Open 606: Near-Vanilla 40k TOWN WINS

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I wanted to be a terminator
Both are useless. It's better to follow thr bbt method of lying about a hard scumread on day 2.
That being said VOTE: enigma die heretic scum.

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Up yours vedith
UNVOTE:
VOTE: vedith

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: enigma
L-2 I have my reasons.

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It's to do with a new player coming in.

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Also you couldn't lynch me if you wanted. The anti-town brotherhood is strong.

Ooh ooh can I join?
I'm not townreading anyone for seeming really relaxed and just messimg around as there are so many its unlikely they are all town.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: asp

V/LA till 21st

I don't know if I will have Wi-Fi, if not I will still post occasionally

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Am I here?
If I am im sticking with my vote.

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Reactions upon reading up:
Oh God it's Titus. Please don't be 6 for 6 as non-town.
I second the third plan.

Am I here?
If I am im sticking with my vote.

Are you imaginary?
Is this just a fantasy?

What the difference between real and not real? Is it just semantics?

Am I real?

This guy gets it.
I've forgotten my role PM.

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Night phase should be enough for me to catch up.
I'm might PM the list mod about RS

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As a tyranid player I can empathize with this.
I'm guessing the kill might be because Titus is a good player who you don't want alive, but I'll ISO them anyway.

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Unless the doc has self-heao he is BSing

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VOTE: theworst
For blood and glory

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Mala have we played together before except when you were in the cait Sith hydra?

My lynchpool is Vampirate, TheWorst, Firebringer, Random.

why vampirate and I?

What is a townbloc

Bunch of strong townreads working together as a lynch bloc.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: duppin
Will explain when not on a train.

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Eeps sry.

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I'm pretty sure st Constantine was lying about the nature of his role unless the doc can self protect. Holidays are almosr over so I will be more active v. Soon. Half way through duppin case but need to go out.
We need to decide on 2/3 lynch candidates so we can move forwards.

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Just lost a massive post that I spent ages working on. Brilliant.

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I'm actually less sure of my duppin scumread. While ISO ing him I came across a post where he talked about if ASP was scum, which I don't think it makes swnse for scum to write. The scummy bits will come later, but for now duppin is null-scum.
I may switch to yimmy to hurry the phase up.

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hang on.
duppin ISO open in another tab.

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Alright this guy is most likely mafia. Please just confess.

VOTE: Vedith

I forced no one. I asked him to confess. I take it you have something to confess as well?

Yes The Enigma's vote was suspicious. First of all the emotionless read makes no sense. Considering he was the leading train, it makes his vote (+weak reason) fairly interesting.

I am not sold on Vedith being town just yet though. His reaction in 30 is super weird.
His logic seems flawed to me as well. If he does not like RVS, why would he find people who try to push us out of it suspicious?

I do however want to note that I do not personally think pushing us out of RVS is a town tell. I believe it is null.

dislike this entry. reeks of overconfidence and trying to be town.

@juckter - Are you even in the game?

Let's find out.

UNVOTE: Vedith
VOTE: juckter

pointless vote whilst suspecting vedith. No reason to do this and counter-productive

Firebringer, does that mean you agree with his list? Very interesting.

Oh and to be honest I don't care about Constantine's list. I am going to unvote someone I find suspicious, just because he wants to defend them.
I don't mind his town reads, but the "would fight their lynch" is a terrible list to give out, because instead of giving actual reads, he is trying to buddy with people not even getting pressured, which is fairly suspicious.
He is also being careful enough not to hard align himself with them, which means he can do a 180 on them tomorrow.
Giving out a vague list like that is pretty questionable. I'd rather see you explain your reads on them.

But oh well, his scum list is me, Vedith and ASP. (I assume).
First of all, there is no way be and Vedith are scumbuddies. Constantine also seems to believe ASP is the most towny of us.
So that most likely means he believe there is maximum 1 scum in his list (and most likely between me and Vedith). It also means he is protecting at least 2 scum.

With that said, I do however want to state that I do not find Constantine super scummy, because I have liked most of what he said so far, but I dislike this play very much and find it fairly suspicious.
So he could've been trying to deflect. ASP was the leading train, yet he still called out ASP, but he also called him the most towny of us.
Perhaps it was a busplay, perhaps nothing. In either case, this is nothing I want to pursue today, but it might be worth looking into later.

