Open 583: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[beastcharizard]

Who lives in a Pinapple under the sea? Sponge Bob Square Pants!

What does SpongeBob always say on the way to work?

I'm Ready! I'm Ready!


Award for best post in thread goes to...drum roll please........ME!

[beastcharizard]

Vote: beastcharizard

Kindly explain why you think this.

VOTE: Wickedestjr

Name too hard to spell and OMGUS.

[beastcharizard]

VOTE: copper223

I like this one better.

[beastcharizard]

Mine was a real vote. I don't get the purpose of the second part of copper's post. It looks like they are try harding.

[beastcharizard]

@beast - The lightheartedness of your first post, while perfectly appropriate, felt out of place for some reason.

Tean voted for a penguin,
due to being scum.

Do you actually think Tean is scum?

I don't get the purpose of the second part of copper's post. It looks like they are try harding.

Are you aware that I asked copper for his reasons? (because I personally thought his post was fine )

I figured that was a joke post and didn't think anything of it. Everything before the game start post is not game relevant so I don't see why you are trying to use it as such. That is like saying someone is scum because they posted in the sign-up thread at a specific time of the day in a specific spot on the player list. The game hasn't even started and you are deciding who is scum in what seems to be a serious way.

VOTE: Wicked

Back to this.

[beastcharizard]

There is that vote count program but I believe only the mod can use it and has to set it up in the Opening Post.

[beastcharizard]

unfortunately neither tth or i have enough uninterrupted time to be able to do anything meaningful.

Both of your lives are meaningful therefor everything you do is meaningful. Hang in there!

[beastcharizard]

Am I the only one that thinks beast might be scum?

Yes. How am I scummy again?

[beastcharizard]

Is this guy always like this?

Sometimes I am sometimes I am not. It depends on my schedule and my mood.

Am I the only one that thinks beast might be scum?

Yes. How am I scummy again?

Let's start with being around often enough to post when you're mentioned, but failing to put effort into scum hunting.

VOTE: beastcharizard

Oh, hi Wicked. Oh wait you aren't Wicked.

Also, school just started and I have class after I work so I don't get home until 9 or later half the week so I didn't have much energy to do anything this last week.

@BBT:

It felt like they were just making shit up for the sake of a scum read.

[beastcharizard]

I am reviewing the latest pages and it looks like Dodgy is trying to bury Eyestott, because no matter the answer (and often I actually agree with Dodgy's pov but that's not the point) he argues the opposite.

What do you mean trying to bury them? Your word choice is confusing to me.

[beastcharizard]

@BBT:

If I am scummy why do you not vote me?

@Wicked:

I never said I was being the epitome of town, I just don't see how I am being scummy. I am just being useless. I will get to the point where I am useful though.

[beastcharizard]

I could get behind an eyesott lynch. I don't like their logic at all.

[beastcharizard]

When have I ever successfully manipulated my meta? Also, this type of game is solely my town style of game as it makes me a huge target for a lynch or Vig kill.

[beastcharizard]

VOTE: Davesaz

1. They seem to be going after easy targets.
2. Sheep Heartless.

[beastcharizard]

If scum, you wouldn’t be ‘playing to win’ unless you made an active effort to manipulate your meta… If you were scum, why wouldn’t you just play the same way?

I asked when I did it successfully. Also, there is no benefit of lurking at this time. Late game sure lurking has its benefit, but early game it is a death sentence. I have my reasons for not being around and yes it is a strategy. If dave is scum it totally worked.

[beastcharizard]

First school, then I will blow all of your minds because I am not out of the loop like it has seemed.

[beastcharizard]

My idea was to be an easy mislynch. On day 1 scum always look for a mislynch they can push. I figured I would try to bait them into pushing me. Then if they were remotely successful I would come out the gate swingy and show that I am actually town and that the push is scum motivated and only being done because it looked easy.

[beastcharizard]

My idea was to be an easy mislynch. On day 1 scum always look for a mislynch they can push. I figured I would try to bait them into pushing me. Then if they were remotely successful I would come out the gate swingy and show that I am actually town and that the push is scum motivated and only being done because it looked easy.

