Open 510: DUCK DUCK GOOSE- SCUM WIN!!

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Hi guys.

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Policy 3-headed hydra.
VOTE: Treble

(I'll quote this as a hydra later because fery changed it to mobile skin and its glitching my phone.)

I did?? Oops.

hi guys

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Caught up to page 3 now, and I'll comment on the stuffs that already haven't been mentioned.

@NotMara re: Siv in post #27 - how serious is Siv as a player? Last game I played with him, he was trolling all over the place. (Remember the neighbor one?) If he's leaned back player in early game in general, your point doesn't stand.

Also the apology thing is bit stretching. IDK if it's from different PoV or not, but his "apologetic" post felt like "pssh. Soz bro" kinda thing. (Black joke?)

#30 - Ok. I know 2/3 heads in that hydra (possibly the third one as well.) I'm gonna say now that Treble's posts will be FLUFFY AS HELL regardless of alignment. You have been warned, players.

#54 - that's a misrep. Generic's point was that Sakura's jump was opportunistic.

#65 - Eww. Just, Ewww. That post is probably made by Marquis.

#66 - Chainsaw? Wrong term to use there.

ATP (At this point, not Adenine Triphosphate)
TIP looks town for doc joke. (But then' I've never played with scum TIP before.)
NotMara's posts are good but I'm keep getting a feeling that he's trying too hard.
I like VL's entry. (He called me a cool dude )
Generic is being over-defensive. I don't like it.
Sakura is being easily agreeable.
Null on def.

Keep reading.

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I think I caught up to most of the part.

#78 - um aren't those basically the same thing?
#80 - my note says "TIP" and I forgot why I wrote that. Will go back and check.
#81 - null, because scum have no reason to do so either.
#84 - woah. Super-defensive against VL's little points.
#87 - you are actually a even-night tracker.
#89 - wha-
#90 - wha- (yes, this is how exactly I wrote down in my note.)
#96 - "Why me?" = "Fry me!"
-TIP continues to B fluffeh at this point-
#106 - ....
#107 - eww. Fencesitting.
#112 - wait, which one was a pressure vote? Sakura vote or TIP vote?

At this point
VOTE: Generic

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Holy shit there are more posts.

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Nope.

I can agree that defender and task looks town.

@Mutley re: bus - Not likely. Unless they're me.

@NotMara - so iiuc, your read change on generic is based on his experience level?

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Um there were supposed to be a quote at the top of my post re: never played with TIP scum.

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didn't I just point out that Treble is buddying

But I know who posted that so its null.

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@NotMara
Re - generic read : k. I just wanted to clarify.
Re - WMFM : well, I guess that wasn't the best word to represent what I had.
What I tried to say was that he was going "why me? There were plenty of others who did the same thing!", which is scum mindset.

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: Have you checked TIP's games for a scum game? I know my first game, which was also his first game he was scum if you wanna look into it.

Other SoS here. I played a couple of simultaneous games with TiP. He was town in one and scum in the other. It was interesting, watching how reactions to his play in one game reverberated in the other game. My impression from reading another game he played when I was meta-ing someone else was that playing with Nacho (in a hydra with Syryana) had a salutary effect on his game overall.

TiP who do you think is town in this game?

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You forgot that I was part of the NoEffenCllue hydra in Half Baked Curse?

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Also, re your town reads, I wondered if your vote on Sakura Hana was an indication that you kinda trust Treble.

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Oops. I knew you were a woman but I mix up the pronouns now and then.

Nah, there's more reason to it.
Also last time I played with rob, he was a try-hard and he was scum. I haven't had a time (don't lie, GiF. You're just being lazy.) To check his games yet, though. So that bit is gonna stay until check happens.
Re: sakura/generic - well, at that point, that was all there was.

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Elaboration re:rob

I was a traitor in that game (who doesn't know his partner) and I townread him through all that game.