Hm to be honest I don't mind my current vote.

Still waiting for The Enigma to get replaced though.

So what is it about my slot that you dislike?

I wasn't too fond of the slot before you got replaced, and I really disliked your entrance. I do not see a reason for you to bring 40 up.
Then you continued discussing it for no reason at all. I am not entirely sure whether you were trying to pressure ASP or not, but he was the leading train which is a bit interesting because it is the only thing you brought up.

I do not understand how anyone can town read you to be honest but meh.

My vote is most likely going to end on The Enigma's slot though. I still think he was suspicious, but he still hasn't been replaced which is a shame.

WIFOM bruh. But marking this as null due to doing stuff which tends to be townie.

he then keeps going on about waiting for me whilst not doing much and then doesn't pressure mala despite hard scumreading the slot.

mhmm

scummy != don't have a townread

random is a much better not townread (if you think that's the case) lynch imo

what does != mean?

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I'm assuming != means does not equal

thx m9

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I know the reasoning is pretty weak, but it's the best I've got on anyone. I can't scumhunt for shit at the start of a game. I guess a lot of it was just you pinging me, but that was more stuff I picked up on your ISO that I felt was scummy.

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I know the reasoning is pretty weak, but it's the best I've got on anyone. I can't scumhunt for shit at the start of a game. I guess a lot of it was just you pinging me, but that was more stuff I picked up on your ISO that I felt was scummy.

Not true. I pinged you out after you voted on me and claimed I was scummy, so that could not have been your initial reason for voting me.
I'm finding it very difficult to town read you at the moment. I admit it was rather strange how people were so quick to join the train, but it's hard to blame them.

Do you have any other reads?

We have different definitions of pinging. I meant it as you feeling scummy without doing anything I directly thought of as scummy at the time.
As for other reads, I null read people screwing around (fire, Constantine, ika)
Vedith is null-town for me, very similar to his town game.
Yimmy null-scum, the initial wagonning was poor but their refusal to do anything doesn't seem town to me.
TheWorst - null-scum but I can't remember why.
Vampirate is null, will iso them but don't see the hate.
Anxiety is obv town.
I like huntress' catch up, town.

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I know the reasoning is pretty weak, but it's the best I've got on anyone. I can't scumhunt for shit at the start of a game. I guess a lot of it was just you pinging me, but that was more stuff I picked up on your ISO that I felt was scummy.

Not true. I pinged you out after you voted on me and claimed I was scummy, so that could not have been your initial reason for voting me.
I'm finding it very difficult to town read you at the moment. I admit it was rather strange how people were so quick to join the train, but it's hard to blame them.

Do you have any other reads?

We have different definitions of pinging. I meant it as you feeling scummy without doing anything I directly thought of as scummy at the time.
As for other reads, I null read people screwing around (fire, Constantine, ika)
Vedith is null-town for me, very similar to his town game.
Yimmy null-scum, the initial wagonning was poor but their refusal to do anything doesn't seem town to me.
TheWorst - null-scum but I can't remember why.
Vampirate is null, will iso them but don't see the hate.
Anxiety is obv town.
I like huntress' catch up, town.

So why did you claim you had a case on me and would give it to us later when you clearly didn't?

Idek. I have not played well this game.

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Mala is null, haven't seen them do much.

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My apologies mala. by that I meant indicative actions/ stuff that interested me in terms of your alignment.

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It takes 7 to lynch and there's 7 hours left. Why would you switch from Randomidget, the current top wagon, to Vampirate?

It's a shame I've had a really busy weekend (and forgot the deadline), didn't have the time to properly end the day or something
Unfortunately it seems like there might be no lynch. Which is quite troubling.

I'll switch from Vedith then. UNVOTE: Vedith The only problem is, to who?

Firebringer is an option. So is Vampirate, who I've had a gut read on. Randomidget I guess would be an option.