This is just awful strategy: look scummy as hell, provide no reads, then OMGUS the person voting you? Just awful.

This must be your first time playing with me. I get less annoying with time.

Heartless is scum. They remind me of a game I read. I will have to find a link to it later because the name escapes me. It was an open game though and they were the SK I believe. They def were not town.

[beastcharizard]

Heartless is scum. They remind me of a game I read. I will have to find a link to it later because the name escapes me. It was an open game though and they were the SK I believe. They def were not town.

you mean the one where we played like a vig until the 3 man lylo? c9++? that one?

dude, you don't even read the games you're in. i have a hard time believing you actually read that game.

Ok, let me tell you about that game then.

1. You were SK.
2. You were roleblocked the night the roleblocker, Monkeyman, was killed.
3. It was mainly TTH talking
4. Jingle was the host
5. Ask me anything else you think I wouldn't know if I hadn't read the game.

Lets go with the fact that you don't believe I read the game but yet I am calling you scum? Why would you not be voting me then? That would clearly be me making up reads for the sake of having reads which is scummy.

VOTE: Heartless

[beastcharizard]

You are right abotu me calling you scum randomly that game. I feel like if I call you scum then you will prove me wrong. I really do feel a similar feel to that game Jingle modded. I swear I remember the initialls TTH like 10 times more than your name.

I thought you were TTH but I guess the aggressiveness should have let me know it was you.

Tell me who I should be focusing my attention on then.

[beastcharizard]

killa, why are you answering for Anti? He clearly dislikes my attack on him so I was asking who he thought I should focus on instead of him. I wasn't saying: "I want to sheep your reads so tell me them."

Are you still not content with what I am doing? What can I do to appease you?

[beastcharizard]

It was one of those sarcastic things. I don't actually plan to follow Antivillian.

[beastcharizard]

Why not me?

p-edit:

Good plan, I propose me first too.

[beastcharizard]

VT

I was 11 minutes too slow to avoid a prod. I was doing my taxes.

popcorn: cooper

[beastcharizard]

Well, at this point in time I want to be CPA in the future so I kind of have to know taxes well.

[beastcharizard]

Cooper claimed a PR didn't they? I am dumb.

Popcorn: Whomever wants to go next.

[beastcharizard]

A little late there, I already figured that out. I am paying some attention. I just forgot who claimed what. It is one of my bad points, I don't remember anyone's role but my own.

[beastcharizard]

By the way, goes without saying, but at this point, I kinda...don't feel like a claim will change my opinion of the Tean slot. Any claim they make, be it PR or VT, will still make me feel like they're scum.

What was the point of this post? It feels anti-productive.

[beastcharizard]

Guys, I fucked up. I have not been paying proper attention to this game at all. I am reading now and realizing basically anything I have said was not fully informed. I realized this when I didn't remember dave was dead and while reading I had a town read on him.(reading this time around)

P-edit:

No, I haven't seen Anti. HAHAHAHAHA. I am so funny.

[beastcharizard]

What part of I haven't been keeping up with the game and am rereading did you not understand? I did fully intend to do my strategy of pretending to be behind but then I actually got behind.

[beastcharizard]

sat on the sidelines twiddling their thumbs and came in to hammer like Beast did

You hammered the damn wagon, not me. This is so bad.

[beastcharizard]

The meta arguments he's making aren't true, and baffling given our game histories. As Antihero already pointed out, beastcharizard never played in Open 573. However, he did play an open game with us quite recently: Open 576.1: The Enemy of My Enemy. Saying me doing most of the posting is a scum tell for us is ridiculous and doesn't stand up to the mildest application of logic. First of all, our posting distribution was fairly even in Open 573 and we weren't exactly playing to our scum metas in that game either. And in the game beast was in, Open 576.1, we were posting fairly evenly until Day 3, which I was doing almost all the posting. We were town in that game.

Lets just out this now. I was MonkeyMan in that game. You know, the one who roleblocked your kill. So I did read the game and I was part of it.

