Open 635 - JK9++ (Game Over)

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Spiffeh

I call for a wagon here. Everyone must comply.

[SirCakez]

Sorry I had to.

[SirCakez]

Obv I know you did that as scum. That would be a quite awful "logical" conclusion though.

[SirCakez]

Show Must Go On is RC and who?

[SirCakez]

Heartless is Anti + TTH like it says in their sig.
Titus I think it was pretty obvious SMGO's "wtf" was aimed at TTH's weird joke, not anything alignment related.

[SirCakez]

oh god I'm finally going to get to see Titus vs RC first-person

[SirCakez]

Hydra PTs are a thing. If you don't have one you should ask the mod.

[SirCakez]

oh god I'm finally going to get to see Titus vs RC first-person

What's their story? Is this some usual thing of theirs and we should just watch and ignore?

...yeah they fight a lot in games, to put it simply.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=65107
That game ^ was a notable example of it.

[SirCakez]

I read the setup because I had no idea what it was other then a variant on C9++, that's not a scum tell.

[SirCakez]

the fact I feel scum are more inclined to read over the set up than town are.

This sounded like you thought it was.

[SirCakez]

3dice literally said "scum are more likely to read the setup then town". I'm stating I don't think that's true.

[SirCakez]

3dice literally said "scum are more likely to read the setup then town". I'm stating I don't think that's true.

Yes that's what I stated, but that has no indication on someone who has read it because they have an equal chance of being scum who wanted to know the setup for their teams benefit, or town who wanted to know what they were playing.

Like, that would be a double standard considering I'm town and I read the setup.

So then what was the point of even saying it in the first place if it has no indication on someone who read it?

[SirCakez]

Walking dead was a shitshow because of the hood bickering with each other constantly, not specifically because of one person.
Heartless still null af for me.
RC/Titus waiting to sort until they stop fighting and I can actually analyze the non-"you always do this to me!!!" stuff.

[SirCakez]

The last time I sheeped you away from my own scumreads onto someone else they were town
So no I'm not following your whims this time.

[SirCakez]

I could try but it's a lot harder to find AI stuff because I know they'd do this regardless of alignment.

[SirCakez]

They weren't my top scumreads

That's fair I guess since 1758 I was garbage and you were on point. But I'm not insta-sheeping like I did in the micro.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Titus
I'm gonna bite on this because Titus's initial accusation of the "wtf" comment was horrid and RC's raging feels legit.

[SirCakez]

3dice literally said "scum are more likely to read the setup then town". I'm stating I don't think that's true.

Yes that's what I stated, but that has no indication on someone who has read it because they have an equal chance of being scum who wanted to know the setup for their teams benefit, or town who wanted to know what they were playing.

Like, that would be a double standard considering I'm town and I read the setup.

So then what was the point of even saying it in the first place if it has no indication on someone who read it?

Are you reading my posts at all?

What I said about scum being more likely to read the setup is true. You called me out for saying that because you read the setup, I should be scumreading you, but that's not how it works because it would be about even.

What Anarchy did was alignment indicative. What you are saying I said is wrong.

I'm completely confuzzled by this now tbh
@Titus - this feels different from Dav and PK in that game.

[SirCakez]

Spiffeh leans town but I literally always townread him so that's tentative.

[SirCakez]

Ok Spiffeh's Heartless case sucks what else is new

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Titus
I'm gonna bite on this because Titus's initial accusation of the "wtf" comment was horrid and RC's raging feels legit.

Because ^ this Spiffeh

[SirCakez]

Good boy.

[SirCakez]

Shard what are you thinking of Spiffeh v Heartless and RC v Titus?

[SirCakez]

Shard what are you thinking of Spiffeh v Heartless and RC v Titus?

weird question. i've talked about both of these things!
~Scourge~

I mean like readswise

[SirCakez]

no

[SirCakez]

Now I feel all bad because I was scum that game :/

[SirCakez]

So your theory is scum Postie and Titus literally planned in the pregame to start off with a bs push on you?
That's reachy as hell.

[SirCakez]

That's a ridiculous theory tbh. I'm scumreading Titus but I highly doubt they would go coordinate in their scum chat pregame just to wagon you immediately.

