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In post 24, dodgy56 wrote:this game will be interesting for me. ive played mafia on forums elsewhere but this will be my first game here. so forgive me if i dont really understand your meta.
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In post 54, killapenwin wrote:I see we have all just descended into throwing out random votes with no explanation, I was just about to vote on dodgy and with the same reasoning but that damn vettrock beat me to it. Either that or he is playing Jedi mind tricks on me, which would be rather devious of him. I am watching you little green dwarf.
So youre criticizing people for giving a lack of explanation in RVS, then say you were just about to vote dodgy for the same reasoning someone else gave?
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In post 54, killapenwin wrote:I see we have all just descended into throwing out random votes with no explanation, I was just about to vote on dodgy and with the same reasoning but that damn vettrock beat me to it. Either that or he is playing Jedi mind tricks on me, which would be rather devious of him. I am watching you little green dwarf.
In post 70, dodgy56 wrote:In post 66, eyestott wrote:In post 24, dodgy56 wrote:this game will be interesting for me. ive played mafia on forums elsewhere but this will be my first game here. so forgive me if i dont really understand your meta.
Hey dodgy, you should probably get an avatar.
Cool, cool cool cool
I love it.
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Disregard 1st quote.
By the way, dodgy:
at the top of each post it says ISO.
If you click that, you can read through all of that users posts.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 76, davesaz wrote:If you want to look at two players together, a similar function can be found at the bottom of the page. Use the "display posts by user" pulldown to select player 1, then hit the [+] and you'll get another pulldown to select player 2.
What.
Thank you.
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Heres why I chose this game:
Most people prefer to scumhunt in the conventional way. Some players use meta a lot to scumhunt. Others, including myself, use role-related and setup-related points mainly for scumhunting.
This setup has so much variance, which is what drew me to the game. I am viewing this setup as closer to a logic puzzle than other mafia setups, as a large amount of players hold small pieces of information about the setup.
I am a late game player. Ill still scum hunt in the conventional way, but when i make cases, please place more weight on my role-related arguments than my conventional arguments.
Now, as for how we should approach this game, setup-wise, The VTs (no comment on whether I am one or not) have no information, but after our first lynch, we will be able to gradually narrow down what possible setups the game could be.
After each death, I will analyse the information, and share what new information we know about the setup. Others are welcome to do the same analysis, though. Anyways, Ill be replying to KP now.
By the way, heres how much experience I have with each of the players:
Killa: 1 newbie game where I was a scum.
Heartless: same newbie with Anti, he was town.
dodgy: 1 game on Playdip where I was a scum.
mastin: the same newbie game, she was town. I also played in her Hilariously Unbalanced game, where I was town.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 88, killapenwin wrote:In post 67, eyestott wrote:In post 54, killapenwin wrote:I see we have all just descended into throwing out random votes with no explanation, I was just about to vote on dodgy and with the same reasoning but that damn vettrock beat me to it. Either that or he is playing Jedi mind tricks on me, which would be rather devious of him. I am watching you little green dwarf.
So youre criticizing people for giving a lack of explanation in RVS, then say you were just about to vote dodgy for the same reasoning someone else gave?
VOTE: Killapenwin.
1: @eyestott: You mean me pointing out what everyone is doing and then saying I not going to because someone already posted the thing I was going to say to join in with the random voting?
2: You seem pretty quick to throw a vote on me without even questioning me first, I see that as more scummy than town.
3:I am not sure if people even know what a haiku is and at this stage of the game I don't think anyone is going to have a strong read on Tean's alignment after 2 posts. So no, I do not know if Tean is scum or not but similarly to Eyestott I wouldn't look favourably on Tean's were to continue his vote on me simply for his lack of reasoning.
4: Clearly any attempt at banter I have tried to make has failed miserably so I will just be serious from now on.
1: I didnt understand this. Why should what other people are doing in RVS prevent you from doing things?
2: We were barely out of RVS at that time. My vote was only slightly serious, but having seen your response, I'm happy with it. Why is it scummy, and better yet, if you think I'm scummy, why arent you voting me? I actually find you scummy for just calling me scummy, but doing nothing. Its passive aggressive behaviour, which is pretty scummy.
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Both of your scumreads (which you havent voted) are on people who have voted you. Additionally, youre passing off Tean's vote as one with a "lack of reasoning". And again with passive aggressiveness, but this time its masking a threat.
4: Where have you made "banter"? Or are you trying to pass off scummy behavior as banter?
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In post 104, davesaz wrote:@eyestott: What prompted you to post your history info?
Just in case people wanted to know who has had experience with me, and who hasnt.
P.Edit: dodgy, why is that?In post 87, dodgy56 wrote:In post 84, Heartless wrote:eyestott's another good vote
why?
if you are going to say someone is worth a vote you need to convince us of it
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In post 111, dodgy56 wrote:@eyestott- your early interaction with me mainly, it was helpful but came across as buddying fmpov. and i think killapenwin's arguments against you (in paticular point 2) are quite valid.
(plus i noticed i was one of only 2 people not voting at this point so felt like i should place a vote on the person who i felt was scummiest) my vote isnt necessarily a great one but with the limited content in thread atm, its my best read.
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In post 111, dodgy56 wrote:@eyestott- your early interaction with me mainly, it was helpful but came across as buddying fmpov. and i think killapenwin's arguments against you (in paticular point 2) are quite valid.
(plus i noticed i was one of only 2 people not voting at this point so felt like i should place a vote on the person who i felt was scummiest) my vote isnt necessarily a great one but with the limited content in thread atm, its my best read.
As for point 2, other people have placed votes without questioning.
For instance, YOUR VOTE ON ME.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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Dodgy: Post 66 and Post 73 were purely strategy related things, which is a null-tell.
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In post 122, dodgy56 wrote:
i dont trust you on that at all. why do you think he is scum?
