Open 608: Jungle Republic - A jungle is conquered(game over)

[Vedith]

Afternoon.

@Firebringer - Do you mean the most dangerous out of the WW and the Mafia? Or do you mean actual player wise?
I would say WW if that's the question. The Mafia don't have the option to kill in the example, is that right?

[Vedith]

What's the rush?

VOTE: gameplay506

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I'm on my phone right now and I know I have to respond to other stuff. Will do it later when I have my laptop.
VOTE: Mario

mykonian: Why gameplay over Mario? If there's someone rushing the hammer, isn't it mario?

Because Gameplay looked more pushy with it.
I'm not sure I like the changed reason from Mario but I'm also not sure why we wouldn't pressure them both for this.

[Vedith]

Because Gameplay looked more pushy with it.

He *looked* more pushy because of his "scum! hammer! hammer!". But now you agree that mario was the one doing the actual push and therefore more pushy than gameplay? And since you thought being pushy is a scum-tell, mario should look more scummy to you. Come and join the mario wagon!

I'm not sure I like the changed reason from Mario but I'm also not sure why we wouldn't pressure them both for this.

We can attempt to pressure them both. But only one person will be lynched Today and real pressure comes from the danger of knowing you'll be lynched.

So surely we want to give them both the idea that either can be lynched, right?

[Vedith]

Now Vedith, ooo. I have to say that Shadow's vote is a bit confusing to me because it seems like an activity vote from someone who's not too active themselves and it's just uh what, but the main reason why I'm voting for this dude is 83. He comments on the 'changed reason from Mario' and latches onto my point so quickly, but I was really just stretching and trying (probably not too successfully) to place Mario under some pressure. I didn't even believe in the whole changed reason thing! So it seems like he's going along with what I'm posting yet I don't really think that anyone would believe that? I also am similarly but not as bothered by 65. It's a very passive post very weakly questioning the fast wagon and supposed hammer intent, but not actually doing anything about it. Wanting to look good but still keep open the possibility of idiot savant lynch? Or not wanting to be seen as defending a buddy too hard? I think either is possible, but I'd expect a town player to actually show more OOMPH in making their opinion known than an idle question that's really not going to change anything or even be answered by anyone.

What it have helped if I did it in caps?

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Can't scum do that exact thing though?
Basing an opinion of town on something like that is silly. Scum will be trying to make someone look scummy meeting the "Pressure hard on scum looking players".

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@Not_Mafia/shaddowez - DON'T VOTE FOR ME, I'M TOWN!
@DeasVail - How what that?

I'm all caught up and ready to rock.

Vote: Vedith

Because this:
In post 21, Vedith wrote:
The Mafia don't have the option to kill in the example, is that right?

smacks of scum trying to pretend they don't know their own role in the game setup.

Regards,
Jazz

I was actually going from the sample roles. I've not played a game with more than 1 team so I'm not familiar with the setup.
I personally think the most stupid thing you can do is try to act like you don't know your role. In peoples eyes, if anything I would put me down as either WW team or town.

153 is another post from Vedith that doesn't say anything and just looks like he's being active. I'm leaving my vote there, would be equally as happy with a Jazzmyn lynch at this point.

To be honest, I haven't been active, and 'trying to look active' with 6 posts?! I don't understand where you get that from. Reading through your comments, all I see is you putting a vote on Gameplay as a distancing vote. When there is a chance that it can build on him you change your mind.

know I haven't had a ton of activity or content this game, but sadly I think it's better than Vedith's has been.

Now, can you explain where Gameplay has had any content in his posts? Most of his posts are a few words here and there. What you are voting me for is basically what Gameplay is doing, right?
In all honesty, I was going to come on here and review my vote before being V/LA. But after properly going through certain peoples posts, I'm confident in where my vote stands.

@Mod - V/LA until Monday, slight access to phone though

[Vedith]

Number of posts has nothing to do with activity, it's based on content. If you have 100 posts of "Hi" that's less than one good post with reads and questions. So yes, it looks like you're trying to be active in your posts by posing questions and comments that don't mean anything.