[SirCakez]

*overreaction to Aero's vote here*

[SirCakez]

That's OK Aero you will come around soon I hope.

[SirCakez]

Witch Hunter why are you still voting 3dice?

[SirCakez]

The fact RC is willing to be lynched feels p town to me. I remember he was super averse to that in 623 as scum.

[SirCakez]

The fact RC is willing to be lynched feels p town to me. I remember he was super averse to that in 623 as scum.

Ostensibly, that is a Townie attitude.

The problem with Townie attitudes though, is that Scum know they're Townie attitudes and can do a reverse-psychology thing. The "Lynch me, but make sure you get these folks after I flip" thing has only been used by Scum in all the mafia and mafia-like games that I've seen. The occasional apathetic Townie has shown up, but I've taken to being incredibly wary of a willingness to be lynched.

- Sonic/Radical Rat

That's a kinda good point. Idk if RC is someone who'd push that as scum though.

All this RC v Postie/RC v Titus has disconnected me from the game honestly :/

[SirCakez]

Actually on reread Sircakez may lean toward the scum side.
I don't like how he dismissed my theory out of hand while still supporting the Titus lynch.
Sircakez, if you don't agree with my Titus/Postie theory why do you think that Titus put herself in this position to push on me?

Because its a scum push based on something crappy she decided to jump on early? I don't think your master conspiracy of Postie + Titus holds up.

[SirCakez]

(Show Must Go On, Anarchy Shard, Heartless)
(Ranger, Spiffeh)
(Witch Hunter, 3dice, Aero, Postie)
(Dave, ConManMick)
(Titus)

Don't have enough scumreads oddly, I usually have too many.

[SirCakez]

Wat
Like the only reads I've expressed in thread have been Titus!scum and SMGO!town pretty sure.

[SirCakez]

Oh yeah and Spiffeh town lean earlier.

[SirCakez]

That's RC every game Spiffeh

[SirCakez]

Well no one's scum with me, so trying to fit facts to untruths is kinda problematic for town.

Sircakez has shit trajectory and buddies the fuck out of people.

Who am I buddying wtf
These accusations all aren't true

[SirCakez]

ftr Yuteele thinks that Sircakez is town because he doesn't feel similar to an unspecified previous game where he was scum and that CMM is probscum because his ISO is shit.

I don't think I've had a scum game with UTL though O.o

[SirCakez]

Wait, I just realized that Titus's cakez/CMM/us scumteam is just the people voting her.

Titus isn't even trying to come up with believable positions now.

Pffffff I didn't notice that

I could do a ConManMick wagon if one comes together.

[SirCakez]

There's literally two votes on his wagon. One more isn't rushing it.....

[SirCakez]

Anarchy is obvtowning tho
No point PLing them, there are better options for the lynch today.

[SirCakez]

Spiffeh have you ever been lynched? Random question.

[SirCakez]

Besides that Jester game from Netherspite, that doesn't count.

[SirCakez]

Which games pls

[SirCakez]

@Cakez

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=64287
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=63671
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=64284

What's the point of this?

Oh those are all really old ugh.
I was looking into your typical responses to getting pressured since your response to Heartless scumreading you feels bad here. Those are too old to be useful tho.
P-Edit: yes Heartless I do exist

[SirCakez]

Move your vote to an optimal place then!

[SirCakez]

VOTE: ConManMick
I'll be back to Titus, this need to die asap

[SirCakez]

Weren't you just scumreading CNM earlier? What changed?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Spiffeh
Why are you scared of the wagon

[SirCakez]

That was like 90% a joke vote fyi since the emote apparently didn't give it away.

[SirCakez]

Ya that's what the other 10% of the vote was.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: ConManMick
Forgot to move this back heh

[SirCakez]

I like my hehs

[SirCakez]

Who is Sonic?

[SirCakez]

Titus and RC voting together? That's surprising.

[SirCakez]

Given how cutthroat they've been at each other all game, I didn't expect they'd vote together so easily.

[SirCakez]

Not a town game without me being a leading wagon at least once day 1 *rolls*
Witch Hunter's vote still being there is pretty icky now looking at it. He was townish earlier but iirc his interactions with Heartless sucked.

