Open 583: JK9++ (Game Over!)

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Lol.

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Well, you're obviously not serious.

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I'd vote you.

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VOTE: Mastin

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It would be pretty suspect if your read changed on me after I voted you.

You know, with it being a serious read and all.

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VOTE: Mastin

Will catch up later tonight.

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Meh, nothing to catch up on.

Heartless, elaborate on eyestott?

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Prodge.

Fuck.

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so you are absent from the thread for 48 hours and when you come back this is your only contribution? a meaningless piece of drivel?

like seriously?

if you are town lift you game because at the moment you arent helping anyone. all you are doing is making it easier for scum to lurk.

How do you know I'm not scum lurking?

VOTE: Dodgy

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Catching up of this game today.

Or sure.

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EBWOP - For Sure*

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Going to do this catch-up in chunks. Bare with me.

Everything before the game start post is not game relevant so I don't see why you are trying to use it as such. That is like saying someone is scum because they posted in the sign-up thread at a specific time of the day in a specific spot on the player list. The game hasn't even started and you are deciding who is scum in what seems to be a serious way.

VOTE: Wicked

Can you elaborate on this please BC? How exactly does this reasoning make Wicked scum?

92 - Dodgy, I'm glad you picked up on this (Eyestott's buddying) because I was thinking the exact same thing. Certainly worth keeping an eye on. I have also thought of other potential motivations behind it but I'm going to keep them hidden for now.

93 - Tean, this post gives me good town feelings. I like your logic and thought process (even though I disagree with the conclusion that Killa is scum because of it.)

Can you elaborate on why Killa being defensive equals scum?

ok im going to get the ball started here. i havent played in this set up before. what are peoples thoughts on the mechanics of this game? or how are you planning on approaching this game?

Wow, this is scummy as fuck.

Translation - 'Hey, can you all tell me how you're planning on approaching this game and then myself and my scum-team can adjust our game plan accordingly.'

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121 - Mastin, I haven't seen you elaborate on this yet. Can you do so?

If you already have later in the thread, obviously disregard that question.

Dave is a player i would consider voting right now but i want to know what your case against him is.

This looks like 'Give me a reason to vote Dave.' Don't like it.

136 - Really interested in who this is.

@Mod - Can you get confirmation of whose account that is please?

143 - Killa, this post looks like you're voting Tean based on personality/play-style as opposed to voting him for reasons as to why he is scum. Would that be a correct assumption?

Also, want to address a couple of your points. Your first point is actually the opposite, usually, whoever gets wagoned early does not end up being the lynch.

Putting a lot of votes out early is also very good for town. It forces scum to 'choose a side' and is very good for late game analysis. I am a big advocate of pushing wagons to L-1 early game.

145 - @Killa, whilst I do not think defensiveness = scumminess, this

type

of defensiveness is scummy. You're very aware of where votes were being placed and that you were the leading wagon.

there's definiteyl something weird going on in the mastin-eyestott-dave interaction.

Yeah, elaborate on this?

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158 - Reasons for voting Dave, Copper? Also, why is there no mention of eyestott or dodgy in your reads-list?

159 - Wicked, how exactly is 'paying close attention to what's going on' a town-tell? I have noticed you used the same reasoning (Dave not paying attention) for Dave!Scum. Expand on this please.

What do you think of my thoughts on dodgy so far?

166 - @dodgy, I knew you were posturing to get on the Dave wagon in 122. Fucking knew it.

Reasons for vote?

As a side note, I didn't know Tean was a hydra. Can they start sigging their posts so I know who it is posting?

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177 - This is THE worst reads-list I have ever seen. You might as well have posted 'I got no reads, everyone is null'.

Why did you choose those people to present reads on? I use 'reads' very, very loosely as well.

183 - Dave, this is simply not true. You failed to mention eyestott, Killa, Tean or beast and I would argue that they had all contributed more than Anen who you decided to include in your reads-list.

189 - I like this. Tean is town.

198 - Dave, here you lump Heartless, Anen, BC and myself into a group with the label 'nothing substantial.' If that's the case, why was Anen the only plyer you chose to include in your previous reads-list?

Your reads feel forced and disingenuous. There is no consistency and it's almost like you're avoiding providing reads on the more active players.

Unless something fairly substantial happens over the next few pages, this is where my vote is going.

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Will try and finish this catch-up later tonight or tomorrow.

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Hi Dave, I notice you're online.

Do you not have anything to respond to or are you purposely choosing to ignore it?

@dodgy - tean is town, I feel pretty sure on that. I voted for you because...well...you'll see when I catch up to that part.

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203 - Dodgy, this looks like you're posturing to jump off the Dave wagon if it loses momentum. Scummy enough for you to keep voting him, enough doubt in the read for you to jump off if you need to.

204 - Copper, if you disliked Tean's vote the most, why did you not vote for them? Also, in 158 you say Tean vs Killa is 'Town vs town', that's changed now?

205 - Dodgy, it looks like you're testing the waters for a Tean wagon here. Interested to see where this goes.

211/213 - Umm, eyestott, when and why did Dave become your top scum-read? This read seems to have come from nowhere.

215 - Dave, what was you expecting me to do? Also, why me specifically?

219 - Anen, this is interesting. I'm trying to decide if your read on Tean is opportunistic or genuine. You now have Tean as your top scum-read and vote them,

right after

both dodgy and Copper express some disliking of that slot. This feels scummy.

This game is getting exciting.

I feel very confident there is at least one scum in Copper/Dodgy/Anen. Copper and Dodgy are not scum together, Anen could be scum with either of them.

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259 - Dave, it looks like you're trying to deflect onto Tean here. The difference is, Vettrock didn't try to provide a reads list that was filled with fluff/null reads. You did. This makes you look like you're trying to be town; it looks forced. Whereas Vettrock's position appears much more natural.

261 - I actually like this.

273 - Holy shit. I would lynch this. Right now.

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283 - Mastin, you have to be joking. How are you town-reading BC?

285 - Weird soft-defence of Heartless. Why might Heartless be scum Copper?

290 - BC, you're scum because you have done absolutely nothing except post fluff.

298 - Even if you were still making your mind up I would expect that information to be included in your reads-list.

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307 - Dodgy, if you were trying to gauge a read on Mastin then you didn't need to include the 'I could vote Dave right now' comment.