[Vedith]

Nope. Klick is also for me. The fact that they read me as town with such little involvement from myself is the worry. It is a good way to hide if I'm lynched and then flip town as fingers can easily be pointed at people on the wagon.
And the reason I think it's over myself than others is because I haven't actually put effort into defending myself, making me an easier target.

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Well, I think the reason that Klick has said myself to be town rather than for example Mario (NM) is because I haven't given a valid defence on any claims against me so far (up to the post of Klick).
This makes me a stronger chance for a lynch as it stands, and I can't see Klick giving off too many town reads. And if I were to be lynched, Klick would be out of the focus more than others.

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@Vedith: Do you know why Klick is townreading you?

No, I haven't done anything to be town worthy yet so apart from what I already said, I am unsure to why Klick reads me as town.

[Vedith]

Welcome PimHel.

I currently view your last body as scum. I also think than there was a distancing attempt between your last body and Shadow.
What's your view on this? I noticed that straight away you think Shadow would be a good lynch for "The latter looks for things he can use against players"?
Can you elaborate on this?

[Vedith]

Vedith's 153 sucks

Sorry about that.

About time we start agreeing on a lynch.
NM, I'm not as sure of Vedith as I am of Savant so I'd rather lynch them today. Would you be willing to vote Savant?
Vedith: I'd like to see you engage more.

Yup, I'm working on be involved more.
I'd vote Savant over a no lynch/my lynch, and as both of my scum reads have swapped people (and I like PimHel's responses and participation already) I can't really suggest a better lynch for today. Although Klick wouldn't be a no option for me.

[/unvote]PimHel[/unvote]

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: PimHel

[Vedith]

Klick-slot, Shaddow and Vedith all seem the most likely scum to me with Idiot Savant and NM bringing up the rear in a 'sort of makes sense as scum maybe' category. I was sort of meh on Klick's scumread of Savant and while I'm not particularly impressed by them, I would like a 'this is why Savant is scum' post. The more I think about it, the more I'm sketched out by Klick's townread on me, but I'd like to see his replacement. Still cool with my Vedith vote though I'm not as excited about it I was however long ago, so I may move it somewhere else. I hope to be able to post better soon, but this will be it for now.

Well, I'm not happy with your Vedith vote.
I would be happy with a Klick vote though. Lets make a better tomorrow, today!

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Nice scum ploy there. Thumbs up to you.

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Why is he scum?

Also, I'm not claiming Seer so if that's preventing anyone from a quick lynch then don't let it.

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@Wanderer - What would me flipping VT tell you?

[Vedith]

That's fine. But can you also answer what information you think you might get when I flip town?

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If there is a team of 2 WW, then why would they not kill due to being inactive? Unless you expect that neither were active.
As the partner, not killing would just give suspicion on PimHel for being inactive (like it did)

I would think that the WW were not suspected Day 1 or in much line of fire leaving them able to not kill and add confusion. Idiot Savant was a high focus and therefore a good option for the Seer (along with a couple others).

As Wanderer said, this is basically day 1 and I don't think that WW would risk this if they were under the spot light.

[Vedith]

The wagon on IS keeps forming too easily if you ask me.

[Vedith]

Who's scum with you?

You are, remember? It was your idea not to kill.

@Vedith: It's continuing from Day 1, there was no new information, I don't think it's going fast. What is your read of Savant, and who do you think is scum?

If this was the case and it is continuing from day 1, then why would it be on IS and not me?
IS had an easy wagon formed early which fell apart, and people are trying it again.

Who do I think are scum? I need to review but I would highly expect people who fell off the radar yesterday.

The main question is, if people were so happy to try and lynch me yesterday, then why so lack of focus on me today?
People in this game are stuck in a tunnel, and in addition I'm more than happy to be lynched so I can focus in more productive games where other players aren't so

[Vedith]

I'm into this. I am putting my opinions forward with it. If people decide that they don't like them, that's down to them.

[Vedith]

Great...

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith

That's the spirit!

[Vedith]

Cheers Anti, That made my day.

[Vedith]

Sorry to disappoint you.

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@Wanderer - I guess nobody asked because no one cared?

"I have good reasons to vote Vedith"
"not saying I know Vedith is mafia, but his comment on the Savant-wagon makes me think it's likelier for Vedith to be a goon as well."

