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"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 86, Heartless wrote:/in be4 "troloolololol he's vengeful nyucknyucknyucknyucknyucknyucknyucknyucknyucknyuck"
antihero baby come close to me"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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i very incredibly obviously wasn't serious at all"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 102, deep-city-lights wrote:In post 98, Nachomamma8 wrote:oh you didn't actually have a serious reason/belief?
What are you talking about?
Is your belief of Heartless being Vengeful a serious one?
Why?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 106, Heartless wrote:seems i wasn't
the only one
who missed your joke, though
>_> <_< >_> <_<
yeah apparently tth missed it too"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 103, Flubbernugget wrote:Can we get tth in here
Why?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 113, deep-city-lights wrote:In post 107, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 102, deep-city-lights wrote:In post 98, Nachomamma8 wrote:oh you didn't actually have a serious reason/belief?
What are you talking about?
Is your belief of Heartless being Vengeful a serious one?
Why?
I wouldn't say anything I don't believe, unless I'm being sarcastic.
Why do you think Heartless is Vengeful?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 116, Heartless wrote:In post 110, Nachomamma8 wrote:yeah apparently tth missed it too
i was implying that scum missed it b/c scum gave you the gun but whtvr...
i actually don't know if tth missed it or not. we haven't talked about this game yet.
I'd consider myself a pretty decent choice for an early gunbearer. Better to have me die early than to have me influencing the game for 4-5 phases."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 104, Lucky2u wrote:To be honest I don't remember signing up for this game... Seems like fun though. How the hell do you scum hunt in this?
generally you act super town and attack everything you see and eventually you get a gun and you make it rain blood
can you handle that?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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for the record, i don't really have plans on taking shots until 6 days from now or so (or earlier if content is generated quickly), will see flip, take maybe half a day to see if i need to reassess reads, then keep shooting until i'm dead in the ground somehow"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 124, millar13 wrote:In post 122, Nachomamma8 wrote:does vengeful immediately shoot killer or does vengeful get a choice?
rephrase it.
im confused
if i shoot the mafia vengeful, do i automatically die?
or can mafia vengeful kill you?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 137, deep-city-lights wrote:I only signed up for this game because I thought it would be quick and fun. If you're serious about your over a week-long plan, then that's just stupid.
6 days isn't a long time
it's generally a good idea to generate a lot of content and interactions before death starts happening
18 player games really are very rarely "quick and fun""Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 143, deep-city-lights wrote:In post 135, Nachomamma8 wrote:also, is there a reason you haven't talked about why you think heartless is vengeful or no
I assumed you were just being obstinately oblivious. But I hate all the people immediately shouting "SHOOT ME" - you obviously can't shoot them all, and I'm pretty sure there's actual scum calling your bluff in Heartless, Jeanne, and whoever else was doing that.
I was more interested in why you specifically called scum in Heartless: while I'm not necessarily sure on his alignment, I think his response was fairly reasonable if he believed I genuinely suspected their slot because his hydra partner posted a picture of a cat."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 144, millar13 wrote:In post 141, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 137, deep-city-lights wrote:I only signed up for this game because I thought it would be quick and fun. If you're serious about your over a week-long plan, then that's just stupid.
6 days isn't a long time
it's generally a good idea to generate a lot of content and interactions before death starts happening
18 player games really are very rarely "quick and fun"
not for day 1 though.
Hmmm?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 148, millar13 wrote:In post 147, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 144, millar13 wrote:In post 141, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 137, deep-city-lights wrote:I only signed up for this game because I thought it would be quick and fun. If you're serious about your over a week-long plan, then that's just stupid.
6 days isn't a long time
it's generally a good idea to generate a lot of content and interactions before death starts happening
18 player games really are very rarely "quick and fun"
not for day 1 though.
Hmmm?
day 1 that lasts long, is normally an rvs of pointlessness.
unless someone looks reaally scummy, ;like dlc
Last time we played this, we let D1 last until we had okay to solid reads on the entirety of the playerlist: the RVS/not-seriousness bit ends when we begin to get reads we are significantly more confident about."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 150, deep-city-lights wrote:If I'm right about you being inclined to think they're town off of that, then that's also illogical.
And maybe I just trust the innocent-looking ones too much (I'll try to ignore this, but seriously I think this might be a problem for me), but Jeanne's obnoxiousness without ill will reads town a lot more strongly than Heartless's anger. I think it makes sense for them to be scum who don't want to be shot for silly reasons.
I'm not inclined to find it town simply because the reaction makes sense if that's a genuine belief regardless of their alignment.
Your explanation makes sense, thanks."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 153, deep-city-lights wrote:But at this level of activity or something close to it, I think shooting in only half that time will be just as productive, if not more because then there'll be less apathy.
I agree."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 158, CB wrote:I thought Nacho was just joking around but Heartless's reaction seemed like they had a history.
we have a "history" but not a history like talking about an ex girlfriend to a new girlfriend "we have history" but more i know him and i play games with him and we have a good time."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 164, Perpetual Nonsense wrote:In post 158, CB wrote:Wow a lot of activity already. Is there bad blood between Nacho and Heartless? Mafia may have gunned him to get him to shoot Heartless.