308 - All of Tean's posts are so town it hurts. In particular, 93, 97, 182, 189 & 231

My vote on you was because I had misread your preceding post. However, I still find you to be scummy for the other reasons stated during my vatch-up.

310 - I find it astonishing that you can post on this site whilst sleeping. That is a skill.

330 - eyestott, you're voting Dave because he said he would self-vote? That's your only reasoning?

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Some questions that people missed/ignored/avoided...

93 - Tean, this post gives me good town feelings. I like your logic and thought process (even though I disagree with the conclusion that Killa is scum because of it.)

Can you elaborate on why Killa being defensive equals scum?

166 - @dodgy, I knew you were posturing to get on the Dave wagon in 122. Fucking knew it.

Reasons for vote?

177 - This is THE worst reads-list I have ever seen. You might as well have posted 'I got no reads, everyone is null'.

Why did you choose those people to present reads on? I use 'reads' very, very loosely as well.

183 - Dave, this is simply not true. You failed to mention eyestott, Killa, Tean or beast and I would argue that they had all contributed more than Anen who you decided to include in your reads-list.

198 - Dave, here you lump Heartless, Anen, BC and myself into a group with the label 'nothing substantial.' If that's the case, why was Anen the only plyer you chose to include in your previous reads-list?

Your reads feel forced and disingenuous. There is no consistency and it's almost like you're avoiding providing reads on the more active players.

Unless something fairly substantial happens over the next few pages, this is where my vote is going.

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ok fair enough i can see why you are saying my other posts are scummy. i was so confused about your vote at the time though

What in particular do you agree with regarding your posts being scummy?

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Also Dodgy, what's your read on Tean?

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@BBT
Why does disliking Tean's vote imply I should vote for him?

Heartless may be scum because of the associative Dave dropped on them at the start of the game, if he is scum himself. As for the readlist, it would be a fair point if I actually gave one this game.

Given you had dropped your scum-read on Dave, and found Tean's vote to be most suspicious, then logic dictates that Tean becomes your top scum-read, no?

Yeah, you can't base a read solely on associatives before any relevant flips/information have happened/is available.

You kind of gave a reads-list in 158. If it wasn't a reads-list, what was it?

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@BBT
I found Tean's vote opportunistic because he switched from Killa to Dave without much interaction with the wagon beforehand and only after more than one player expressed his like of Killa,

so he went from possibly town to leaning scum, I deemed voting him before he could give his opinion on the matter and without really knowing if my read on Dave was correct to be premature.

I find Tean's suspicion of Dave to be genuine and on point. Do you disagree with their reasoning for voting Dave?

Can you just reword the bold for me please. Want to make sure I fully understand what you're trying to say here.

What do you mean trying to bury them? Your word choice is confusing to me.

Any reads?

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I find it genuine because it lined up with exactly what I was thinking at the time and I know I'm town.

Who are your top 3 scum-reads Copper?

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They're good scum-reads.

I had you as scum as well though. Not really sure what to do about that.

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I don't think I can.

Usually, I can read you as town pretty quickly. I can't this game.

I'm wondering if it's because I have had to catch-up and had no real-time interactions but we'll wait and see.

Something feels off.

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I don't think it is.

What's your reasoning for Town!Anen?

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Lol.

Any actual reasons?

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What is your read on Tean independent of anything else dodgy?

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just did a re-read of all his posts.

im neutral -leaning scum on him. i dont like his involvement in the killa/dave bandwagons. he hasnt expressed a couple of opinions that generally follow the trend of what has been said in thread up to that point. i dont see him doing any scumhunting of his own and it feels like he is trying to just blend in.

They were first to attack the weak reads-list presented by Dave; I'm curious why you don't see that as independent scum-hunting.

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352 - Copper, do you think it's likely that Dodgy and eyestott are scum together? Also, why is Heartless not in your scum-reads?

363 - Dodgy, Tean were first to attack Killa though? So they were first to attack Killa, and first to attack Dave, but you accuse them of not doing any of their own scum-hunting? I don't understand where you're coming from here.

371 - Wicked, I don't think it's good scum-hunting strategy to base your reads on players depending on how

you

play. Everybody plays differently. For example, I tend to pay more attention to the thread as scum because I know who is town and it always feels harder making cases when I know somebodies alignment.

What do you make of Dodgy's defence against my accusation of 122?

As for your scum-read on Tean I found the following; if I have missed anything, let me know.

Spoiler: Wicked Reasons for Tean!Scum

Tean Samargo: it's good that they created a case to justify their vote, but I dislike the target. I also dislike how, in their case, they refer to killapenwin as "the penguins", "the pengling", and "pengdong". At the time of their case it was already clear that killapenwin both had a defensive play style and was frustrated by the suspicions toward him. So it really feels like these demeaning names are meant to incite an emotional reaction from penwin, something that could attract more suspicion towards him. Also haven't seen anything town-telling from them either.

Now this is a weird thing for

you

to say! Especially considering you cast the vote for davesaz immediately preceding eyestott’s vote (so you weren’t much faster to hop aboard). It also seems convenient how you start to cast doubt on the wagon, ‘coincidentally’, just after it starts to lose momentum.

I mean, in 160, I see no reason to scum-read someone because they present a case on someone who you don't think it scum. Town present cases on town all the time and it's not even like it was a

bad

case. Unless your town-read of Killa at that time was super-strong, and if it was, I would like to know how you arrived at that read.

As for 250, do you disagree with his reasoning for voting Dave? Because I found myself nodding my head when they picked him up for an awful reads-list, where am I going wrong here? Also, I find Tean's reasoning for Dave!Scum to be much more genuine and likely to come from a town mindset than eyestott's. Do you disagree?

1: In post 231 you said “I feel a little bit uncomfortable with my vote along side yours honestly.” which feels like doubt in the dave wagon.

No, what it looks like is that Tean are aware of their reads and willing to reevaluate. Why would he be comfortable pushing a wagon that another of his scum-reads has jumped on? It seems you're determined to read scum motivation behind anything Tean does and my town-read on you is slipping.

Dodgy: On the surface, your play looks abit similar to Fable 6, but I've realised that there is nothing I can say that will change your views of me.

I'm leaning scum on you.
Wait no. I think you are scum. Id say youre my second scum read.

