Open 611 - Making Friends and Enemies (Game Over!)

[Firebringer]

Damn you Luna
Beat me to first post.
VOTE: Luna Fox
This is for cancelling firefly, which I have no reason not to believe you were involved with.

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Seriously, even Heartless beats me?

>.>

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All i've said is hi and i got 2 votes already.
I'm so good at this.

On the bright side.
You are popular.

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My personal goal this game:
Be top shit poster in this game.

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Also kill is town for not voting me.

You will not outpost me Luna.

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Does anyone have any more insight in this? preferably anyone that has maybe played this setup before?

Masons will troll and not reveal until LYLO always. Don't expect them to be helpful.
Even when it definitely doesn't aide them.

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Again, I must be top poster.
Stop trying to steal my spot.

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I really think it was a innocent question to ask for someone who hasn't played this setup, putting it as Null.

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I really think it was a innocent question to ask for someone who hasn't played this setup, putting it as Null.

Why speculate when you don't know?

What? This game is like 99% speculation lol.

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@Kill What? You saying you figured out everything out without making assumptions and guesswork? An Educated Guess is still a guess.

Heartless, its definitely a Ika post. Leaning town though on Ika.

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Killthestory seems like one of those players who looks for meaning in every post, when it lacks substance she will create it!
Reminds me of some players that I both enjoy and hate playing with lol

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ToS game forums.

FM

I heard they had FM, but I thought it was only rumors!


Town of Salem gets so much love on my homesite

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k1ll gut posts are my most accurate form of reads, why would you want luna NOT to speak her mind?

Whats your reads so far?

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What's wrong with gut reads this early?
I'd argue that gut reads early are more common than later.

Some players think gut reads are pointless and random. Which they aren't.

You being worried about votes is kind of interesting, this is normal to have a train being made on someone this early on something that is usually benign. Its reaction testing.

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I'm not really worried about the votes per se.
Im worried about the issue that i don't see the reasoning behind them.

RVS are made at beginning of game to get some discussion going, then a train is formed on someone. Then we move forward from there discussing the players reaction to that.

This is like mafia 101, did you miss class?

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Analysing what people might do is useless in the long run.

Meta is easily changed and crafted. It isn't something that's used to hunt scum. That'd why Analysing who might do what is useless.

I might post this post.
I just analyzed my own mind and was right. I am god.

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Analysing what people might do is useless in the long run.

Meta is easily changed and crafted. It isn't something that's used to hunt scum. That'd why Analysing who might do what is useless.

I don't understand this, analyzing stuff is part of the game. You are saying if X is going to do Y then he is scum? Or X did Y and that is scum driven behavior.

Difference between one is determining future behavior and other predicting past behavior.

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Gut? GUT?!?!?!

I quit. *sigh*

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

you're going to get along better w/ tth than me.

We need a translator for some of your posts

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I feel so cute and cuddly with this new avatar

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What isn't real shit? O_o

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I don't see it that much different from scum hunting. When you scum hunt you are going to read players as town. The only difference is you don't search for scum as much while town hunting I guess? Emphasis, I guess.

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It just seems like a different emphasis, which really is more semantics than any. If you town hunt players others will fall into your pool for scum candidates.

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We should stop arguing over playstyles, its not really giving me anything to read into.

I want to ask does anyone have a reads list?

@Ika you think scum would go so far to discredit someones playstyle this early?
@Luna who is your strongest town read?
@Expedience what you think of everyone besides Luna?

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/looks in

yep, looks like everyone here is still town

i guess the scumbutts are gonna' be late to the party

Well you should have invited them.

I am never letting you plan out the parties anymore. Always forget something.

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actually...

i MIGHT have misjudged toothless here.

i'll sleep on it.

Are you talking about me?

Cause I am not toothless, I am a scary/cute dragon.

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I am pretty sure if I wanted to stay under the radar I wouldn't be posting as much as I have been.

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Also are you implying that I have no charm normally?
Rude.

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Um Heartless? No.

Scum can easily do that shit just as easily as I see you do it. It's called fluffing, and it's how I find scum.

