Open 675: Pick Your Power X/Y (Game Over!)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I picked

2

and I was

town

1 Dunnstral

If I were scum my team would have picked the numbers 1, 2, and 10 exactly and we'd take both vig shots and the neighborizer (yep

VOTE: dunnstral

i'm honestly shook tho dunn i thought you were picking 2 100% of the time and it's why i didn't lol </3

although i didnt know we could pick any number otherwise i would have gone with 1917

[gigabyteTroubadour]

really though do you guys think scum picked 1 multiple times? this amount of 1 picks is suspect

dunno. 1 is kind of a number i'm not shocked to see a lot of people pick so i haven't really thought much about it

it's something to look at later in the game imo

also gotcha on two

[gigabyteTroubadour]

VOTE: Spade_Ace

I'm thinking that scum are more likely to pick a higher number like that since they don't feel as personally driven to get PRs.

Then why vote for schadd_ first?

also in both pyps i've played scum generally did pick higher numbers

[gigabyteTroubadour]

1 vote should be a policy lynch, right?

hwhat

also dunn i don't really know if i want to make arbitrary decisions like that before sorting the entire playerlist. like that's a bad call if two 1s are scum

i can vibe with that later in the day i guess

[gigabyteTroubadour]

wheme that doesn't help what do you mean by "1 vote"

everyone has one vote...?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

1 Prince Lyon
1 Dunnstral
1 Transcend
1 davesaz
1 killthestory

are you saying we have to pl the people in this grouping...?

i mean tbh i'd policy lynch transcend at any given moment but that doesn't make it good play

also i can get down w the prince lyon wagon

VOTE: Prince Lyon

[gigabyteTroubadour]

you ok there

[gigabyteTroubadour]

So what you're voting me for being right?

And no I voted schadd for rvs. Spade is sorta rvs but I have an actual point. On phone so phrasing will be wonky.

nah i'm voting you more for townreading dunn and whemeplay and wanting to do something with my vote

the point is true, yeah, but the information to make that vote was already there so why not make it in the first place? it just seems weird

[gigabyteTroubadour]

the point is true, yeah, but the information to make that vote was already there so why not make it in the first place? it just seems weird

actually now that i think about it this makes more sense from a town perspective

VOTE: Spade_Ace

let's do this

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I picked 1 you dolt

?

that has nothing to do w what i was saying?

i was just wondering why you didn't vote spade in the first place if you thought his pick was scummy, but then voted schadd_ first considering we had a long pregame to think about that

townreading dunn

wow!

dont get cocky

[gigabyteTroubadour]

dunn vote spade with lyon and me?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

VOTE: gigabyteTroubadour

[gigabyteTroubadour]

VOTE: whemestarVOTE:

[gigabyteTroubadour]

it works in both senses of "bad" too

[gigabyteTroubadour]

wait you're still voting for lyon

he's town i'm pretty sure

[gigabyteTroubadour]

wait you're still voting for lyon

he's town i'm pretty sure

how would you know?

i make reads as I play mafia

but no

his weird going off of his rvs vote to make a semi-serious vote and then go off on another tangent feels clumsy in a way that i feel is hard for scum to fake

like the second vote didn't make sense at first but then i realized he probably didn't look too closely at the draft until we talked about it and wanted to try to make an ai read off of it

not caring about the draft and scumhunting are pretty strong towntells imo

[gigabyteTroubadour]

srceenplay ur an interesting fellow

talk to me about why i'm wrong tomorrow then i'm interested

[gigabyteTroubadour]

townreading spade, so let's kill this:

Giga seems town (page1-2)

Prince looks suspicious (page1-2)
Keep transcend in the game. No PL. He is useful in later rounds.