These two quotes are very concerning. So, in 374 you're trying to change dodgy's view of you. Why would you try to change dodgy's view of you if you believe he is scum (283). Like, if you town-read him, I could understand it, but trying to reason with someone you're scum-reading makes no sense at all because you should be thinking he is

purposely

trying to 'mislynch' you.

VOTE: eyestott

Yes. If dave flips scum, id probably think youre not his scumbuddy, so either SK or town.
If town, Id be more confident youre anti-town.

Yeah, so you're determined to read dodgy!scum no matter what happens. Got it.

Can we lynch eyestott now?

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What do you think about my reasoning behind my eyestott vote?

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Can you vote eyestott?

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Copper, Dave is not town by a long shot.

Anen, if there is scum in Dodgy/Eyestott, I feel it's eyestott.

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Mastin is scum.

One more to find.

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Her town-read of BC.

Scum WK'ing someone who could quite easily be toDay's lynch based on nothing. Like, he has actually done nothing.

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You're willing to bus?

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HEY, BTT.
FUCK YOUR "no meta" POLICY, GO READ LITERALLY

ANY

FUCKING GODDAMNED MASTOWN GAME YOU PIECE OF SHIT.

Beast is town. I am defending him. Fucking DEALWITHIT.

Nah, I'm good.

Meta is still bad for scum-hunting.

You're defending him because he's town and you're scum, right?

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Okay, I've seen it, Mastin.
Having no read of my own, I believe in your BBT read now.

Lol.

Wtf is this shit.

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Sure, except everyone is clearly town-reading the shit out of you (except Heartless) so, no, not that much of a risk actually because EVERYONE is buying it.

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401 - this post gives me really scummy vibes. I can't quite put my finger on it but this reads-list feels off.

Also, I know Wicked picked up on it in 411 (Wicked is rapidly becoming my top town-read) but I really don't know why you said;

BBT, 393 – So, are you voting for the same person as Dodgy right now? Hmmm... (However, I don't think you're scum. When I met you first your gameplay was similar.)

This feels scummy. Like, you're floating the idea that I am scum (but you don't think so) to see if it gains traction. I'm looking forward to seeing your explanation of this.

403 - Copper, I'm concerned here that you didn't think anything of Anen's blatant parroting of my questions.

404 - Wicked, my town-read on tean is not only due to their scum-hunting. It is a general feeling from nearly all of their posts. However, their inactivity is a little concerning.

407 - Don't like this vote.

408 - Vettrock, you really need to be doing something now. Top 3 town/scum reads?

409 - 1. Yeah because I still know they're town.
2. I enjoy playing as scum more than town.

I don't understand how you have a super-strong town-read on Killa but I'm not at all interested in pursuing this avenue right now.

It doesn't matter if Tean and Dave voted 'at the same time', it's the reasoning behind those votes.

Your read on me is slipping towards scum because I disagree with you? Pur-lease.

Has he never had a townie disagree with him before?

It's funny that you post this right after your reasons for scum-reading me.

The rest of this post is exactly what I was thinking as I was catching up though.

413 - @BC, scummier people around. Plus, it's insanely difficult to get a lurker lynched on this site. I don't have the time nor the energy to try.

417 - Yeah Anen, that reasoning in 209 is

nowhere near good enough

if decide you just want to hop on this wagon.

I've played with BBT before. His start here was different from the one I had seen in our game but his later "pushes" are the town-BBT I had met before. So, I simply don't know what to think. Does it make sense now?

No, it doesn't. How does that address the fact you tried to float the idea I was scum without committing to it?

423 - Heartless, hoping you guys elaborate on this.

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Copper is scum if eyestott is scum.

Tracker is a great fake claim for scum.

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Yeah, that BBT. What is he doing?

FoS BBT

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425 - Heartless, I find it pretty unlikely that both dodgy and eyestott are scum.

429 - Wicked, what exactly don't you like about my scum!eye reasoning?

432 - Jesus Christ, this fucking reads-list. Where do I start?

Town-reading me to appease won't work. Nice try though. How am I strong town if you think everything I post I could post as scum?

Reasoning for Town!Killa?

Reasoning for Town!Vettrock?

Reasoning for Town!Anen?

Do you think it's likely that both eye/dodgy are scum? Also, I think Dave could be town and I've not picked anything scummy up from Heartless either sooo.....

434 - FUCK META. FFS, I fucking hate this shit. Too fucking easy for scum, 'He's town because meta' is not a fucking reason. FUCK. Please be scum BC, for the love of fucking God, please be scum.

439 - Mastin, you JUST had dodgy in your scum pile...but he's giving you town-vibes. Have I missed something?

440 - Killa, can you quote some of those posts from eye that you don't like? Because, it's somewhat convenient that you like this wagon at this time.

You also say he's difficult to read...but you're scum-reading him...so he can't be

that

difficult?

446 - Anen, again, this is an opportunistic time to be jumping on the eye wagon. Can you give your reasoning for eye!scum? 'Eyestott may be okay' does not quite qualify you to join the wagon.

The explanation for his attached comment is just so scummy. Why is Anen getting no attention at all?

The 'looking for confirmation' from Mastin for your read on me is weird as well. Not sure what I make of that yet.

I am supremely confident there is

at least

one scum in Killa/Anen.

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458 - Mastin, I don't give a fuck what the majority thinks. The only thing I KNOW is that I'm town, and I'll go for who

I

think is scum over anybody, and everybody, else's opinions.

460 - Another scummy post from Anen. Like, he is being careful here to make sure he can't be accounted for anything he says.

VOTE: Anen

463 - You most definitely was trying to change dodgy's view of you and you most definitely was scum-reading him at that time as well. That explanation doesn't cut it.

At this point, I feel one of Copper/Eye is scum (not scum together) and Anen is independently scum.

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482 - Yay, I like this.

484 - I like this even more. Heartless is town.

496 - Lol. I like Copper for scum.

Anen/eye/Copper?

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504 - Heartless, what do you think of my reasoning for eye!scum?

505 - Heartless, did you come to a conclusion?

509 - Another 'can't remember' moment from Mastin. A convenient way of avoiding having to explain anything.

515 - Anen, is your reasoning for not voting eyestott because you don't have very good reasoning to get on the wagon?

This reads-list is magical. Like, the ONLY people it looks like you wouldn't lynch from this list is Killa and Dave.

