Open 596: Mega PopCorn Mafia - Over

[vonflare]

/confirme

[vonflare]

c:

+1

[vonflare]

We can't vote at all. It's not a lynching setup. c:

You can vote. I ll count the votes but there wont be a lynch. It's going to be dummy VCA which mainly shows deadlines of day phases.

VOTE: arcangel9

[vonflare]

VOTE: millar

Hopping on an easy wagon, obviously scum.

[vonflare]

c:

+1

(づ￣ ³￣)づ

*gives cheese*

[vonflare]

Where are you getting these?!?

[vonflare]

Alphabet game go!

A

[vonflare]

Agh you broke the streak.

[vonflare]

Ooga booga

When's this starting.

[vonflare]

First!

[vonflare]

does vengeful immediately shoot killer or does vengeful get a choice?

The rules say that they shoot the killer.

Can we stop the 'shoot meeeeee' shenanigans and get down to scumhunting?

I'm gonna read up.

[vonflare]

for the record, i don't really have plans on taking shots until 6 days from now or so (or earlier if content is generated quickly), will see flip, take maybe half a day to see if i need to reassess reads, then keep shooting until i'm dead in the ground somehow

Yeah, no.

Just shoot me.

Why are you asking him to shoot you?

[vonflare]

for the record, i don't really have plans on taking shots until 6 days from now or so (or earlier if content is generated quickly), will see flip, take maybe half a day to see if i need to reassess reads, then keep shooting until i'm dead in the ground somehow

I'm just gonna go ahead and agree here, we're in no rush.

The longer each day is, the better.

[vonflare]

I only signed up for this game because I thought it would be quick and fun. If you're serious about your over a week-long plan, then that's just stupid.

Why? Isn't more content to the benefit of the town?

[vonflare]

for the record, i don't really have plans on taking shots until 6 days from now or so (or earlier if content is generated quickly), will see flip, take maybe half a day to see if i need to reassess reads, then keep shooting until i'm dead in the ground somehow

Yeah, no.

Just shoot me.

Why are you asking him to shoot you?

And you still haven't answered this

[vonflare]

Reads:

Victor

: 2 posts, no real content other than a coyote RVS vote.

enomis

: despite having 9 posts, he has posted little more than 2 words. trolling, probobly, but if he keeps it up it could be seen as active lurking.

wanderer

: feels town. 4 posts, but all of them contain content and reads.

heartless

: hard to tell so far, posts have generally been contentless and/or ragey. null until i get more info. also, i cant ever read hydras very well.

pablito

: only a single post that wasnt "/confirm", so its a little hard to tell. But that one post seemed pretty pro-town, advocating using votes.

maxwell

:seems to contribute nicely, mostly asking the mod for rules clarifications, but was active during RVS.

west9

: meh. I don't like his posting style. his only post contains a bunch of questions with no opinions. (#171)

julienVonWolfe

: I like his single post of contribution, it has some strong opinions, but a lot of WIFOM.

CB

: very little content, need more to be able to read.

flubber

: really, really random. 9 posts but zero contribution. most of his posts are 3-5 words.

nonsense

: hard to read. i cant read hydras. also all of his posts are utter nonsense. start playing the game!

deep-city-lights

: dumb town, if i had to guess now. it looks to me like she wasnt expecting the amount of commitment this game requires and wants to die to get out of it.

millar

: lots of quoting people and commenting on their posts. generally contributing, but no real read yet.

jeanne

: keeps asking nacho to shoot her, for no discernable reason. scum using reverse psychology? thats the only explanation i can think of for now. contribute, please!

lucky2u

: his only posts are "I don't remember signing up for this game" and "I'm useless when I'm playing a game I'm familiar with". pretty much tries to excuse future uselessness. scum read.

redcoyote

: 1 post so far, nothing to go on.

[vonflare]

von you're scum reading people for the same reasons you're null reading others

"I can't read hydras" doesn't cut it

where?

[vonflare]

west9: meh. I don't like his posting style. his only post contains a bunch of questions with no opinions. (#171)

This isn't an acceptable alternative to answering my question.

there were literally minutes between those posts. i was ninjad.

[vonflare]

west9: meh. I don't like his posting style. his only post contains a bunch of questions with no opinions. (#171)

This isn't an acceptable alternative to answering my question.

there were literally minutes between those posts. i was ninjad.