Dave is a player i would consider voting right now but i want to know what your case against him is.
dodgy, mastin is just as (If not more) experienced at mafia as the likes of sjg and Crunkus. She cant fully explain, because it would be against the rules (I think because of the "no talking about ongoing games" rule).Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 126, dodgy56 wrote:In post 125, eyestott wrote:In post 122, dodgy56 wrote:
i dont trust you on that at all. why do you think he is scum?
Dave is a player i would consider voting right now but i want to know what your case against him is.
dodgy, mastin is just as (If not more) experienced at mafia as the likes of sjg and Crunkus. She cant fully explain, because it would be against the rules (I think because of the "no talking about ongoing games" rule).
being experienced doesnt mean i should blindly trust him. so far i dont have any idea why she thinks dave is scum.. let alone a full explanation
I'm just saying that technically she can't give any reasons yet.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 127, eyestott wrote:In post 126, dodgy56 wrote:In post 125, eyestott wrote:In post 122, dodgy56 wrote:
i dont trust you on that at all. why do you think he is scum?
Dave is a player i would consider voting right now but i want to know what your case against him is.
dodgy, mastin is just as (If not more) experienced at mafia as the likes of sjg and Crunkus. She cant fully explain, because it would be against the rules (I think because of the "no talking about ongoing games" rule).
being experienced doesnt mean i should blindly trust him. so far i dont have any idea why she thinks dave is scum.. let alone a full explanation
I'm just saying that technically she can't give any reasons yet.
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In post 129, davesaz wrote:In post 121, mastin2 wrote:Mostly skimming right now.
There are a couple of reads that I want to get to, but I'm not sure how to go about it. Basically, I want to hold back on giving the info, yet not actually forget what the reads are, but don't want to run afoul of mod rules or what I say being transparently obvious, to let the read develop for a little while longer. I'm coming up on a bit of a blank. Let's just say I basically have thoughts on almost every player in the game right now, albeit mostly weak. I'm really struggling to think what to do about most of it, but I will reiterate this:
Dave is scum. You can trust me on that.
I wouldn't trust anyone who claims to have a read on so little information.
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In post 132, davesaz wrote:
QFT. No information.
@mastin: If you're using the observation that I've flipped town in every game to predict I'm scum here, remember that dice have no memory. BTW is there a record for longest streak rolling town on this site?
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In post 145, killapenwin wrote:In post 107, eyestott wrote:In post 88, killapenwin wrote:In post 67, eyestott wrote:In post 54, killapenwin wrote:I see we have all just descended into throwing out random votes with no explanation, I was just about to vote on dodgy and with the same reasoning but that damn vettrock beat me to it. Either that or he is playing Jedi mind tricks on me, which would be rather devious of him. I am watching you little green dwarf.
So youre criticizing people for giving a lack of explanation in RVS, then say you were just about to vote dodgy for the same reasoning someone else gave?
VOTE: Killapenwin.
1: @eyestott: You mean me pointing out what everyone is doing and then saying I not going to because someone already posted the thing I was going to say to join in with the random voting?
2: You seem pretty quick to throw a vote on me without even questioning me first, I see that as more scummy than town.
3:I am not sure if people even know what a haiku is and at this stage of the game I don't think anyone is going to have a strong read on Tean's alignment after 2 posts. So no, I do not know if Tean is scum or not but similarly to Eyestott I wouldn't look favourably on Tean's were to continue his vote on me simply for his lack of reasoning.
4: Clearly any attempt at banter I have tried to make has failed miserably so I will just be serious from now on.
1: I didnt understand this. Why should what other people are doing in RVS prevent you from doing things?
2: We were barely out of RVS at that time. My vote was only slightly serious, but having seen your response, I'm happy with it. Why is it scummy, and better yet, if you think I'm scummy, why arent you voting me? I actually find you scummy for just calling me scummy, but doing nothing. Its passive aggressive behaviour, which is pretty scummy.
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Both of your scumreads (which you havent voted) are on people who have voted you. Additionally, youre passing off Tean's vote as one with a "lack of reasoning". And again with passive aggressiveness, but this time its masking a threat.
4: Where have you made "banter"? Or are you trying to pass off scummy behavior as banter?
"Nah guys, when i said that, i was just joking!"
1. As I said he posted what I was going to throw out as joke vote as that seemed to be what the rest of you were doing at that stage.
2. Your vote on me looked like it was intended to start a bandwagon (it put me in the lead) and you never quizzed me you just decided to put me ahead of everyone else and as it had little reasoning I thought it was scummy.
3. I only get 1 vote and would like to use it wisely so I will put it on who I feel deserves to be voted for. 'Revenge voting' can also look scummy, too.
I would rather put my vote out there with a reason as to why I am voting that way than to not.
When you don't give a reason you deny that person and others the chance to challenge your vote, if we allow this to happen it gives scum a much higher chance of hiding behind poor reasoned votes. It is better for town to have as much info as possible to work on.
4. I tried a little bit with 'jedi mind tricks' post but like I say those posts were poorly received so I stopped.
Okay then.UNVOTE:Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 139, copper223 wrote:@Dave
If you're not worried about Mastin's vote why do you keep mentioning it and have already decided it was based on nothing/it's a reaction test?
@Eyestott
why do you think dodge is leaning scum on you for being mister nice guy?
Well, I was nice (so nice I apparently made someone uncomfortable) in my scum game at playdip. This is a null tell for me, though.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 149, dodgy56 wrote:In post 128, eyestott wrote:In post 127, eyestott wrote:In post 126, dodgy56 wrote:In post 125, eyestott wrote:In post 122, dodgy56 wrote:
i dont trust you on that at all. why do you think he is scum?
