Open 611 - Making Friends and Enemies (Game Over!)

[Heartless]

luna, you need to slow down

[Luna Fox]

luna, you need to slow down

what you mean.

[ika]

While your reason for think that post is scummy is still kinda meh (i still don't see role fishing there), considering you came up with an entirely different reason than the rest means that your purpose wasnt to incite town into doing the scumhunting for you so that you could piggyback out of it, so i was wrong about your motives, and that's why im reconsidering.

acutaly the funny thing is that i made an near empty vote on a sigle post.

everyone else started putting random reasons in which i actualy find intresintg

[ika]

now i need to think

[Heartless]

you've got about 1/3 of the game posts so far. step away for a bit and let the game breathe and come back later when other ppl have said stuff.

[Expedience]

I see clear reasoning, you seem awfully ready to hand out town-reads.

I town hunt.

I don't like this at all. How does townhunting help the town? It's not as if we're going to somehow reverse lynch them to win the game. There's a chance that you could townread scum, there's also a chance that you could get town-looking players killed by pointing out how town they look.

You should just hunt in general to try and find scum. If you're trying to find the scum by process of elimination of who is town, that's a roundabout way to say that you're scumhunting. And, therefore, no excuse for not trying to find scum based on positive rather than negative proof.

This feels like a poor excuse which was made up after you were accused, rather than something that is consistent with your playstyle.

[Luna Fox]

acutaly the funny thing is that i made an near empty vote on a sigle post.

everyone else started putting random reasons in which i actualy find intresintg

Do you agree with their reasons?

you've got about 1/3 of the game posts so far. step away for a bit and let the game breathe and come back later when other ppl have said stuff.

I'll probably step away soonish anyway since it's getting late.

[ika]

VOTE: Expedience

and post 105 has no real contents there. and is jsut anice potshot

[Expedience]

I'm asking because I want to know people's opinions.
I'm not fencesitting, i made my thoughts clear as day. Tho if people still can't understand them then they can ask.

Another contradiction? You just practically admitted to fence sitting in your previous post.
How is asking for insight wanting to know others opinions?

This is an example of how Killthestory is looking for ways to scumread people way too hard. It feels to me like she's trying to look as if she's scumhunting while not actually doing so. Nitpicking in this way is irrelevant and will take attention off anyone who Killthestory doesn't want us to focus on.

[ika]

HEY EXP, you got any real shit to add or you jsut gonna discredit eveyone

[ika]

also i read kills reason and i find it kind flimsy but still prob town

[Expedience]

My post accomplished multiple things.
1) I laid my thoughts about the setup.
2) People dropped the RVSing because now they are focusing on some content i.e my post and all the reactions to it.
3) I have now townreads on multiple people based on their reactions to this.

I do have to say that my post accomplished the goal of getting us out of RVS and got us moving.

I agree with this and don't view Luna's post on setup speculation as alignment indicative, at all. It's actually helped the game to progress, but I can't say if this was her intention.

[Expedience]

HEY EXP, you got any real shit to add or you jsut gonna discredit eveyone

discrediting everyone =/= real shit?

Then what is real shit?

[Luna Fox]

Exp, you ever seen a townhunting playstyle? Serious question.
And in case the answer is no, how much mafia experience do you have?

[Firebringer]

What isn't real shit? O_o

[Expedience]

Exp, you ever seen a townhunting playstyle? Serious question.

No, I don't know what you mean. I presume that it involves finding scum by clearing other players as town. Is it something specific to this setup?

And in case the answer is no, how much mafia experience do you have?

Not much.

[ika]

HEY EXP, you got any real shit to add or you jsut gonna discredit eveyone

discrediting everyone =/= real shit?

Then what is real shit?

discrediting everyone = busy work to look like im doing something

real shit = well i was tempted ot get a pic of shit but im gonna be real here

scum hunting, asking people quesiotns, town hunting, poe

[ika]

townhunting is a playstlye where you town hunt and then based on your town read form a poe bloc and lynch form that set of people

[Luna Fox]

No, I don't know what you mean. I presume that it involves finding scum by clearing other players as town. Is it something specific to this setup?

Not exaclty "clearing" per se. But you're close.
I basically have an easier time on picking things that town does, rather than scum faking stuff, so usually i'll find scum by them being on the people i townread the least (or not townread at all) via the use PoE.

[Firebringer]

I don't see it that much different from scum hunting. When you scum hunt you are going to read players as town. The only difference is you don't search for scum as much while town hunting I guess? Emphasis, I guess.

[Expedience]

No, I don't know what you mean. I presume that it involves finding scum by clearing other players as town. Is it something specific to this setup?

Not exaclty "clearing" per se. But you're close.
I basically have an easier time on picking things that town does, rather than scum faking stuff, so usually i'll find scum by them being on the people i townread the least (or not townread at all) via the use PoE.

That sounds really stupid, and I don't see how that precludes scumhunting at all. You were saying it as if you had to choose one or the other, but don't most people play like this anyway?

[Firebringer]

It just seems like a different emphasis, which really is more semantics than any. If you town hunt players others will fall into your pool for scum candidates.

[Luna Fox]

I don't mind if you think it's stupid.
Think like we scumhunt in reverse then lynch from the people that are "the least townie".
You shouldn't be discrediting a whole playstyle before you see it yourself tho.
I think your hesitance to trust is due to lack of experience, and i dont necessarily think you're scum for it. But always remember that what you find scummy is not necessarily because the person is scum, it could also be a playstyle clash, or the way the person portrays their words.
This tends to lead me to a lot of false positives specially with more aggresive players, so i've taken on the townhunting playstyle instead.

[Firebringer]

We should stop arguing over playstyles, its not really giving me anything to read into.

I want to ask does anyone have a reads list?

@Ika you think scum would go so far to discredit someones playstyle this early?
@Luna who is your strongest town read?
@Expedience what you think of everyone besides Luna?

[Heartless]

/looks in

yep, looks like everyone here is still town

i guess the scumbutts are gonna' be late to the party