Great follow up there

[Vedith]

Question, how do you know difference between the mafia and werewolf team?
Shouldn't both say mafia/werewolf?
THIS MAKES YOU ESPECIALLY ODD.

VOTE: mykonian[/voteThe Bringer of Fire
Firebringer WIKI

He wouldn't... It's only a guess.

[Vedith]

What?
How would you know?

Sorry, phone messed up with quotes.
I was quoting this one in my last post.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Anti

L1 then?

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Cheers ZZZX, hope it gets sorted.

Hello Titus.

So, who voted for AH? FB do the searching for me please!

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@DeasVail - You were called scum by AH. Care to explain?

[Vedith]

Shadow or Hayato as second WW then

VS and Wanderer as scum!

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Sure I'd kill myk who was one of the few who thought I could be town. Makes a lot of sense Firebringer.

So you can now say this... I hate it when the person on suspicion says it....

I mean DV. I get excited when I find scum.

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I thought IS was town... Obviously.

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Wanderer is desperate scum now trying to dig out of the hole?

VOTE: Wanderer-nl

[Vedith]

Just as I expected, DV!

@Wanderer -
Right, so looking back, yeah Wanderer can't be scum. Can be WW, not sure how much I think of that.
427 - Now I understand this comment. You really think that as scum I would post "Great..." in a sarcastic way to a scum partner being lynched?

I would like to hear your other reasoning, and I would like to hear who you think is the 2nd WW.

Tell me your opinion on NM.

@FB - Feed me on this bussing comment. You did the hammering and you are the type of player to bus.


I'm not liking Wanderer as WW right now.

UNVOTE: Wanderer

[Vedith]

They're onto us Wanderer!

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And of course I am concerned about killed the WW, they can kill at night, scum can't...

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VOTE: Titus

You didn't read my comment on Wanderer, or you are trying to manipulate it.

[Vedith]

Titus calm down, you know that me and Wanderer are going to target anyone who opposes us.

@Wanderer - Was 297 an issue for you? You disliked my comment/defending on IS, but I don't recall you ever commenting on this one?

[Vedith]

Wanderer - He wasn't he flipped scum.
But if you mean why did I find him town? Then it's just because of gut readings and the fact the wagon was so easy on him both days.

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Wanderer, you are just digging with a fork right now.
Can we not save this little argument until tonight when it's in our own thread?

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I've got 3 ongoing games, 1 with him, 1 with his Hydrah and this one.
Apart from that I've not had too much interaction with him.

[Vedith]

If one ends anytime I'll let you know.

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We should make Titus the second wagon!

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There is only 1 WW and 2 scum...

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Of course it's a joke, Wanderer...
It was more sarcasm than anything though.

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Just relax guys, I'm not scum neither am I WW.

Titus is bad some how, I can feel it!

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So who are we lynching?

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FB really does have a summoning power.

@Shadow - Can you elaborate on the DV read?
I don't like how DV is trying to call me town without need (Not even call me town but put a full blown case as if I'm at L1). There is no indication that I am getting lynched today as it stands but yet it's like he is trying to sweet talk me into voting you.

Also @ Shadow - I'm getting a sketchy feeling with FB too. What's your opinion on FB/DV as the scum team?

[Vedith]

I never trust anyone who town reads me overall, even more so when they put so much effort into it.

[Vedith]

I'm just thinking that they both seem scummy, and it's probably lack of interaction rather than interactions that make me think scum.
This is what I have though.

All the posts between them so far

DV to/about FB - 20, 100, 128, 167
FB to/about DV - 54, 203

{Please show me if I missed any} - As you can see, it's only banter or distancing really. Hardly involve with one another.
We know that FB will throw an ally under the bus so I'm not surprised with his IS vote if he is scum. Not too sure about DV when throwing Mafia buddies under the bus, but I bet that he would.

80 - A small attempt of diverting?
98[/vote] - Mafia FB would probably mean town/ww list.
[post]119 - Says partners... Scum is WW or Mafia. Give away?
178 Both IS and DV leaning scum
308309 - Apologised for voting me with the expectation that it won't count.
Just no actual opinion on DV really.

[Vedith]

Correction - 98 - Mafia FB would probably mean town/ww list.
119 - Says partners... Scum is WW or Mafia. Give away?