Dave is a player i would consider voting right now but i want to know what your case against him is.
dodgy, mastin is just as (If not more) experienced at mafia as the likes of sjg and Crunkus. She cant fully explain, because it would be against the rules (I think because of the "no talking about ongoing games" rule).
being experienced doesnt mean i should blindly trust him. so far i dont have any idea why she thinks dave is scum.. let alone a full explanation
I'm just saying that technically she can't give any reasons yet.
When she does give her reasons though, they better make damn good sense.
this seems like a bit of a backdown? it seems like you dont want to be seen defending mastin. you go from being certain as to her motive to trying to downplay that certainty. its concerning
I'm not backing down f m anything. If mastin gives good reasons for the post, good. But if her reasons suck, it's where I'll vote.
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In post 150, Wickedestjr wrote:In post 102, eyestott wrote:Heres why I chose this game:
Most people prefer to scumhunt in the conventional way. Some players use meta a lot to scumhunt. Others, including myself, use role-related and setup-related points mainly for scumhunting.
This setup has so much variance, which is what drew me to the game. I am viewing this setup as closer to a logic puzzle than other mafia setups, as a large amount of players hold small pieces of information about the setup.
I am a late game player. Ill still scum hunt in the conventional way, but when i make cases, please place more weight on my role-related arguments than my conventional arguments.
What is your reason/purpose for saying this? For the record, I think we will be in conventional scum hunting phase for at least two game days, depending on the number of Ts.
In post 125, eyestott wrote:In post 122, dodgy56 wrote:
i dont trust you on that at all. why do you think he is scum?
Dave is a player i would consider voting right now but i want to know what your case against him is.
dodgy, mastin is just as (If not more) experienced at mafia as the likes of sjg and Crunkus.She cant fully explain, because it would be against the rules (I think because of the "no talking about ongoing games" rule).
Why are you making this assumption? While you could be right, there is no evidence for your assumption and at least one other reason why mastin wouldn't want to out her reads yet. I don't like this: feels like you're too quick to defend mastin here.
1: So it wouldnt be a surprise when I start switching from conventionally scumhunting during the early game to role-based scumhunting in the late game.
2: I couldnt think of another rule that could apply.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 159, Wickedestjr wrote:eyestott;
-Potential buddying of dodgy and mastin.
-His conventional vs. role-related scum hunting reflection post feels like he is excusing himself to not scum hunt much/well now. I don't see a town motive for the post.
-I don't like the penwin mini wagon and he is a part of it.
- Being nice is hardly alignment indicative. I mean, sure, scum do it. But town do it to, especially when theyre legitimately just trying to be nice. My niceness in mafia stems from an aversion to conflict.
- What? I specifically said that Ill still scumhunt early game.
- After Penwins post, ive changed my read on him, but do you not like the mini wagon because you think Penwin is town, or because you think the reasons are bad?Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 169, davesaz wrote:In post 155, mastin2 wrote:
Remember how I said I was 90% serious?In post 134, davesaz wrote:TBH, my bet is "reaction test". So I'm not all that concerned about it really.
The other 10% was the reaction test. (Okay, so to be fair, it's probably better to say I was 60% serious and 40% reaction-testing, and exaggerating the number for the sake of furthering the reaction test, butstill, you get the idea.)
But I was serious then, and am even MORE serious now. My other reads are fluid. As in, they're massively flowing in my mind and I haven't nailed them down quite yet. (I'll try at some time in the immediate future.) But dave? Dave IS scum. I'm not sure if I'm going to really be able to explain it. Like, I can explain the basic not-very-well-based reasoning for the original read easily enough; it was just so plain compared to the other more interesting confirms that I figured "probably just scum who got it out of the way". The weakest of weak possible reasons, thus one reason why I hold onto said reasoning and not explain it immediately. (Because if people knew how weak it was, I'd lose the reactions.)
SINCE then, though, there's plenty more that's much stronger. Like, all of it, really. As in, basically everything dave says, I think, "yep, scum". I'm not sure I can really find the words for it. They're not coherent. But dave has done nothing but scumposting. While, yes, I was originally reaction-testing him, and while, yes, my original reasoning was weak, since then, the read has grown stronger off of much stronger reasoning. I'm just trying to figure out how to make that come across as more than just gibberish right now.
But he's scum. You can trust me on that.
No, I haven't tossed a single newbscumtell. I'm a brutally honest VT, and you're an idiot.
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In post 186, dodgy56 wrote:In post 185, eyestott wrote:In post 149, dodgy56 wrote:
this seems like a bit of a backdown? it seems like you dont want to be seen defending mastin. you go from being certain as to her motive to trying to downplay that certainty. its concerning
I'm not backing down f m anything. If mastin gives good reasons for the post, good. But if her reasons suck, it's where I'll vote.
I wasn't "certain" of her motive.
your early posts seem to suggest that you are certain (whether that was what you meant or not i cant say, im just telling you how it read fmpov). They dont have any sort of quantifying measure in the statements. Can you appreciate why im reading it the way i am?
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In post 145, killapenwin wrote:In post 107, eyestott wrote:In post 88, killapenwin wrote:In post 67, eyestott wrote:In post 54, killapenwin wrote:I see we have all just descended into throwing out random votes with no explanation, I was just about to vote on dodgy and with the same reasoning but that damn vettrock beat me to it. Either that or he is playing Jedi mind tricks on me, which would be rather devious of him. I am watching you little green dwarf.
So youre criticizing people for giving a lack of explanation in RVS, then say you were just about to vote dodgy for the same reasoning someone else gave?
VOTE: Killapenwin.
1: @eyestott: You mean me pointing out what everyone is doing and then saying I not going to because someone already posted the thing I was going to say to join in with the random voting?
2: You seem pretty quick to throw a vote on me without even questioning me first, I see that as more scummy than town.
3:I am not sure if people even know what a haiku is and at this stage of the game I don't think anyone is going to have a strong read on Tean's alignment after 2 posts. So no, I do not know if Tean is scum or not but similarly to Eyestott I wouldn't look favourably on Tean's were to continue his vote on me simply for his lack of reasoning.