521 - Nah, not good enough. You said, and I quote;

So, are you voting for the same person as Dodgy right now? Hmmm... (However, I don't think you're scum. When I met you first your gameplay was similar.)

Either way, you still haven't addressed why you floated the idea that I was scum. Like, if you didn't think I was scum (which you said you didn't) then why even put the point I quoted in your post?

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I could get behind an eyesott lynch. I don't like their logic at all.

Jesus Christ. I fucking hate it when my scum-reads start contemplating voting my other scum-reads.

Okay, so, I'm a tracker.
If youre going to lynch me, do it now.

I legitimately believe all of the points ive made, and would have made those points regardless of alignment.

This needs to be lynched. Just maybe not toDay. Anen or Copper is toDay's lynch.

FML with these early claims, remove your votes from Eyes.

What? Why would you townread me for that?

This looks like distancing.

Yes, the part where BBT says if you are scum so am I? So are you claiming scum with me? I don't really mind a 1v1.

I'm sure you don't. You're both scum, and either of your flips clears the other one, right? /sarcasm.

Good, I don't need a townread to not lynch you D1, just common sense.

If you are scum you already screwed the pooch and you have at most 2 days left to survive, there is no KP reduction this game so I have no interest in lynching someone that is already a dead man walking if he is scum (there is no prize for winning the game faster), I do have a vested interest in not lynching a possibly town PR when there is very little need to.

FoS BBT for that BS.

FoS is pretty late. Why didn't you say that the moment I posted it?

Also, this post is awkward as fuck.

And, I'm finally caught up.

Want to lynch Anen or Copper toDay.

Will compromise on Mastin or eyestott.

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I'm not talking about what eyestott posted.

I'm talking about what I posted.

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Yes, I would.

Right now. With him having claimed tracker and everything.

Would still lynch him.

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I know I'm town.

I also know you're scum.

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I do too.

But, can you vote him please?

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Umm, I forgot I had switched my vote to Anen.

Ahem...Vote Anen please?

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That's nice.

I can guarantee you that one way to NOT get me off of you is to avoid answering my questions.

So, yeah. Can we lynch Anen now?

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I like that dodgy.

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Dodgy, Anen please.

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We can lynch Copper tomorrow.

Let's lynch Anen toDay.

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Can you answer everything I asked you and not just select questions that suit you?

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VC please Mod

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we still have plenty of time to find scum

copper is still pushing for a pr reveal of a tracker even though numerous people have told him he could be wrong.
he then resorts to being rude.

that being said, would a scum push such an obviously bad plan and then double down on it when pressured? idk my gut tends to say no. but a town would see that its a bad plan once it was pointed out to them.

Something about that first line feels off when read in context.

619 - Anen, nothing in this post tells me why you're scum-reading eyestott. Try again.

622 - Yeah, over 600 posts into a game I expect you to have developed some reads. Where's the problem with that? Your reads-list was awful.

What else do you have at all? I've quick-checked your posts and I've found nothing else.

Here;

Spoiler: Questions/comments for Anen to respond to

The 'looking for confirmation' from Mastin for your read on me is weird as well. Not sure what I make of that yet.

460 - Another scummy post from Anen. Like, he is being careful here to make sure he can't be accounted for anything he says.

This reads-list is magical. Like, the ONLY people it looks like you wouldn't lynch from this list is Killa and Dave.
521 - Nah, not good enough. You said, and I quote;

So, are you voting for the same person as Dodgy right now? Hmmm... (However, I don't think you're scum. When I met you first your gameplay was similar.)

Either way, you still haven't addressed why you floated the idea that I was scum. Like, if you didn't think I was scum (which you said you didn't) then why even put the point I quoted in your post?

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634 - I'm starting to come around to the idea of Tean!Scum. Definitely need to see more from this slot.

640 - Wicked, you're missing the point. If you're scum-reading someone, do you try to convince them you're town?

Aneninen - null - gut says town, but slight issues prevent me from fully town reading

What issues?

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658 - Vettrock, why is Anen town? Why am I town?

Are you seriously suggesting you left an RVS vote on Dodgy all this time? Even as his wagon was building you didn't think to take your RSV vote off? Hmm, I think I'd like to lynch you.

Why is tean town? Why is Heartless scum?

669 - Anen, you 'examine' the wagon but don't actually analyse anything. You examine the wagon and then state you will 'examine dodgy later', well, wouldn't the time be now? You know, when you're examining the wagon?

Is Copper scummy for being on the wagon or not? Your 'analysis' of him is pretty fluffy. You're scum-reading Mastin...someone whose read you trusted enough to believe I was town is now scum...Nah, this doesn't make sense. Explain.

Have I missed the examination of Dodgy/Mastin/Copper? I don't believe I have read it.

672 - Dodgy, you were pretty keen on Copper/Anen not too long ago. What's changed?

674 - Mastin, I didn't say you were defending me. I said you were town-reading me to get me off your back. I'm good now though, I think you're more likely to be town based on other (stronger) scum-reads.

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VOTE: Copper

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I didn't 'just go'.

Don't misrep me.

One of Anen/Killa is still scum (most likely Anen)

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I can smell OMGUS.

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Thanks Killa.

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I will say all of my reads are weak reads with the exception of eyestott, who I'm putt fairly solidly on the town side. It is partially by POE and partially initial feeling.

If your reads are weak reads, how can you have eyestott as town by PoE?

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That didn't answer my question.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Maybe.

Copper, vote Anen. More traction for his wagon than killa's.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hey Anen,

While you're here, wanna answer my posts?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What happened to Copper/Anen?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@Copper
My opinion on the dodgy-eye interaction is that I think that they are likely tvs.

Eye- I like BBT's thoughts in #393 about eye's actions. I point specifically at the point where eye is trying to change dodgy's opinion.
Dodgy- I find his play seems to be too tunnel-y. Whatever eye posts, dodgy seems to go above and beyond to scum read it. The speed in which Dodgy suddenly drops his vote on eye (without question mind you), is very suspicious.

You think this is tvs and just give reasoning for why both could be scum? Who is town and who is scum?

725 - Vettrock, you don't 'only have meta to go on'. You have over 700 posts to work with. You might not have had time to play, but you were certainly online (sometimes posting) when the dodgy wagon was in the ascendency. Why didn't you take your RVS vote off when a serious wagon was building on the person you were voting?