Fluffing can be done by scum just as much as town.
I had one player describe my meta as such:
"If you are town, you like to goof off and are easy going with the state of the game for most part, but if you are scum you are extremely serious and display little jokes or banter"

I don't necessarily agree with that assessment, but I think it was true to an extent.

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I am pretty sure if I wanted to stay under the radar I wouldn't be posting as much as I have been.

who's scum?

I will get back to you on that when I have stronger reads.
Got a lot of null and few town as of now.

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mmmmmmmmmmmmm i dunno

tth says you're scum and she's a pretty sharp gal

you wanna' throw me a bone?

Okay:

I hope that satisfies you.

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Going into a new direction:
VOTE: Alchemist21
WHERE IS HE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

>.>

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Lately I've started keeping notes on games. It's a lot easier to remember my thoughts on the players when I keep them written down and it's just been a tremendous help to me.

Notes are for noobs.
I play in a dozen+ games at a time, 0 notes. Cause I am pro.

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Damn, I didn't see that the game started...
Evening all.

I'll catch up now.

Maybe this will encourage you to speed up
VOTE: Vedith

Vedith is like my MattZed of MafiaScum, I love the guy but Ika knows what I am talking about

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Why the vote?

Also, are you going to give the reads we asked for?

Still working on it, you can't rush art.

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Town
Ika-Nothing has jumped at me to say anything otherwise. Ika posts are Ika posts.
Expediance-I don't think he is 'newbie' like everyone says. I also notice a tendancy for players to dismiss someone as newbie and it being blatantly false, so I am going with town for him just to be the black sheep.
Luna Fox-I don't know Luna fox well, nothing has jumped out at me, entrance was odd but playing a setup for first time and asking innocent questions seems fine to me. I did so in a completely different game as town and was scum read by everyone, so I understand.
Null
Killthestory-Puts too much thought into posts, could mean trying to find scum reads as scum, could be try hard town. Don't know, I know the playstyle of hers is familiar but reading players like this is hard.
Heartless-Townreads everyone which I have never seen heartless do, then scum reads me which I try to look at as a town tell but I think it felt forced to me. Null for now.
Alchemist-He just got in, not enough content. He seems like normal Alchemist that I like, but not ready to call him town yet. Liked his entrance though.
Scum
Gob-So little content, how can anyone town read gob? Putting gob at scum for now.
Vedith-HE MUST BE SCUM BECAUSE I SAID SO!

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At least explain the vote.

Don't question me!

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Oh it's all clear to me now
Firebringer is....


A SUMMONER!

Everytime he votes a player, that player appears in the thread!!!!

Who do you want summoned next?

I am on the clock right now.

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I summon thee:
VOTE: Heartless
YOU MUST NOW GET YOUR BUTT IN HERE TTH!

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Just got game start pm. Haven't read anything yet. Will start tonight

hmmm I tried to summon TTH and I got you.

My powers are crap!
I want a refund from that gypsie women who gave me this summoning staff.

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Heartless-Townreads everyone which I have never seen heartless do, then scum reads me which I try to look at as a town tell but I think it felt forced to me. Null for now.

pshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

pshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

if you need me i'll just be in the corner "pshhhhhhhhhhhhhh"ing

You are going to be taking a shit?
TMI AntiHero, TMI!

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Back to Vedith, cause I got a mad crush on that guy <3
VOTE: Vedith

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If anyone has any questions for a read except for those on "No idea yet" feel free to fire away.

Why are you town reading Heartless and Killthestory?
Both of them are null for me.

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Also why is Alchemist town with just his few entrance posts?

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Number one shit poster is back.

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Damn it, Luna has like 20 more posts in this game than me.

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still awaiting a compelling reason for the gob scum read from firebringer.

I honestly don't got anything on gob. Its a gut read.

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255
So much stuff here. Wow, I don't know what to say stuff in here.
If you honestly don't think I would turn on players to be "political maneuvering" you really don't know me.
Its like you haven't played with me Heartless

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You really should be aiming for quality over quantity you know. We don't need a spamfest. Also, I'd like you to respond to Heartless' points regarding your reads.

Quality sucks.
Quantity rules.

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still awaiting a compelling reason for the gob scum read from firebringer.