You were ninjad for the twenty minutes between 89 and 127?

it felt like we were discussing it at the time that i posted.

[vonflare]

Fucking hell we can't even vote yet and there's a shitfest to be seen

So apparently this girl is so high she can get the cops called on her but her tweets are still 100% coherent

That somehow came from a facebook conversation I was having with someone

Don't expect any posts of higher quality from me though

Fucking hell we can't even vote yet and there's a shitfest to be seen

not a shitfest

just a friendly reminder to nacho that i don't tolerate any bullshit and a friendly request to get out of his own ass and knock it off b/c regardless of his alignment it's annoying

Aka a shitfest

Can we get tth in here

Can we get tth in here

Why?

To end the drama

VOTE: nonsense

Also calling my posting random is bullshit

[vonflare]

trolling, probobly, but if he keeps it up it could be seen as active lurking.

This part of the read heavily implies that you're reading him as town. Why do you have him as a scum read?

But that one post seemed pretty pro-town, advocating using votes.

I disagree. The only thing that's pro-town at this juncture is analysis and pressuring while posting "hey guys we should all vote because it worked in the past!" is very decidedly null.

most of his posts are 3-5 words.

So?

1) im saying that it's too soon to tell whether it is trolling or lurking. probobly trolling. I'm saying he

might

be a scumread

2) well, no one else made that case. i felt that it was slightly more town than scum.

3) well, its not much to go on but not contributing while posting a lot is generally considered scummy.

remember

, these are just

pregame reads

, and I do not gaurentee their accuraccy.

[vonflare]

it felt like we were discussing it at the time that i posted.

So, you weren't ninjad. Why did you say you were ninjad?

it was a big storm of posting when the game began, i was ninjad with every post at that point.

its not like im lying about being ninjad... what could i gain from that?

[vonflare]

it felt like we were discussing it at the time that i posted.

So, you weren't ninjad. Why did you say you were ninjad?

it was a big storm of posting when the game began, i was ninjad with every post at that point.

its not like im lying about being ninjad... what could i gain from that?

[vonflare]

I'm saying he might be a scumread

I'm not really sure what this is supposed to mean.

3) well, its not much to go on but not contributing while posting a lot is generally considered scummy.

why? if flubbernugget made all the posts he had in this game and condensed them all into one post, would he be less scummy?

1) i mean i need more information to form an accurate read on him. he is lean-scum, but these reads are far from solid.

2) no. you are misrepresenting me. I'm saying that out of all of his posts he has contributed interesting facts about the effects of intoxication on tweets, the expected lack of quality in his posting, and how tth should post more often.

[vonflare]

it felt like we were discussing it at the time that i posted.

So, you weren't ninjad. Why did you say you were ninjad?

it was a big storm of posting when the game began, i was ninjad with every post at that point.

its not like im lying about being ninjad... what could i gain from that?

That post just read to me as an earlygame attempt to look useful while not being at all useful, and your justification for it doesn't persuade me otherwise. Same with this worthless readlist.

VOTE: Vonflare

the readlist, admittedly, is not much. but the game just begain, i have not much to go on.

[vonflare]

the readlist, admittedly, is not much. but the game just begain, i have not much to go on.

What are the reads you care about?

The strongest read I have is my scumread on lucky because of his excusing himself from useful for the game.

[vonflare]

And that's the only read you care about (aka don't see it changing in the near future)?

well, id like to change it. if lucky posts some good stuff and helps us find scum, ill be happy to put a townread on him.

[vonflare]

Why did you make a complete reads list if lucky was your only good read?

i felt it would be a good template for me to modify as the game goes on.

[vonflare]

2) no. you are misrepresenting me. I'm saying that out of all of his posts he has contributed interesting facts about the effects of intoxication on tweets, the expected lack of quality in his posting, and how tth should post more often.

So you're scum reading me for a post that I've already stated shouldn't be in the game and because you don't understand what an implication is?

what? im sorry, im not scumreading you.

[vonflare]

that readslist is not seriously indicating any solid reads. It is just my pregame readslist, and was created for the purpose of modification.

[vonflare]

[vonflare]

Prodge

[vonflare]

I like coyotes 375 and maxwells response in 377, they look town.

Heartless, why do you think maxwell and coyote are scum?

[vonflare]

Hey, I was busy over the long weekend. What did I miss?

[vonflare]

ok victor is the new king.

Who are your scumreads?