VOTE: Alban

not really liking the way these reads are presented

why am i town? what do you think of trans and persi's read on me in juxtaposition?

also not really getting lyon as scummy. i'd wagon uzi with him but i want uzi to post a bit more, i like this better.

gbt, come try to pocket me

you're my strongest tr atm actually

also would like transcend and persi to explain their scumread of me and point to what posts are too tryhard for him because i don't think i'm tryharding at all??

persi where did you get the idea i've researched anything? I've played this specific setup once and a similar one recently, i'm going off entirely off of experience when i talk about set-up related things

[gigabyteTroubadour]

giga always feels like town

also alban this is bs to note because i rolled scum only once and my game was atrocious and obvious despite the fact i coasted to a clean sweep

so dunn has only ever seen me as town :/

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Either i m getting paranoid or there is a major contradiction there. So what do u think? Mafia want PRs or dont want PRs?

do you think a seemingly obvious contradiction like that is scummy though?

bang what do you normally find scummy?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

nothing is really pinging me as scummy besides maybe Wheme.

i don't get scum!whemeplay btw

[gigabyteTroubadour]

hi titus!

transc, lyon, dunn, alban
:T titus, bang, srceme, peng, killth
:< gbt, spadeace, persiv

that's a readlist

why is alban town

that and me scum are basically all i can't really vibe with. i think spade is town but i can see why he might be scummy

transcend and persi still need to get back to me on my question from earlier :/

also lyon what are your thoughts on schadd

[gigabyteTroubadour]

KTS, BangTheMafia, Spade_Ace} none of these guys r towny

Transcend isn't top town

also i disagree with this too

dunn you're not doing a lot and your reads are weird. it's kind of worrying me

like i completely forgot you were scumreading bang already

[gigabyteTroubadour]

tbh with bang some of his stuff feels genuine but the things he calls out are kind of shallow

he's my frog-in-a-blender read

[gigabyteTroubadour]

There's no solid reason for me to tr/sr people in these early pages. That's why words like 'seems' and 'looks'. Giga's posts seemed natural, Prince's came across as a bit ott.
I noticed Dunn's post coz it's relevant to my read of Giga.

also alban this doesn't really answer my question...?

what do you think about the fact that persivul and transcend basically said the opposite about my posting? like can you see their pov i guess

and can you bms about what's odd (ott?) about Lyon?

the last clause is also a separate opinion that i have

?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

that and me scum are basically all i can't really vibe with.

imagine your

bad vote

thing but with

bad opinion

ah ok

yeah i'm hoping you could explain why you townread alban then?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

*don't scumread

??

[gigabyteTroubadour]

But, 3 posts and 12 minutes later in 35 you change the vote to Spade. So, there's no reason for the lyon vote. Plus, in 33 you (at least I think you're referring to yourself, the wording is bad) you townread dunn and wheme. On page 2. Like WTF?

the reasoning for the lyon vote was simply because i was townreading dunn and wanted to move my vote to somewhere. usually in the early-game when i don't have any scumreads i just sheep a townread's vote, and I was townreading Whemeplay.

spade vote changed because i looked back and realized that what i found weird about lyon (and thus made me comfortable to vote him with wheme) was actually town indicative, so i followed his vote

also not sure how 43 translates to either scum motivation or attempting to be a town leader...? i like to pull wagons together with my townreads in the earlygame and i think that's pretty normal. dunn had me as a strong tr too so idk how he didn't get that but w/e

dont follow how 55 is self-conscious when that's just summing up my read on lyon? if it were about me maybe but self-conscious means i'm talking about myself?

and i just always get and announce reads early game (generally townreads), i don't see how that's lamist but at least you're not giving the "well maybe you're scum who KNOWS they're all town and you're trying to get towncred!!" argument that makes 0 sense because a plan like that doesn't actually give you towncred and is suicide so :/

thank you for getting back to me and also answering the question on research tho

---

agreed that davesaz's one post was sketchy. will like to see that slot contribute. same goes for titus

also i can confirm that prince lyon is titus

[gigabyteTroubadour]

for a bit i thought you were someone else tbh

it's more what you know about me that gave it away

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i like this account/personality though

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I'm not worried about getting outed ftr because I've said things that would confirm myself to about 2/3 of the game and the identity that I was pretending to be just replaced in.
I was trying to imitate the way that Titus speaks to lay her as a false trail but overall this is more just trying to play without the baggage or the constructed personality of my main.
I suspect that winrate wise I will perform worse as both alignments but I feel like playing the way that I usually do just isn't working anymore.

oh ok

also i missed titus's post from earlier but i don't understand how vanity wagons springing up suggests alban town? to me that just implies that either town doesn't trust each other to wagon, we're still feeling things out, or scum are trying to push a cw and are struggling to find one that works?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Giga, why do you think i am scum?