I honestly don't got anything on gob. Its a gut read.

oh, bullshit

now you're retreating into the haven of "tolerance for gut readers" climate that's been created by us/alchemist/ika/et al.

you acted like having "low content" was some scummy offense and now it's melting into some nebulous "gut read" when it was never advertised as such. i don't buy it.

I don't really care what you buy.

I don't retreat into anything. I AM ALWAYS ON THE OFFENSIVE

RAWR!!!

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255
So much stuff here. Wow, I don't know what to say stuff in here.
If you honestly don't think I would turn on players to be "political maneuvering" you really don't know me.
Its like you haven't played with me Heartless

you're obviously VERY aware of your own meta. you've now invoked self-meta enough times where meta becomes a complete wash

Of course I am aware of my meta, I don't get this post.

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255
So much stuff here. Wow, I don't know what to say stuff in here.
If you honestly don't think I would turn on players to be "political maneuvering" you really don't know me.
Its like you haven't played with me Heartless

why is killthestory null?

You try reading a player who read every little detail into posts?
I know someone offsite who does that, last game I played with him he was scum and had me totally believing he was town.
I am being skeptical this time around for now.

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VOTE: goodmorning
Catch up.

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if firebringer and his bullshit artistry doesn't have a wagon on him by the time i get back i'm not going to be happy

So heartless, if I am scum. Who are my allies?

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thanks for telling me neither of them posted yet

lol okay.

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I actually think that goodmorning and grayfoxx could be scum.
So you might have a point.

LURKERS = SCUM. LIKE 99% OF TIME! Well on homesite anyways

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I liked Heartless' points about Fire's reads after I realized my mistake, but still didn't think it necessarily meant Fire was scum, but now Fire is indirectly avoiding Heartless' posts made towards them. And asking for pre-flip associatives on Page 12 is just terribad.

VOTE: Firebringer

Alchemist, what are you smoking?
I haven't avoided any posts heartless made.

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Way to try to misrep me though.

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Naah, I am just trying to take these games less serious.
I had a meltdown yesterday on a game. I was so angry, don't want to be that angry at a game anymore.

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What?
How is that indirect?
Seriously, thats me directly confronting them.

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^ That seems opportunistic as hell.

I thought Alchemist might be getting a bit opportunistic, but Luna seems so much worse.
VOTE: Luna Fox
OMGUSING!

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I actually think that goodmorning and grayfoxx could be scum.
So you might have a point.

LURKERS = SCUM. LIKE 99% OF TIME! Well on homesite anyways

^
Might indicate goodmorning is town, the player he's replacing never read their role PM so this seems like a low blow, considering he's now voting town and goodmorning is probably still in the process of catching up.

I am not even voting goodmorning atm.

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Naah, I am just trying to take these games less serious.
I had a meltdown yesterday on a game. I was so angry, don't want to be that angry at a game anymore.

Sigh...
Why do ppl do this.

Because people are people.

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I meant violating the ongoing game rule.

What?

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Vedith, for correction KTS is a women.

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I would like more votes on Luna.

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luna town fire shut up

Make me Ika.

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I am not even voting goodmorning atm.

You made that post when you were voting goodmorning so this isn't a counter argument.

I actually was voting you at the time of the post you made. SO yes, it is a counter argument.

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I kinda want to help you out, what does "shitless" fall under? How can I achieve it?

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Luna Fox has requested replacement.

wth Luna?

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I don't like friends. They hold me back.

All I need is people to sheep me. They don't have to like me, just agree with my votes!

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Okay I figured it out.
Heartless is a Newbie. So far no development has happened with their reads, and the trajectory of this game is going nowhere.

I just hit bingo.

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I heard that in a brooklyn accent.
is that odd?

I like you too much to fight you Heartless.
<3

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Alright first off lads (heartless), I know what the fuck I'm doing lads. Don't criticize me because you think I'm a newb, because I'm not.

Anyways lads, you want to know part of my meta? I push until I'm convinced your town. I'll throw bullshit accusations around just to test your reactions, per say. Are my arguments shit? Yes. Do I know that? Yes

Now as for Vedith, explain further as to why you voted me lad.

