Open 588 Pick Your Poison -- Game Over

House · Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:59 am

In post 1386, Riabi wrote:
In post 1378, Drezi wrote:1364

Uhhh what? That post was directed at your idea of lynching anyone BUT ika. Lynching ika has been my stance since like page 4 or 5. How am I being swayed again?

House wrote:
In post 1377, Riabi wrote:
In post 1374, Drezi wrote:Your zero logic declarations seem to have swayed Riabi, and right after he voiced doubt towards me due to simply not thinking from my POV, you jump in to tell him to vig me. I am sure you're scum, sorry.

Where do you get the impression that my view is swayed? Atm, I'm still intending to hammer ika (pending some more time) and then likely vig Lal. That said, I am finding you scummier and scummier, but it's your play that's doing that to me, and not the drivel that House is spouting.

This drivel is pulling the scum out, so you might reconsider your shitty attitude towards me.

My attitude toward you would be less shitty if your play was more pro-town. The way I see it, you might be pissing people off to expose scum, or you might be pushing someone you KNOW is town to try to cast doubt on my reads and try to confuse me. If your play were overall more pro-town, I'd think it was the former, but, since it's not, I have no idea how to read you.

That'll clear up soon enough.

House · Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:01 am

In post 1388, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1375, House wrote:
In post 1374, Drezi wrote:Your zero logic declarations seem to have swayed Riabi, and right after he voiced doubt towards me due to simply not thinking from my POV, you jump in to tell him to vig me. I am sure you're scum, sorry.

Shenanigans.

If you were sure I was scum, you'd have been campaigning for the wagon to shift off of ika and onto me.

Instead, you chose to AtE because scum is manipulative like that.

Drezi has been campaigning for TTH or ABR to be wagonned over Ika for the entirety of this game day: the scum read on you is clearly a very recent one, so it make a sense to me why she wouldn't transition fully to "lynch House over Ika".

Then why wouldn't she say "vig TTH or ABR" instead of "vig House"?

Your defense of her doesn't make sense. Give me something that adds up, please.

House · Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:02 am

him*

Dude, change your avatar, please. >.<

House · Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:07 am

In post 1393, Drezi wrote:Tso I really don't even try to read him at this point, he's wifom and I'm trying to figure him out based on the others who actually play the game.

Who are you referring to here?

House · Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:14 am

In post 1395, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1391, House wrote:
In post 1388, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1375, House wrote:
In post 1374, Drezi wrote:Your zero logic declarations seem to have swayed Riabi, and right after he voiced doubt towards me due to simply not thinking from my POV, you jump in to tell him to vig me. I am sure you're scum, sorry.

Shenanigans.

If you were sure I was scum, you'd have been campaigning for the wagon to shift off of ika and onto me.

Instead, you chose to AtE because scum is manipulative like that.

Drezi has been campaigning for TTH or ABR to be wagonned over Ika for the entirety of this game day: the scum read on you is clearly a very recent one, so it make a sense to me why she wouldn't transition fully to "lynch House over Ika".

Then why wouldn't she say "vig TTH or ABR" instead of "vig House"?

Your defense of her doesn't make sense. Give me something that adds up, please.

Refining original point: I can't say I see the whole "lynch me, vig House" as emotional manipulation because you pissed him off and people generally act irrationally when you piss them off. I can see him pushing for his lynch first first so he didn't have to argue anymore and you would still end up dead: being made the martyr and then being proven correct by your scumflip would also make it more likely people would listen to him down the road.

That's bs and you should know better than to even put something like that out.

1) I obviously know that's not the case.
2) You're defending AtE and WIFOM as legitimate play, but criticizing me for bad play? The inconsistency is glaring.

I'm leaning towards ika, Drezi, and Nacho. These interactions are feeling like scum on the run.

House · Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:16 am

In post 1398, Drezi wrote:
In post 1386, Riabi wrote:Uhhh what? That post was directed at your idea of lynching anyone BUT ika. Lynching ika has been my stance since like page 4 or 5. How am I being swayed again?

You said you don't think we're the on the same team anymore... What I said is perfectly consistent with what I've been saying before. I think ika is a huge gamble, but if my theory about the 3 scum is wrong, then chances of him being scum would skyrocket pretty much.

Let's say for the sake of argument that I were to claim a PR.

Let's say, even, that as much as you scumread me, you believe my claim.

What would your reads then be?

(I am not claiming a PR, this is purely a rhetorical question with a purpose)

House · Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:19 am

Ok, but if you were to suddenly flip your read of me to town, who then is the scum?

House · Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:36 am

In post 1404, Drezi wrote:TTH ABR, and Lalendra, and my townread on Nacho was based on him not hammering, but it looks like he wasn't here at all, so I'd need to rethink that especially if he happened to do it suddenly now.

Why ABR & TTH?

House · Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:40 am

In post 1407, Drezi wrote:
In post 1405, House wrote:Why ABR & TTH?

That's like my whole day's worth of posts.

Nutshell it, please.

House · Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:43 am

In post 1406, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1402, Drezi wrote:I'm not trying to agree it's not scummy lol. But it's still wifom, and it should have been cleared before MyLo. Here I prefer to act on normal reads first.

"Normal read"? As opposed to what? ika is a normal read. Even disregarding
everything
about his predecessors and the quickhammers, ika's play here is 100% his scumgame.