your reads seem forced

also didn't like how you tried to insinuate that A: omgus is a scumtell, and B: that lyon was voting you for omgus

[gigabyteTroubadour]

There's no solid reason for me to tr/sr people in these early pages. That's why words like 'seems' and 'looks'. Giga's posts seemed natural, Prince's came across as a bit ott.
I noticed Dunn's post coz it's relevant to my read of Giga.

also i find posts like this that completely miss the intention of a question/point to come more often from scum

but that's more of a tendency i've started to notice from experience. i suppose it can come from town

[gigabyteTroubadour]

The vanity wagons, to me, suggest that mostly town are wagoning town alban, if not completely town. It could be scum trying to save Alban (I lack the data to make a firmer conclusion), but that's what my VCA mini suggestions tell me.

Note to self: Go through Prince's ISO.

but how does that translate to alban town?

i would think that means that alban could be late-game lynchbait town (that phrase doesn't make sense but i think you get my point) or scum if it's a town motivated wagon from that - meaning my conclusion from the get-go would be "i need more data"

so i don't get the thought process here

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Giga, if you are talking about 181, I did not imply A. B, yes. It is totally an omgus vote. But that doesn't necessarily have to come from a scum.

then why point it out if it's not scummy

also idk if this is a language barrier thing but suspicious = scummy to me

and the shade you're throwing with lyon and i seeing the same thing isn't exactly something i'm inclined to townread :/

[gigabyteTroubadour]

lol lyon we keep ninja'ing each other and saying the same thing

[gigabyteTroubadour]

you know you said that last game too right

_{and about me too}

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Most of the time, this wagon structure means Alban town.

what i'm trying to get at here is i don't see why

like i'm thinking back to pyp and this was basically what happened with the uzi wagon (mostly town voted for him, town refused to let the wagon get passed the tipping point and voted elsewhere) and uzi was scum there

one example is obviously not indicative of a pattern but i don't get the reasoning you're making

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I have said in175, and I maintain that there's no strong tr or sr for me till now. That includes the two of you too.

i feel like continuing this discussion will just get circular then

what are your reads at the moment?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

@Whemestar, I was townreading your other head but i'm not really liking the lack of input you have on this game

what do you think so far?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

get passed

*get past

ebwop

[gigabyteTroubadour]

but that's more of a tendency i've started to notice from experience. i suppose it can come from town

:c

bad opinion

what you scumread alban now or

town can misconstrue the purpose of a post but i'm thinking it's scummy to do it so blatantly

[gigabyteTroubadour]

@schadd
Something that I know. My play is scummy.
Something that I realised from my games, most ppl who go after me are scums. Cos am easy to get lynched.

Therefore, you are one of my scumreads now.

So Schadd, when you said you read open 657, did you actually read it????

So did you notice, that even I was in that game? And that I was scumread on day 1 for the exact same things?

If you had actually read it, you wouldn't have thought my play was a scumtell

Hey kill, I was reading the last pick your power game where you were scum. Can you tell us some of your thought process while choosing roles?

um why how does that help you read me in any way whatsoever

Not to read you. To understand the mentality of scum during draft.

i still think these are town posts

like spade says weird shit and i'd agree that if a scum watcher flips we lynch him but

weird isn't scum and no one has given a good reason to townread alban so idk why nothing interesting is happening with this wagon

[gigabyteTroubadour]

weird isn't scum and no one has given a good reason to townread alban so idk why nothing interesting is happening with this wagon

...?

there's no counterwagons and it's barely moved

where is the action

[gigabyteTroubadour]

who's alban

[gigabyteTroubadour]

gbt, come try to pocket me

you're my strongest tr atm actually

could you describe your thought process with this? (the post itself, not your townread of me at the time)

i dont remember

i think i wanted to tease you

[gigabyteTroubadour]

srceenplay when will u get back to me btw about your lyon scumread

or just in general

wheme if you could give thoughts thatd be cool too

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yeah i don't know how to respond...?

i can't exactly bs my thought process

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i don't follow

i get the double slashes but that's it

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i can't exactly bs my thought process

just do what you usually do

nvm then

this is going to bother me all game but i probably deserve it

[gigabyteTroubadour]

[gigabyteTroubadour]