4: Clearly any attempt at banter I have tried to make has failed miserably so I will just be serious from now on.
1: I didnt understand this. Why should what other people are doing in RVS prevent you from doing things?
2: We were barely out of RVS at that time. My vote was only slightly serious, but having seen your response, I'm happy with it. Why is it scummy, and better yet, if you think I'm scummy, why arent you voting me? I actually find you scummy for just calling me scummy, but doing nothing. Its passive aggressive behaviour, which is pretty scummy.
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Both of your scumreads (which you havent voted) are on people who have voted you. Additionally, youre passing off Tean's vote as one with a "lack of reasoning". And again with passive aggressiveness, but this time its masking a threat.
4: Where have you made "banter"? Or are you trying to pass off scummy behavior as banter?
"Nah guys, when i said that, i was just joking!"
1. As I said he posted what I was going to throw out as joke vote as that seemed to be what the rest of you were doing at that stage.
2. Your vote on me looked like it was intended to start a bandwagon (it put me in the lead) and you never quizzed me you just decided to put me ahead of everyone else and as it had little reasoning I thought it was scummy.
3. I only get 1 vote and would like to use it wisely so I will put it on who I feel deserves to be voted for. 'Revenge voting' can also look scummy, too.
I would rather put my vote out there with a reason as to why I am voting that way than to not.
When you don't give a reason you deny that person and others the chance to challenge your vote, if we allow this to happen it gives scum a much higher chance of hiding behind poor reasoned votes. It is better for town to have as much info as possible to work on.
4. I tried a little bit with 'jedi mind tricks' post but like I say those posts were poorly received so I stopped.
Point 2 and Point 3 really look like theyre coming from a town mindset.
I can see why he though my vote was bad, as it put him in the lead, and had little reasoning even though I dont think he realised it was a predominantly RVS vote.
I also liked his point where he says that he wants to use it wisely and that just OMGUSing is not what he wanted to do.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 198, davesaz wrote:You're welcome to lynch me if you think it's the right thing. I know it would be a mistake for town
In post 199, davesaz wrote:I strongly considered self voting.
You're at L-2. If you really think that your lynch is bad, why on earth would you consider self voting?
I'd vote you, but you're at L-2 and we still have plenty of time, and a vote from me might:
Make you self-vote like youve strongly considered
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In post 199, davesaz wrote:In post 195, eyestott wrote:
Why are you claiming already? What pro-town reason would you have for revealing you're a VT?
Partially answered in 172. I don't really have a reason, other than being quite angry at the time.
I have self censored a couple of posts since then.
I strongly considered self voting.
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Oh yeah, now that its at L-3 again, Ill VOTE: davesaz, until he stops being my top scumread.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 212, dodgy56 wrote:In post 211, eyestott wrote:Oh yeah, now that its at L-3 again, Ill VOTE: davesaz, until he stops being my top scumread.
did you read anything at all that copper or i wrote on dave and why he is looking less scummy? this vote isnt helping my perception of you. What do you make of how the bandwagons on killa and dave have developed and/or collapsed?
also
UNVOTE:
I figured that since I had literally just said that I'd be voting him if not for the amount of votes on him. It changes, so I changed my vote.
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Havent read up, Ive had a busy day. Going out to a dinner soon, and Ill be back in 5-ish hours. X post for most of my games.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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Sorry, I thought I would have more time. I got back later than expected, and its now 11:22.
However, why is my dave vote a sheep? I provided new reasons, not just copying others.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 219, Aneninen wrote:Eyestott – I don't understand why he jumped on the wagon in 211. May be scum, but he's not the most possible one.
In post 222, killapenwin wrote:3) eyestott - (null leaning scum) I don't feel I can be impartial given that we have already butted heads a little but I think his actions rather than his posts have been poor such as jumping on bandwagons as placeholder votes, which at such an early stage I don't think is very good.
In post 231, Tean Samargo wrote:@eyestott
I find your vote on dav as rather opportunistic. I feel a little bit uncomfortable with my vote along side yours honestly. Right now it feels as if you are sheeping the biggest bandwagon.
I gave reasons for my vote. Why can't I give reasons and vote on my top scumread without it being "sheeping" simply because of how many other people are voting him for different reasons?
In post 226, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 224, dodgy56 wrote:
so you are absent from the thread for 48 hours and when you come back this is your only contribution? a meaningless piece of drivel?
like seriously?
if you are town lift you game because at the moment you arent helping anyone. all you are doing is making it easier for scum to lurk.
How do you know I'm not scum lurking?
VOTE: Dodgy
Wow.
In post 249, Wickedestjr wrote:In post 193, eyestott wrote:In post 150, Wickedestjr wrote:What is your reason/purpose for saying this? For the record, I think we will be in conventional scum hunting phase for at least two game days, depending on the number of Ts.
Why are you making this assumption? While you could be right, there is no evidence for your assumption and at least one other reason why mastin wouldn't want to out her reads yet. I don't like this: feels like you're too quick to defend mastin here.
1: So it wouldnt be a surprise when I start switching from conventionally scumhunting during the early game to role-based scumhunting in the late game.
2: I couldnt think of another rule that could apply.
1: That’s an odd thing for you to be concerned about now.
2: If you made that assumption “because you couldn’t think of another motive”, then why did you also say;
In post 185, eyestott wrote:I'm not backing down f m anything. If mastin gives good reasons for the post, good. But if her reasons suck, it's where I'll vote.
I wasn't "certain" of her motive.
? Seems contradictory. Why make an assumption about mastin if you weren't certain to begin with?
1: Well, I am an odd person XD
2: I couldnt think of one, but that doesnt mean that I didnt think there might be one. I'm not certain of anything, except my role.