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

sorry I use this gif all the time on the other site I play on and Titus's comment reminded me
I'll stop shitposting now

[SirCakez]

Cake why are you making 0 effort to engage me?

Because I'm tired and not really engaging with anyone right now
But since you asked
what do you think of Witch_Hunter and Dave? Those are two slots I'm unsure of now.

[SirCakez]

like this feels like that agme where you were scum and I was deathtunneld on you for your scumshitness but like you did what you're doing here

you smug posted and stayed at a distance and didn't really commit to shit and just basically voted everyone.

Is it bad that I think Ranger might be scum?

is it bad I think you're a moron?

I didn't distance and avoid you that game p sure. I remember trading lots of walls and insults with you while shos and co just went around and voted literally everyone else besides me for some unknown reason.

[SirCakez]

(Show Must Go On, Anarchy Shard, Heartless)
(Ranger, Aero)
(Spiffeh, 3dice, Postie)
(Dave, Witch_Hunter)
(Titus, ConManMick)

Redid this

[SirCakez]

Dave for doing shit to scumhunt and I hated his 3dice/CNM votes, they were pop-in votes with no commitment behind them
Witch_Hunter because his whole "there might be a quickhammer at L-4!" thing looked fake af and his interactions with Heartless stunk. Lots of throwing shit back at people, little real scumhunting.

[SirCakez]

Dave for doing shit to scumhunt and I hated his 3dice/CNM votes, they were pop-in votes with no commitment behind them

The 3dice vote was because I saw the same thing that you're accusing me of -- no followup. The difference is that I'm doing it on purpose to see what, if anything, people will do.

The CMM vote was an explicit sheep. Kinda hard to make a better case on him than was just made in the page or so before my vote.

So
What did you learn from this 3dice vote?

[SirCakez]

Ok that I definitely remember, was pretty funny honestly.
I don't see how my play here is similar to that at all though.

P-Edit: Borderlands me was just joining the leading wagon every day and staying relatively active and getting away with it for some reason. These games are not even close to comparable since there was never even competing wagons in Borderlands. It just went (Dwlee, wgeurts, Nicole, Almost, Nero) with little attempt to go elsewhere.
P-P-Edit: Yeah, was my first game with RC iirc

[SirCakez]

Where have I been "smugly self-assured" here O.o

[SirCakez]

Ok that I can see as smug when put together
I really don't get how the "heh" is a scumtell tho

[SirCakez]

Because the wagon sucked and I was legitimately surprised those two could agree on anything after 30+ pages of throwing everything but the kitchen sink at each other?

[SirCakez]

We're going back to Titus? OK then
VOTE: Titus

[SirCakez]

That wasn't hammer.....

[TheShadow]

Like I'm p sure that wasn't even close to L-1, haven't seen a VC in a bit though.

For the record, it was L-1

[SirCakez]

The doc claim makes her play make a lot more sense. I don't really want to lynch her rn.

Elaborate por favor

[SirCakez]

I'm suddenly worried about RC now
This really sudden shift to townreading Titus feels wrong, like she's trying to avoid being involved in a PR mislynch or something

"I'm saying that she pushed on me in the first place in a way she wouldn't normally because she wanted to sort my slot to know if I was town and suitable for being doc protected."

Like this is really illogical.

[SirCakez]

I'm suddenly worried about RC now
This really sudden shift to townreading Titus feels wrong, like she's trying to avoid being involved in a PR mislynch or something

"I'm saying that she pushed on me in the first place in a way she wouldn't normally because she wanted to sort my slot to know if I was town and suitable for being doc protected."

Like this is really illogical.

It's perfectly fucking logical.
Maybe Titus was right about you two.

Did Titus even say that's what she was trying to do
Like if she did say that then maybe I'd buy it

[SirCakez]

GS is Gunsmith, that's a town role....

[SirCakez]

I've never rolled Doc but when I was BG in Basic uPick I basically played like a VT. I didn't put some big effort into "finding if someone is a good target to protect through accusing them".

[SirCakez]

The GS thing was a response to Anarchy in 951.