734 - Nah, bad vote Copper.

Dave is probably town, (though I feel like he has gone quiet recently). Killa is looking town lately too. Anen, we can agree on. You should vote him.

I find it concerning that you're valuing the opinions of players whose alignments you 'don't know' higher than your own.

739 - Mostly due to inactivity.

749 - Holy shit Copper, that's a lot of words to say Anen is null.

772 - Mastin, do you have usually have trouble reading logical players?

781 - I could do this. But, I feel it's quite a low-info lynch and therefore there are better lynches available.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@BBT
Let's talk about your Tean read for a moment, since you just went from Tean is super town and at least one of the players voting for him, Aneninen and Killa, are scum (with the utmost confidence), to I am coming around to Tean scum, what's the thought process there?

Nah, it wasn't.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I have answered it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Scum don't usually get vig shots do they?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Oh, you think I'm scum?

Wanna explain that?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I like how you think you claiming vengeful makes you town.

PEdit - Dodgy, that's quite a dramatic shift in reads you have made. Can you explain it please?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@Dodgy - Yeah, the shift from Copper/Anen to Tean/Vettrock just seemed to happen quite quickly. Are you still interested in lynching Anen?

@Copper, if you're vengeful you know you're not shooting me. I second BC because I can't stand lurkers, if not him, Anen.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm pretty sure Copper. I'm still not convinced you're town either so I'm really not worried.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's funny because you said this;

FML with these early claims, remove your votes from Eyes.

Then did this;

I am vengeful so my lynch isn't too bad for town

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's also a great claim for scum to make.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I can't believe we only have 8 VC's in a 34 page D1. That's ludicrous and makes it exceptionally difficult to analyse wagons/voting patterns.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

eyestott (5) - dodgy56, BlueBloodedToffee, copper223, davesaz, Mastin2

Hey Dave, Copper was on two wagons too.

You seem to have missed that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

eyestott (5) - dodgy56, BlueBloodedToffee, copper223, davesaz, Mastin2

eyestott (5) - dodgy56, BlueBloodedToffee, davesaz, Mastin2, killapenwin

It was at it's peak.

You just chose the other VC. Was there any reason for this?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The first one is the one with Copper on.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Meh.

You're analysis clearly didn't go very deep.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Makes you 'look' town though.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Not a fan of the Dave wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Dave, vote Copper.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Look at the posturing from Tean to get on this wagon.

I really don't think Dave is toDay's lynch.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Umm, my bad.

Who is on Dave wagon again? (phoneposting)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That looks like a pretty townie wagon (with exception of Copper)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

But I kind of don't want to lynch him if you do.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Davesaz

1. They seem to be going after easy targets.
2. Sheep Heartless.

Aww, come on.

Are we actually going to let this just happen?

Would prefer to lynch Copper, Anen, BC or eye before Dave.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because I'm basing my read on Copper's play and not his claim.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I waited to see if there was going to be a shift after I softed to Mastin and she tried to move it off of me, but since there wasn't and I agree that deadline lynches are bad for town this became the next best play, I would not have claimed any other power role but if we are going to use mine we might as well get the most out of it.

I also am still unsure if Mastin is town for it or she was happy killing me off during the night so I wanted to share this, personally I am leaning town.

I can't find this soft you claim to have wafted in Mastin's direction.
In the meantime, vengeful is just about the best scum fake claim there is.
VOTE: copper223

I'll be honest, my approach has been somewhat lazy. I got seriously pissed off by the early wagon, and really demoralized by a bunch of scummy stuff being ignored by the same people who were sheeping Mastin on the so-called "newbscum tells" that have not really been explained. Mea culpa.

Unfortunately, this game is really lacking in strong analysis. Too much taking the easy route by too many people. Not saying it's all bad, but the noise ratio is much higher than optimum.

Peak wagons, at the point of vote counts.
I did not look if the wagons got more/different votes between VC. The point of this is to get an idea of where to look, since re-reading the whole thread and analyzing 10 players would take quite a lot of time. Looking at the copper wagon after the VC was easy and obvious, so I did track it down to the actual max point.

davesaz (5) - Mastin2, Wickedestjr, Tean Samargo, eyestott, copper223

eyestott (5) - dodgy56, BlueBloodedToffee, davesaz, Mastin2, killapenwin

copper223 (4) - BlueBloodedToffee, killapenwin, Heartless, davesaz

Umm, copper only had 3 (or less) votes at time of claim. After I get castigated for claiming VT at L-2?

Really??

On 2 wagons:
Mastin2
BBT
killapenwin


Not on any of the wagons
Vettrock
Aneninen
beastcharizard

Suppose all of these wagons are exclusively town driven. While I can't say why scum would not have been on any of the wagons, a scum team of Vettrock, Aneninen, and beastcharizard is pretty damn appealing. Vettrock has been very noncommital the whole D1 but waves it off as being a bad D1 player. beastcharizard is active lurking and I remember seeing comments that producing content is his scum meta. But meta can be manipulated. And Aneninen has had all those catchup walls.

Let's say that one scum is in the group not on any wagons, and one is in the group who have been on two wagons. Even that narrows down a re-read to just 6 players.

Can I get a little help here? We need to pick someone if we're going to squeeze in a lynch before deadline.

Heartless, who would you be willing to lynch if not Dave?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Those quotes are because I'm in the middle of re-reading so just ignore them.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I waited to see if there was going to be a shift after I softed to Mastin and she tried to move it off of me, but since there wasn't and I agree that deadline lynches are bad for town this became the next best play, I would not have claimed any other power role but if we are going to use mine we might as well get the most out of it.

I also am still unsure if Mastin is town for it or she was happy killing me off during the night so I wanted to share this, personally I am leaning town.

I can't find this soft you claim to have wafted in Mastin's direction.
In the meantime, vengeful is just about the best scum fake claim there is.
VOTE: copper223

I'll be honest, my approach has been somewhat lazy. I got seriously pissed off by the early wagon, and really demoralized by a bunch of scummy stuff being ignored by the same people who were sheeping Mastin on the so-called "newbscum tells" that have not really been explained. Mea culpa.

Unfortunately, this game is really lacking in strong analysis. Too much taking the easy route by too many people. Not saying it's all bad, but the noise ratio is much higher than optimum.