[vonflare]

Beetlejuice

[vonflare]

ITS SHOWTIME!

[vonflare]

Apologies for trying to make you scumhunt in a mafia game.

ok victor is the new king.

Who are your scumreads?

Better question, who are yours?

The fact vonflare ain't done shit since this exchange pisses me off.

The fact vonflare

was posting after this question was asked

pisses me off more.

Hi feirei!

Sorry for not responding to this question.

That guy with Hobbes as his avatar is tunnelling me, but I have no idea what his case is against me.

I'm going to ISO him brb

[vonflare]

Lol his entire case against me is "he said 'stop saying shoot me and get down to scumhunting' too late"

Phone post so I can't quote him but I'll assemble a case once I get to a computer.

For now I'll VOTE: hobbes avatar guy

[vonflare]

Who are you? Are you in this game?

[vonflare]

First to ask why

[vonflare]

Ok then.

[vonflare]

Either that or you really think me of all people is going to try and buddy pablito

I'm suave and dapper as fuck bruh

And fucking dripping with swag

das kewl

[vonflare]

vonflare, do you have any opinions on Feirei?

I liked her old avatar better.

She doesn't post in mishmash any more =/

She's contributing well and I have a moderately strong townread on her.

[vonflare]

Such as?

I'm floored that vonflare hasn't been shot yet

y u gotta be liek that

[vonflare]

Post!

Sorry but I've been busy recently.

I'll try to read up soon

;',(

[vonflare]

Prodge

Sorry guys, busy IRL.

Will post thoughts asap

[vonflare]

I thought maxwell was town...

[vonflare]

^^^If Maxwell flips scum, shoot Vonflare.

Why?

[vonflare]

What scum slip?

Am I not allowed to say, after he is already dead and waiting for the flip, "I had a townread on him"

[vonflare]

I didn't do that!

I said I think he's town, and it was unwise to shoot him.

[vonflare]

I'm just saying I had a townread on him. Nothing more.

You are either misreading or misrepresenting what I said.

[vonflare]

For his general contributions day 1 and 2, especially these two posts, I felt he was actively scumhunting and contributing.

Mmk, now that I've actually looked at everyone:

CB: Still town. Seems to be genuinely trying to figure out people. I agree about the mafia knowing their win condition. It's in the role PMs in the first post, and with 7 scum, the chances of none of them picking up on that are nonexistent. I don't agree with the thought that vengeful goons would try and be less conspicuous, though. Coasting, especially early game, is a quick way to get shot. And, like I said, I don't believe that activity really indicates alignment. It just indicates interest/playstyle.

deep-city-lights: I think her wanting a faster game with less stagnation is a null tell. Once again it just indicates personal preference. I don't like the fact that she just refused to answer vonflare's question. Why did you ask to be shot, dcl?

enomis: Lots of silly posts, but the recent ones, especially disagreeing with me about Coyote scumtell, are alright. Null leaning town for now I guess.

Heartless: Not much to say about this one, but similarly to CB seems to be trying to figure out stuff. Points for calling the conftown 'ding dong'. I haven't made up my mind here, though.

julien: I dislike their jumping on Wanderer. Well, not jumping, but you know. I disagree with the suggestion (Wanderer's) that our votes indicate the shot (as julien said, this is easier for scum to influence), but it was just that, a suggestion. What I also disagree with is julien saying to just follow the gunbearer. Now THAT is something that is easier for scum to influence, it's just one person. Scum.

Lucky: I didn't think Lucky's 104 was scummy, but I dislike their 115. Similar to my Coyote read: scum covering their butts. Still want to see more. Lucky, if you're reading, give some reads.

pablito: Haven't decided how I feel here. Pablito, what are you current feelings about Wanderer, then? Does your town-julien read have anything to do with their suspicion of Wanderer?

Perpetual Nonsense: They speak like the King from Katamari and it throws me off. Perpetual, does your shared mind suspect CB or not?

RedCoyote: Scum lean as explained earlier. Give opinions on the game please.

Victor: Don't like, but doesn't feel like scum. More like super lazy town. It's probably the brazen votes with no written reasoning that makes me think this slot is town. Want to see some more actual content so I can make a read that is less gut-based.

vonflare: A lot of posts, but those lots of posts were mostly defending vonflare's own actions. However, almost all of the defense posts were prompted by questions about the readslist and such so I can excuse them. Null. Please comment on the game itself!