"wanting someone else wagoned" that's not a scumtell, that's the bullshit people used to wagon me in 1758

[SirCakez]

at this point i just want to let postie go ahead and say whatever reads she wants to say and then have everyone either vote cmm or cakez

Didn't you say you were townreading me?


Also Witch_Hunter's replace out is shady as hell. Don't let that keep going unpressured.

[SirCakez]

Oh I thought you meant you wanted a wagon on one of those two, not that they were the only viable ones k.

[SirCakez]

I'd start a Witch Hunter wagon but the a lot is empty soooooo
VOTE: ConManMick
Back to this once again <.<

[SirCakez]

Its in the last VC....

[SirCakez]

Also in Replacement Requests

[SirCakez]

Ok yeah that vote from 3dice stunk.
Did you think I made up Witch Hunter replacing out or something? Wtf

[SirCakez]

OK so cakez is at

L-2

L-3. I really don't like his last vote post. Left room for the possibility of an accidental hammer. I think I'll put my vote here. VOTE: SirCakez

L-1

PEDIT L-2

That's L-3 iirc
Regardless that vote reason is terrible lol
"Leaving room for an accidental hammer" that stinks

[SirCakez]

Aero you stole my gif
I had been scumreading Titus consistently. Was just trying to keep a wagon together on a scumread since it seemed liie whenever I moved to CNM or Titus a wagon would form on the other.

[SirCakez]

Titus you taught me about VCA. If CNM is scum, how would I, his counterwagon, also be scum?
@whoever said no one is townreading me - that's bull, get that out of here pls.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: dave
Good vote to start

[SirCakez]

RC, please try to stay in hydra, or pick up the posts if you slip.

Look really hard at the people who

didn't

at least call me scummy.
Look the hardest of all at people who called me scummy after 800, but didn't vote me. They're the ones trying to see if they can line up a next lynch by gauging the response.

His entire ISO is terrible posts like this.
I always open days with a vote 3dice unless it's MyLo/LyLo.

[SirCakez]

Someone seems hyper aware of his meta

I am :p

[SirCakez]

(Show Must Go On, Anarchy Shard)
(Ranger, Aero)
(Spiffeh, Titus, Postie)
(3dice)
(Witch_Hunter, Dave)

[SirCakez]

How is Ranger death tunneling you?

[SirCakez]

How is Ranger death tunneling you?

I feel like she's addressing my posts, but not really addressing me as a player.

That's not a death tunnel?
That feels like pretty heavy misrep.

[SirCakez]

Why did this 3dice wagon get traction so quickly but dave dodged any votes other then mine completely

[SirCakez]

Dave do something to scumhunt
That Aero vote is horrific

[SirCakez]

I think 3dice is at L-1? We need a VC.
Rhaegae catch up quickly please, you're in a pretty scummy slot.

[SirCakez]

I do agree with Spiffeh its weird how fast that general "3dice is scummy" consensus formed. Especially since Dave is still dodging any real pressure.

[SirCakez]

I also thought it was L-1 for the record, felt like there were a lot more votes on him then 3.

[SirCakez]

Cakez is more nulltown, and Sonic didn't give a read on Postie (who i think is town)
Cakez is eh, i don't remember if i have a read on him.

What the hell?

[SirCakez]

Spiffeh wouldn't NK Heartless imo. I'd see him killing RC or Ranger maybe.

[SirCakez]

Song of Ice and Fire uPick is only game I've seen Spiffeh scum in I think

[SirCakez]

Performing large division = becoming confirmed town?

[SirCakez]

I was being sarcastic

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Rhaegar

[SirCakez]

Rip Aero
Where the hell is Rhaegar?

[SirCakez]

Rhaegar needs to get in here and do things or get replaced basically.

[SirCakez]

The game is so inactive and deaf though.

[SirCakez]

dead*

[SirCakez]

Alright then, Cakez. Let's make it less inactive/dead.

Where were you on the night of the 15th?


In all seriousness though, you got any questions for anyone still around? Any interesting reads you'd like to share? A confession that you killed Heartless?

Actually I just went and checked this out so

Titus why are you completely ignoring the Witch_Hunter slot? Your ISO is avoiding all interaction with the slot.