VOTE: Titus

not really liking the refusal to explain why alban's town when your answers haven't been clear

spade vote also seals my tr of that slot

^that's L-2 if my count is correct

[gigabyteTroubadour]

VOTE: Spade

Sheeping Titus. Don't hink i have ever done that before.
I also don't like Spade's speculation on reasons for schadd to be alive tomorrow. Setting up WINFOM shit.

also i want to say this is town

but now that i am 99.9% sure that lyon is who i think he is and he scumreads it i really want to know why he didn't like this slot earlier

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i mean he said it'd be obvious to 2/3rds of the playerlist so idk if it's unfortunate

it's kind of motivating me to win tbh

[gigabyteTroubadour]

that is literally the grossest way you can misrepresent that post

[gigabyteTroubadour]

alban are you esl

[gigabyteTroubadour]

alban are you esl

this isn't to be rude i just want to clarify that that misrepresentation is something that can be cleared up via explanation or if it was deliberate

[gigabyteTroubadour]

actually wait alban why am i naive town rather than scum pushing bad logic to jump onto the biggest wagon?

or rather which do you think and why since you kind of left yourself open to both interpretations in that post

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Not Voting (3): Spade_Ace,

spade who is scum

[gigabyteTroubadour]

According to you, i am scum. Why? Coz I posted very suspicious content. How long was the content? All of 3 lines. Have you posted scummy posts yourself? Check. Have others done that this game? Check.

Who else is scummy? Titus and their slot must be scum. Why? Coz they think i am town.

Point no. 3. Spade must be town. Why? Coz Titus thinks Spade is scummy. Titus, who is scummy because they dont think i am scum, finds spade scummy, hence spade must be town.

As if the scums can't fake any of these things just for your convenience.

You are one of the most confidently naive players i have seen in my 1 year on the site.

Either that, or all this bad play style us a facade.

first point, length of content has nothing to do with scumminess? forced reads are forced reads. you could write essays and i could have a nullread on you, you could make 1 post all game and i can have you as my strongest town/scumread. so you completely miss the mark on why i even scumread you but let's keep going

i don't think titus is scummy for thinking you're town. i think titus is scummy for not engaging with me on the specifics behind that read when the reasons they've given can make the read go either way. you could be town and titus scum, your alignment has nothing to do with titus's. yes, i think you're both scummy but it's not associative at all. your logic here seems to suggest it is

spade is town because i didn't like the way titus voted for them. it didn't look like a bus to me. that read is a little associative, but there's nothing naive in thinking that a wagon is on town lynchbait because people are overplaying how scummy he is and a scummier slot is jumping on him.

so i have no idea what you're trying to insinuate here

[gigabyteTroubadour]

shut up kts it's a sexy wagon </3

[gigabyteTroubadour]

no it's utterly disgusting and filled with the scummiest players and their mothers
and let me tell you mothers are scummy

there's also some terrible, unreadable reasoning layered into the wagon

ok i don't really care for davesaz or persi but lyon and transcend are obvtown i have no idea how you can say the whole wagon is scummy

[gigabyteTroubadour]

???????????

hwhwat

i mean

i guess there is some repulsion involved in calling the main of lyon "obvtown" considering a lot of things BUT i don't see how you could scumread him

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ugh whatever

i still think this wagon is mostly town-motivated

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Kts most obv town in the game lol lol

this is true

[gigabyteTroubadour]

???????????????????????????????????

not really liking the refusal to explain why alban's town when your answers haven't been clear

how tf is that post hoc it's literally the reasoning i gave with my vote

[gigabyteTroubadour]

because it prevents me from scumhunting and sorting slots

it's not pro-town for sure

also let titus speak for herself - she hasn't been posting in-thread despite being online and she can provide whatever reasoning behind that she'd like.

If you're going to refuse to engage with us and cite disliking our style then we will just lynch you.

also this lol

[gigabyteTroubadour]

It came across as if you have made up your mind, and even the first question was to find inconsistencies in my statements.

pressure is meaningless if you act like you aren't going to lynch the person in the end

Well guess what? I am inconsistent. Also, I thought that you are bending backwards to misread what i said.

inconsistency is fine but there's town inconsistency (not remembering specific details due to not constructing a narrative, for example) and scummy inconsistency (actions that don't match your words, for example)

i haven't found your play inconsistent at all and i'm not sure why you're bringing this up? i think some of the things you've said about my play this game are provably false but that doesn't mean you're inconsistent. honestly i'm not sure what it means but i think it means we're reading the game differently (which is why i wanted to clear up the esl thing so i can be a bit more understanding if there's a language barrier or if it's you reading with a red role pm or if you're just weird)

can you point to places where you've felt i misrepped you?