Peak wagons, at the point of vote counts.
I did not look if the wagons got more/different votes between VC. The point of this is to get an idea of where to look, since re-reading the whole thread and analyzing 10 players would take quite a lot of time. Looking at the copper wagon after the VC was easy and obvious, so I did track it down to the actual max point.

davesaz (5) - Mastin2, Wickedestjr, Tean Samargo, eyestott, copper223

eyestott (5) - dodgy56, BlueBloodedToffee, davesaz, Mastin2, killapenwin

copper223 (4) - BlueBloodedToffee, killapenwin, Heartless, davesaz

Umm, copper only had 3 (or less) votes at time of claim. After I get castigated for claiming VT at L-2?

Really??

On 2 wagons:
Mastin2
BBT
killapenwin


Not on any of the wagons
Vettrock
Aneninen
beastcharizard

Suppose all of these wagons are exclusively town driven. While I can't say why scum would not have been on any of the wagons, a scum team of Vettrock, Aneninen, and beastcharizard is pretty damn appealing. Vettrock has been very noncommital the whole D1 but waves it off as being a bad D1 player. beastcharizard is active lurking and I remember seeing comments that producing content is his scum meta. But meta can be manipulated. And Aneninen has had all those catchup walls.

Let's say that one scum is in the group not on any wagons, and one is in the group who have been on two wagons. Even that narrows down a re-read to just 6 players.

Can I get a little help here? We need to pick someone if we're going to squeeze in a lynch before deadline.

VOTE: Heartless

Re-starting a mislynch on the towniest player in the game.

Intent to self-hammer

at deadline

if scum go for the no-lynch.

@Mod: Advance warning, I do not consider this against town wincon. Town needs the flip more than it needs me alive

I can always go for the hero shot or egg in the face if you get me lynched, or it won't be on me if we end up on Dave and it's a mislynch, the important part for me is I won't support lynching someone when I don't believe he is scum just because it's the easy way out.

I don't think you have.

Can you at least consider other options?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Apologies again for the quotes.

I'm a fucking idiot sometimes.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

878 - Heartless, do you really see scum starting a vanity wagon at this stage of the game with himself as the leading wagon?

906 - Rereading this makes me think you could be town.

I have been thinking that I really want to lynch inside of you and eyestott. You've both been scummy enough to warrant a lynch and I feel that either flip provides a ton more information than a Dave flip does (plus I think he is town anyway). The problem is, it's obviously dangerous should you both be telling the truth (I don't know how you are all working out %'s etc, set-up spec is not a strong point of mine and I haven't looked at this set-up in detail because it looks quite high in variance). I think I'm a lot more comfortable lynching eye than you now though.

925 - Reasoning for wanting to vote Dave, Vettrock?

927 - I agree with Copper that eye's conclusion in this post is ridiculous. You also state you're 'consolidating', this feels like you're overly justifying your vote and I don't like it.

930 - VC: What do we think about this? Are wagons stalling because scum are spread out?

davesaz (3) - Tean Samargo, Mastin2, Heartless,
copper223 (3) - BlueBloodedToffee, killapenwin,

eyestott

Tean Samargo (3) -

Aneninen

, dodgy56, wicked
Wickedestjr (1) -

beastcharizard

eyestott

(1) - copper223
Heartless (1) - davesaz

Not voting (1) -

vettrock

These would be my top 4 choices.

945 - You beetlejuice a lot. Notably, Dave has been accused of doing this and people call him scum for it. You, however, have received very little attention for it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Not really.

BC would be a PL. Not Vettrock.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

1010 - I like this. Can we divert the wagon away from Dave please? The fact Copper is willing to reevaluate that read at this point points towards him being town quite strongly.

1011 - Whilst I like this post, the amount of people you would be willing to lynch is a little concerning.

1012 - Can see Anen and Vettrock being scum.

PEdit - Anti, you need to reevaluate that read.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Dave, who are your top 3 scum-reads and why?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Phoneposting.

They are two very strabge kills. I don't give a shit what people say about NKA, they are weird kills. Need to take a serious look at Heartless and Mastin, they're either horribly wrong in their reads or they're sxum/SK

[BlueBloodedToffee]

1053 - TTH saying Dave is probably town (that's what I am assuming because she didn't want to lynch him)

As a side note, TTH, why did you not unvote Dave here?

1063 - More support for Dave being town, this time from Dodgy.

1068 - More support for Dave being town, this time from Copper. Who ironically makes the worst vote in history and hammers Dave right after making this comment. You taking the 'too scummy to be scum' line Copper?

1069 - Possibly the second worst vote in history comes from Vettrock. Like, where is his reasoning for Dave being scum in this post? The only thing I can see that can be attributed to Dave is this;

I think dave is the best option. He appears more town later, but I am going to write this off as scum trying to save themselves. He is definitely the best of any of the "non-vanity" wagons for today.
VOTE: dave

That is L-1.

Seriously. I'm probably voting Vettrock toDay. Maybe Copper.

davesaz (7) - Tean Samargo, Mastin2, Heartless,

beastcharizard

,

Wickedestjr

,

vettrock

,

copper223

My feelings on Dave wagon. I highly doubt all scum were on the Dave wagon but I want to lynch from the Dave wagon toDay and those are the people I want to vote for. Wicked is purple because I can't shake the feeling that he is SK.

1075 - Killa, why is this not a continuation of D1? It's like you're voting BC based on nothing more than what could be classified as an RVS vote.

1079 - Convenient time for you to come back. You should ISO me and answer any outstanding questions. You managed to avoid getting on the wagon as well. Well done.

If eyestott is no surprise for the kill, may I ask why you think Copper is still alive? I mean, his claim is the worst one for scum to have to deal with during the Days. Copper is prime target for kill if he's town, no?

1081 - Copper, why is Killa suddenly scum again? Your comment regarding your 'reads being bad' really, really feels disingenuous and forced. I really don't like it.

I mean, you're using reasons for Killa!Scum that you could have pushed yesterDay, why didn't you?

VOTE: Vettrock

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I could lynch him.

Prefer Vettrock first though.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Not really, no.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

vote: beastcharizard

because it is as good a place as any to start.

