Open 533: Pick Your Poison - The End

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vote niccage

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I don't think YKV's opening post is scummy but it is anti-town. I don't really want to vote on something that's intentionally WIFOM and might not have anything to do with anything.

Why even call it out if you're not going to vote on it? Even if you aren't voting for it, why not RVS?

So, guys

I claim IC.

Discuss.

If this is for real, prove it. If it's fake, it's dumb.

I counter claim IC

See above.

Niccage, did you at all consider that (admittedly probably joke) claims when you made that vote?

Baldeagle, I don't see yellow's opening post as scummy.

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Venrob, you voted baldeagle for serious voting. My vote was serious as well. Am I scum too? Also, "what reasons" is a pretty reasonable response to a vote "for reasons".

Notscience, i'd have given town Vig, JK, and cop if I was scum. Vig can end up hurting town (and usually does). JK has info that can mean someone is scum or NK target and that can be a headache. Tracker makes you worry when you kill. 1 shot cop is basically the same as IC if they hit town except that they have to actually get their results out and it could confirm two if a claim goes uncountered. Actually. I changed my mind. IC over cop.

I don't have a problem with baldeagle getting the role wrong. I personally didn't look at them when I answered.

Still haven't read past Page 2. Sorry.

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I will just say it now but that's twice that notscience has been thinking the same thing as me. First time was with the question about what people would pick, though I didn't post that because I figured it would have too much WIFOM to actually use for scumhunting down the road. Notscience = town.

^bad logic. Matching opinions doesn't equal town. However, this post makes you more likely town so there's that.

Here's another question-

When forced to claim, do you claim something you know is in the game to out the PR (tracker or JK) or do you claim those not in the game?

^how does this post help town more than scum?

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What if someone is scum for the first time and worried about fakeclaiming properly? An answer to that question could help them a ton.

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Eh. I don't really know the people in this game but a few seem newbish. Either way, it's more likely to help scum than town. Sure, it starts discussion. But not alignment telling discussion or anything that really progresses us. I don't think it makes you scum though. Just, it was a bad idea to bring it up.

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Yeah I never really finished catching up. Left off at Hermy's ISOs which kinda look townish.

Lol oh ok Hermy, that's cute. You and BE should hang out.
Bottom line is you guys are just making up stuff to justify voting me.

VOTE: Hermy

^another clear OMGUS vote...

Yellow, my opinion is that a one-shot role should be used N1 to be sure they don't die before they get the opportunity and then claim results Day 2 so the info isn't lost if they die and they are essentially VT at that point so it's not the end of the world if they are outted.

Charizard, scum don't need to fish for what roles are in the game. However, they don't know who got those roles so they'd sure as hell love to know who the power roles are, so yes rolefishing can still happen in this game.

Hot cheetos is Elli and who by the way?

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I agree.

Everyone, top 3 scum and top 3 townpicks. go.

Nic, beast, yellow
Notscience, bk, baldeagle

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Actually mnem for the third scum over yellow

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Nic, beast

Why?

Nic was initially his opening post but I didn't like his response to pressure and I really don't like that after responding poorly he disappeared. And someone mentioned he is posting elsewhere. I haven't checked but if that's true it confirms my suspicions.

Beast is strong gut.

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unvote, vote beastcharizard

Nic, you use your shot tonight and tell us your result tomorrow. If you don't use your shot, you are helping scum.

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Unvote, Vote Ban

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Nic, what does it hurt to try?

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Ok so yellow is confirmed town unless nic flips scum at some point.

Nic is not an option for a lynch today. Even if you think he's scum, wait. I won't go into why.

I still have relatively strong town reads on notscience, BK, and venrob.

I lean town on hermy and hot cheetos.

That leaves beast, yes, and mnem. I probably have to rethink some of my town reads. But beast is still the lynch I prefer today.

Vote BeastCharizard

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Has anyone actually said why hot cheetos is scum yet?

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Fail...