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Titus
VOTE: FB

[Vedith]

I've got be right one of these days, right FB?

[Vedith]

Vote FB please.

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I agree, NM not posting will give that result.
People need to do something on here. 5 town, 1 WW 2 scum.
It's nearly 50% chance that FB is scum, increase it to 75% chance for it being FB, increase it to 100% because he is scum (Mafia to be precise). - You can't go against logic like that!

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I wouldn't say no. This stage a no vote is going to hinder us, everyone is scrabbling in different directions.

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UNVOTE: FB
VOTE: NM

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Who cares? The only people that will be disappointed with that are the WW's...

[Vedith]

Why is it so hard to lynch?

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Can we please just lynch NM... Then we can go forward with the game...

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I guess it would depends on the status of the last 2.
I would assume a scum win there as scum won't vote each other but neither town will know each other?

Pedit - I was too slow.

[Vedith]

Can we just lynch NM and see what results are given tonight?
This game is honestly going no where and too many people are stalling without reason.

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I can go with a Shadow vote.
If we hit WW... Then we just no Vote every day until scum just give up and change their ways...

VOTE: Shadow

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So, who's scum?

Regardless, town can't win.

VOTE: Titus

I'll take the draw.

[Vedith]

We lose anyway, so who do we want to win? Scum or WW?

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I'm having real issues posting on here atm?
3 games so far my posts haven't gone though even though it said it did, anyone else getting this issue?

So we are going no vote then?

UNVOTE: Titus
VOTE: No Vote

[Vedith]

I'm actually town. I also said that FB is scum but no one wanted to believe it.
So Shiro saying that FB is town just makes me think he is his scum buddy.

[Vedith]

@Vedith, if you think Shiro is mafia, he's selling what's best for mafia. You should vote her if you think she's mafia.

Well, I'm more confident in FB being scum than Shiro. Shiro is just making me think scum more with saying that FB is town.

If I'm wrong it's a guaranteed loss. If I'm right, it's a loss because you will kill me, making it 1 v 1 v1.

I can't see anyway that town can win this.

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Hey, if I have to choose I will choose WW to win over Mafia.
I'd prefer to let 2 people win over 3.

Unless someone can give a scenario where town actually win I'll vote anywhere that's not Titus today.

[Vedith]

Well, I guess that's a better chance than not. Then it's down to who you kill at night.

So who are we voting again?
I mean, the most likely scum. FB?

[Vedith]

Vedith thinks he is mislynching FB today and that you will kill me at night thinking I am scum which is why he is playing clueless.

When did I say that?
My bet would be on FB and DV as scum, but you defending FB as town just makes me question to if you're town or not.

I am happy to vote off either today.

@Titus. Why is DV a bad lynch? Surely all you want to do is keep me alive and kill 1 town and 1 Mafia ready for tomorrow?
It shouldn't really matter who survives apart from me as I'll side with you if town are not in a position to win.

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Unless someone can give a scenario where town actually win I'll vote anywhere that's not Titus today.

Bs you were voting Titus before you realised Dv wasn't there to hammer.

You are trying to appease to Titus that you will give her the win after you push the mislynch on fire.

Sure as scum buddies I would have realised already...
I pay a lot more attention as scum and wouldn't slip like that.

I'm happy for FB or DV actually, not just FB...
You are just defending FB so hard.

[Vedith]

You are just defending FB so hard.

And I'm not sure why.

[Vedith]

@Vedith, I lose if mafia don't die first, so I want to play by the numbers for safety.

Why?
Sure if we lynched a town today and then you kill scum tonight, it's the same as the other way around...

[Vedith]

@Vedith, I lose if mafia don't die first, so I want to play by the numbers for safety.

Why?
Sure if we lynched a town today and then you kill scum tonight, it's the same as the other way around...

I don't think so.

The moment we lynch town, it's 2 v1 v 1, mafia have half which is what their PM requires.

Wouldn't it be half or nothing can prevent this from happening?
So the fact that you get a NK would prevent them winning.

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VOTE: FB

This confirms Shiro for me.

1 - Just playing like a melon as town.
2 - FB partner forcing the push on me as I said I will help WW over scum and wanting to vote FB.