*Tugs your sleeve*

In post 1314, House wrote:
In post 1305, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1288, Drezi wrote:I'm pointing out all this crap about these two and they don't even make an attempt at giving an explanation just brush the issues away, trying to redirect attention to other stuff, or ignoring it completely. What does that tell you.

It tells you that I'm working from a constant.

ika is scum. Period. Count Dooku was scummy, as was Reminiscence. The slot's been the counterwagon to
not one, but two
town mislynches. ika is not that difficult of a read; he is a
lot
more participative as town. The evidence is overwhelming, and I would bet my (game) life on ika being scum.

My method for looking at associatives right now is to see who balks at voting ika. I know it's not entirely rational, but I also know it's not that important right now. I'm fighting an uphill battle where I either have to force scum to bus or get the town to consensus, both of which are daunting tasks.

How do you feel about an ika, Lalendra, Drezi team?

I'm thinking I kinda like it.

I'm also open to hearing your opinion of Nacho.

House · Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:47 am

In post 1411, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1314, House wrote:How do you feel about an ika, Lalendra, Drezi team?

I'm thinking I kinda like it.

I think Drezi is a trap scum read because he is so damn stubborn. Judging by his relatively new join date, he likely just doesn't
know
ika's meta and therefore, the alarmist "the whole scumteam is pushing ika" angle actually makes a bit of sense.

I think ABR is a busser here.

Okay, I read some reasons for your read on Drezi in a glance of your ISO, but I didn't see where you clarified your read on ABR.

Care to enlighten me?

House · Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:01 am

ABR, Lalendra, and ika it is.

House · Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:22 am

In post 1419, Drezi wrote:If house happened to turn out to be conftown I might go along with ika, but would still prefer ABR.

I'm the IC.

Sending the mod a PM to confirm.

House · Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:25 am

My talk about TTH was trying to WIFOM scum into schooting her tonight so I could reveal tomorrow after getting her reads (which is why I wanted Riabi to hold off).

I have a lot of respect for TTH's town game, and this game feels exactly like Hope +1. I'm happy as hell that I'm on this side of the fence in this one.

House · Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:35 am

In post 1426, TellTaleHeart wrote:Oh, wow. My reason for town reading Drezi just vaporized... :S

Well if you thought Drezi was the IC, what in the world did you make of my recent posts regarding you and why did you not have anything to say about them? I all but outed you as the IC.

House · Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:38 am

In post 1436, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1400, House wrote:
In post 1395, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1391, House wrote:
In post 1388, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1375, House wrote:
In post 1374, Drezi wrote:Your zero logic declarations seem to have swayed Riabi, and right after he voiced doubt towards me due to simply not thinking from my POV, you jump in to tell him to vig me. I am sure you're scum, sorry.

Shenanigans.

If you were sure I was scum, you'd have been campaigning for the wagon to shift off of ika and onto me.

Instead, you chose to AtE because scum is manipulative like that.

Drezi has been campaigning for TTH or ABR to be wagonned over Ika for the entirety of this game day: the scum read on you is clearly a very recent one, so it make a sense to me why she wouldn't transition fully to "lynch House over Ika".

Then why wouldn't she say "vig TTH or ABR" instead of "vig House"?

Your defense of her doesn't make sense. Give me something that adds up, please.

Refining original point: I can't say I see the whole "lynch me, vig House" as emotional manipulation because you pissed him off and people generally act irrationally when you piss them off. I can see him pushing for his lynch first first so he didn't have to argue anymore and you would still end up dead: being made the martyr and then being proven correct by your scumflip would also make it more likely people would listen to him down the road.

That's bs and you should know better than to even put something like that out.

1) I obviously know that's not the case.
2) You're defending AtE and WIFOM as legitimate play, but criticizing me for bad play? The inconsistency is glaring.

I'm leaning towards ika, Drezi, and Nacho. These interactions are feeling like scum on the run.

1) But he doesn't. That's the point.
2) He joined less than two months ago. The points that he's pushing are indicative of town paranoia over anything else: I additionally don't really regard "emotional" play as bad, either. When people are angry, they tend to make inoptimal decisions but an inability to stay calm very rarely means you're a bad player. You've been on this site for almost a year, played plenty off site, know the way you push things can harm town. I'm telling you your actions right now are harming town.

1) But he would if he were scum. That's the point.
2) Join date means nothing to me. There are people that have played less time than I have on site, but have years of experience elsewhere. Scumday is just a number. Also, 6ish months is not "almost a year", and 2 games is not "plenty off site". Guilty and apathetic about knowing how the way I push things effect town. Town isn't my concern, scum is. Also, I disagree about my actions right now harming town. I think things have dovetailed nicely.

House · Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:41 am

In post 1442, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1437, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1435, TellTaleHeart wrote:I don't see a hammer in any of those three posts...

You don't want a town case on Drezi?

Not really. I was just kind of taken aback that I was wrong on the whole town special thing.

When I read that post, it looked like rolefishing but I didn't want to call it out because that'd have led scum right to me.

House · Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:17 am

In post 1444, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Vote: TTH

Pushing Nacho to hammer and then lining up a vig kill on me. Nope.

This is scum angling for endgame.

TTH is scum. Ika is as well due to his avoiding the game, but I want TTH today.

Right, hop off your buddy's wagon at the last minute.

Not at all scummy.