Open 624 Fire and Ice - Fire Mafia Wins

[beeboy]

snowman = snow = water = weakness to fire
VOTE: Viva La

[beeboy]

All of these votes are bad, even by rvs standards.

In the off chance you aren't trying to get a reaction out of people what do you think an ideal RVS is?

[beeboy]

This is going to be a fun setup trying to find scum who are actively trying to find scum (literally just town intentions).

[beeboy]

A short one where people push to get out of it ASAP.

The only way I can see that happen is by people being pressured for playing incredibly poorly creating early discussion which is exactly what we did. Using that logic wouldn't this have been a good RVS stage.

[beeboy]

Aristo, do you think Viva is scum? Or do you just want to pressure him?

This is an incredibly pointless question as he shouldn't need to answer that in this stage of the game.

[beeboy]

I can confidently say I have no reads right now.

[beeboy]

Much helpful.
So wow.

Waiting on The Shadow, Ika, Lilac, BrightEyedFish (prob missing someone) to post something.

I could tunnel in on posts that mean little to nothing to get a reaction but that would make it to easy for late arriving scum to hop on a wagon and blend in without having to make real opinions for themselves.

[beeboy]

It sounds like masquerade's giant post follows the sort of thing you're talking about in yet you haven't commented on it. Why?

I don't know if you mean you on masquerade or masquerade on you.

For you on masquerade, I wouldn't call 2 votes and an opinion tunneling and making it easy on scum to fit in.

For masquerade on you, I don't see people voting you a problem the statement that you are trying to hard to look town is bad in the sense that there is no evidence to back that up which doesn't indicate scum just a lazy claim unless Masq can't follow up with evidence to support that claim. There is a difference between stealing ideas to fit in and having your own opinion on someone currently being pressured.

[beeboy]

I was fine with something_smart making a mistake thinking viva called it a slip that is a human error. It is a bit of a stretch to call it a wagon attempt but I am ok with that since I understand the logic. The inability to admit he made a mistake discredits the town intentions in his viva scum claim and not accepting an error is incredibly scummy

[beeboy]

VOTE: something_smart

[beeboy]

A slip up is something people say in a regular day it is easy to just type that without thinking of terms it can be associated with. Avoiding being lynched isn't the #1 town concern.

That argument was never made you are trying to hard to divert attention away from yourself.

[beeboy]

You didn't say that his push was scummy you said his choice of words was a great way to get a bad lunch with no evidence. Stop trying to change the situation. Viva by no means was using buzz words like you have claimed and your posts are becoming more and more desperate

[beeboy]

Why don't you like me?
It also is a scum trait because they are paranoid they will be wagoned if they make a false claim or contradict themselves so they would try to disprove it. Town is less concerned about looking town so they would rather move on with the game and admit to a simple mistake. Also something_smart is exaggerating a lot of statements and has tried to twist what I have said.

[beeboy]

Town can be wrong but it is a scum trait

[beeboy]

I meant yes town can refuse to be wrong but it is a scum trait lol

[beeboy]

What makes Something Smart sticking to his guns scummy in this instance?

To start off the original push was incredibly forced saying the Vivo was trying to force a lynch using a buzz words. This is incredibly dramatic claim imo but it is understandable that someone would believe this.
Then Vivo explained his reasoning but something_smart refused to believe it which I already explained why I believed that was incredibly scummy behavior. Another thing is whether or not they disagree on what a slip-up is if Vivo think that a slip-up is incredibly different from a slip something_smart should have realized it wasn't a scum intent but rather a misunderstanding to he kept pushing.
(This occurred after I made the claim)
He then proceeded to try and twist my argument at the end of post 112 and in post 114. Which further discredits the town incentive in his original claim because he has been consistently exaggerating or twisting claims.

[beeboy]

@Masquerade I am still waiting on you to explain your claim on Shinobi

[beeboy]

Beeboy do you think I knew the difference between slip and slip up but purposely confused them?

I never said that what i said was even if you disagree with what a slip up was you should have realized it wasn't a scum intent when Viva said what he thinks a slip up is.
Your last 3 posts have been you saying I thought something I didn't think.

[beeboy]

My opinion is that correct play in multiball is to go for the players who are both likely to be scum and unlikely to be cross killed;

My opinion is that we should keep what we are looking for to ourselves so people don't try and avoid doing it.

[beeboy]

I think Cobalting needs to be forced to explain their reads lists right now.

Let's be honest that was definitely a reactions list.

[beeboy]

Avoid being suspected by looking useful getting us out of RVS quickly. I'm saying Shinobi wanted to gain some towncred trying to launch us out of RVS. When he got questioned about them instead of backed up, he panicked and got awkward.