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Went back to see what happened to the beastcharizard wagon from yesterday. Mnem fell of the face of the earth. I'm still voting there. And baldeagle died. Thought the wagon was bigger than that. Guess not. Hmmmm

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Eh.

Lynching Nic without a massclaim is dumb. And I'm not so sure massclaim is beneficial right now.

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You do realize if Nic is town and scum aren't dumbass gamblers, massclaim confirms him AND yellow, right? Also, I should make it clear I said now isn't the best time for massclaim. I mean when we eventually get to that point.

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I hope I trust the right person... still good job.

VOTE: NicCage

So he is lying then.

Wait, why is he lying?

There's no guarantee we have a JK. Even if we did, there is logic that would say don't target Nic as JK.

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I'd argue a JK should target Yellow if Nic were to flip town.

What I'm saying is that a massclaim, let's say tomorrow, could potentially clear Nic so why waste a lynch on someone who could be confirmed town tomorrow or the next day? There are three scum. Why does Nic have to be lynched first if he is scum?

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Also, we risk losing two more and having 3 scum in LYLO if Nic flips town just as much as we risk that by lynching anyone else. Why are you assuming Nic will flip scum?

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No. We are not policy lynching.

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Nic is a MUCH better option than Yellow. I don't see why Yellow is worthy of a policy lynch to begin with. But then there's the fact that Yellow can't be scum unless Nic is. So if we lynch Yellow and he flips town, that confirms nothing. If we lynch Nic and he flips town, that confirms Yellow as town. There is literally no reason to lynch Yellow before Nic. Like it's literally not an option and will cost us the game if he is town.

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Egg where do you get the idea that this is a policy lynch? We're not lynching him for reasons beyond his game-play and involvement therein.

You guys were saying either he's scum or he's town who is gonna fuck up LYLO. The definition of a policy lynch is lynching someone while accepting that they might be town because their town play could be detrimental to the town. I fail to see the difference.

As for optimal play: yeah, let's lynch someone who is confirmed town unless one specific player (Nic) is scum without that player's flip. Again, I fail to see how that makes any sense at all.

Look. I'm against a policy lynch on Day 2 after a Day 1 mislynch. So the only way Yellow is an option is if we think he is scum. The only way he can be scum is if Nic is also scum. A Yellow flip gives no info on Nic. A Nic town flip clears Yellow. If we go with the conspiracy theory that Nic and Yellow are both scum, we are lynching Nic first. Even that I don't want to do unless we get four PR claims because if we get three, that clears Nic and Yellow 100%.

Fuck it. If Nic or Yellow is getting lynched today, i'd rather just massclaim right now. So there's my stance. We either massclaim or we leave Nic and Yellow alone today.

Fuck this town is stupid. And I thought notscience at least had potential. Guess I was wrong there.

This is ridiculous.

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^sorry if that came off dickish. Bad mood. Not game related.

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Skimmed since my last post.

Hot Cheetos, I figured they were joke claims but I wouldn't be shocked to see a real IC claim it early and there's no reason to claim it without proving it. I disagree with any idea to claim it early, but if you're doing it, you're doing it to start the game as confirmed town and not proving it destroys that completely.

Also, good to see someone's head screwed on tight. I know I asked this already, but why are people seeing Hot Cheetos as scum?

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Hermy, your response to 2 isn't really acceptable. Addressing something doesn't stop you from saying other things. That said, if it's not intentionally being used as an excuse to coast, it's not scummy. Guys, Hermy is too frustrated by this for it to be an attempt to coast.

Also, where's mnem?

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I'm already on the lead wagon. The one that Banaki was lynched in favor of yesterday. And Banaki was town. And so was one of the leader's of the BeastCharizard wagon who died at night. I won't switch unless there is no choice. Right now, there's still hope for lynching scum.

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Flipping town doesn't mean you know everything.