I said that i was posting as I was reading, and the posts were meant more for myself than for anyone's benefit.

don't remember you saying the first bit. also posting in-thread gives everyone the right to criticize/ask for clarification regarding your thought process which is what i was doing and am still trying to do here

Just as you said to someone you can't explain exactly what was going on in your mind about what you wrote on initial pages, I can't explain why exactly I found your posts fine and lyon's posts suspicious.

fair on the first bit, but you can still point to posts that you liked/found suspicious so i can better understand your train of thought

A townie can very well appear suspicious, but not scummy.

yeah i need clarification here

how can something be suspicious but not in a way that's indicative of scum...?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Abt language, english isn't my first language officially given the country i reside in, but for all practical purposes, i have no problem in communicating in English.

ah ok

i'm going to bed so if you do respond soon i might not see it

[gigabyteTroubadour]

gonna see if i want to respond to anything more in-depth later but

bang why does alban's frustration ping you as town?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

bang is so awkward

like scummy awkward

no

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also bang im not a he

she or they is fine for me

[gigabyteTroubadour]

didjebwnsufurheh

srceenplay ilu lmao

[gigabyteTroubadour]

team shitpost: {transcend, kts, srceenplay, dunnstral, schadd_}

^^ wont lynch these folks wo a guilty only for sheer entertainment value ^^

although i do tr all of them

[gigabyteTroubadour]

oh lol i meant whemeplay not just the one head

[gigabyteTroubadour]

by first seed do you mean the top portion of the draft

because schadd_ is technically the first seed...?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i mean the idea still kind of makes sense considering luv was third in the draft

idk i dont think the replace out itself means anything but it's interesting

[gigabyteTroubadour]

then what's he like as scum? does he try to mimic his townplay?

emotionally i can really see it as either alignment but i dont really know how much alban shows in terms of tone so if you strongly believe this is townplay i'll take a look at that perspective

also bang im not a he

she or they is fine for me

Sorry. And sure!

it's ok!!

[gigabyteTroubadour]

right now i have decently strong scumreads on alban and titus

strong townreads on you and most of team shitpost (dunn and whemeplay excluded)

penguin had a towny entrance but needs to most more

bang i think is town? i want to look into the validity of his meta on alban (what i'm doing rn)

whemeplay keeps making like 1 townie post and then disappearing and like they're not GOOD town posts (like sheeping titus lol) so my earlier townread kind of fizzled out

dunn i'm waffling on. he's doing too little compared to his norm but i remember his scumgame reading different tonally

davesaz and perci are meh and i'm fine with them being wagonned.

{lyon, trans, kts}
{schadd}
{wheme, penguin, bang}
{davesaz, dunn, perci} - null
{alban, titus} - scum

this is what i'm working with atm

as always i can explain any read more in depth later but i'm on my phone rn

[gigabyteTroubadour]

lmao no it's just me sliding my hands all over my keyboard while laughing . i can be a very expressive typist

and w your pedit i've been there before so i totally get you

idk, i havent really liked the way alban engaged with me - he doesnt really seem to know what he wants to think of me but i feel like he's trying to push on me at the same time. if that's how he tunnels or engages in general then i guess it's nai but i feel decent enough about the other half of the table

Okay, fair enough.
Titus vanishing for 48H and Alban not talking to me is really dumb and I feel like it was a strategic move to lurk out the game.

I think we mostly agree reads wise except that I'd put KTS/BTM lower and Dunn/Davesaz higher.

Can you go more into detail on BTM?