[SirCakez]

I went through your entire ISO and there is a complete lack of taking about anything in that slot, either Witch_Hunter or Rhaegar. Its not just while you were on V/LA, its throughout the entire game.

[SirCakez]

Based on this page alone, I want to lynch Rhaegar

Whoa whoa whoa where did this come from?

[SirCakez]

It is scummy, especially when there was obviously a wagon coming together over the last couple pages and you still had no comment on the slot until now you suddenly want to lynch Rhaegar? I don't buy it.

[SirCakez]

Agaon, your entire ISO is devoid of interactions or even talking about Witch_Hunter/Rhaegar. Its not just during your V/LA.

[SirCakez]

Yeah we really need a replacement for the Rhaegar slot. Spiffeh slot is less important.

[SirCakez]

Thor catch up quickly and give us your thoughts, you're in the hot seat right now.

[SirCakez]

I want to see Rhaegar slot flipped, then if it's a scum flip we powerlynch Titus.

[SirCakez]

Yes because lynching a player who has ignored a slot that flips scum all game is SUCH bad thinking isn't it?

[SirCakez]

Ok yeah Titus has to die at some point.

[SirCakez]

SMGO, Anarchy Shard both still strong town
Aero, Ranger and Spiffeh slot are town leans
3dice and Postie nullish now, Postie's posting has gotten worse.
Dave is nullscum by himself
Thor and you make up my scum tier

[SirCakez]

My scumreads are you, Thor and Dave. I'm pretty sure people other then those agree you've been dodging the Rhaegar slot all game.

[SirCakez]

Anarchy Shard addressed it and I'm townreading them?
Because I still hate his "I'm acting scummy on purpose" thing from earlier but not as strong on him as I am on you and Thor.

[SirCakez]

That quote was sarcasm Thor.
You're in the hot seat because Witch_Hunter was a scumbutt and replaced out, then Rhaegar replaced him but did nothing and got replaced himself, so now we have you.

[SirCakez]

That was a hypothetical scenario. I said earlier that if Thor slot flipped scum that we should lynch Titus and Titus called it bad thinking.

[SirCakez]

And that's why I didn't want to lynch the empty slot.

Thor's looking pretty darn good if you ask me, and most of my Witch_Hunter scumread was activity based anyway ( they seemed super lurky, and the posts looked forced ).

UNVOTE:

- Sonic/Radical Rat

He's only made like...three posts. This seems quick.

[SirCakez]

You realize Thor does those easily every game regardless of alignment?

[SirCakez]

It's not like I'm absorbing him of all suspicion here.

He's just not a hard scumread.

The way you said "his content is quite good, super logical" and "my scumread on the slot has dissipated" sure sounds like you have.

@SirCakez - who is the scumz and why?

Titus is scumz for a history of misrepping, tunneling obvtown like SMGO earlier, avoiding all interaction with certain slots like yours.
Dave is scumz for lurking constantly, saying he was acting scummy on purpose, generally crappy scumhunting
You are scumz currently because Witch_Hunter had dodgy sucmhunting, didn't vote someone to avoid "rushing their wagon", bad reaction to being townread. Rhaegar just didn't do anything while in your slot.

I have a vague idea of how Scum!Fork functions and this doesn't feel like it.
This reminds me a lot more of the newbie where I was scum vs him than any of the games I've seen him as scum.
Hard to explain especially because I can't bring up the majority of the reasoning.

And Thor is right here in principle. WH may be scum but I'm pretty damn sure Rhaegar didn't site flake because of his alignment in this game.
I'd expect Scum!Thor to do a lot more stonewalling and obstructionism and twisting people's words and making the percent plays sort of Adenine style.

I'll get a much more concrete read on him when he's caught up and has reads and reasoning and shit.

Who is Fork?

(This is a straight up admission that I'm not going to read the entire game - bank on it)

That's going to be problematic inevitably.

[SirCakez]

saying he was acting scummy on purpose

If you think I'd do this as scum, there's no hope for improving your game.

Sounds like a really convenient excuse to pass off your scumminess to me.

[SirCakez]

Titus is scumz for a history of misrepping, tunneling obvtown like SMGO earlier, avoiding all interaction with certain slots like yours.