[beastcharizard]

HOLY shit

do u think this is tth?

because i'm jstu fucking drooling out my anus at this point if you do

I know your mannerisms now. Also, I just thought it would be fun to call you an asshole. I don't actually think you are one but the oppurtinity was to good to pass up.

[beastcharizard]

BBT said he was going to go back into hiding after whining about nobody wanting to help him kill Aneninen

Did he say this in the PT yall share??

[beastcharizard]

IIPHKTT

Cooper: Vengeful
BBT: Hide
Vettrock: 1-shot Tracker
Beast: VT
Mastin: VT
Heartless: VT
Anen: VT
Killa: VT
Wicked:
Tean:

This is where I am at. After the last two claims I might introduce a tin-foil hat theory for the scum team.

Town:
Anen
Mastin
Vettrock
Killa

Null:
Wicked
Tean

Scum:
Cooper
Heartless
BBT

Those are my reads. No this isn't my tin-foil hat scum team and one of the nulls is probably SK.

[beastcharizard]

I freaking show up and no one is here?

[beastcharizard]

@Beast
Your reads don't make sense, I want you lynched.

So you just disagree with my reads? How does that make me scum?

[beastcharizard]

beast's consistent misspelling of copper's name

Spelling is not my strong point. Also, just realized it was copper like the penny and not cooper.

[beastcharizard]

You're scum-reading me? Since when? And why?

I guess you didn't read my reads list. I think at least one of you and copper are scum. I also have this tinfoil hat theory that you are copper are both scum but that really depends on what tean claims. Role wise if with there being a second kill it isn't possible for both you and copper to be lieing about your roles unless someone else is lying about theirs as well.

Also, you have some inconsistencies in what you are saying having to do with your role that I think Heartless pointed out.

[beastcharizard]

I don't disagree, they literally don't make sense because the support does not allow for them, otherwise an SK would not be in the game.

I will give you the benefit of being able to realize those reads are impossible if you genuinenly thought about it as town, hence you presenting that crap makes you likely scum just pulling out some convenient scumreads.

They make no sense to YOU. Keyword there is YOU.

Town:
Anen - I feel like what they say comes from a town POV. I just like them. You could chalk this up to gut I guess.
Mastin - I feel like mastin has this ego that gets in her way. It isn't an undeserved ego persay but it still gets in her way. She reminds me of when she defended me for fake claiming the same thing as my scum partner in a large theme recently.
Vettrock - Claim
Killa - They don't shut up about wanting to lynch me. It doesn't feel like a push for a mislynch from scum because scum would eventually give up and be like: "Fuck it, beast isn't happening so lets find someone else." Also, scum would want to keep me alive because I was behind and useless.

Null:
Wicked - I don't really remember anything about them.
Tean - I don't know anything about them.

Scum:
Cooper - If any PR is scum it is you. I don't see any town motivation from this slot.
Heartless - Already said my case about them reminding me of that other game.
BBT - Kind of explained this but they have inconsistencies with their claim and actions.

[beastcharizard]

So, Beast, are you MonkeyMan?!!? If so, I'll need to think about this information.

Yes, that is my alt, MonkeyMan. I actually felt it was obvious it was my alt. Plenty of people have figured it out. I had to tell Jingle about it though. Marquis figured it out himself.

[beastcharizard]

No, I have read and I like my reads. Even more so now than I did before. Especially my read on you.

[beastcharizard]

even though it's based on multiple false premises?

yeah, ok

You are just saying I am wrong. That is all you are doing. Nothing more nothing less. Just saying: "Nope, you are wrong." Can you say something else?

[beastcharizard]

Wicked can be town now.

[beastcharizard]

We still have Tean to claim.

[beastcharizard]

What do you mean follow through on my gambit? I lynched the only person that I felt fell for the gambit.

You are the SK again TTH.

[beastcharizard]

Oh, alright. For a second there I though you were changing your story again... wait a minute.

Tell me, did we kill eyestott or dodgy?

I have called you scum this whole time.

Also, I don't know you tell me.