BTM i don't really have much on? just i think his defense of alban feels genuine. i think they joined the site together or at least he knew him offsite and sometimes when you're newer you have this inclination to defend your friends even if they're not really that townie

like i think back to family mafia where i townread kraska literally for the sake of townreading her and if alban does flip scum then i wouldnt be shocked if there was a parallel between him here and me there

with davesaz i can agree i guess that he'd be higher than the other two nulls - i'd probably scumread him if it werent for the other PYP but he's basically the same here (only there i had the advantage of having a hood with him to sort him in)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ok you know what i want (besides engagement from titus)

an explanation of the suspcious vs. scummy thing

[gigabyteTroubadour]

{lyon, trans, kts}
{schadd, spade}
{wheme, penguin, bang}
{davesaz, dunn, perci} - null
{alban, titus} - scum

huh

ur suspicous but in a townie way

amirite alban???¿¿??

no but i'm quoting this because i forgot to put spade in lol

[gigabyteTroubadour]

gigabadtroubadeer?

gigabashful maybe?

i hope i'm troubadear to u dunn

[gigabyteTroubadour]

wait those arent petnames

what are those

[gigabyteTroubadour]

[gigabyteTroubadour]

@titus i forgot about him and corrected it a few posts later

dunn ur a part of team shitpost bc i said so

[gigabyteTroubadour]

{lyon, trans, kts}
{schadd, spade}
{wheme, penguin, bang}
{davesaz, dunn, perci} - null
{alban, titus} - scum

huh

ur suspicous but in a townie way

amirite alban???¿¿??

no but i'm quoting this because i forgot to put spade in lol

^@titus

[gigabyteTroubadour]

who are the likely scum voting you in that case? persivul...?

i remember you saying you townread the alban wagon and persivul, bang, davesaz, and penguin are the people who were on you and off alban iirc

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also would my reads still suck shit if you were higher and spade lower?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also feel like penguin would be the lurker scum go after because he strikes me as an easy lynch

dunno about alban if he's town

i dont associate you with being an easy lynch?

or is the analysis here that the lurkers are just being wagonned and not lynched?

also would my reads still suck shit if you were higher and spade lower?

Yup, alban is at the bottom too.

You are TRing everyone talking, rather than pushing critical thinking

. Your gut says certain things are off but you're giving TRs for posting.

uh

no...? i'd be townreading dunn in that case. kts, trans, and lyon are meta reads, schadd_ i cant talk about, penguin isn't talking and neither is wheme... spade said a few things i am pretty sure come almost exclusively from a town perspective but i'm open to re-evaluation on him but idk.

what reads are my gut pointing to but i'm ignoring?

Looking at draft numbers and VCs, bang is likely the third.

i'll look into this then tomorrow it's almost midnight

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also with alban i still want to know why vca pointed to him as town before you developed a spade scumread?

wait those arent petnames

what are those

It can be whatever you want it to be

[gigabyteTroubadour]

The on my town role she can claim is VT. How would any other claim sway you?

wait this isnt even true...?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

lyon when titus replaces into scum slots does she still do vca like she does when replacing into a town slot?

idk the way shes doing it here still feels off to me and i cant rly put into words why

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I don't see her wking Alban as scum here at any rate.

...really?

i thought that was titus's thing to defend her partners

maybe not as obviously as she's doing it but is that really out of (or i guess below) her range?

also i don't mind going back on alban

VOTE: alban

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ah ok

wait titus scumreads me? i felt like she was talking to me like town lemme double check

also i agree that the scumreads on me are kind of bizzare but they're mostly coming from town i think (trans for sure and i know he misread me before, schadd_ idk i'm lacking some of the fire i had early on in 1769 so i can see, and i think perci just is the kind of person who would scumread my style but i can see him flipping scum... does anyone else scumread me??).

[gigabyteTroubadour]

mostly town are wagoning town alban, if not completely town.

^ yeah where did you get the idea titus scumreads me...?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

hm

it's a weird interaction either way though

because i'm not just tr'ing people talking? penguin is a lurker and dunn is dunn so like :///

schadd_ idk i'm lacking some of the fire i had early on in 1769 so i can see

yikes

just wait a week i'll be

BACK

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i thought i did defend myself for that?

i totally would though like

my team pick early on was rakkar/tb with shade being the tertiary scumread - that's basically everyone-who-is-talking as townreads

but like i knew that there was more to my reads than that there and if someone accused me of that i would have pushed against it too

[gigabyteTroubadour]

duck_guy_eating_cement.picture

see i told you you'd want to use it in the future

you just don't listen to me

[gigabyteTroubadour]

no and no?