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So I finally got to talk with fery yesterday

We both agree that NotMara, VL, and defender is town.
Fery said she played with scum TIP before and said that this isn't scum TIP.
If we vote mutley, it'll be a PL vote.
We're still settling about generic, because I still think generic is scum while fery thinks he's just a bad town, and Sakura vice versa.

Also, NotMara if you answer my question that would be great.

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@NotMara: the one about Siv. Is he serious player or laid back player in general?

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SoS don't you see that he is totally laid back

Aw hell this is really hard I've like no scumreads and I don't know where to start at all.

And fluffing up the game thread doesn't seem that good an idea.

I wanted to jump on the taskmaster wagon just to have a place to start, eurgh.

SoS, I agree with TIP lol. I tried to be serious for a while but had difficulty engaging into the game so just took it more laid-back for a bit... goddammit failnewmeta.

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VOTE: Siv

This exchange.

Why are you voting Siv, TiP?

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dat wall.

We need to catch up and synch up. Both should happen by sometime tomorrow.

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He's not a super-serious or super-laid back player, he falls somewhere in the middle in the limited experience I have with him (1 game). I do know from games that I've spectated though that he lurks more and contributes less as scum than town, which is some of the reason for my initial concern. This paragraph has nothing to do with a read on SoS, I just wanted to make sure I finally answered this.

Thanks for answering this.

You were suspecting Siv for being not serious enough and my experience dictated that he is quite laid back as town so I just wanted to know about your experience with Siv.

In the other hand, fery said she saved the reads list in draft or something but I can't find it -.-

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Here it is.

Strong Town

VL
NotMara

Leaning Town

Taskmaster
Karnage

Null

Siv - almost put him in the leaning town pile because meta.
Treble
TiP
Muttleydmc - could go with leaning scum

Leaning Scum

generic
d3f3nd3r
Sakura Hana

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No you aren't. It's not a seriatim list.

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Why are you saying there's 2 scum in there. Town TIP wouldn't comment on shit like that

Second sentence is bullshit. Why did you say that?

VOTE: sakura hana

at the end of day 1 regarding treble...

My scumread on you has weakened due to how you were able to see through my trap that caught defender. Still there's something about you making me feel uneasy so

i can't give you any higher than just neutral

atm...

treble votes her today and...

Ah, the number next to his name threw me off. Indeed, there are two scum between those seven in D3f's wagon.

My money is on

Generic and

Treble

. Now where's the 3rd hmm

now he's one of her top scum reads? what happened to move treble out of neutral?

what happened to TIP being scum? you were voting him before switching over to defender.

I forget why I quoted this, but now that I've read to the end of the thread it's oracular.

btw TIP, NKA is just WIFOM imo, i've seen town get lynched because they attacked the person that was being attacked by the person that was NK'd.
That doesn't mean I think Generic is town, but I don't think the NK will tell us much...

What TiP is doing is WIFOM, but NKA is not purely WIFOM IMO. It takes more than a single night to make sense of NKs usually.

Why do you wanna quicklynch him tho, because he said Def was town?

Are you TIP's partner? Serious question.

He didn't say D3f was town. He did a lot more than that. He stayed on d3f's wagon the entire day, then hopped off of it with shitty reasoning. He then, once shown that the reasoning was bad, never hopped back onto the wagon. He also urged me to hammer, despite keeping his own vote off the wagon. He then opens the next day saying scum must have been pushing the wagon, showing only the final wagon. Yeah - I'll tell you what scum pushed the wagon - TIP. He distanced himself from it late by unvoting to keep his name off it while STILL pushing it. This is like Scum 101.

Also, #653 reeks of inside information. Pulls up an old and obscure post to try to make a case on a player that a lot of people had earlier suspicions on based entirely off WIFOM reasoning of a choice of NK.

This is so, so obvious. If TIP isn't lynched this day and he flips scum (or worse...wins), I'm raging at you all. You have been warned.

~Rob

I'll review these events to be sure they match your presentation, but this is a pretty coherent case.