In post 194, eyestott wrote:- Being nice is hardly alignment indicative. I mean, sure, scum do it. But town do it to, especially when theyre legitimately just trying to be nice. My niceness in mafia stems from an aversion to conflict.
- After Penwins post, ive changed my read on him, but do you not like the mini wagon because you think Penwin is town, or because you think the reasons are bad?
- I can respect that. But I am somewhat hesitant to take your word for it, because I’ve never played with you before. If you could provide an example of you exhibiting similar behavior as town, then I’d probably drop this point.
- It’s a combination of the two, but mostly because I think Penwin is town. Also, I think he’s an easier target given his lack of experience.
Spoiler: niceness
In post 207, eyestott wrote:Point 2 and Point 3 really look like theyre coming from a town mindset.
I can see why he though my vote was bad, as it put him in the lead, and had little reasoning even though I dont think he realisedit was a predominantly RVS vote.
I also liked his point where he says that he wants to use it wisely and that just OMGUSing is not what he wanted to do.
This feels like a slight backpedal (possibly to help justify your vote switch). Rereading your post 67, nothing about it feels jokey, you pointed out a contradiction and voted.
Not a backpedal, Ive said before that my vote was only slightly serious, and this was before switching.
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In post 287, killapenwin wrote:@eyestott it is because your votes so far have just followed Tean's, which looks a bit sheepish. Also, Tean has only voted on players that have been voted on already so either him or you (maybe both) are trying to create bandwagons or give them some momentum in my opinion.
As Aneninen said, it is odd that Tean would call you out for sheeping when he himself is being a catalyst for bandwagons.
Just because my votes happen to be the same as teans doesn't mean it's anything to do with it.
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In post 296, vettrock wrote:In post 278, eyestott wrote:
It's something I do as town and scum in games where I dont know most of the players, I guess. These ones all came from town-me.
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Scum me.
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Pulling your own meta, and showing you do things as scum as town, Especially to the point of pulling scum quote and town quotes, seems to be a little too focused ond manipulating and tracking their own meta. I would say slightly scummy, but more it mean you doing any kind of meta on eyestott is worthless as he is actively manipulating it.
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In post 307, dodgy56 wrote:In post 295, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:121 -
In post 122, dodgy56 wrote:
Dave is a player i would consider voting right now but i want to know what your case against him is.
This looks like 'Give me a reason to vote Dave.' Don't like it.
In post 147, dodgy56 wrote:there's definiteyl something weird going on in the mastin-eyestott-dave interaction.
Yeah, elaborate on this?
i already answered the first part. my read on dave was independent of what mastin's read was. i was trying to use mastin's read on dave to get a read on mastin.
the 2nd part.
mastin was certain dave was scum- eyestott defended that read in a way which was weird, and seemed too certain of the reasoning when no reasons had been included. Eyestott then backed down and tried to down play it. Then we also have eyestott's vote which only came once dave had dropped down from L-2- even though eyestott was scumreading him before that.
My read on dave has been lessened by the way the wagon built up on dave
VOTE: eyestott seems the scummiest to me atm- all this plus include his buddying of me earlier, his role in the killapenwin bandwagon and the dave bandwagon.
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In post 317, dodgy56 wrote:In post 316, eyestott wrote:In post 307, dodgy56 wrote:In post 295, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:121 -
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Dave is a player i would consider voting right now but i want to know what your case against him is.
This looks like 'Give me a reason to vote Dave.' Don't like it.
In post 147, dodgy56 wrote:there's definiteyl something weird going on in the mastin-eyestott-dave interaction.
Yeah, elaborate on this?
i already answered the first part. my read on dave was independent of what mastin's read was. i was trying to use mastin's read on dave to get a read on mastin.
the 2nd part.
mastin was certain dave was scum- eyestott defended that read in a way which was weird, and seemed too certain of the reasoning when no reasons had been included. Eyestott then backed down and tried to down play it. Then we also have eyestott's vote which only came once dave had dropped down from L-2- even though eyestott was scumreading him before that.
My read on dave has been lessened by the way the wagon built up on dave
VOTE: eyestott seems the scummiest to me atm- all this plus include his buddying of me earlier, his role in the killapenwin bandwagon and the dave bandwagon.
When he was at L-2, I decided not to put him at L-1 ONLY for the reason that he had already said that he was considering self-voting, and I had no wish for him to end the day early.
yes but if you felt he was scum why was that an issue? lynching scum is good. Moreover it would have been a good test, you find out if he is actually bluffing, and more importantly if he doesnt self-vote but someone hammers on him, it provides good data. You obviously felt fairly confident in your read on him as you voted him as soon as you realised he wasnt at l-2 anymore.. so why wasnt that confidence there when he was on L-2?
Because it would end the day way too early. Why not get as much information as we can?
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In post 319, dodgy56 wrote:
sometimes ending the day early might actually provide more information. it might mean that the scum havent had time to get organised and hide their votes like they do towards the end of the day. note im not saying that we should just be ending the day straight away. you point out some fairly obvious points such as that if we get it wrong and mislynch after 3 days when we might have been able to talk and come to a better lynch is not optimal. im just saying that an early end to the day is not as bad as you seem to be suggesting. Also for the record the sole reason you didnt vote dave originally is that he was at L-2? correct? Was that because of how early in the day it was? or because you didnt want someone at L-1?
Correct. Both. Mainly the first option, as having someone at L-1 is only dangerous if there is someone who might quickhammer, in this case, himself.
Do you think It would have been more pro-town of me to put someone who has contemplated Self-voting at L-1?
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In post 321, dodgy56 wrote:In post 320, eyestott wrote:In post 319, dodgy56 wrote:
sometimes ending the day early might actually provide more information. it might mean that the scum havent had time to get organised and hide their votes like they do towards the end of the day. note im not saying that we should just be ending the day straight away. you point out some fairly obvious points such as that if we get it wrong and mislynch after 3 days when we might have been able to talk and come to a better lynch is not optimal. im just saying that an early end to the day is not as bad as you seem to be suggesting. Also for the record the sole reason you didnt vote dave originally is that he was at L-2? correct? Was that because of how early in the day it was? or because you didnt want someone at L-1?