Why is SMGO obv. town?
Also, is mine the only slot Titus has avoided interacting with?
As an interesting aside, I checked, SMGO also avoided interacting with my slot - so I'm super interested to hear your thoughts here.

Strong scumhunting, active sorting, the 1v1 vs Titus ending in SMGO completely flipping their read on Titus looked town although I think they're wrong, the entire 1v1 in Titus in general looked town to me.
It might not be, I only looked in her ISO for comments on your slot since that's what I was suspicious of.
That's not true, I just checked their ISO. 768 and 771 are talking about Witch for example, and RC jumped on the Rhaegar wagon while Titus avoided discussing it. Yeah they didn't talk about your slot a ton but they didn't avoid your slot to the extent Titus did.

Dave is scumz for lurking constantly, saying he was acting scummy on purpose, generally crappy scumhunting

Have you played with Dave as town and seen him not do this?

I don't have a completed game with Dave actually iirc.

You are scumz currently because Witch_Hunter had dodgy sucmhunting, didn't vote someone to avoid "rushing their wagon", bad reaction to being townread. Rhaegar just didn't do anything while in your slot.

What do you think of my rebuttal's to Postie, who offered up these same points?
I dismissed them all basically out of hand. The only one you add is "dodgy scumhunting" to which I counter with "player replaced out and left site so...duh"
Where's the fire?

I didn't read through your responses there in detail. I could go more indepth on my scumreads on the previous occupants of the slot but it would be pretty pointless since that player is no longer here to respond. You can defend your predecessor yeah but you aren't the same person. Better to try to read you.

That's going to be problematic inevitably.

Why?

Because a lot of important stuff happened early on?

[SirCakez]

I have 3dice as null because his posting has been pretty meh but the pile-on on him earlier today was really shady.

[SirCakez]

That's not true, I just checked their ISO. 768 and 771 are talking about Witch for example, and RC jumped on the Rhaegar wagon while Titus avoided discussing it. Yeah they didn't talk about your slot a ton but they didn't avoid your slot to the extent Titus did.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7825984

I don't get this classification for what qualifies avoiding my slot or not.

Mainly the complete lack of address by Titus towards the Rhaegar wagon while SMGO joined it.

I don't have a completed game with Dave actually iirc.

Is that a yes or a no?

No because I don't have a completed game with him

I didn't read through your responses there in detail. I could go more indepth on my scumreads on the previous occupants of the slot but it would be pretty pointless since that player is no longer here to respond. You can defend your predecessor yeah but you aren't the same person. Better to try to read you.

I would agree since the case on me is as empty as empty could be if only using the case on WH and Rhaegar.

Ok?

Because a lot of important stuff happened early on?

Oh, snap, like what?

The Titus vs SMGO, CNM wagon, basically everything Spiffeh posted, etc

[SirCakez]

Mainly the complete lack of address by Titus towards the Rhaegar wagon while SMGO joined it.

Going just off mod VC - the wagon peaked at three votes with a whole ton of people not seeming to get excited by it.
Why was it such an event that Titus needed to comment on it, and not doing so made him scum, while SMGO sheeping along on a null read wagon is obv. town.
I don't get it.

It was clearly the main topic at the time, and that's not the only thing making her scum.
Same for that not being the only thing making SMGO obv town.

No because I don't have a completed game with him

So why do you think he would scumhunt better than he has?

I have no idea how he scumhunts as town, but if this is town it's seriously weak.

The Titus vs SMGO, CNM wagon, basically everything Spiffeh posted, etc

Why is Spiffeh's posting so exciting?

Because it's an entire player slot?

[SirCakez]

Ok so now that that's played out I can say I'm pretty sure Titus is scum regardless of Thor's alignment now. That reaction test was absolute garbage and she acted like mentioning Backup was some huge scumslip which it's not.

[SirCakez]

Oh I forgot I was still voting you
VOTE: Titus
There

[SirCakez]

For the record, I still think davesaz is town. I think the way he reacted to that reaction test thing Titus pulled was bad, but not scummy.

My lynchpool is Thor/3dice.

Wtf
We aren't lynching either of these people

[SirCakez]

@Cakez - why do you oppose my lynch, isn't Titus' connection to me kind of a thing for you? I know I pointed out the lack of logic in you voting me over Titus, but theoretically I could still be scum in that situation, so...?