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Nic, the frustration (brick wall comments) looks too genuine to be faked. That shows that Hermy believes what she is saying. That means it's not fake and defending the "newbie tell" isn't a strategically used excuse to coast. Therefore, the case on Hermy is inaccurate.

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Who

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L-1 sooner rather than later is perfectly reasonable. I just don't agree with your reads.

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Basically what makes you so special that I should shift my vote to match yours rather than the other way around?

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I don't think it's fair to commit to a vote for tomorrow. However, if the beastcharizard lynch can't happen, I'm absolutely willing to vote for notscience instead.

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It's basically an even split from what I can tell. And the only thing I see against notscience is his dumb policy lynch push that I can see him doing as either alignment.

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I see all of that as poor play that can come from either alignment. But yes, I do lean town on Hermy.

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Strong gut. The counterwagon becoming a mislynch. The baldeagle NK. And I'll admit to some PoE because I have so many town reads.

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Egg give me an update please, I'm a little behind. You're like my only town read.

I think all you missed was yellow trying to get me to switch to notscience and me trying to get him to switch to beastcharizard instead.

Nic I mean the fact that we almost lynched beastcharizard and the guy we lynched instead flipped town. And the fact that baldeagle was one of the main people pushing beastcharizard and is now dead.

You misread on notscience. I would much rather lynch beastcharizard but if it came down to notscience or no lynch, I'll take the lynch any day so that's why i'd be willing to switch if I had to.

The massclaim is something I only wanted if we were being dumb enough to lynch you or yellow.

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Well I should have done so already but I'm looking at that lynching wagon and either you (Nic) are scum which I haven't ruled out or I'm wrong about either Hermy or Notscience. And it's entirely possible that two of these three are scum.

And as I look at it, that first wagon on you (still Nic) shows that you or Hermy is probably scum because Yellow is only scum if you are, I know I'm town, baldeagle was town, and ban was town. So that only leaves hermy as possible scum on that wagon.

As for the NK, why wouldn't scum kill someone who looked town and almost got them lynched? And don't give me "because that's too obvious" if you don't think anyone should be looking at NKs to begin with. I don't think it's nearly as weak as you are saying.

I did learn something though. There's scum in Nic/Hermy. Lol that's gonna look so bad right after Notscience said I'm scum with Hermy but I want the opinion out there if I'm not alive tomorrow because wagon analysis can be strong as fuck and I know there is at least one player in this game who knows that.

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Nic, I disagree. I just highlighted the fact that baldeagle looked town and was one of the driving forces behind the beastcharizard wagon so it makes perfect sense that beastcharizard would want him dead as scum. Your response is there's no evidence. If that's not evidence, what the hell is? It's one thing if you look over it, try to see where I'm coming from, and disagree. I'd respect that. But you are just shooting it down for no reason.

As for connections, no. I don't need connections to call people scum. Nobody has flipped scum yet. I still think lynching you is off the table because of your claim. Notscience and Hermy have looked town to me. I just might have to admit I was wrong. Beastcharizard is my consistant scum read who I am confident is scum. I want to lynch him today and figure out the rest tomorrow when we have more info.

Yellow, you may have a point there. I also really don't like notscience's immediate attempt to discredit. However, these relational tells are useless without an initial scum flip.

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unvote, vote notscience

L-1. Hopefully it's scum.

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unvote, vote YES YES YES

Would loooove to see this happen instead of notscience.

SPEEDWAGON GOGOGO!

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Irrelevant but I think I have more experience than Nacho.

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Reading. 693, venrob could be scum if notscience is scum. You sound like you want notscience and hot cheetos both dead ASAP. Notscience was just at L-1 and still isn't far off. Yet you are looking for a wagon on Hot Cheetos. So what is steering you off of notscience? Also shut the fuck up about Yellow. Seriously. Notscience was being dumb and no one is listening anymore so just drop it.

Fuck. 704 is the dumbest post this site has ever seen. We should have policy lynched Venrob Day 1.

Why does every attempted wagon stall except notscience? Gee, I wonder who the scum want dead...