Correct. Both. Mainly the first option, as having someone at L-1 is only dangerous if there is someone who might quickhammer, in this case, himself.
Do you think It would have been more pro-town of me to put someone who has contemplated Self-voting at L-1?
Yes or no?
do you really think as scum he would have selfvoted at L-1? im trying to work out whether you are being sincere here or whether you just didnt want to be vote 6 on him, as you know his allignment? it could easily be distancing, l-1 puts him in real danger if he is your buddy, L-2 is safer. it could be that you dont want to be vote 6 on a townie. idk.
would your vote stay there now if i voted dave and pushed him to L-1 or would you unvote?
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In post 321, dodgy56 wrote:In post 320, eyestott wrote:In post 319, dodgy56 wrote:
sometimes ending the day early might actually provide more information. it might mean that the scum havent had time to get organised and hide their votes like they do towards the end of the day. note im not saying that we should just be ending the day straight away. you point out some fairly obvious points such as that if we get it wrong and mislynch after 3 days when we might have been able to talk and come to a better lynch is not optimal. im just saying that an early end to the day is not as bad as you seem to be suggesting. Also for the record the sole reason you didnt vote dave originally is that he was at L-2? correct? Was that because of how early in the day it was? or because you didnt want someone at L-1?
Correct. Both. Mainly the first option, as having someone at L-1 is only dangerous if there is someone who might quickhammer, in this case, himself.
Do you think It would have been more pro-town of me to put someone who has contemplated Self-voting at L-1?
Yes or no?
do you really think as scum he would have selfvoted at L-1? im trying to work out whether you are being sincere here or whether you just didnt want to be vote 6 on him, as you know his allignment? it could easily be distancing, l-1 puts him in real danger if he is your buddy, L-2 is safer. it could be that you dont want to be vote 6 on a townie. idk.
would your vote stay there now if i voted dave and pushed him to L-1 or would you unvote?
I honestly dont know what he would have done as either alignment. Self voting is playing against your wincon, regardless of alignment, and yet he has contemplated it. If I were buddies with him, and I wanted him to survive, why would I then bus him? Also, information can be gained by seeing who places the hammer vote. Especially at such an early point, the person who hammers is basically saying "I am so sure this person is scum that I'd be willing to bet the rest of the day". Placing someone at L-1 while they are willing to self vote removes this opportunity for information.
Now that he has calmed down, and does not show an intention to self vote, no, I wouldnt unvote if you put him at L-1.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 323, dodgy56 wrote:it depends on the confidence of your read. if you strongly believe he is scum then you should be voting him. if not then you shouldnt. but its your later vote that is making this hard for me to find sincere
In post 217, dodgy56 wrote:so far i dont see how anyone can have astrong readon anyone either way. If anyone has a strong town or scum read, please explain why. FMPOV having weak reads at this point is fine. id rather people have weak reads that are logical and that i can follow than supposed strong reads that havent been explained.
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What possible point could dave be trying to make? In my opinion, that only applies later in the game, and considering tht if he's, town, he's a VT, I don't see why he would have a good reason to self vote, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't.
There's a huge difference here between putting someone at L-2 and L-1 and actually hammering them.
Each requires a larger amount of confidence than the previous one.
I'm not going to keep repeating myself. I wasn't confident enough in him to put him at L-1 but I was confident enough to place him at L-2, where even if he did self vote, another player would need to vote too.
That's the reason I was prepared to put him at l-2 but not l-1.
I mean, placing the first vote on someone is completely different to placing the hammer, yeah?
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Why would you lynch over 273? What am I missing?Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 342, copper223 wrote:@BBT
I found Tean's vote opportunistic because he switched from Killa to Dave without much interaction with the wagon beforehand and only after more than one player expressed his like of Killa, so he went from possibly town to leaning scum, I deemed voting him before he could give his opinion on the matter and without really knowing if my read on Dave was correct to be premature.
It was the same thing you did in a smaller timeframe, mt catch-up and impressions.
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I am reviewing the latest pages and it looks like Dodgy is trying to bury Eyestott, because no matter the answer (and often I actually agree with Dodgy's pov but that's not the point) he argues the opposite.
This is something I've just noticed too. Especially with the refusal to give a straight answer to my "if I had put dave at L-1, would that have been better?" question. It seems as if I'm damned if I do, damned if I dont.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 347, beastcharizard wrote:In post 342, copper223 wrote:I am reviewing the latest pages and it looks like Dodgy is trying to bury Eyestott, because no matter the answer (and often I actually agree with Dodgy's pov but that's not the point) he argues the opposite.
What do you mean trying to bury them? Your word choice is confusing to me.
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In post 362, copper223 wrote:but you are attacking him for basically every post he has written.
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Dodgy: On the surface, your play looks abit similar to Fable 6, but I've realised that there is nothing I can say that will change your views of me. Besides, you didnt tunnel in Fable, and coming from that game, you should know how much fire townies (Telleo comes to mind) can come under from being one of the last people on a lynch. Throughout my conversations with with you in this game, It looks as if you might be trying to convince everyone I'm scum because you know me, and hardly anyone else does. It looks as though your determined to scumread me, and the reasons come later.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 364, dodgy56 wrote:In post 362, copper223 wrote:@Dodgy
I said I agree withsomeof your points, in particular I don't like his l-2 is less significant than l-1 which is less significant than hammer, if you vote a guy you want to lynch him, unless you are clearly doing it to pressure that player, the position on the wagon is irrelevant, but you are attacking him for basically every post he has written.
fair enough. he is still my top scum read though. i probably am tunelling on him a bit. i dont think its a conscious thing though. probably partly because he is the one player i have experience with before this game.
