Open 631 - Diffusion of Power (Over)

[SnarkySnowman]

VOTE: shotty because apparently he has a meta of getting instalynched

[SnarkySnowman]

VOTE: pisskop wagon ho!

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VOTE: pisskop wagon ho!

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[SnarkySnowman]

Which vote?

[SnarkySnowman]

Yes.

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<<- me

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shotty did just kinda claim scum.

VOTE: shotty again

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Let's be clear that that's still scummy as fuck.

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I think I smell an Almost / Shotty team.

VOTE: Almost

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Um, you're pretty aggressive this game KTS.

you better not be implying what i think youre implying

no you have not seen my scum game lol. like ive gotten warnings for it. its probably changed by now but yeah, i have problems with it LOL

@Rhaegar 132 does this seem not genuine to you?

I'm gutreading KTS as scum right about now. Readlist coming soon.


P-edit, what duppin said? But I'm not as certain, I actually kinda like Rhaegar thus far. I agree it doesn't seem like he's taken a solid stance but it feels like he's trying to figure it out and not just pull stuff out his ass.

[SnarkySnowman]

no you have not seen my scum game lol. like ive gotten warnings for it. its probably changed by now but yeah, i have problems with it LOL

Also self meta is fucking annoying. Stop using it.

[SnarkySnowman]

Town {Rhaegar, KainTepes, duppin}
Townlean {Lowell}
Null {Kop, pistachi0n, pisskop, Autti, shotty, chilledtea}
Scumlean {shotty}
Scum {KTS, Almost}

Questions:
@Snarkysnowman: Why did you take your vote off of shotty, who you were/are calling scum, to put it on Almost. The shotty wagon still had momentum, and the almost wagon had none. It seems odd that you would abandon a good wagon on one scumspect, to place a vote on a nonexistant wagon of another scumspect.

The reason I voted shotty in the first place was because he basically claimed scum. Pretty sure it was a joke, and it fits with his meta from what I've read, but I'm reading both KTS and Almost as more scummy than shotty. He's still on my radar, but I think there are better options at the moment.

[SnarkySnowman]

Scumlean is the accurate one - I list all the names in the null pile then copy+paste them to the other piles to make my readlist, is why.

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137 was my first serious post of this game. Like I said, 97, I was more interested in Almost in regards to interaction with shotty. Again, I'm not sure I actually believe shotty is actually scum given his meta and what I've read of him.

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Derp. 134, not 137

[SnarkySnowman]

It seems to imply you don't want the wagon on him, however you don't ever explicitly call him town.

[SnarkySnowman]

pdodge

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Post coming soon, I haven't quite forgotten about this game.

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VOTE: KainTepes

Obvscum is obvscum.

I support the notion wholeheartedly. I just thought I'd give him the chance to shout at us first.

Well I can't wait for him to tunnel me throughout day 1. That is my prediction. Him going around saying "ChilleDTEACUP IS SCUM!KSUSL@!#JEHFADA".

Generally, you wait for someone to post a little before you say they are scum but I already know what he is going to say so might as well vote him for being scum.

Struck me as odd.

drmyshottyizsik

who?

I took a few years off, but used to be well know and to some widely disliked.

And snarky what's with this vote? I need a better explanation.

lol

VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

I think I got my first scum. This is easy.

*Claps* You're great at this!

Why I hopped on the shotty wagon again. Sarcastic "yes I'm scum" post. That is all.

In my opinion drmyshottyizsik is scum. He reacted way too seriously to my joke post.

Ah. OK. I see your point. Not a convincing case IMHO, but I can't argue against it either. Your vote is fine.

I think I smell an Almost / Shotty team.

VOTE: Almost

Quote above is the reasoning. It's circumstantial at best. So I wanted to vote Almost.

Hi guys. Replacing in. This is an alt account. Haven't played for about a year or so.

VOTE: Snarkysnowman

Have good reason to believe he is scum. More detail is below in the spoiler. This is the summary.

1. At the opening of the game he admits that shotty is an easy lynch and puts a vote on him. That, by itself, isn't bad, you have to vote for something at the beginning. What bothers me is that even with this knowledge, he then jumps on a shotty wagon in actually seriousness in post 36. If Snowman is as certain of shotty's meta of early lynches, you would think that he would be more cautious about a bandwagon on him, but he is not. That strikes me as odd.

2. post 47. In it he shamelessly eggs on an already bad post by Killthestory along with trying to buddy up to him. Again, with his knowledge of shotty's meta this seems suspicious.

3. post 97. Snowman says that he thinks there is a shotty/almost scumteam. But he moves his vote from shotty to almost. This strikes me as also very disingenuous. If you think two people are scum, why take your vote off the one with a bandwagon and place it onto the one without a bandwagon? That makes literally no sense from a town perspective of someone who genuinely thinks shotty is scum. Pushing a wagon without placing your vote on it is scummy as hell.

Shotty can be a sarcastic asshole sometimes. I know, cause I've played with him before a long time back. That's a neutral tell with him. I'd be more suspicious if he wasn't acting like this.

His behavior isn't indicative of his alignment.

What does interested me, however, is the people jumping on his bandwagon right away. Shotty is an easy lynch. I can't say I'd personally shed a tear if he was given the noose myself. But I do think there was some opportunism with the votes on his bandwagon.

There are always players who tend to be easy lynches, sometimes due to the fact that they may not always conform to the norms of play and therefor say/do things that would otherwise be scummy in the context of a normal player. I think those are good bandwagons to look at for scum, as mafia can get away with the "well he shoudln't have acted scum if he didn't want to get lynched" as their get-out-of-lynch-responsibility-card afterward.