I thought Nacho was just joking around but Heartless's reaction seemed like they had a history.
Hey CB, wanna lynch CB?
It seems you already want to.
Hey Berty!
Does this post mean you're scum reading CB?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 170, julienvonwolfe wrote:It's possible that Heartless is scum and that this is the reasoning that scum want us to follow, but at the moment I'm choosing to think that's less likely, as it seems more high-risk than the alternative of, you know, not posting a cat picture.
If Heartless was scum, I don't find it overly likely that they would know I would attack them because of a cat picture.
In post 174, pablito wrote:I vote that we use votes, despite the cosmetic nature.
When I read the set-up, I thought about something that happened in a Lights Out 1 (completed theme park game in 2006) where Pooky created a referendum-based voting system to create a papertrail to ensure that there was always something to look back at. And in a game with "cosmetic votes", I think we need to do something specific to ensure that everyone can be held to some standard. Thoughts?
I also remember Kingmaker (and the subsequent other versions...I think there was a consulmaker too?) where there were several other voting methods in a game where a small number had power to decide the "lynch".
I personally will be listening far more to the content of people's votes and why they suspect who they suspect as opposed to who has a vote down where. Why didn't you talk about any suspicions/town reads that you've had at this point?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 178, Wanderer-nl wrote:'Whoever else' includes dcl (129) so this just feels awkward to me.
It is hypocritical, yes. But I have trouble viewing it as scummy: I think that dcl, regardless of her alignment, would be aware that she made the "shoot me" play not even two pages ago, and that as scum, she would be less likely to use that as her reasoning for her primary suspicion. Am I approaching this wrong?
In post 178, Wanderer-nl wrote:Also, if she really thinks there's scum in the people calling to shoot them, then why not check back to see who exactly it were instead of writing 'whoever else'?
This sort of laziness seems null to me."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 184, vonflare wrote:trolling, probobly, but if he keeps it up it could be seen as active lurking.
This part of the read heavily implies that you're reading him as town. Why do you have him as a scum read?
In post 184, vonflare wrote:But that one post seemed pretty pro-town, advocating using votes.
I disagree. The only thing that's pro-town at this juncture is analysis and pressuring while posting "hey guys we should all vote because it worked in the past!" is very decidedly null.
In post 184, vonflare wrote:most of his posts are 3-5 words.
So?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 184, vonflare wrote:trolling, probobly, but if he keeps it up it could be seen as active lurking.
This part of the read heavily implies that you're reading him as town. Why do you have him as a scum read?
In post 184, vonflare wrote:But that one post seemed pretty pro-town, advocating using votes.
I disagree. The only thing that's pro-town at this juncture is analysis and pressuring while posting "hey guys we should all vote because it worked in the past!" is very decidedly null.
In post 184, vonflare wrote:most of his posts are 3-5 words.
So?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 203, vonflare wrote:I'm saying he might be a scumread
I'm not really sure what this is supposed to mean.
In post 203, vonflare wrote:3) well, its not much to go on but not contributing while posting a lot is generally considered scummy.
why? if flubbernugget made all the posts he had in this game and condensed them all into one post, would he be less scummy?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 205, vonflare wrote:its not like im lying about being ninjad... what could i gain from that?
You're offering a possible explanation for behavior that's causing a player to scumread you, which is a situation with clear motive to lie.
It's sort of difficult to believe that you got ninja'd for 20 minutes in a row :/"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 198, pablito wrote:I propose that Nacho as the gunbearer (and subsequent ones that want to follow this tactic) make a short-list prior to shooting the gun and forcing everyone to comment on the shortlist to ensure that we have information before a shot is made. The voting as it is can only guarantee that votes (if even done at all) are on the spread, rather than commenting on the specific action by the gunbearer. That's what I remember from Kingmaker.
I'm planning on releasing a series of short lists as suspicions solidify, although I'm probably going to take more of a pressuring/questioning role early on so that people's thoughts solidify organically as opposed to following my confirmed town lead. I think your referendum idea is a good one; it has more depth than I thought it might, and I think that the most important thing to keep in mind with this setup is that activity flags hard when gunbearer ignores the opinions of the players surrounding them. As a result, I wouldn't mind taking point on making sure this system gets implemented by composing summarizing people's major suspicions as I pick up on them."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 210, vonflare wrote:the readlist, admittedly, is not much. but the game just begain, i have not much to go on.
What are the reads you care about?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 198, pablito wrote:Then doing a re-read and voting for someone who mentioned about the game tactic and not fully understanding it.
What game tactic are you referring to that dcl didn't fully understand?
I would've suspected that wanderer-nl would have picked up on more in a re-read than a retread of what others are doing.