The thing people are waiting for are actual quotes to support this claim

[beeboy]

beeboy!

I was so bad when we last played together! Good times.

[beeboy]

I don't understand what this means.

They weren't legit reads he was trying to get reactions out of people o.o Unless they where legit reads then Cobalting can feel free to explain them

[beeboy]

Sure, maybe, but I want explanation because it feels like she just threw scumreads on the people under the most pressure and called it a day.

I am definitely wanting more content from cobalting because pressuring doesn't really say anything about there thoughts on the game. It is just the description on that read list isn't what I want.

[beeboy]

@supreme if scum know what I believe are scum tells in this set up they are going to avoid doing it. (Obviously I would reveal if someone did it) Also it creates a situation where a scum can force me to do a bad lynch if someone does a scum tell by mistake. Or they can pressure me for not following my own scum tell. A reason I wouldn't follow my own tell is if they have a reasonable explanation.

@supreme He put me at the top of the town list for my first post of the game. Feel free to read and you will see why I can't understand that is a legit read list. Although the fact he remained consistent with it does make me admit I am probably wrong about my statement.

[beeboy]

Believe it or not atm the way Cobaltings 2 heads aren't coordinating is making me believe they are town. I don't play with or as a hydra a lot because I tend to play off-site so correct me if this is wrong or basic hydra play. Scum hydras are more likely to coordinate reads like this because it makes it easier to push bad lynches and cover each others claims. The goal of a scum would be have a plan and stick to it to end game the town. I can imagine a town hydra could easily forget to coordinate this early on since they are just scum hunting.

[beeboy]

Aristo what are your reads right now?

[beeboy]

Your vote is still on Beeboy, you have him high up on your townlist, why haven't you removed your vote?

It doesn't mean anything since I am at L-6 lol

[beeboy]

Are you intending to get to that or what's the point, exactly?

Wouldn't that ruin the experiment?

[beeboy]

Probably yeah, why did you answer that for Aristo?

Because it was an obvious answer.

[beeboy]

-.-

This game is getting boring and I am hoping Droog can make it more interesting.

[beeboy]

I am too lazy to reread the game and it is 2am.

Town
{Droog}

Semi-Town
{Aristophanes, Shinobi}

Ye Idk about these ones could go either way
{Viva La Gloria, Cobalting}

Semi-Scum
{Supreme Overlord, Masquerade, TheShadow}

Scum
{Something_Smart, SnarkySnowman, ika, BrightEyedFish}

[beeboy]

ve your reads on the top two wagons
asap

Funny enough I made a read list in place of a response for this and the top 2 wagons I cannot read right now.
Cobalting is just playing weirdly and I believe that wagon is only in place to drive more clear content.
Viva is so jumpy I cannot get my thoughts together at 2am but nothing stuck out so I don't really want to look into his slot right now

[beeboy]

Viva is scum mostly because his reaction to Shinobi on the first few pages is terrible. His logic is awful, especially since he's saying "only scum do weird stuff early" when he does weird things like looking up and posting Shinobi's profile. He's scum by his own logic.
Cobalting has made an effort to avoid analyzing anything. It makes them hard to read, which makes them lean scum.
@beeboy why are you scumreading Snarky?

Not seeing anything with viva and cobalting, don't get me wrong I see the logic I just think they could easily flip town since it isn't indicative enough for me imo. I am rereading the ISO though and I think cobalting is semi scum until they drive the game forward a bit.

Snarky isn't driving the game forward at all even more than cobalting.

[beeboy]

im amazed how ppl have been ignoring me

99% sure I am scum reading you on my post. Plz read the game and do something

[beeboy]

Droog and Silver how do you both remember me it has been 1 year lol was I that bad?

[beeboy]

im amazed how ppl have been ignoring me

99% sure I am scum reading you on my post. Plz read the game and do something

your not voting em though so my reason to be intresed is unfounded....

im waitng on silver

That's really sketchy how you are waiting for every replacement before you participate. What makes you special?

[beeboy]

I am saying you must think you are special for waiting on page 9 replacements to post before you do anything. What was your reason for doing nothing before Silver subbed in?

[beeboy]

and your still not voting me if your calling me sucm...

whats up with that?

This set up has 4 scum I can't vote all of them. Avoiding day 1 is a huge scum trait.

[beeboy]

The only reason I am not voting you is something_smart was worse earlier this game. My initial goal was to get you to talk which is what I did by not voting you I believe I got you to talk more. Also voting on mobile is annoying so I avoid it.

[beeboy]

@people who've played with ika before: does he frequently ask to be voted?
Beeboy why are you scumreading ika? Lack of content?

That was a year ago I honestly can't remember.