I took a few years off,

but used to be well know and to some widely disliked.

Ain't that the truth.

Seems to be the fuel behind my wagon right now. However it's pretty clear my read on shotty was pretty halfhearted.

Snarky is scum. He sheeps me and blatantly buddies me, but then he gut reads me as scum as soon as I start disagreeing with him? Yeah right.

Rhea far is town. Town lean on Lowell just because I was pressuring him, but my gut said he was town. Rhaegar's explanations were also satisfactory, and it helped in his case. Well done.

Shotty is clearly town, but he's being useless. I suppose this isn't alignment indicative, but I wish he could be a little more helpful

That's kinda a stretch. I'd hardly taken the game seriously by that point.

no you have not seen my scum game lol. like ive gotten warnings for it. its probably changed by now but yeah, i have problems with it LOL

Also self meta is fucking annoying. Stop using it.

ftr stuff like this is why I was gutreading scum for kts.

One thing that Snarky did that i find curios is that he re-posted the 2 quotes from KilltheStory, that Lowell had already done.

Instead of referencing the original pickup (Lowell) he did it himself for the sweet sweet town cred.

Minor point, but something i always look out for when someone else is trying to gain cred as opposed to just hunting.

I didn't notice this part tbh. And on double check, that seems to be a straight up lie. Where did Lowell do that? I didn't find that.

Then I saw it was shotty and not lowell. Which, eh. Still weaksauce.

VOTE: KillTheStory

I don't like how he's desperately using self-meta to get us not to vote for him. He's said he plays even more aggressively as scum, but he also said his scum play has gotten him banned before. If anything, that would incentivize him to tone down the aggression. Regardless, his self-meta is coming across as desperate. He's my top scumread at the current moment.

Speaking of weaksauce...

Anyone else who agrees with the statement that rhaegar's interaction with shotty being strange?

Not really, I do that fairly often (defend players I think are town, that is).

can we lynch Snarky for real though? He's blatantly lied about his seriousness in the game, and he's pushing wagons that are probably mislynches.

Said the pot to the kettle.

No social issues. I've got a girlfriend, ton of friends, etc. Clearly I'm not bandwagoning since I didn't vote you. Provocative? Probably, I try to win all my arguments, and then it's hard for me to back off a losing position. Pot Stirring? Nah, I don't like drama. Scum? Nah, I'm definitely town.

Having a girlfriend is pretty irrelevant, though congrats. Pot stirring for certain, and possibly scum.

id rather be called an asshole then a scum because only one of those is true. the other is lie that is meant to hurt my feelings.

The asshole part is the lie meant to hurt your feelings, meaning you're scum?

Weve got another player acting like hes selling lemonade at the white house and a third who's putting in so much effort my eyes bleed when I look at this post.

this is actually a hilarious description of me. im going to use this in the future

Spoiler: what's that I smell?

buddying?

Kind of a stretch, I think.

You are voting for him because he prod dodged? Also you a quoting a vote that was nothing more than a prod dodge as well. No reasons literally just a vote tag. Something is wrong here.

SS is lurking big time and contributing nothing. It's suspicious but not an exclusive indication, so I want him to claim. Anyone who loohammers will be a PL of mine.

Not going to claim yet. Half the votes on me are pretty silly.

I'm not really a fan of the Snarky wagon right now. Rhaegar has some good analysis in his iso of why he scumreads snarky. The other players haven't given reasons. Autti in particular seemed scummy jumping on in 360 and 361. Trying to seem nonchalant and all. I'm starting to think KTS is just an annoying troll, so

VOTE: Autti

First pistachion post I like.

[SnarkySnowman]

@Snarky

A few questions for your next post:

Who are the scum on your wagon and why are they scum?
Who are town on your wagon and why are they town?
If we don't lynch you, who should we lynch instead and why?
Can you give a better explanation to question I asked you in post 180

My Wagon: Kop, Rhaegar, Killthestory, pisskop, Autti, Almost50

KTS is weak as shit, and I fairly well agree with a lot of what has been said - that he's being abrasive in what seems like an effort to distract from scumhunting rather than actually trying to find scum.
pisskop and Autti's votes were both "k i guess I'll jump on the wagon too" and Almost's posts voting me read like he already knew I was town, but I may be gutreading that one wrong.

We should lynch KTS instead, because of aforementioned distracting.

I think Kop might be town and Autti might be town on my wagon. Autti in particular, just on substance of posts.

And to comment on my activity, I took on one too many games I think; I prioritized other games over this one. I'm pretty well caught up all around though.

[SnarkySnowman]

Lowell - Town
Kop - Null Scum
pistachi0n - Town
KainTepes - Town
pisskop - Null Town
SnarkySnowman - Null Scum
Almost50 - Scum
Rhaegar - Town
Autti - Town
duppin - Town
drmyshottyizsik - Town
chilledtea - Scum

This reads fake as shit, tbh

[SnarkySnowman]

That's scummy as fuck, almost.

[SnarkySnowman]

The "problem" you base your read on would make sense late in the game - not early when random silly shit is happening.

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I have a Night 1 action, so let's not lynch me kthx

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Fine. I'm a Night 1 cop.

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VOTE: Killthestory

Definitely anti-town behavior, regardless of alignment.

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Pisskop is confirmed scum. That's a guilty.

VOTE: pisskop

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Except for the part where I got a guilty on pisskop, and he's scum. The only way there are two N1 cops is if someone had that role and hasn't claimed yet.

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Gee Gee