This isn't a vote with purpose.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because you're looking at associatives without the relevant information.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'd rather we lynch Vettrock.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It would not be a stretch, but it's at least inaccurate and I've expressed my opinion of why hardcore lurking is less likely to be scum than people make it out to be in multiple games, it goes against scum's wincon

and I've yet to see a hardcore lurker flip scum

(so I might be biased by my sample size), an opinion I have expressed in multiple games where my alignment is verifiable.

This is a lie.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

In that game they replaced out and Llama was not a hardcore lurker so no.

So Jagged Appliance was not scum and he didn't hardcore lurk?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You concede the point Copper?

Copper is likely scum.

I still want to lynch Anen as well.

But nobody is listening.

So I'll crawl back into my hole until people want to listen.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

1148 - Mastin, here you guarantee that Vettrock is scum.

and then there's vettock, who while not a strong scumread has been null or well on the wrong side of null the entire game.

Then you said this...what's up with that?

Can you explain your Anen town-read as well?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I've never been able to establish a firm read on BBT, check my posts. Or I misremember something now. It's late here. On the other hand, why would I fake my gameplay just because of you? You know, I've met quite a couple of players before in different games.
(Or, it's also possible that I've been unable to interpret your post at all.)

When I was talking about this post Anen, I was making reference to the way you're trying to not be held accountable for things you say. For example, you say you've never been able to get a read on me, then you say, or maybe I'm misremembering which I interpret as 'I might be wrong on that, and if I am, well you can't scum-read me for it because I already said I could be wrong.'

Aneninen - null - gut says town, but slight issues prevent me from fully town reading

Still waiting on this...

Is Copper scummy for being on the wagon or not? Your 'analysis' of him is pretty fluffy. You're scum-reading Mastin...someone whose read you trusted enough to believe I was town is now scum...Nah, this doesn't make sense. Explain.

You missed this one Anen.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How do you know we have 2 scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How are you working it out?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I thought there was a way he was working out the set-up.

I realise he is just going on his best guess now though.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Behave Mastin, Jesus Christ.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'll lynch Vettrock toDay.

The majority of Copper's play strikes me as scummy but scum seem way too overpowered if we can essentially lose the game by lynching Scum!Copper, he shoots townie and scum and SK kill to end game for town.

Plus, he re-evaluation of his reads late D1 felt awfully town.

Would lynch Anen too.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Vengeful doesn't seem a great fake-claim for scum to make.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Umm, I don't know?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I would love to know how that makes me scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yay.

VOTE: Copper

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm going to add this in; I have no fucking idea who scum is. I haven't kept up with this game anywhere near as much as I would have liked so I have to apologize for that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Go for it.

I have decided that one of you or Mastin is scum.

Here's the thing that's getting me thinking though; wouldn't it be funny if Mastin's comment re 'OMG I would totally kill Anti, and because I haven't, I CANNOT be scum' was actually true but she can't kill you because you're both scum.

That would be funny.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, I'm leaning more towards both of you being scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

A fake PR claim*

[BlueBloodedToffee]

We'll see.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Behave Copper.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I agree with that.

PEdit - Not that. The one before.

Why?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No, I'm not.

I think you're scum and I'm voting accordingly. Stop crying.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Mastin

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Problem?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I believe your frustration is genuine.

I'll be more than pissed off if it isn't.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Look at the scum coming together to form a CW.

Ain't it cute.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Mastin is lining up to vote me.

That's pretty clear.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I derped and thought Copper could be scum & vengeful.

Keep forgetting it's an open setup.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't particularly care whether you believe me or not.

I'm telling you I keep forgetting it's an open set up.

I'm waffling on Scum!Copper...so what?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How do we know Copper is scum if there is another PR?

I like how quickly Anen reversed his read on me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm going to try and devote some time to this game tonight and sort my reads out.

I apologize for my shit play of late.

/phoneposting

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm ready to shake this game up. Be ready for it at the end of this post.

1169 - Given your current read on me Anen, it's very interesting that you called me 'obv-town' in this post solely because I noticed the same thing you did.

1172 - Mastin, I fucking hate how you're so sure Anen is town yet you can't give a single fucking reason for it.

1178 - This is weak reasoning from Copper for his Dave hammer. Like, there is nothing wrong with the thought process, it just doesn't feel genuine to me. He's implying that if it hadn't been for him that we would have NL'ed. Clearly, somebody else would have hammered when the time come.

1180 - Whilst I feel most of your post regarding Mastin is about her playstyle, I actually find that I agree with a lot of what you're saying. I'm also sick of reading Mastin's self meta; given how proud she is of her scum play, I would imagine she manipulates her meta quite a lot. So, using meta to defend herself/pursue reads is just weak as fuck.

I also had a thought about this; it would be quite clever for Scum!Mastin to leave Anti alive solely for the reason of 'Hey Anti, you know I'm not scum because I totally would have killed you by now.' Especially if she thought Anti might bring up the point himself as a reason for Town!Mastin (as it turns out, he didn't, and Mastin had to bring it up herself).

1194 - What a horrible post from BC. Seriously, can we lynch this guy?

Heartless, are you town-reading BC?

Couple more thoughts; if Anen is town both Heartless & Mastin are probably scum. If Anen is scum, Heartless could be scum and Mastin is most likely town.

Also, I claim Town Hider.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I have just read my role PM and was reminded of something.

If I hide behind someone and I don't die...they are confirmed town. I'm such a fucking idiot.

I hid behind Killa last night. Killa is conf town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

1205 - Good post from Mastin.

But that still leaves me with a bit of a large pile: killa, copper, BBT, Tean, and vettock. If you can drop your scumread on me, we can sort this shit out. I actually think that we're fairly synergetic players. At least when we have the same alignment. So if you can trust me on me being town, we can work together to get something coherent together.

Your team is now Copper/Tean/Vettrock.

I could absolutely see that scum-team.

I'm back in this game. Killa is town, Mastin is town & so is Wicked (still outside chance of being SK). I'm actually liking Anen's recent posts, he can be town as well. I need more time for Heartless because I think I was town-reading them just because I like Anti & TTH, which obviously doesn't make them town.

I like Copper & Vettrock for scum. By PoE Tean would be scum and their recent play would absolutely support this given their dramatic change from D1 where they were a big town-read for me. BC for SK.

TL;DR - Copper & Vettrock are scum. Tean is probably scum (if not Tean, Heartless) and BC for SK.