Maybe we should just lynch Hermy........

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Lol...

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unvote, vote Hermy

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This is the kind of thing that steered me away from this wagon earlier. It's not IIoA if it's implying very strongly that two people are scum.

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Lol I thought yellow was joking about no deadline extenstion because scum complained. If not, horrible logic.

Yellow, that still stands. I'll vote notscience if needed to avoid no lynch.

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Phd I like your original read on beastcharizard. Can you expand on your Venrob scum read? I have him as town.

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Nic, I'm not 100% sold on you being town. However, lynching you when there are three scum and you can still be confirmed if you are town is just dumb. I made that perfectly clear and you trying to paint it as being wishy washy is just horrible. If you can't see how a dumb town trying to lynch you anyway should at least massclaim if they can't be talked out of it, I have no help for you. The only thing I can say at that point is there are resources to help you learn the game (Newbie queue, MD. Avoid the wiki though).

Also, I've had beast as scum for a while but it's mostly a gut read and I know gut never convinces anyone. I used my vote and made my read clear but I wasn't going to make up a bad case or anything. I never "took it back".

As for notscience, again, this is basic and you can learn it in newbie games. Lynching a town read is always better than no lynching because you could be wrong first of all. Second of all, no lynch is just another free day for scum. They make their NK which is a guaranteed dead town (barring a JK stopping the kill if we have one) and we are pretty much right where we were the day before anyway, just with one less town player (probably). I'm pretty sure notscience is just dumb town but he does kinda look bad in VCA and it's possible I'm wrong. Hell, if we no lynch, there's still a chance he gets lynched tomorrow and if he's town, we waste two days on him. So it should be common sense to lynch him over no lynch. Obviously, a lynch on beast or Yes or even mnem's slot would be better in my opinion but if five people don't agree with me, it can't happen.

As for the bana wagon being "scum driven", it's pure statistics. I've played about 200 games where town was lynched Day 1. I've seen the wagon scum-free twice. So there is a roughly 1% chance that everyone on the wagon was town.

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I'd love to compromise on any wagon that ALL of the following people are part of:
Me
ETL
Hot Cheetos
Notscience
Yellow
Nic

Do the six of us have one scum read we can agree on?

The reason I ask is that it makes it harder for scum to influence the lynch if we do it that way. I'd love a beast lynch. I'd be fine with Yes. I'm good with Hermy.

I dunno. I'm perfectly happy with any of those if we can get that group of six to agree.

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Beast, I have venrob as town but he hasn't done a whole lot and people have him as scum. I don't like the idea of a lynch on him and I don't care where he votes. Also don't like his scum reads. PhD is a tough one because he just replaced mnem who gave us very little. The reason I'm not voting you is because deadline is like 2 days away and your wagon never got any support. I'm sure you are scum but that lynch is gonna be tough to make happen.

Yellow, who is voting Hermy for inactivity?

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We should definitely make a Hermy lynch happen.

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It's Hermy's responsibility to claim before deadline if needed.

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Then the Mod needs to decide whether or not to replace Hermy ASAP. But again, that's on the Mod, not us. And if the scum team happens to be Nic/Yellow/Hermy, we need the Hermy lynch today and can't settle on a townie. Yes, we need a claim. But we can't let that be an excuse for Hermy or a replacement.

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^good choices.

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I'd actually prefer a counterclaim if we have a JK. Method of claiming is fine. Existence of JK makes sense. I say Hermy is town if uncountered.

Unvote

Can we try Beast or Yes? Or are we stuck with notscience? (All of this barring a counterclaim)

Preview edit: it was hypothetical. Not really thought out. Just a "what if" I thought of.

Vote YES YES YES

Preview edit again: low phone battery. Will try reading but no promises.

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unvote, vote hermy

if we haven't lynched already.

Obviously, if hermy flips JK, YES should be quicklynched tomorrow no excuses.

Preview edit: lol might be overkill. Probably is.

