In post 1956, Mathdino wrote:I'm not perfect. Is that what you want? Who would you have preferred I vote back then?
I have no idea what to say to this
In post 1956, Mathdino wrote:I'm not perfect. Is that what you want? Who would you have preferred I vote back then?
In post 1954, Mathdino wrote:geurts has rolefished under the guise of a newbtown persona before?
In post 1954, Mathdino wrote:What are your thoughts on the Newbie case other than just thinking I'm scum?
In post 1960, Mathdino wrote:And I townread [wgeurts] that game because I assumed he was being newbtown going by his meta.
In post 1960, Mathdino wrote:You're the one that voted Wisdom for trying to draw associatives.
In post 627, Mathdino wrote:It's because he's talking about claiming and information in a "I'm scum and I want moar info" type way.
That's just wgeurts.
He needs to work on not being so claimhappy but that's not a scumtell for him.
Unless you saw something else. ISO him and see what you find?
In post 1979, Mathdino wrote:You've never answered me on this question and I really do want to know this: Who would you have had me vote back then? A lurker? Someone on V/LA? Wisdom, one of the most active players before he'd done anything off?
In post 1979, Mathdino wrote:I didn't want to make the same mistake I did here
In post 1981, Mathdino wrote:It's a rhetorical question that you choose to not answer in favour of tunneling, essentially.
In post 1981, Mathdino wrote:Brother, you're slamming me for having suspicions that were shared by a whole lot of people that were built on very legitimate reasons. If you were there, would you really have defended what wgeurts was doing?
In post 1985, Mathdino wrote:Edit: A question that you're throwing out as a result of tunneling. Who would town-me, reasonable-me, me-that-uses-perfect-logic vote?
In post 1985, Mathdino wrote:Edit2: Right. I goaded him into asking me if I was a mason. Makes sense.
In post 1985, Mathdino wrote:Who I choose to meta is pretty much determined by the surety of my reads
In post 1985, Mathdino wrote:Why do you find it so odd that I didn't meta wgeurts
In post 1985, Mathdino wrote:Have you actually considered my Newbie case?
In post 1990, Mathdino wrote:k. so.
Case 1: I'm town and tunneling wgeurts. I don't expect wgeurts to say 'yes' to the mason-fishing question (it was rhetorical) because I think he's scum and lying.
Case 2: I'm scum and jumping on wgeurts. I don't expect wgeurts to say 'yes' to the mason-fishing question because why would town try to do that?
It was a rhetorical question that he was going to answer 'no' to either way.
In post 1991, borkjerfkin wrote:That is a burden of proof that you haven't even come close to meeting.
In post 1995, Mathdino wrote:Newbie was the first person to write a case and provide a ton of reasons on why Wisdom was scum. TTH's vote was explicitly a gutread. Her later tunneling didn't come until after Newbie.
In post 260, TellTaleHeart wrote:Well, this sounds familiar. I wonder where I heard it before...
Just in case anyone's interested, this general trend of posting continues right up to the last few Wisdom posts, especially the one categorizing wgeurt's self-vote as some kind of grey-area "overreaction." There's a lot of wishy-washy-ness (I know that's not a word, but it's too late at night for me to care) on wgeurts when he's the clear favorite wagon today. I think he's not wanting to close off the possibility of joining the wagon but at the same time he doesn't want to look overeager.
In post 267, Mathdino wrote:Uh, not sure if you caught this, but I think about 4 people asked him to give his reads and explain who he thought was scum... What, did you expect him to FoS you and Victor with a tr-tr-trembling...voice?
I don't like this. I see nothing between your last post 256and the above that would tip your read on wgeurts from suspicious to lynchworthy.
The pressure getting to you, Wisdom? 2 people suspect you for wishiwashiness and you cave in and hop on the wagon?
I still think wgeurts is scum. But regardless of his alignment, I'm seeing some merit inFoSing: Wisdom.
mod edit: fixed link.
In post 2000, acryon wrote:Bork, I know you said that he is scum, but how confident would you say you are on it at this point, if you had to pick a percentage?
In post 2012, Mathdino wrote:bork, can you unvote like now? I am not going to lose this game because someone PoE'd a newbie out of the realm of possibility of being scum.
In post 2021, Newbie wrote:Also, I think you're wrong about both me and mathdino.
In post 2032, Newbie wrote:For mathdino, I just have a strong gut feeling that he's town. Everything from him seems genuine. Yeah, he did end up contradicting himself, but that's because he pulled a confirmation bias.
In post 2026, Mathdino wrote:I'm an awkwardly emotional guy. And I'd prefer my first loss to be a game I played poorly.
In post 2038, Newbie wrote:mathdino, what I don't understand is why you're not trying to get a vote started on who you think is scummy.
In post 2071, blindmewithscience wrote:"Riddleton's case elaborated on it further and his other points were good as well. After that, I noticed that it seemed some people were throwing out other names (riddleton and Constantine for example) to get away from the VD lynch. That further cemented my suspicion."
In post 827, TellTaleHeart wrote:Wisdom sowing the seeds of discord; this whole suggestion to lynch Riddleton is a ridiculous ruse to cause confusion and force the town into making a hasty, bad decision.
Thanks, but no thanks. I'm good with my Victor vote.
In post 866, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:I still feel more comfortable lynching victor, and I agree with newbie about their being resistance.
While I'm more than happy to deadline lynch riddleton, there's just this off feeling that it's a counter wagon.
In post 2111, acryon wrote:I also don't feel comfortable just blindly agreeing to lynching someone tomorrow if MD flips town.
In post 2134, Mathdino wrote:I'm not sure which of you is worse here. The guy who convinced himself that my play and my being wrong is scummy because he can't see anyone else being scum, or the guy who sheeps the first one.
In post 2184, Newbie wrote:I wasn't ignoring your arguments. I just didn't know he had no scummy reads on the other two at all.