Did someone else attack dcl for similar reasons?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 220, vonflare wrote:In post 218, Nachomamma8 wrote:Why did you make a complete reads list if lucky was your only good read?
i felt it would be a good template for me to modify as the game goes on.
i'm afraid i don't really know what you mean by this"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 224, Wanderer-nl wrote:One question: what is 'being ninjad'?
whenever you post and then the forum is like "someone else already posted! would you like to post something else now that you see their post?""Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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but that means scum automatically lose when vengefuls are dead and town doesn't lose until town's numbers are equal to vengeful's numbers and that seems terrifyingly town sided to me"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 254, pablito wrote:Wanderer's post about vengeful mafia is making me think again.
In post 224, Wanderer-nl wrote:@Pablito: I think goons would encourage vengeful to be shot because it kills town in the process. So there won't be as much resistance to a vengeful being shot than if a plain goon was in danger of being shot. Honestly, I don't really know, it also depends on how scum intend to play this game. Without them having a NK, it will be harder to sort things out.
This was the post that changed your mind? Why? What other suspicions do you have?
In post 257, CB wrote:Also I now think Vonflare is unlikely to be the vengeful goon here. I think vengeful goons will probably play more cautiously here since their survival is the utmost importance and I don't think they would be the first one to come out with a read list on every single player in the game. That would be just be getting the unnecessary attention of every player.
Would it change your thinking at all if I pointed out that Mafia have the same win condition we do and were probably just as confused as we were until recently?
In post 257, CB wrote:I dislike Flubber for similar reasons since he appears really defensive when being pressured. I understand the pressure against him is pretty weak and getting shot as town is against town's win condition but I still find it hard to get worked up over.
I didn't find his frustration particularly unreasonable. The specific point where Flubber gets frustrated in thread is where he is responding to pressure against him for the twitter post, which is sort of a ridiculous thing to be attacked for in the first place and thus the frustration regarding it seems justified regardless of alignment.
Of things that Flubber has done, I rather liked his pressure on Vonflare in 187, and I like his vote on Perpetual Nonsense (who I currently am scumreading). It isn't exactly enough for a townread on him, but it's enough to take him out of the shortlist I have three days into the game.
In post 258, Heartless wrote:On my first read-through I thought Post 171 was an attempt to look participative without actually contribute anything (and I have a feeling that's why Antihero's scum reading him), but looking at all of West9's posts stacked in a row, it fits in with a general theme of "try to catch someone in a contradiction: Phoenix Wright GOTCHA' style." I think I spoke too soon on that one.
Perpetual Nonsense I don't have anything really solid on. Posting a lot and then asking for the shot (Post 163) felt off and so did his response to CB's opener (Post 164). I hardly thought CB's post was remarkable, and "seems you already want to." doesn't seem appropriate. Same goes for lucky; it's mostly intuition. He leaned a little too hard on CB's "the game is moving fast sentiment." (Post 241) It felt a little weird.
I agree with both of these reads. With regards to Bert, he's much much more unfiltered as town and he is as scum and usually has a very easy interaction with me. I find it suspicious he's had no reaction whatsoever to me being gunbearer (or had no reaction to me at all, considering how close we used to be in mafia games and how long it's been since we've played together), and I find it suspicious he's already stuck in a reread loop despite the game moving pretty slowly.
In post 263, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Enomis' shitposting was endearing but now I'm kinda yawning at it. I don't think it's scummy but I don't like it in general.
The interesting point about enomis is his discussion of the mafia win condition in thread. If I were in his position, I think I'd be much more likely to discuss how to hell I actually win the game in my mafia PT or in a private conversation with ArcAngel as opposed to in the thread where everyone could see: it's something that there's very clear mafia motivation for and it's also something that can draw a lot of attention, which is something that can be pretty incredibly dangerous for scum in a popcorn game.
I agree with your other reads.
Separate post for wanderer oncoming."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 258, Heartless wrote:wanderer is very articulate and her theory posts hit all the right notes, which is why I'm surprised her actual scum reads (DCL and vonflare) are so bleh, bland, and unremarkable. It's particularly bothersome that the reasons for the vonflare vote were sub par even by early-game standards, her scumhunting is also very limited in scope to just two people who happened to draw quite a bit of attention at the time, and her reads track suspiciously closely with nacho's reads.
I agree that Wanderer is articulate and generally has a good grasp of theory, but she has been playing on site for less than two months so I'm guessing that a bit of leniency is warranted. I disagree that her reads are "bleh" for early-game standards, they seem pretty par for the course although I don't like that her focus has been limited to popular targets.
But then there's things like this:
In post 172, Wanderer-nl wrote:I like this for town. Also, it made me smile.
In post 224, Wanderer-nl wrote:It's funny Vonflare is townreading me for it. Guess I did get something out of my vote.
In post 239, Wanderer-nl wrote:Yeah so I was just thinking that it's actually kind of weird Vonflare declared me town because he could have easily painted me scum, but that doesn't really matter in this setup.In post 259, Wanderer-nl wrote:@Heartless, I'm trying to figure out how to play this game and I don't even know how to respond further without blatantly dropping towntells.
Which while they don't necessarily have a lot of logic supporting this feeling (although the last quote would be a pretty brazen play from new-scum in a game like this), still feels good to me and still makes me not wanna shoot the slot."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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