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Well my process of elimination gives me beast and phd. But let me go back to my VCA and add in the notscience wagon and the Hermy lynch and look everything over knowing Hermy was scum and see what I come up with keeping an open mind about my town reads probably being wrong.

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Ok, I'm looking back at my original post and I had come up with at least one of Hermy/nic/notscience scum. So the next step would naturally be finding out if there is a connection between hermy and any of these two. However, i'd rather take out Nic's buddy first if he is scum because he is still potentially confirmable as town. Notscience is also likely town because he was almost lynched instead of Hermy.

Based on the Nic wagon, Nic is actually likely town. Hermy was the second vote and Nic got to L-2. Not a likely bus. If that's true, Yellow is also likely town obviously.

There's still a good chance of another scum on the Ban lynch too. Not as good a chance as there was of having just one, but still a chance. If notscience and nic are both town, that means I'm wrong on hot cheetos or venrob.

Look at vote count 2.3 if you guys get a chance. Hermy was caught saying what she'd do as scum with the whole claiming situation. Remember how she was preaching notscience/nic scum team for voting together? That dumb yellow wagon sprung up. Venrob voted Nic. Hermy followed. Could she have been following her buddy? Although you could say the same about the very next vote count with Hermy/ETL on notscience.... hell, both could be true. Venrob eventually switches to notscience. It seems weird for all three scum to be on one wagon but I remember having the feeling the scum reeeeeaaaalllllllly wanted notscience dead soooooo..... maybe?

Phd eventually jumped on notscience too. That could be opportunistic scum. I dunno. All three on the wagon seems far-fetched but maybe it isn't. Either way, I'm getting very confident that notscience is town here.

I'm also taking note of the mini Hermy wagon while Notscience is at L-1. Nic is there. More town points.

One of ETL/Hot cheetos/Yellow has to be scum too. Off the Hermy lynch and I don't know about both scum bussing when they could have gotten away with lurking until deadline. Wait. Actually. Scratch that because Hermy was counterclaimed. There's a good chance of a bus in PhD/Venrob/Beast.

Y'know, I'm kinda thinking Venrob. And maybe Beast or ETL? Or PhD? I dunno. Venrob is looking like a prime candidate for buddy number one though. Let me ISO him and Hermy for their interactions.

As I'm on this double ISO (seeing zero interaction by the way) Nicscum looks near impossible. Hermy was pretty tunneled. Also, does anyone know if Hermy tosses soft jabs at scumbuddies to distance? Because if she's the type to call her buddies town or ignore them, PhD becomes town when she does her ISOs. If she's more the soft jab type, PhD is a likely buddy.

First interaction between these two is a soft jab from Hermy regarding Venrob's wanting to be scum. Now I really need that meta answer lol.

If Venrob is scum, Hot Cheetos is town for being Venrob's "shit I need to do something here's a case and vote".

Yeah I like a Hermy/Venrob team with either PhD or ETL.

Vote Venrob

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Flipping town doesn't mean you know everything.

Well my process of elimination gives me beast and phd.

What kind of elimination process are you referring to?

Before my last post, it went something like this:
-No Nic because he is still confirmable
-no you for being Nic's claimed town result
-notscience town for general play + counterwagon
-Hot Cheetos town for general play
-ETL looked town and so did BK
-I had Venrob as town for saying he wanted to be scum.

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Ignore the first quote. Not sure where it came from. My phone does that sometimes. Might do it with this post too.

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That vote count reminded me that PhD has consistantly scumread Venrob and could have easily pushed another scum read today so the two of them as scum doesn't make much sense.

Venrob/ETL team?

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I don't like your logic for cleareing beast. Scum will throw bad accusarions at their buddies to distance if they don't want to get them lynched. I'm not saying that's what happened, but it's possible and I wouldn't clear him for doing something that I could see scum doing.