Titus's 180 on you and terrible push from the "reaction test" is blatant scum. I don't think it's bussing from how she's pushing it.

[SirCakez]

Not knowing Backup isn't in the setup isn't a scumtell/scumslip and I'm very sure Titus knows that.

[SirCakez]

180 on Thor, not Postie?
Not denying the claim could actually be a scumtell unlike the backup thing but I don't find it as indicative as the deathtunnel Titus had on Thor for multiple pages indicated she found it.

[SirCakez]

Titus knows how to drop crumbs as scum, that's a terrible reason to townread her for.

[SirCakez]

Titus knows how to drop crumbs as scum, that's a terrible reason to townread her for.

Maybe that's why that's not why I'm townreading her.

Someone said they were townreading Titus's crumbs, I don't remember if it was you or someone else

[SirCakez]

I'm not lynching Thor, vote Titus

[SirCakez]

Oh yeah I could still lynch Dave too
But Titus is preferable

[SirCakez]

Titus you are a smart player. Do you think the entire scum team would wagon you together?

[SirCakez]

Oh Postie might be scum now. Was null on her earlier but that's shaking.

[SirCakez]

How is Titus caught in a massclaim if she's scum?

[SirCakez]

I know how letter games work. A massclaim doesn't instantly confirm you as scum or anything, it would just create discrepancies obviously.

[SirCakez]

Aero and Expe need to get their votes onto a wagon that will actually happen.
Anarchy that's not happening today.

[SirCakez]

He was prodded earlier today and hasn't responded yet

[SirCakez]

pffff Expe might be scum

[SirCakez]

I'll vote Dave if necessary for deadline.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: davesaz
Deadline

[SirCakez]

Anarchy trying to start a wagon on me so close to deadline is awful.

[SirCakez]

You two are the ones who only tried to get new wagons going only a day or two before deadline...

[SirCakez]

There is indeed scum on the wagon in Titus and maybe Postie unfortunately. Hopefully bussing though.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Titus
Dave town flip is EVEN more evidence for this being scum.

[SirCakez]

Calling it right now Titus strongarmed her buddies into no killing so she could try to use it to save herself.

[SirCakez]

Ranger is townreading me and scumreading you, killing her as scum would be idiotic for me.

[SirCakez]

What the hell...
I'm saying you chose to nokill and now you're trying to buddy up with obvtown Ranger using your "clear"

[SirCakez]

How is that logical? If I was scum and wanted to mislynch you then I'd kill someone like SMGO who is hard defending you, not someone who is hard scumreading you and wants you dead.

[SirCakez]

Who are these "smartest players on site" you keep mentioning?

[SirCakez]

There's other, more plausible, theories but the theory you chose clearly shows you expected a dead Ranger and didn't actually think through the options.

This makes literally no sense jfc
I said scum likely no killed to give you towncred, Ranger is irrelevant

[SirCakez]

There goes the remnants of my Anarchy townread

[SirCakez]

If you're town?
Anarchy, Postie, Expe, Aero would be my scumpool

[SirCakez]

I love how Anarchy has just developed this super-strong scumread on me really suddenly with little to back it up. Reeks of scum looking for a new mislynch with Dave and CNM gone.

[SirCakez]

Why those four?

Postie, Anarchy and Expe are in my scum pool with you currently, but reasonably at least one person in my scum pool is town and Aero has been doing absolutely nothing to scumhunt and has been content with the leading wagons so he makes more sense as scum if you're town.

[SirCakez]

Why are those three in the scum pool?

Expe because his read on me is cancerously bad and his townread on you stinks
Postie for being stuck on Thor/3dice for most of yesterday and now today as well despite both being pretty townie to me
Anarchy for their terrible jump on me today and general lack of contribution yesterday

Massclaim is fine but some sort of order needs to be put together. Or popcorn.

[SirCakez]

I want 3dice behind Anarchy and Expe.
The only experience you have with me as scum is Borderlands Titus. You acting like this god at reading me when we've finished what, two games together, is pretty awful.

[SirCakez]

Also Postie should be much further up as well.