Wanderer: I like their saying that they want to shoot an active rather than an inactive. I agree.

West9: Similarly to my other town reads, West seems to be trying to figure out thought-processes, which is a town-motivated thing to do.

Flubber, millar, Jeanne, I literally have nothing to say except: post something substantial.



Ugh, I still think that active players are a mix of scum and town and I want an active shot. My only active scumread is julien. I need to give Wanderer, Heartless, CB, vonflare, and pablito another look. I think I messed up somewhere in there.

Read what I said about Vic. Then read it again. Maybe read it once more? Votes with no explanation make my gut think town. That's literally it, and it's not a substantial read at all. I had no gut feelings either way for the three of ya I put down at the bottom.

No, I don't think scum can hold the gun, obviously. I'm saying that it's more difficult for scum to influence a whole bunch of votes (a lotta people to influence), and it is much easier to influence a single person, ie the gunbearer. There are a large number of scum right now, so it only takes a few townies suggesting a shot that happens to be town for the scum to see and agree with, thereby creating a lean on that person for the shot. Also, scum can choose the gunbearer, remember? They indirectly control the shot (obviously not nacho's, but every shot after that), so it's more dangerous to just follow the gunbearer's lead, as that gunbearer's lead is geared towards what the scum wants, especially if the gunbearer is left to their own devices and town is afraid to argue with them.

Basically, I'm saying that is has to be a discussion, not done by majority vote and definitely not by just following the gunbearer.

[vonflare]

Yup. You're a dead man von.

Are you advocating my death because I was wrong, or because I 'scum slipped'?

Because I don't see it.

[vonflare]

I thought maxwell was town...

Maxwell hadn't flipped here. This implies that he knew Maxwell was scum preflip.

We went over this already.

[vonflare]

Also Maxwell is the one that was the most vehement against the Nacho plan of not shooting CB, RC, wanderer, Heartless and pablito. As such, I strongly encourage the five of us to plan to not shoot any of the others at least until 6 total mafia are dead. I'd also strongly encourage all gunbearers to do the same. Maxwell was against the list because, I suspect, he knew all five of us are town.

This paragraph is golden, pab. This is exactly how I feel. I'm sorry if I have been disappointing you with my activity, but I am happy you got us our first good shot.

Suck-up

[vonflare]

"Vonflare - You posted Maxwell's reads before Maxwell flipped, right. Maxwell gave interesting insights on both julien (now Suzune) as well as RC. Maxwell called both scum - now that Maxwell's dead, what do you think about those two?"

Considering ONLY max's interactions with them, if he were regular scum, he would be trying to get townies seen as guilty, so, following that logic, they're likely town.

But, since he's a reguscum and not vengeful, he could have been trying to get lynched so that we look at his ISO, see his scumreads (of his scumbuddies) and count them as town.

So, I can't definitively divine their alignments through their interactions with max.

[vonflare]

Why is everyone scum reading me?

I would shoot west btw. Case incoming.

[vonflare]

Don't shoot me for like, 30 mins and I'll convince you west is a good shot.

[vonflare]

West starts the game jumping on the fact that I said "Can we stop the 'shoot meeeeee' shenanigans and get down to scumhunting?". He says that this is scummy becuase "There was a while between the last "shoot me" post and this one". It looks a lot like he was trying to find something to scumread me about. this is a weak case, if not just made-up.

Can we stop the 'shoot meeeeee' shenanigans and get down to scumhunting?

There was a while between the last "shoot me" post and this one. Why did you feel like saying this?

there were literally minutes between those posts. i was ninjad.

You were ninjad for the twenty minutes between 89 and 127?

it felt like we were discussing it at the time that i posted.

it felt like we were discussing it at the time that i posted.

So, you weren't ninjad. Why did you say you were ninjad?

it felt like we were discussing it at the time that i posted.

So, you weren't ninjad. Why did you say you were ninjad?

it was a big storm of posting when the game began, i was ninjad with every post at that point.

its not like im lying about being ninjad... what could i gain from that?

He then jumps on an error I made about one of my posts. I mistakenly said that I was ninja'd, when, in fact, I was not. I explained that that was a mistake on my part, that I misremembered what was happening during the opening of the game, but west still finds a 'reason' to scumread me for it.

it felt like we were discussing it at the time that i posted.