[beastcharizard]

Beast though he is a hard read because he seems always scummy to me from looking at his games

This is really refreshing to read. We should play a game when I am actually scum.

[beastcharizard]

Oh, alright. For a second there I though you were changing your story again... wait a minute.

Tell me, did we kill eyestott or dodgy?

I have called you scum this whole time.

Also, I don't know you tell me.

OH FUCK NO YOU HAVEN'T YOU SHEEPED US ONTO THE DAVE WAGON YOU LIAR

I meant I haven't called you mafia. You made it seem like I called you mafia this whole time when I haven't.

Also, ok sure.

[beastcharizard]

Because we all think Copper slot is scum so we are just under the assumption Vettrock is town.

My tinfoil hat theory is that Copper, BBT and Vettrock are all scum. I am not sure if that is actually possible though looking at the numbers.

[beastcharizard]

How is Titus clear?

[beastcharizard]

The "missing" kill on Night 1 could be explained by overlapping kills or a failed kill, but the other probabilistic evidence is stacked against that.

You also have the bus driver in the game which could also explain it or the roleblock.

[beastcharizard]

Yeah hold on.

[beastcharizard]

Cooper: Vengeful
BBT: Hide
Vettrock: 1-shot Tracker
Beast: VT
Mastin: VT
Heartless: VT
Anen: VT
Killa: VT
Wicked: VT
Titus: Vigilante

[beastcharizard]

So in theory there isn't a SK here. which means 1 PR is still lying.

[beastcharizard]

I think I found a vig crumb from Tean as well.

[beastcharizard]

A haiku with love:

I don't like penguins.
Go back to Antarctica.

Vote: killapenwin

The poem spells out Vig if you rearrange the letters.

[beastcharizard]

What if we lynch Vettrock and see the flip. Then if it is scum all the PRs could be telling the truth but if it is town then Titus shoots someone and if Cooper is alive we lynch him since he is either scum or vengeful where he can shot someone scummy.

An idea would be to have BBT hide behind Me or Heartless. I want to be cleared and I think Heartless is scum so they are both good plays. It also makes scum guess who to shoot if BBT is actually a Hider.

Titus shoots someone of their own choosing who isn't me or Heartless or Copper slot.

Actually what if BBT hides behind Copper slot? If just BBT ends up dead then copper is scum. If just Copper is dead then BBT is lying. If both are dead then it is the same thing as what a lynch today would have done. If they are both alive then copper should be confirmed town. We would have to no lynch to make sure we aren't walking right into LYLO or MYLO though from my quick math. Titus could shoot anyone they wanted and Vettrock should someone random.

Opinions?

[beastcharizard]

Nothing which is why I said we no lynch as to make them waste a kill. It would also narrow down the possible lynch tomorrow to you and vettrock if they did that meaning we would have atleast a 50/50 shot at hitting scum.

[beastcharizard]

I care more about the last thing i said in that post.

[beastcharizard]

If they have the busdriver then BBT is dead tonight anyway. With that we have Vettrock follow BBT to see where they go. The only way to stop the plan entirely is for scum to have both the bus driver and roleblocker left.

[beastcharizard]

Heartless can be town now. Which totally fucks up my reads.

[beastcharizard]

It doesn't solve anything if they have the roleblock and the busdriver. While that is a chance it is a chance we have to take. Lets say it doesn't work out then at most tonight there will be two kills assuming SK/Vig don't kill. With the no lynch we still have a shot after tonight.

VOTE: No Lynch

[beastcharizard]

Also, Titus get your vote off me because it is a dumb vote. I am being incredibly towny here.

[beastcharizard]

If we no lynch we should guarantee that we are not in LYLO tomorrow. Titus doesn't shoot anyone and we go through with the Vettrock->BBT->Copper plan to see if we can gain any information. Busdriver will either redirect the Hider to scum, if not already on scum, or redirect Vettrock to someone who did nothing. Roleblock will just stop Vettrock or BBT.

At most we should have two kills tonight if they busdrive BBT to a scum person if BBT is even a Hider.