[SirCakez]

What's GTSO?

[SirCakez]

All right, I'm a VT
Postie should claim next

[SirCakez]

Then Anarchy

[SirCakez]

Why the hell should Ranger claim?
From your perspective she's confirmed town...

[SirCakez]

Why the hell should Ranger claim?
From your perspective she's confirmed town...

So everyone can know why Ranger's got messed up and if she claims the obvious deduction, we can doctor circle and be really fucking overpowered.

She just has to be set straight first.

This makes no sense

[SirCakez]

Lol no the post just makes no sense
To me it reads like "if Ranger claims everyone will know why she is messes up and then we can set her straight" which is ???

[SirCakez]

Expedience -> Thor -> Sircakez -> Ranger -> TSMGO -> Postie -> Aeronaut

acceptable to all?

This is fine I suppose
I already claimed though
@Thor - I thought it was an alternative to popcorn. My bad.

[SirCakez]

Ok then Expe should claim

[SirCakez]

LOL
Pre-flip associatives + extremely sudden and strong townread on Titus + extremely strong and sudden scumread on me = scumscumscum

[SirCakez]

Scummy people like Titus and Postie are pushing all over him for bad reasons

[SirCakez]

Of course you do Postie you're scum

[SirCakez]

It started because RC apparently has relevant results and wanted to out them.

[SirCakez]

Because it could affect how scum fakeclaims presumably Anarchy

[SirCakez]

I can't read SirCakez.

You just said there was no way I was town earlier....

[SirCakez]

Yo you should claim!

[SirCakez]

PopVote: 3dice

Not sure why you're resistant on this

[SirCakez]

I asked that earlier and she said something weird about making a Doctor circle iirc

[SirCakez]

Why are people being so resistant to claiming? It kind of makes me think there are scum who don't know what to fakeclaim.

[SirCakez]

Uhm claims by now are
Titus - Doctor
Thor, Anarchy, Expe, Aero/FA and myself have all claimed VT.
Show Must Go on, 3dice slot, Ranger and Postie have yet to claim.

[SirCakez]

Ranger -> 3dice -> Postie -> SMGO is fine with me

Just get it done with

[SirCakez]

OH would you look at that?
SMGO makes a TON more sense as an attack target then Ranger too

[SirCakez]

So now we can cut the bullshit and lynch Titus, yeah?

[SirCakez]

Titus is a her fyi Thor
Anarchy's obvtownness started disappearing at the end of yesterday. Basically they started getting very opportunistic and much less scumhunting from them.

VOTE: Anarchy

[SirCakez]

Titus is a her fyi Thor
Anarchy's obvtownness started disappearing at the end of yesterday. Basically they started getting very opportunistic and much less scumhunting from them.

VOTE: Anarchy

You treated a claimed Doc as confscum after a no kill, then tried to push some narrative that she forced her buddies not to kill and treating that as damning evidence.

If it's opportunistic to push that, then I guess I'm guilty as charged.

Confscum? No. A top scumread? Yes, because it looked faked. And now that we have two other Protective claims, it probably was.
It was probably just scum hitting a Protected target instead of a nokill now.

[SirCakez]

Thor replaced Rhaegar before Night 2 though

[SirCakez]

Oh thought you were talking about Night 2 kill my bad

[SirCakez]

Fyi if Postie is scum then Titus is guaranteed scum with her.
Postie/Titus/Anarchy feels like a really likely scum team to me.

[SirCakez]

Titus would do that as scum
I don't have experience with Postie so not sure about her

[SirCakez]

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Anarchy scum flip is a huge pointer to Titus.
Postie's crumb could have easily been faked, not sure why that's being used as a towntell.
Pretty sure FA is town with how people keep falling back to voting her.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: FA

I'm fine with here, SirCakez, or Thor. Nowhere else.

VOTE: FA

[SirCakez]

Admitting it's scummy doesn't make it not scummy....

[SirCakez]

I'm worried RC might be scum now with the Anarchy flip and Expe kill

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Cakey

I want this. You basically lynched one of my biggest townreads yesterday. My turn.

We are not lynching Yume today. I'd rather no lynch.

This is hilariously bad considering I wasn't even a wagon leader on them.