Top three wagons are:

Randomidget

(3 votes from Vedith, Anxiety, Hermit)

Firebringer

(Yimmy, Huntress)

Vampirate

(Mala, Fire)
This is a mixed bag, I dunno who to vote for. Randomidget would be easier to get a lynch, FB is ehhhhhhhhhh idk and Vampirate is another one of my gut scum reads.
......
I'm gonna with Randomidget. I want a lynch, and I looked at his meta and he scumhunts well in the beginning contrary to what he says so that's BS. He caught scum at D1. He also has very little experience with being scum it seems, so I can actually believe him acting obviously scummy, acting noobie even though he isn't. It makes sense to me.
VOTE: Randomidget
L-3.

I don't. I sometimes catch scum day 1 when I am pressured for reads and make up some BS. Liteeally everyone I've played with could tell you I can't scumhunt day 1.
I would choose firebringer over vampirate, but that seems unlikely so
UNVOTE:
VOTE: vampirate.

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Theworst. Do you think it is better to lynch town or to no lynch?

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VOTE: vampirate

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You are a softclaimed PR, you haven't actually claimed, but keep saying you have claimed, but you actually haven't!

VOTE: vamp

Pretty sure that Vamp AND RM are scum together. the way those votes were spread out there's scum spread between the two wagons imo. That's why it was so difficult to get a lynch.

I wish the VC wasn't wiped out, but I remember Ika being off the wagons and can't remember who else. :\

This doesn't make sense. We weren't going to selfvote as town so our votes are irrelevant and 1 scum can't be spread across wagons.

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Sorry @theworst missed the question.
I think in the context of yesterday a lynch would have been good but it is situational.

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@yimmy I did vote the other wagon.

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@Randomidget

If I were to hammer Vampirate right now, how would that make you feel? This is important.

@Vampirate

What do you claim then at L1? Also, way to explain your read on me, by which I mean the lack of it.

@Mod

VC for now, pls. This is like, necessary now.

I would be slightly frustrated as you hadn't given intent to hammer etc. But Tbh I'm used to that having played with boonskies a lot. I would like a vamp lynch nyt a couple more days discussion could be useful.

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I'm bored, nothing is happening.

Time to hammer.

Naaaaahhhhh, too soon. But seriously, nothing substantial is happening. And I swear to god, the Mod better put up that VC one day though.

VOTE: Randomidget
Tell me your read on Vamp now. Or a read list. Also tell me who you think is most likely scum out of those who voted you in D2? VC here: 692

I have a null-scum read on vamp, but if it is them or me clearly them.
Reads list incoming.
Probably scth. Flavour claiming is a smart move as most people won't be able to figure out what role he is. I have an idea but I don't think it's worth saying it at this point. You are a bit dodgy but your content today has been good.

VOTE: Randommidget
I don't know what to do.

I am unsure of theworst, I feel confident that vampirate might be telling the truth.
Maybe I am the problem for this town >.>

PEdit Vamp you can say yourself.

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PEdit Vamp you can say yourself.

Huh?

Messed that up hang on. That was in response to firebringer asking who you wanted lynching.
I meant to respond to the fire bringer quote by saying he shouldn't be voting if he isn't sure.

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4nxi3ty - town
ika
Malakittens
TheWorst
Huntress - null
yimmy
St Constantine the Hermit - scum
firenbringer
Vampirate
duppin

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I meant that anxiety down to the worst are town, yimmy and huntress are null and scth down are scum.

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lol, randommidgets readlist is really bad.

Still don't see how claiming a PR doesn't instantly absolve me. It would be incredibly stupid for scum to do.

Because if I was scum and you hadn't claimed I would have fakeclaimed flavour by now.

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I would have claimed librarian as that could've conceivably gone either way.

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In my opinion fake flwvour-claiming is a good idea for scum.

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Random

Why am I obvtown to you?

ika, firebringer, hermit were null in your other readlist
Why did ika move up to town?
Why did fire and hermit move donw to scum?

huntress was town for catchup
Why is she null now?

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Huntress I'm really not following how you are getting hung up on firebringer and hermit here...

Anx you are obv town because you are doing everything a townie should do.
Ika moved up because someone said this was like his town game and when I looked for myself I agreed.
Firebringer moved down because he seems on-edge and reachy today.
Scth moved down because he is refusing to generate content and I dislike the way he is using his claim.
Huntress has moved down because they haven't done anything alignment indicative for me since the catch-up.

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I think some of the people dwelling on me are scum.

Dont try to AtF dude. Don't even try.