I like this post.
I hate when players assume others are newbies too. Its rather annoying and like the worst insult you can make (from my POV).

Id rather be called stupid than a newb >.>

Angers me so.

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Lol someone has a case of Brutal Honesty.


In mafia its kind of endearing to see

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Heartless don't lie.
You have a gun at gobs head, you are clearly forcing gob to play here.

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;(
NO TTH!!!!

I will miss you the most.

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TTH un game related we should do a hydra one day.
<3

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ANTI HERO!

We need you!
Who will I argue over reads with if you are gone!?!?!?!?

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So much stuff to read and I wasn't gone that long.

Okay:
@Gob want to explain your reads a bit more? Or satisfied with just a few words on each? I could deal with either.
@goodmorning why would you want to pushy Draynth if you would be satisfied with lynch on me? It almost feels like you are excuse your later vote of me.

Expediance sure flips on me oddly quick. Going to say its sheep town than anything else.

Ika you have any thoughts right now?

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I feel like you haven't read any of my posts at all.

@gob: That's somewhat interesting to me.

Now that I think of it, I wonder if she's trying to tie you two closer for some reason.

My reading comprehension is not my greatest skill.

I would say my greatest skill is being too adorable.

Or is that feature?

I don't understand your last sentence tie who together? Again, horrible reading comprehension.

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I am here and bored.

Anyone got questions for me?

Want my godlike insight?

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@goodmorning, I already provided a reads list earlier in this day. Not much has changed in it.
I think Luna slot might be scummy.
Anti/Heartless is not as strong of town read as was before.

Ohh and you are Null.

I dislike people tell me to play the game, when I have been playing all along.

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#AntiHero is leading mislynches!!! What else is new?

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The game is like 3 times longer than it was when you posted that.
Not a chance.
Good, I think.

Really?

Your signal:noise ratio is not where it ought to be. It's difficult to try and read you because of this.

What? Wth is signal noise ratio got to do with anythign?

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This game is a bit frustrating.

W/e Ill provide my reads list before my flip.

Maybe you guys can lynch scum tomorrow.

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Hey Warped!
How is it going?

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firebringer just claimed vt. if you wanna' see firebringer's reads list, fine but anything more is just letting scum mason hunt at this point.

Okay, I never claimed vt.

Don't put words in my mouth.

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you're treating your lynch like it's a foregone conclusion. masons don't do that.

if you turn around and claim mason, may it be greeted w/ a quickhammer.

I claim to be Watcher.








P.S Don't point its not in the setup. I know its not in the setup >.>

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That's not in the setup... If you claimed Jailor I would have believed it!

I am actually Sheriff Jailor

Role: Lead the town.

So far I am failing that.

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#AntiHero is leading mislynches!!! What else is new?

I think he has a fairly level-headed view. Can you really explain to us what is wrong with lynching you?

Umm I am town?

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I am honestly not going to sit here and prattle on how I am town and you should be voting someone else.
I can see when someone has made up their mind and is going to Confirmation Bias all of my posts regardless what I say.

So I am not going to bother.

Lynch me or don't. I am not your puppet.

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Well at L-1. Time to claim.

I am

Vanilla Townie

.

Don't have anything else to say than that.

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When all you have is a hammer, Ika is willing to use it for every purpose there is!

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So hilarious how you all assume I am going to flip scum, not even going to assume for a minute that I am town.

Someones in for a rude awakening.

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Goodmorning and you are likely town. Or being very arrogant scum.

CityElectric is Null
Killthestory is town.
gob looks scummy
Shaddowez filled in for scum slot.
Heartless/Anti-Hero is town, no way scum tunnel that hard on day 1. Wish he would scumhunt more then just tunnel though.
Vedith null
Ika if was scum would contribute more I think? Probably town, waiting for him to hammer me.
Grayfoxx don't have enough opinion on, all his posts are garbage though. Last game I played with him, he was pretty bad town soo I guess thats good?
Alchemist is ehhh I could see him being scum with Shaddowez since Luna seemed to be buddying with Alch a bit.

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gg guys!

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I am too good for you mate

Alchemist did a great bus on me though