[beastcharizard]

Even if we don't use a strategy, no lynch is still what we should do in my opinion.

[beastcharizard]

We don't have to do the plan. Also, I am trying to win the damn game. What are you doing?

Titus, this is the first time I am town reading you please don't fuck it up.

[beastcharizard]

Not fully caught up yet but what kind of derp thinking is bbt hiding behind copper? What happens when scum target copper? Oh right, we lose hider and the vengeful killer, plus with the likelihood of a another kill that's 3 town deaths in 1 night.

We would be no lynching today and then we would have 3 total deaths anyway. Not to mention that if Titus is actually a Vig then those would be the only 2 kills of the night meaning over all we kept 1 extra person alive.

[beastcharizard]

Does hider die if they hide behind a Serial Killer?

[beastcharizard]

Can I shoot if one of Cooper/BBT is scum?

I wouldn't see why not.

Also, you aren't screaming scum to me from my gut so you must be town. Even though i am paranoid I read you backwords.

[beastcharizard]

Not fully caught up yet but what kind of derp thinking is bbt hiding behind copper? What happens when scum target copper? Oh right, we lose hider and the vengeful killer, plus with the likelihood of a another kill that's 3 town deaths in 1 night.

We would be no lynching today and then we would have 3 total deaths anyway. Not to mention that if Titus is actually a Vig then those would be the only 2 kills of the night meaning over all we kept 1 extra person alive.

That is still on the back of quite a lot of assumptions, I'd rather not forfeit towns only sure way of killing scum.

If we are going to do any plan I think we should no lynch. Otherwise we should lynch someone.

[beastcharizard]

You just hate all my posts. Can you not see how they are coming from a town state of mind? I feel they should make me obvious town but that might just be because I know I am town and I know it is all to help town.

I don't scum read Vettrock but there is still a slight chance they are scum. I also changed my idea at the end of the post but I wanted to not delete my thinking in case someone else liked it for some reason.

Also, it has been decided that my plans are not the way to go.

[beastcharizard]

Why does it matter if the Cooper slot is empty?

Because if town it has to shoot someone. Can't shoot someone without someone to submit the action.

[beastcharizard]

Well that isn't farfetched at all BBT.

[beastcharizard]

So do we take this knowledge and lynch BBT or what? It doesn't feel right.

[beastcharizard]

Teapot gets an honorary win I hope.

VOTE: BBT

Regardless of opinion this is what cooper would have wanted and thus I am not voting anyone else. I am pretending like this is the vengeful shot.

[beastcharizard]

I am not voting based of any reads. I am voting based on what would have been the vengeful kill since we were so obviously going to be voting copper yesterday. This is the only fair way in my mind to get the game back on track and for it to not leave a weird taste in my mouth.

So this is a principle vote.

My reads have all been spelled out earlier though and BBT was part of the scum list with copper.

Also, I have a surefire LYLO strategy so town will win if I am alive at LYLO.

[beastcharizard]

How the hell is that fair? If they hadn't been removed from the game then BBT would be dead.

Also, no clue what you are talking about strategy wise right now. I don't remember much as I thought the game wasn't going to be started again.

[beastcharizard]

UNVOTE:

Fine, let me get to this later then.

Still probably going to vote BBT but let me at least have time to make up a reason instead of stating the actual one.

[beastcharizard]

The only other person I would vote is Wicked, BBT.

[beastcharizard]

Now I just want to vote you on the principle that I hate naked votes. You could have at least made up a reason.

[beastcharizard]

Yep, still not me. I decided to wait for some time to see if I magically became scum but sadly that isn't how this game works.

I don't really understand the case against me.

Mastin, you realize last time you town read me I was scum right? I didn't do something incredibly stupid this game but I would think you would be a little more open to the idea of lynching me. Also, can you explain your read on Wicked for me? It is odd we have the same 2 scum reads.

[beastcharizard]

I have to disagree about me being incredibly scummy. I don't think it was enough to warrant a lynch at least. I tend to stay alive longer when I am kind of scummy even if my reads are semi-good. It does tend to frustrate people though so I might think about changing it.