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honestly we should be lynching between random and vampirate

the no lynch yesteryday makes it highly likely a scumbuddy was saved

unless scum decided they didn't want a free mislynch which is uh errr

this is actually a good scum tactic as we were clearly going to lynch between me and vamp so they got an extra nightkill.

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: randomidget

Let's avoid another no lynch shall we.

Either vote random or myself, which ever.

While I have scum reads on others, at this point the town has pretty made up their minds on the top 2 lynch targets. If random wants to convince others to change his vote, he might as well come up with something.

While I don't know if either 4nxiety or Hermit are scum or not, i'd like to hear random's thought process on both. Otherwise if I don't get anything i'm going to chalk it up to random throwing suspicion on both of them.

Anxiety is my biggest townread
Scth could be fakeclaiming and I dislike the way hr was refusing to do anything.

honestly we should be lynching between random and vampirate

the no lynch yesteryday makes it highly likely a scumbuddy was saved

unless scum decided they didn't want a free mislynch which is uh errr

this is actually a good scum tactic as we were clearly going to lynch between me and vamp so they got an extra nightkill.

Explain this. If you are town, the scum had an easy bandwagon to hop on and not have any blood on their hands. After your death obviously I would be the next lynch choice. Basically going on the theory that we are both town that's 2 easy, hands free mislynches.

Also you haven't answered my question. Why is it a good move for mafia to flavor claim in a open setup? If you really believe this then you should be able to back it up with logic.

And once I flip town they will still lynch you. This way scum get three nightkills over the space of two lynches rathet than two.
It isn't. It's a good move to flavour claim in this game. There are a lot of potential roles that people could be and as there are multiple PRs there is a decent chance yoy can claim a flavour without being counterclaimee. Most players wouldn't risk it but scth seems like the kind of player thst would.

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flashwagon fb vamp?

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The lynch is obviously going to be between random and Vampirate. I am not entirely sure who I'd rather lynch to be honest though.

Vampirate has bothered me all game, but random's push on me yesterday his overall play just does not make sense.

This is standard for me.

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Switching vote as nobody wants to join me in lynching Firebringer.

Vote: Vampirate

I'm up for it but I diubt eniugh people will vote him before day ends.

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Vamp. Who do you think would be scum based purely off of VCs?

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We have to figure how out how confident scum would be yesterday that we would both be lynched (assuming you are town). If thry were confident of that it would benefit them to stall out for another day for a bonus night phase

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Didn't notice anything on a quick glance of the VCs, will have a better look.

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I thought that duppin's response was off, but the worst was fairly good in that.

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VOTE: duppin
Already had suspicions, tbh I trust hermit more.

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VOTE: duppin
Already had suspicions, tbh I trust hermit more.

I mean theres on thing to trust a player and another to believe they are actually figuring the game out.

I trust hermit is town right now.
I don't trust his scum hunting on this game.

I just don't see them having TvT interactions.

Me neither.

But oh well, let's be honest randomidget, I sincerely doubt the remaining town are that dumb.

It's a shame really, I was actually leaning towards Hermit being town, but unfortunately it seems like he has pretty much confirmed himself as scum today.
There is a slight possibility he is town, so if that's the case he should just claim so we can get on with it. I doubt that is the case though. His terrible logic and him refusing to claim is so anti town I honestly can't see him being town any longer.

Hermit you have no arguments at all. You can't give a single reason as to why it would be better for you not to claim than it would be for you to claim.

"Scum is rolefishing", are you actually for real? You already claimed a TPR, why the hell would scum want to know exactly which tpr you are at this point? Fact is, they would not care.
Scum would much rather prefer you did not claim today, so they can counter claim you in lylo. For some reason you won't admit that this is the case, and instead you are trying to force a crappy OMGUS vote.

Let's be honest Hermit, you don't even have a case on me. You have nothing at all. The only thing you have on me is me trying to get a roleclaim from you, but you can't even explain how that is scummy, and do you know why? Because it is not. The pro town play is for you to claim. I have explained to you exactly why this is the better and safer play, but you are so stubborn that I simply can't believe you are town.

I am also pretty convinced that randomidget is scum as well. The way you seconded his "duppin's post feels off" read straightaway seemed like a silly excuse for you to deflect to me. Why did my reaction feel off?