I was scum reading Ika originally for no content which isn't really worth and I only planned to do something if that continued to happen. Although his response is so scummy it isn't funny. The reason why I said I didn't like early wagons is because I really don't believe it accomplishes anything as they always tend to fall apart and if they don't they are usually newb town wagons. What I like about Day 1 is that it sets the tone for the rest of the game, since there isn't a lot of content it is awkward at times to post reads and it is very difficult for people to hide there true colours when it comes to what they think a scum tell is. By not establishing this tone a player becomes a lot harder to read as a suspicious action becomes can easily be justified as there is no prior information in the game for that player (I don't believe in meta). Also post 96 explains why I don't like people who post there content later in in the game.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ika

The only intent I can see with going last are scum related and I don't want to play with someone who doesn't like day 1 anyway as I think it is very important.

[beeboy]

Although being on a wagon with Supreme Overlord is troubling as I have a bad gut feeling about him.

[beeboy]

So ika doesn't like day 1, but his lack of content is not due to that and instead because he is scum?
What about his reaction was scummy?

Refusing to participate before Wolf joins is very scummy because he will have everyone's thoughts on the game before he says his so it is harder for people to question him.

[beeboy]

I just don't understand why we can't know Ika's thoughts before Silverwolf posts it isn't like he is bound to his initial reads and isn't allowed to change them.

[beeboy]

UNVOTE:

Ya something_smart and cobalting are both against this and they can't both be a potential Ika partner so I am going to wait for him to post.

[beeboy]

Waiting o3o

[beeboy]

o.o Masq I had more than one reason to unvote.

[beeboy]

@masq
This is a team based game too many told me it was town behavior so this is a matter of play styles not indicative.

@aristo
Honestly I think avoiding D1 until everyone posts is scummy behavior and I don't play with Ika so I don't know what his usual play is.

[beeboy]

-droog I'm very paranoid about because I've played 3 games with him, he's been scum each time, and won them all by fooling me into thinking he's town, for this reason alone I am not going to make a call on his alignment yet

Tfw when I was used as lynch bait in 2 of those games.

[beeboy]

I'm pretty committed to this wagon - I don't know why you think I'm not.

Yeah, you tell him you are tunneling. #ROASTED

[beeboy]

Something_Smart how roasted do you feel?

[beeboy]

What exactly are you getting at?

That I think you need to reconsider your vote.

[beeboy]

I find it cute the Ika is claiming that I am playing slowly.

[beeboy]

Can you elaborate on what changed your mind? I agreed with your first post, and think it's still true by the time of your second; why back off? Also, I don't think Cobalting was 'against' anything on ika.

I was on a wagon with you and I genuinely believe it is part of Cobalting's meta and is just a play style preference

So you don't believe in meta, but you do believe in Peer Pressure?

3 people tell me an opinion. That means that 2 people must not be on a scum team with Cobalting.

[beeboy]

Sorry that is what I meant I think I already said this I am running on like 3.5h of sleep and it is 11pm.

[beeboy]

Aero wtf is wrong with your slot.

[beeboy]

Aero wtf is wrong with your slot.

Idk. You tell me.

I don't have your role pm so I wouldn't know.

[beeboy]

These posts are long and scary so I will read them in morning since I have some uni apps to finish up.

[beeboy]

Silver can you link the game about shinobi?

Can you explain the bee town read a little I feel like his long wait to vote me feels off

I'll look into ss and so later to see when I get off

I want to sort this game asap

My uni apps are done but I have low motivation to participate in any game right now but I think it will pass so I am going to try and stick around.

I don't like Masq's unvote at all, I can't imagine anyone hammering and it was his scum read pretty much all game.

Although I really don't like Shinobi's reaction to being at L-1 it was very low effort and felt scummy. It didn't provide any reads or anything to help town and it felt as though he was trying to appeal to the fact that there was so much time left in the day and that if he did nothing about being at L-1 we would move on so we could make more use out of discussion time.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Shinobi

I am going to try and get back to being active in this game :/

[beeboy]

BTW SHINOBI IS AT L-1

[beeboy]

I mean Masq if people opposed the hammer that much they would unvote lol.

[beeboy]

UNVOTE:

I imagined more fakeness and forcedness in that.

[beeboy]

Nah I actually support a lurker lynch here, scum are inclined to kill other scum but they gain absolutely nothing by killing a lurker so the only way to get a scummy lurker out of the game is through our votes.

[beeboy]

Shadow is a scummy lurking player as he hasn't adding anything to this game so far. The scum won't want to kill him since he isn't a threat as he isn't doing anything. He is also a handicap to town because if he keeps up this behavior which nothing so far suggests he won't we are going to have to lynch him at some point.

VOTE: Shadow

[beeboy]

o.o Shadow is still alive wut