Also the Venrob point is off because there's no reason to kill a possible PR who could be jailkept over a known JK. YES was the obv kill choice regardless of who is scum. However, the fact that Venrob was willing to throw your name out as a possible power role is something scum don't tend to do because it's too risky so maybe I'm wrong on him...

On ETL, you raise a decent point but it's not the point you think it is. he may have shown knowledge that we had a JK.

Also, we don't need to decide on two scum today. We should lynch the scummiest player who makes sense as scum with Hermy and worry about the third scum after we catch the second. I'm kind of tempted to go with ETL instead of Venrob though...

Preview edit: if you are trying to make a case that I switched to Hermy as Hermy's buddy, the only thing that makes sense is if you think I was trying to throw off that connection by bussing. However, it would make no sense to do that when lynching notscience would have been easy and put us in LYLO with 3 scum still alive. It would be a dumb switch to make. The real reason is that notscience looked town and scum wanted him dead probably for that exact reason so I was looking for a compromise lynch that the towniest players could agree on and Hermy was it.

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If beast was scum with hermy and thought she was rolefishing and it was obvious, I could see him jumping on it just because someone is going to anyway so why not get towncred. I know when I'm scum, if my buddies are scumming it up, I'll jump all over them. I don't know if beast is that way or not but its possible that he is. Either way, it's a dumb argument to have right now because you are townreading him and I'm not voting him. I probably shouldn't have even said anything but I saw flawed logic...

And this is the first I've played with BK and didn't get much exposure here but nothing stood out that made me think he was that good of a player. Why do you ask?

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Guess Yes Yes Yes said he jailed HC day one because Nacho scum would make the night kill. Can anyone confirm if this is accurate?

Eh. Could go either way really. It's mostly non-info. All we know if Hot Cheetos didn't make the scum kill unless a vig shot baldeagle. It's too much of an "if" and he could still be scum if one of the other two scum made the kill.

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Meh. It's kinda irrelevant right now. I'm sure if we had one, they'd have claimed the N1 kill at the beginning of Day 2 or immediately after the JK claims when Hot Cheetos would be confirmed as scum or the N1 scum target.

My point was that we didn't really get any info from the JK outside of being able to counterclaim Hermy.

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My bad. Was thinking they were one-shot if they were out there. Meh whatever. Probably another one of those discussions that shouldn't be had.

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If you say ETL is convinced there is jailor we can say the same about NC too.

Show me where. Do you mean his whole "it's pointless to investigate?"

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There's also a 78% chance we have a vig. Why direct a JK over a vig?

Also:

I mean to say that

the JK should

target YKV regardless, but have you taken a look at my post? Have you ISO'd YKV + Nic like I suggested?

Also, if Nic flips town, we have a confirmed townie in YKV, which means we will easily find the others. I think you are underestimating the power of PoE.

^I don't see any kind of "if there is one" or anything. So this is kind of what I meant. "The JK".

"The"

As in... there is one.

I mean. I've never been a fan of these kinds of tells but how else could that have possibly be meant?

Like. That's the kind of thing you hear in an open game. I don't see you talking about "the vig" or "the tracker" or "the IC". Cop is kinda different because someone claimed it. But this looks like you knew we had a JK and forgot that wasn't revealed yet.

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Yeah I'm actually leaning that way too now. Should have switched already.

unvote, vote ETL

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Ok. My mistake. Had your ISO up, not context. Still though. VCA gave three choices and Venrob has so many little town tells it's just hard to keep voting him and be confident in it.

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Off the top of my head wanting to be scum and telling us he was PR-reading Yellow. I'm not saying it's "good play" or anything, but the first would come off very fake if it was and the second I think he'd keep to himself/the QT.