Well, you dont see me tunnelling you, or mastin, or penwin (that was for a few posts) even though I have one completed game with each of you.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 376, dodgy56 wrote:In post 374, eyestott wrote:In post 362, copper223 wrote:but you are attacking him for basically every post he has written.
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Dodgy: On the surface, your play looks abit similar to Fable 6, but I've realised that there is nothing I can say that will change your views of me. Besides, you didnt tunnel in Fable, and coming from that game, you should know how much fire townies (Telleo comes to mind) can come under from being one of the last people on a lynch. Throughout my conversations with with you in this game, It looks as if you might be trying to convince everyone I'm scum because you know me, and hardly anyone else does. It looks as though your determined to scumread me, and the reasons come later.
actually i probably did tunnel in fable. look at my interaction with TBO and Telleo. i was wrong there, and its certainly possible im wrong here
You did? It didnt really seem so to me, as you ended day 1 on condude. Day 1 was only 4 days, and you managed to scumhunt more than just those few in that time, yet youve spent much more time on me than anuone else.
dodgy56 wrote:In post 375, eyestott wrote:In post 364, dodgy56 wrote:In post 362, copper223 wrote:@Dodgy
I said I agree withsomeof your points, in particular I don't like his l-2 is less significant than l-1 which is less significant than hammer, if you vote a guy you want to lynch him, unless you are clearly doing it to pressure that player, the position on the wagon is irrelevant, but you are attacking him for basically every post he has written.
fair enough. he is still my top scum read though. i probably am tunelling on him a bit. i dont think its a conscious thing though. probably partly because he is the one player i have experience with before this game.
Well, you dont see me tunnelling you, or mastin, or penwin (that was for a few posts) even though I have one completed game with each of you.
no one accused you of tunneling. that was me reflecting on criticism of me that was justified.
I'm saying that just because I'm the only player you know doesnt mean you should "tunnel" me. My vote has been on someone I haven't played with before for most of the game.
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In post 376, dodgy56 wrote:In post 374, eyestott wrote:In post 362, copper223 wrote:but you are attacking him for basically every post he has written.
^^
Dodgy: On the surface, your play looks abit similar to Fable 6, but I've realised that there is nothing I can say that will change your views of me. Besides, you didnt tunnel in Fable, and coming from that game, you should know how much fire townies (Telleo comes to mind) can come under from being one of the last people on a lynch. Throughout my conversations with with you in this game, It looks as if you might be trying to convince everyone I'm scum because you know me, and hardly anyone else does. It looks as though your determined to scumread me, and the reasons come later.
actually i probably did tunnel in fable. look at my interaction with TBO and Telleo. i was wrong there, and its certainly possible im wrong here
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In post 380, dodgy56 wrote:In post 378, eyestott wrote:In post 376, dodgy56 wrote:In post 374, eyestott wrote:In post 362, copper223 wrote:but you are attacking him for basically every post he has written.
^^
Dodgy: On the surface, your play looks abit similar to Fable 6, but I've realised that there is nothing I can say that will change your views of me. Besides, you didnt tunnel in Fable, and coming from that game, you should know how much fire townies (Telleo comes to mind) can come under from being one of the last people on a lynch. Throughout my conversations with with you in this game, It looks as if you might be trying to convince everyone I'm scum because you know me, and hardly anyone else does. It looks as though your determined to scumread me, and the reasons come later.
actually i probably did tunnel in fable. look at my interaction with TBO and Telleo. i was wrong there, and its certainly possible im wrong here
You did? It didnt really seem so to me, as you ended day 1 on condude. Day 1 was only 4 days, and you managed to scumhunt more than just those few in that time, yet youve spent much more time on me than anuone else.
have a look at my d3 though, the tunneling there was horrible. and yeah its easier to scum hunt on playdip than here. deadlines being shorter means more is expected of you each 24 hour period. so you get more to go on. you dont really get people who go afk for 2-3 days
Its not Day 3 yet, though. I'd have to disagree that its easier on playdip. And you do get afkers:
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I'm leaning scum on you.
Wait no. I think you are scum. Id say youre my second scum read.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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Yes. If dave flips scum, id probably think youre not his scumbuddy, so either SK or town.
If town, Id be more confident youre anti-town.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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I dont know there is an SK.
I just dont think youre the same alignment as him.
If hes SK, you could be town or mafia.
I'm not giving myself a way out, as if dave flips scum if theres 1 nightkill, likely no SK, if theres more than 1, theres likely an SK.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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I didnt include the possibility of him flipping SK because its a statistically insignificant probability (1/26 until we know better).Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 390, copper223 wrote:I see why Mollie gets uppity about newbie players...
My advice, since you both seem to be scumreading each other (and eyes., that was not an endorsement to turn around and behave the same):
- each of you make a case (being concise would be helpful) about why you think the other is scum.
at this point if you're both town this is an OMGUS based discussion, if one of you is scum the town player's arguments are getting drowned in the back and forth.
Okay, thats a good idea. Ill make my case once I am up to date.
In post 393, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 374, eyestott wrote:
Dodgy: On the surface, your play looks abit similar to Fable 6, but I've realised that there is nothing I can say that will change your views of me.
In post 383, eyestott wrote:I'm leaning scum on you.
Wait no. I think you are scum. Id say youre my second scum read.
These two quotes are very concerning. So, in 374 you're trying to change dodgy's view of you. Why would you try to change dodgy's view of you if you believe he is scum (283). Like, if you town-read him, I could understand it, but trying to reason with someone you're scum-reading makes no sense at all because you should be thinking he ispurposelytrying to 'mislynch' you.
VOTE: eyestott
I'm not trying to change his views of me unless he is town. The fact that nothing ive said has changed his views at all is suspicious. If he's scum, he is purposefully trying to mislynch me, yes. But If hes town, then at least some of my atguments would be getting through to dodgy, and they arent.