Town: NotMara.
Leaning Town: Karnage, Siv
Leaning Scum: TIP, Treble
Scum: Generic.

Sound of silence and mutley get a null, SoS for not much posting and mutley because idk how to read him.

Earlier you said you wondered where the third scum is. And now you have the third as scummier than the two you called out first. Why is this?

I already said that 1 flip made me change my read.

I hope you explain why before I get to the end of the thread.

This flip flopping on NotMara is bugging me. Not to mention the "Im the only conf town" shit

VOTE: TheIrishPope

This vote seems disconnected from what is going on in the thread at this point. The exchange starting at 710 and continuing through 713 apparently wasn't even a speed bump.

Interesting, the only guy who defended the mislynch is now getting mislynched.

Your defense was pretty hardcore. That's not actually a town point unless you have godlike townreading skills.

You're always paranoid about me, ever since i drew scum like 50 times in a row on IRC mafia.

TP is in your scumpile. And in fact by post 755 you are arguing for scum-TIP again.

@TiP that self-vote was hella sketchy looking.

VOTE: Sakura Hana

Please explain your contradictory stance re TiP.

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659 convinced me.

Then i read Siv's post... that really sounded odd for someone like TIP to not take VL's latest scumread if he was really going after that.

Then why did you excuse his scum-read of you with something to the effect that "you're always paranoid" in that post?

why is my second sentence bullshit

Explain why that is something that town-TiP wouldn't say.

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Also i called out Generic and Treble, Generic is the scummier of the 3, so what do you mean with that on your quote of my 668?

So you did. Thanks.

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659 convinced me.

Then i read Siv's post... that really sounded odd for someone like TIP to not take VL's latest scumread if he was really going after that.

Then why did you excuse his scum-read of you with something to the effect that "you're always paranoid" in that post?

I do regret saying that, it is true he's always paranoid about me there, but it sounded like a horrible AtE and i don't like resorting to such tactics, so I regret saying that.

I still think he's most likely scum.

That's not why it looks scummy.

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Why should I as apparently it's bull shit?

Still town TIP would vote someone or something no reason. He would do any sort of analysis or comments. Or he'd highlight himself and say there's scum there

The above is actual analysis.

Who are you voting?

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I hope you didn't think self voting would work on me a second time. :/

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Lost track of this game. Will catch up in the morning and see what the other head thinks.

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I'm caught up. I want to think about Task's question about no-lynch and discuss it en-hydra.

I'm surprised no one else really has an opinion on that. generic, you gave it a passing nod, but I can't tell if you like or dislike the idea.

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Hello my dears

I'm now out of v/la and so I'm gonna be catching up.

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@Gen

Here it is.

Strong Town

VL
NotMara

Leaning Town

Taskmaster
Karnage

Null

Siv - almost put him in the leaning town pile because meta.
Treble
TiP
Muttleydmc - could go with leaning scum

Leaning Scum

generic
d3f3nd3r
Sakura Hana

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Response to 940

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After the Sakura vs gen, I'm not really seeing gen scum.
What's the case on him?

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This seems more scum generic to me. Although I don't know his town game. He is very much like this as scum too, very analyitical etc

thats bullshit

i've seen his scumgame and its nothing like this

Can I have a link to this said game?

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I really feel like voting mutley.

Mutley is bleeding town right now with that MyLo paranoia.

Also
@Mutley: if that "1v1" thing that Sakura does means tunneling, she does that as town too.
Also, weren't you reading siv as scum when generic voted siv?

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Die scum die

VOTE: siv

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I still have my pgo shot left. I hope y'all do too.

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Tbh I hammered so no lynch doesn't happen, because it will end up us wasting pgo time to time via paranoia.

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Yeah I didn't.
It was all the reaction test. Treble's reaction just sucked though.

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Hope he is. Because I hammered just to stop his scummy plan.

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Just because I hammered, that doesn't mean I'm scum
I think it's siv and task actually.

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Maaaybe treble.