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Phd, when you say town "would" never point out a PR, you mean they "should" never do it. Scum shouldn't do it either. Not in thread at least. It's all about intent and what he was thinking when he did it. And he was going all "guys don't lynch him" and no one was listening so he was like "fuck it. I think he's PR". The only way I see it as a scum move is if Yellow is scum too. But Yellow can't be scum unless Nic is so a Yellow/Venrob team is impossible. That's why it's a town tell. The only thing is I've learned to trust VCA over my reads most of the time and VCA says scum is two of Venrob/PhD/ETL. VCA yesterday said at least one of Nic/Notscience/Hermy. I had Hermy as town until VCA. Obviously we know what was right between reads and VCA. That's why I'm conflicted on Venrob and would rather lynch ETL.

Lol at scum claim in 969. But on a serious note, notscience, why PhD over ETL?

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I'm town and anyone pushing for my lynch is fuckin suspect, end of story.

Oh. This changes everything

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PhD, my reasons for voting ETL for VCA and interactions with dead scum. To add to that would be faking a case because his play has looked solidly town. Thing is, good scum fake solid town games all the time. Also, show me how I'm wrong on Venrob. I'm all ears.

Nic, literally the only thing I remember about that is that people were calling ETL scum for directing power roles which isn't scummy so I ignored it.

PhD, what is the scum benefit for pointing out a possible PR in thread? Also, what about my thought process on this is flawed? And if you think he was trying to give Yellowscum the idea to fakeclaim a power role, you're just flat out wrong because Venrob/Yellow is an impossible team.

I have no problem with Notscience's bloc. He's town. Yellow is town. Nic is town for now. Cheetos is probably town. There's no reason for the four of them NOT to work together to weed out the last two scum. I also agree with Notscience on which three players should be on the table for discussion. What I do find suspect is ETL trying to break it up.

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Remind me where someone posted a solid case on him that wasn't just lack of content.

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But why is he scum?

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That or a case against him. Or a wagon on ETL or PhD

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Venrob, you said in that ISO that if Hot Cheetos is scum, the roles he thinks scum should have picked (Vig, IC, Tracker) are the roles in the game. YES was JK. Either you were wrong or Hot Cheetos is town (so you're still wrong). Why continue pushing this at that point? Also, realizing how many people are townreading Hot Cheetos, why not accept that he won't be lynched today and try finding his buddy if you still think he is scum? Or do you still believe it's Nic or Notscience?

Also, Nic still being alive isn't a huge deal. N1 I can see scum not wanting their kill stopped. N2, they went after the power role who counterclaimed a scum leading to their lynch. It makes perfect sense that Nic would still be alive as a power role whose ability is already used up.

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It's not like Nic could be used as a wifomlynch

Exactly.

But why tell the scum that?

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See the last part of Post 1023. N1 to avoid losing their kill to the JK. N2 to kill the PR who countered their buddy instead of the scummy claimed PR.

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Still makes no sense. Like why can't it be ETL/PhD even if you are town? Why does Hot Cheetos have to be scum? Because Yellow says so and because you say you are town? Even if you are town, it's possible (and statistically still likely) that you are both wrong.

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Oh this game is getting easier. How about all the scum claim and everyone else tell us you are town.

ETL, Hot Cheetos is one of my strong town reads. That and I'm trying to figure out if Venrob genuinely suspects him or not.

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Tonight's NK doesn't matter. There's literally no reason to discuss it.

Yellow, can you give me a quick mini case on Hot Cheetos? Explain it to me like I'm five.

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Ok so the case on Venrob is more PoE than lack of content. Why not PhD if you have ETL as town? I still see some towniness in Venrob.

Yellow, that's seriously like the worst case ever.

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Are you being intentionally dense?

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Quotes are annoying on my phone but it should be obvious what I'm looking at.

He clearly stated that "lack of content" isn't the case on Venrob. Process of elimination is. The reason it's worded like that is because that's how I worded the question. It may even factor in for him as a weak tell that only matters because of the small lynch pool he sees for today. If you can't see that, you don't really belong in this game.

If he was protecting anyone there, it was Notscience, not Hermy. He's throwing out names left and right when he could have easily just hammered Notscience if he wanted Hermy safe. He did have that opportunity at one point if I remember correctly and instead tried to start a wagon on YES.