So, you weren't ninjad. Why did you say you were ninjad?

it was a big storm of posting when the game began, i was ninjad with every post at that point.

its not like im lying about being ninjad... what could i gain from that?

That post just read to me as an earlygame attempt to look useful while not being at all useful, and your justification for it doesn't persuade me otherwise. Same with this worthless readlist.

VOTE: Vonflare

Then he votes me for this, as well as my "worthless readlist"

This was the first readlist of the game, and he decides it's "worthless". its better than anything he was doing! he was just tunneling me with a weak case.

Much , much later in the game:

Vonflare is still the scummiest player.

Vote: Vonflare

with no new reasoning. His only case against me is that I said "lets scumhunt" too late, and my first readslist was "worthless"

which I point out here:

Lol his entire case against me is "he said 'stop saying shoot me and get down to scumhunting' too late"

then he responds with this:

[quote="In
That's not the whole case:
Readlist was worthless and contributed to the "scum faking useless activity" vibe.
Your response to me asking you a question was an immediate scumread.
Your excuses for that "hey town let's get to work" post were terrible.
Youve clearly been strategically lurking since early D1.

-first readslist of the game, at the start of day 1, is worthless. how do you define the worth of my readslist? I was giving my opinions and gut feelings on the players, and you decide that me sharing my opinions is 'worthless'. Should I not have posted my opinions? Would that have had more 'worth'?

-What? so you are scumreading me because i was scumreading you?

-What does this mean? is he actually implying that i was lying about thinking i was ninja'd? He's just adding random things to the list so that it looks like he has legitimate reasons to scumread me.

-strategically lurking? i post when I can. If i'm not near a computer, I don't post! and, actually, if i's strategically lurking, then

so are you!

I have 60 posts, while you have 41, which is almost 20 more posts then you.

In addition,

VOTE: West9

FOR GREATER JUSTICE!

So, now you'd shoot me instead of CB? That was fast.

Quick post to answer pablito's questions:

I know that I have boring townreads, but I've gotten the most genuine scumhunt-y feeling from CB, RC, and Heartless. Like I said, I wouldn't shoot them.

Top scumreads are Vonflare and PN.

Perpetual nonsense votes for west, then west immediately adds PN to his scumreads. weird.

Also, post where west defends max:

@AA9 - We're getting unofficial vote counts, right? Seems like that hasn't been happening.

Did I ask bad questions about Lucky and Red or is it just that nobody knows them?
More likely to endorse a Lucky shot if those are still the only two candidates.

Just as much as others are suspecting wanderer for not doing scum-hunting, I'm getting Maxwell as being half-assed scum-hunting. Which is why I asked the question of a voting system. If I felt Maxwell was pure town, I'd've wanted Maxwell to actually try to implement something. But I don't get the sense that Maxwell wants that. So prove me wrong Maxwell and force everyone to look at certain players through some type of referendum or focused-voting system.

You lost me here. Are you scumreading everyone who isn't suggesting a voting system? If not, why hold Max up to that standard? Or am I completely misreading this?

[vonflare]

mod,

can you fix the quote in the middle of the post above? it should look like this:

Spoiler:

That's not the whole case:
Readlist was worthless and contributed to the "scum faking useless activity" vibe.
Your response to me asking you a question was an immediate scumread.
Your excuses for that "hey town let's get to work" post were terrible.
Youve clearly been strategically lurking since early D1.

-first readslist of the game, at the start of day 1, is worthless. how do you define the worth of my readslist? I was giving my opinions and gut feelings on the players, and you decide that me sharing my opinions is 'worthless'. Should I not have posted my opinions? Would that have had more 'worth'?

-What? so you are scumreading me because i was scumreading you?

-What does this mean? is he actually implying that i was lying about thinking i was ninja'd? He's just adding random things to the list so that it looks like he has legitimate reasons to scumread me.

-strategically lurking? i post when I can. If i'm not near a computer, I don't post! and, actually, if i's strategically lurking, then

so are you!

I have 60 posts, while you have 41, which is almost 20 more posts then you.

In addition,

VOTE: West9

FOR GREATER JUSTICE!

So, now you'd shoot me instead of CB? That was fast.

[vonflare]

Well his case on me is terrible

[vonflare]

Yes you where lurking PN, but I just did not feel suspicious about the motivation behind it.

vonflae lurking = scum

PN lurking = town

plex exploin

[vonflare]

???

[vonflare]

ggg