In post 386, eyestott wrote:Yes. If dave flips scum, id probably think youre not his scumbuddy, so either SK or town.
If town, Id be more confident youre anti-town.
Yeah, so you're determined to read dodgy!scum no matter what happens. Got it.
Can we lynch eyestott now?
That's misrepresenting me. If dave flips scum, he's likely town, but there is the small possibility he is SK, just like the is the small possibility of anyone being SK.
In post 404, Wickedestjr wrote:
The reason for not putting dave at L-1 is fine, if true, but I’m not convinced that was eyestott’s real reason. eyestott said he decided to not put dave at L-1 ONLY because he had expressed self-voting intent, but eyestott expressed issue with dave in post 195 BEFORE dave expressed self vote intent in post 199. eyestott, if his self vote consideration was the only thing holding you back, why didn’t you vote him prior to its mention?
My one point in 195 was not grounds enough to vote dave.
In post 405, dodgy56 wrote:
case against Eyestott: initial posts which seemed like buddying to me, voted on both bandwagons early in the day (and i think both are likely town at this point, was one of the last voters on the dave bandwagon, Voted dave onyl once he wasnt at L-2 (yet was scum reading him at the time)
thats the basis for my scum read on Eyestott
Ive already established I do that as both alignments.
Ive already established that my KP vote was mainly RVS.
And this last point is not good.My wanting to not put dave at L-1 is perfectly valid, especially since scumdave could just hammer himself and prevent any more information for the day.
Wow. So you vote me in between dodgy's case on me and my case on him?
In post 417, Aneninen wrote:
Although Tean is my strongest scumread, that's also a viable idea. (See my 219 about him and also the Dodgy/EyeStott conversation.) If Eyestott flips scum, Tean is most probably town, or at least, if both of them were scum, it would have been very dumb from them to jump on the Davesaz wagon with those posts. Also, if Eyestott is scum, that may clear Dodgy too, maybe.
Everyone, discuss these!
No where do you say what happens if i'm town.
Yeah, so you're determined to read eyestott!scum no matter what happens. Got it.
So, pretty much everyone is scumreading me. Dont i like, have the right to an attorney or something? Wicked, as pretty much the only person not thinking i'm super scummy, please help. I promise I'm town.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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dodgy case will come once I'm up to date in all my games. I made a decision to not post in my games yesterday, to clear my head.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 465, copper223 wrote:@Eyes
If you're town you are in a prime position to ferret out scum so give it your best.
On the other hand I don't believe you wrote this sequentially as you'd like us to believe, because I've seen you online a few times and you have been active on the forum, so unless for reasons unknown you decided not zo review this thread in particular your post strikes me as manipulative on your part, not a good start.
Why am i in a prime position?
I had skimmed through this thread yesterday, didnt really read much, only foreknowledge I had was that people were voting me.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 467, dodgy56 wrote:In post 463, eyestott wrote:
In post 405, dodgy56 wrote:
case against Eyestott: initial posts which seemed like buddying to me, voted on both bandwagons early in the day (and i think both are likely town at this point, was one of the last voters on the dave bandwagon, Voted dave onyl once he wasnt at L-2 (yet was scum reading him at the time)
thats the basis for my scum read on Eyestott
Ive already established I do that as both alignments.
Ive already established that my KP vote was mainly RVS.
And this last point is not good.My wanting to not put dave at L-1 is perfectly valid, especially since scumdave could just hammer himself and prevent any more information for the day.
wait wait, this thinking is not at all town... you say here you dont want to put dave at L-1(ok this has been discussed, i can understand that) but you go further and state that its worse becausescum davecould self hammer?
Firstly why on earth would he hammer himself as scum? Secondly why is scum hammering themself there a bad position for the town? a scum lynch d1 is great for the town. like what are you even thinking? how can you honestly believe what you said here as town?
If dave is town: could self hammer for not caring - bad.
If dave is scum: could self hammer very early giving us less information than if we had lynched him a week later. Its good that we lynch a scum, but we could have gotten a lot more information if we lynched him a week later. Besides, if he's scum, he's not likely to start being townread by the majority.
He would hammer himself as scum to end the day before any more information can be gained, such as how he interacts with the other players, accidental slips, etc.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 467, dodgy56 wrote:In post 463, eyestott wrote:
In post 405, dodgy56 wrote:
case against Eyestott: initial posts which seemed like buddying to me, voted on both bandwagons early in the day (and i think both are likely town at this point, was one of the last voters on the dave bandwagon, Voted dave onyl once he wasnt at L-2 (yet was scum reading him at the time)
thats the basis for my scum read on Eyestott
Ive already established I do that as both alignments.
Ive already established that my KP vote was mainly RVS.
And this last point is not good.My wanting to not put dave at L-1 is perfectly valid, especially since scumdave could just hammer himself and prevent any more information for the day.
wait wait, this thinking is not at all town... you say here you dont want to put dave at L-1(ok this has been discussed, i can understand that) but you go further and state that its worse becausescum davecould self hammer?
Firstly why on earth would he hammer himself as scum? Secondly why is scum hammering themself there a bad position for the town? a scum lynch d1 is great for the town. like what are you even thinking? how can you honestly believe what you said here as town?
In post 478, Heartless wrote:In post 469, copper223 wrote:giving too much thought about their individual alignments or exposing himself by giving a read on the situation.
there's a glaring problem w/ the dave wagon.
it's that for a while
, it was AN UNCONTESTED wagon. people seem to have risen to the occasion as of late and pointed this out, but if you're going to say dave is scum, you have to work from the premise he was getting the EVERLOVING SHIT bussed out of him at the beginning or that he's an SK
that's indicative of newbscum and no one on that wagon (except maybe the hydra of people i've never heard of) fits the profile.
To be fair, my wagon is (almost)uncontested too.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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