I haven't played a good game, but if Hermit is truly town he has played a terrible game. I doubt that is the case though. We push him for a claim, if he claims, we wait and see if he gets counterclaimed, if not he is pretty much confirmed, but if he does we lynch him. If he does not claim, just lynch him and most likely randomidget tomorrow.

I have nothing more to add, game seems pretty simple at the moment. The last spot is a mystery to me at the moment, but we will most likely find out today.

Why would I draw attention to myself like that. Tbh at least one scum is almost certainly coasting right now.
I don't see scum tunneling as much as scth is. Scum would probably be trying to downplay the interaction.

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Tbh at least one scum is almost certainly coasting right now.

Why do you say this?

Because the majority of todays actions have focussed on small groups arguing, so there is no need for scum to get involved.

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Tbh IMO fb tendd to br trollier than hr is being tjid game.

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I mean I understand town ask questions and want answers too. That's just the thought that popped into my head when seeing your posts: very simple by the book play that scum fall into.

Here's the sitch...

I think random is obv scum from the way he minimizes his own in-thread interactions with people and the shallowness of his reads

Mala makes a whole lotta sense as a buddy: had a scumread on random since the beginning: finds avenues to not pursue him

Firebringer, duppin, hermit are without a doubt town
The Worst is close to being there too
And ika just became probably town for me

That leaves you as the final scum from my perspective. So simple questions and an offbase firebringer scumread isn't going to cut it for me.

Interact with me.

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Interact with me.

so then take a stance
Who do you think is scum that is coasting?

the way you say you trust hermit today is clashy with how you talked about hermit yesterday

Explaining your duppinvote as "already had suspicions" is a cop out.
I need to see a re-evalutation of your duppin read based on current events.

Either huntress or ika. I feel lije these are the players benefiting most (if scum) from the lack of activity.
I didn't feel like scth vs duppin was TvT as I thought one of them would've tried to disengage, or SvS as there wad a decent chance it would lead to one of them being lynched. As I already had a scumread on duppin I felt scth was the most likely town out of the true.
Duppin's latest posts have seen towny in phrasing, but I dislike the repeat pushing of hermit from a town perspective, as scth clearly isn't backing down and it just clutters the thread.

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I can find aspects of their play towny and other aspects scummy.

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don't care for that excuse

in post 971 why is duppin's response off and worst's fairly good?

It's the feel as much as anything. I felt that theworst was able to flat-out deny it, while duppin tried to slither out of it.

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Nope. Why is she scummy?

@ Random:

What was duppin trying to "slither out of" in his pre-971 posts?

Suspicion for hard pushing scth.

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Nope. Why is she scummy?

@ Random:

What was duppin trying to "slither out of" in his pre-971 posts?

Suspicion for hard pushing scth.

Seriously, stop answering peoples fucking questions.

VOTE: Random.

Still good with an ika lynch.

Not sure what's going on here. Am I supposed to ignore everyone?

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K, we're agreed, lets lynch duppin.

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Any scum want to CC me to get wrecked?

No, I am Spartacus!
Oh wait wrong galaxy nvm.

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I'm prepared to vote one of those two if it comes to it but I'd rather not.
We can still lynch duppin guys.

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heh, reaction test, sure you can use that as an excuse to back off of her if you want

-see I was calling mala scum
-ika was about to get into it with mala (not sure if he thought she was suspicious but the possibilty might arise based on her attack of him)
-duppin agreed with most of my reads and asked hermit about too
-then firebringer votes mala

so you hop on early, y'kno gotta get ahead of a possible wagon there for the cred

mala posts some
huntress and hermit don't want her lynch

you realize mala is currently posting better than random
stands a better chance to escape a lynch
ergo back off

I'm prepared to vote one of those two if it comes to it but I'd rather not.
We can still lynch duppin guys.

it's weird as fuck that you're prepared vote mala or worst considering you were townreading them
instead of bringing up huntress or ika who you thought could be coasting

That is as inn I would rather vote them than be lynched.

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Do you think lynching me at this point is productive? What do you actually gain from it?

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Dw, you guys can still win this. I would recommend re-reading thr last two days without paying attention to your previous reads as I think that is how you will. Find scum.