I have no clue on the OMGUS accusation. I don't feel like looking for the "timeline" because OMGUS isn't usually a strong tell anyway. I've found that some players naturally suspect players who suspect them because they know that the logic being used against them is wrong so it's easy to find flaws and assume it's intentional. I personally have always had trouble reading people who suspect me for example.

As for it applying to me, really? Your first point is about pushing a Venrob lynch for lack of content. I've been pushing for a stronger case than that for quite some time now. What I see that could make him scum is VCA or his tunneling on people who are widely considered town (although that could also be viewed as a town tell). He's actually not my preferred lynch though. I like a lynch on ETL or PhD over Venrob. If your second point is my town read on Hermy until I VCA'd, I've already addressed that. See my ISO. And the OMGUS thing isn't even worth humoring.

Then the fact that you are trying to use the same points to connect a team between Hot Cheetos and myself...just lol. Yeah. If you can find me a few examples of scum committing the exact same tells as their buddies, you let me know. Oh and make sure it's experienced players in that example.

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I also want to point out that I don't think ETL would bus Venrob at this point. It's probably ETL/PhD or Beast is still scum.

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unvote, vote PhD

cuz there's no support for an ETL lynch and that slot looked town to me before VCA and PhD makes just as much sense as scum anyway.

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i liked your other avi better.

I vote the person whom I think is the scummiest. It wasn't in compromise territory yet so I am going to try to get my strongest scum read lynched.

It kinda was. That's why the Hermy wagon started to begin with.

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I kinda wanna hear from notscience. I don't have a clue who he wants lynched. Everyone keeps looking town to me as soon as I vote them.

I kinda still like Beast for scum, but VCA really made me think we should lynch in Venrob/ETL/

PhD

Antihero.

I've been thinking more and more lately that maybe there is only one scum in that trio because none of the pairs really make sense to me. I mean maybe Antihero/Venrob but.....I don't know...

I need to think.

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He was scumming it up pretty hard but VCA is like my manual to catching scum. I was townreading Hermy until I VCA'd.

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Wait. Demon Core? That was an Antihero alt? Or a Bae or Nacho alt?

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unvote, vote Beast

I had him as scum earlier and fuck yes I'll sheep Demon Core.

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I think you're the only one who said Beast was in the townbloc.

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I'm home for the weekend. I'll either catch up in pieces throughout the day or do it all before bed tonight.

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ETL's first post of the day gives me bad vibes. Maybe it's just the ol' cheerleading tell nagging me but it just feels off. And no new opinions or anything. Even if he wants to go after someone who questioned Antihero, nothing suggests he's about to follow up on it. It looks like a throwaway question.

Also not sure why Nic voted Hot Cheetos but I'm sure that's been discussed by now.

What i'd love to do is double ISO Hermy and Beast and look at their lynches but don't expect me to have the time to be an overachiever.

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Venrob's 1201 is BS. Yellow was killed for being cleared by Nic, not for suspecting Hot Cheetos. With only one scum left, yellow was going to be confirmed town today because he could only be scum with Nic and there's no "scum with" anymore.

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no, you lost it when you defended scum and insisted he be in the town bloc yesterday

^this was directed at Notscience saying he's town. Do you remember Hermy vs Notscience? The Notscience wagon was derailed in favor of a Hermy lynch. Hermy flipped scum.

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Hmm. Venrob didn't have time to post. Notscience voted him. He decided to post. Then WTF is this self ISO BS?

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I'm also VT. So that clears Nic and Notscience (only one left to claim).

Also caught up and still leaning ETL or Venrob as the last scum. And if I have time I'll do work tonight.

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Venrob, nic and Notscience are confirmed town.

Also, your case on me is that you have a null read, correct?

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Sweet.

I was about to be pissed at ETL lol.

Notscience, sorry for trying to make scum think you were the IC and not me.

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Yeah I actually really enjoyed this game towards the end.

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Under the radar.