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I mean confirms FB, Not Shiro

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Because I am less confident in Shiro being town to FB.
For me to have any chance of winning here I have to hit scum today.

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Not at all... I'm never worried what people think of my votes or how much of a silly reason they have and I think Titus/FB will agree.

[Vedith]

Keep me alive in the 1 v 1 v 1 situation and you win.

[Vedith]

Quoted from the sample post of Mafia 0 - Win condition: You win when at least half of the living players are mafia, or when nothing can prevent this from happening.
Where does it say the each faction part?

[Vedith]

Ah, okay fair enough.
Maybe we should just wait for mod clarification then...

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Well it doesn't matter to me, if we do it your way we lose. My only option of a win is lynching scum today.

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FB don't try to play that. We both know that you are scum

[Vedith]

Ah, so it is you a DV? And Shiro is just playing melon town?
Nice buddy tactic, standard FB.

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Vedith, lets be real here.

You always think I am scum. How many times have you been right?

Yeah but I can really see you as scum here... Shiro made it clear for me.

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If you and me are the town in this game Vedith, I am going to lol.

Yeah that's what I'm thinking. XD
But I don't think I'm wrong.

At the end of the day I can't see town winning this.

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FB, you read me wrong nearly as much as I read you wrong...

Also, my condition is to win. If there's a chance for me to win then I am going for it. I don't support a no lynch.

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The last game was Midnight Sun and I had you at my top town read. You were town, and I was town.

Well it's down to her hitting town rather than scum. It she hits scum after we lynch scum then me and DV/Shiro can lynch her and town win GG!

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So yeah, we need to hit scum today.
Titus, vote FB with me. Then whoever is the last town actually vote and we are set.

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It's funny how you want to no lynch now FB since it's a 50% of you winning
When there's only a small % for town to win here lol.

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Yeah and I can't win unless we lynch scum today, or you kill scum in each night phase...
FB has a 50% chance of winning as scum as you have 1 in 2 chance of hitting town

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This itself explains why FB is scum lol.

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Scum voting you or themselves if you kill scum tonight is not playing to their win condition.
We cannot win tomorrow.

I expect that you will kill FB tonight then me the next night.

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Ah yeah. So you kill FB, then have a 50/50 on Shiro or DV

Fuck it, the chance is still small here but scum won't vote FB with because they are scum.

VOTE: No lynch

Happy for an early night finish.

[Vedith]

Not me...

[Vedith]

Yeah Titus, shoot me

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Just kill FB, obvious scum!
Then you only have a 50/50 choice

[Vedith]

Yeah there you go Titus, you have both scum.
Shiro has been defending FB so hard all day

[Vedith]

Question Titus. How will you win this?
Tomorrow if you git scum, both town will have to no vote to have a chance of winning.
If you then hit scum both town lynch you, if you hit town, scum win.

You can't actually win here.

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It's not impossible though. XD

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NO
YOU
WOULD
NOT
HAVE

END OF THE STORY

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So how does that make FB town just because you are?!
It's not impossible!

I already said that it was a 50/50 with you but I guess you're right, it has to be FB and DV.

So kill DV tonight Titus and then it's down to me and Shiro not voting.

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Regardless to if you are being a melon Shiro, can we agree that Titus kills DV then we vote no lynch tomorrow to stand a chance?

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@Vedith, I can't kill with 4 alive and won't do it. I am forcing a lynch tomorrow.

But we can just no lynch and make the day end naturally.
Or all vote you off. As town we need to play to our win condition as much as possible and helping you lynch tomorrow is not that,

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Btw Shiro, if Titus kills me and scum win, it's all down to you not knowing that FB would play like this as scum.

[Vedith]

Can't be a draw, and you can't win... You might as well pick a side, if you pick scum, they confess and you shoot me.

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How will scum lose?
When it's just me Shiro and FB they are both going to vote me because well, yeah they are wrong.

[Vedith]

Gratz Mafia, and nice try Titus.
Thanks for the game.

God damn it FB! We were both town!
I'm done with Shiro! But nice push

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also, dv was obvscum and ya'll should feel terrible for not lynching him

I did want to if it helps.
I just wanted to lynch FB more.