PEdit - I chose Killa because I felt good they were town but not town enough that they would get killed and thus we would both die.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I really don't know anything about this set-up.

I don't care much for it either.

You & Vettrock are scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wow, what a shit vote.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I have also thought of other potential motivations behind it but I'm going to keep them

hidden

for now.

Might be the first time I've ever crumbed,

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Scum can't have a hider alive to have the chance of confirming another person as town.

Watch my wagon.

PEdit - I don't give a fuck about set-up.

Regardless of claims, you and Vettrock are fucking scummy.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, my recent play was shit. I'm not denying that, it shouldn't (read: doesn't) negate the rest of my play which I don't think has been bad.

I read my PM. I forgot the conditions it come with.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I really like Wicked's 1414, not sure how I missed that.

VOTE: Copper

[BlueBloodedToffee]

My apologies, I skimmed the thread so I must have missed it.

I really like Mastin's *insert post number here* (even though she is scum-reading me)

Better?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

1229 - Heartless, can you explain the town-read on Anen?

1234 - Copper, in 1189 you were scum-reading Heartless. Here, they are no longer in your scum-reads. How did that happen?

1236 - Nah, I just derped pretty badly. I was/am playing in too many games and it's massively effecting my ability to play well. My own fault really. I keep forgetting we're in an Open set-up, obviously you cannot be scum and vengeful, just a pretty bad derp from me.

1237 - Wait, so you see

some

remote things that Mastin might not be scum, you see

very, very few

where Tean isn't and then you vote me based on associatives? That's pretty weak.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You're not shooting anyone.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can you answer what I asked you as well please?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

1276 - Copper, if you thought I was scum why would you immediately sheep my vote?

1283 - This post genuinely made me laugh. Deserves a shout out.

1299 - I don't know how I didn't get lynched for this. This might be my worst game to date.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Sweet, have fun in the dead PT.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

i still think copper and vettrock's claims are a lot more believable than bbt's and i'm kind of baffled as to why mastin seems to think the opposite

You scum?

BBT said he was going to go back into hiding after whining about nobody wanting to help him kill Aneninen

Did he say this in the PT yall share??

You're scum-reading me? Since when? And why?

@Copper - Nah, I'll be alive. I'll try to nab the first post of the day to laugh at getting you lynched.

Copper/Tean/Heartless is prob scum-team. BC is SK.

Yeah, that sounds good.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Doing some VCA, and noticed this; now, you have to believe that I am telling the truth about being hider and that Killa is conf town.

davesaz

(7) -

Tean Samargo

, Mastin2,

Heartless

, beastcharizard, Wickedestjr, vettrock,

copper223

copper223 (3) -

BlueBloodedToffee, eyestott

beastcharizard (1) -

killapenwin

Tean Samargo (2) - Aneninen,

dodgy56

mastin2 (1) -

davesaz

Look how hard scum had to push to secure a mislynch. All the 'confirmed townies' are off the dave wagon.

Mastin, Wicked and Vettrock; look at this VC and tell me what you think.

I have noticed one or two other things as well but don't want to reveal them just yet.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Vettrock is probably town. You're right.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The only people I turned green were the conf town from my perspective.

You can't turn Vettrock green because you don't (read:shouldn't) know Vettrock's alignment.

I KNOW everybody I turned green is town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Your meta reasoning for your VCA is weak as fuck as well.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Haha, you know I got this Copper.

You might as well self-vote and get it over with.

I'm also not getting lynched toDay. That's clear as fuck.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Go for it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Thoughts on my VCA Heartless?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I dropped Anen as a scum-read earlier than my VCA IIRC...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

/shrug

you still just greened in whatever you claimed and made 3 names on the dave wagon red and said LOOK AT THIS NARRATIVE THAT TOTALLY COULD MAKE SENSE BUT DOESN'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE

you start w/ the premise that you're telling the truth, which......

i don't believe

Is that because you're scum?

The VCA will become useful should my flip occur at any point.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think it's broken.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You can't BS a BS'er.

Me thinks you're scum. I mean, I like you and all but, I have to lynch you.

Right after Copper.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You're not hammering then?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nothing to do with you being scum then?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BlueBloodedToffee (1) -

Heartless

Heartless (1) - beastcharizard
copper223 (5) - mastin2, vettrock, Wickedestjr, BlueBloodedToffee, Aneninen
beastcharizard (1) - killapenwin

Not Voting:

Tean Samargo

,

copper223

It's quite simple really, there is no CW because two scum are not voting.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I mean, you're pushing me Heartless and Copper is trying to say I'm scum so he is already set up to join my wagon if it builds.

So, it's not like scum aren't trying to get a CW going. You're just not doing a very good job of it. A 3rd scum member would help though, I'm sure. Keep reminding everyone we need to wait for a Tean replacement.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If you somehow flip town and shoot me you lose the game for town.

I'm telling you that right now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

He's speaking to me Anen.

He's doing really well selling that he is actually vengeful. I'm beginning to doubt myself.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'll lynch you happily now.

Thanks for that.

You know I'm town Copper. I can see it in your posts.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

FU.

Get lynched.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Do it.

Self-hammer and shoot me you fucking idiot.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Banned for nailing scum?

Nah, that's town's job.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why is Vettrock getting a free pass again?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can someone explain to me what Titus' claim means for set-up spec?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can someone explain better than Heartless just did?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Killa.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

i mean... seriously

hider is such an innocuous thing to crumb early on (just put "hide" "hidden" some permutation of that in a post)
and bbt didn't do it

I did.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

92 - Dodgy, I'm glad you picked up on this (Eyestott's buddying) because I was thinking the exact same thing. Certainly worth keeping an eye on. I have also thought of other potential motivations behind it but I'm going to keep them

hidden

for now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, you know. Given I had hardly been playing up to that point.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

In fact, I would say 293 was my first serious contribution.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Let's lynch Copper.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, I do.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Let's lynch Copper

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I wish I could somehow prove I'm town so we could lynch Copper.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Well then why not volunteer to be shot if Cooper flips town?

Because I'm town and that would be dumb?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can someone tell me why we're not lynching Copper?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I knew Copper was scum.

I usually town-read him pretty easily and I couldn't this game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yes, lynch Copper.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

We should lynch him before a replacement is found.