i think you're currently the player i always townread for absolutely no reason every time i read them whether i'm in or out of the game

first it was house, then kts, then dunn, then kraska (although kraska i started to be able to actually pinpoint her tells at one point)

i don't think anybody on this site can definitively say they can read me specifically because my scumgame isn't fleshed out at all because i never seem to roll it - i think if i were scum here i'd read a lot less awkwardly then i do whenever i read my one scumgame. like i'm not super tough to read because usually i'm well townread (i've only been a town-motivated lynch candidate twice out of like 13 games? there's a third time but that's because people were scumreading my predecessor and i towned up the slot) but that could also mean my playstyle is just townie so idk

do you think i can read you? do you think you can read me? both non-rhetorical

the thing about mafia that gives me the creams every time is that any good question sounds like it's from starwars EU. like, i totally read this in kreia's voice

lmaoooo

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i think you're currently the player i always townread for absolutely no reason every time i read them whether i'm in or out of the game

first it was house, then kts, then dunn, then kraska (although kraska i started to be able to actually pinpoint her tells at one point)

you don't need me to say it but you should probably stop having those

it's not deliberate though

idk i just can't scumread your style yet

i think i need you to flip scum once in front of me and then it'll click

marathon game doesn't count

[gigabyteTroubadour]

it's still me, and Im always town

bee movie mafia...? this game...???

like for you i misread your townplay sometimes i'll be honest but like i legit thought you were town in like most of your scumgames (i think strahd was when i was like I Need To Stop)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

you should try correct vigging him. it's fun

would not at all mind if

nitroglycerin

dunnstral were to bee dealt with during the night phase

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yeah im saying i dont townread you for no reason any more because i scumread you for almost no reason there

also INTERESTING you didnt point out this game

Oh you meant your read on me haha

lmao

[gigabyteTroubadour]

lyon when titus replaces into scum slots does she still do vca like she does when replacing into a town slot?

idk the way shes doing it here still feels off to me and i cant rly put into words why

Not directed at me, but I've seen her misuse VCA as scum more often than she uses it at all as town.

hmmm

that's actually interesting

yeah i still feel strongly about titus/alban in that case

i legit thought you were town in like most of your scumgames (i think strahd was when i was like I Need To Stop)

YOU WEREN'T IN those games... just watching is different

well yeah but i watch like every game and i generally USED to townread you until bee movie mafia which is the point i was trying to make............

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also if my hyperposting is a problem for anyone i'll try to tone it down since i realized i just hit the 100 mark when the average is around 43 per slot so ://

it's kinda tough for me to NOT post my every thought and when i restrained my posting in another game for a full 24+ hours (at the request of scum lol) i think it actually did hurt the gamestate so i'll try to just be more conscientious?

if it's not necessary though i'll just keep going guns blazing as always

[gigabyteTroubadour]

dunno i feel like i just need to shut up for a bit and let other people do stuff and me posting a shitton might stifle discussion since i might address somethig someone else might want to or i'll make it harder to catch up on

i'm all for town activity but i can acknowledge when it's legitimately getting to an extreme and if someone feels i need to tone it down i'll try

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i'm good with any of alban/titus *shrug*

[gigabyteTroubadour]

idk theyre players i all really like so it's just something i happen to remember about them lmao

not rly something i keep track of

[gigabyteTroubadour]

im dedicated enough to like

follow their current games.....

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yo i just realized

kts ur not voting anyone where is the bloodlust,..

would also like to see alban commit to a scumread too

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Not Voting (2): alban, Killthestory

?

most recent vc too

but if ur not feeling the bloodlust thats cool

just would like to see some votes across the table here, i like the competing wagons but more votes means more drama which is

example alban wagon could use support (would also would say titus but u said earlier u didnt like the composition)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Titus might be scum, but might be town

swooning right here i s2g this is gr8 analysis live for this

_{(also noted that dunn puts hyphens in his emoticons :///)}

wait, this is te game with bangthemafia? yeah let's lynch him,

davesaz always a viable option

penguinpower always a viable option

what penguin is townie i think

[gigabyteTroubadour]

So is Giga to a minor extent.

neither apply to me hwhat

im not widely townread nor am i being dismissive...??

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I know who prince is I think

Persivul is scummy

then why vote memeplay...?

not sure how i feel about percivul as a wagon, i was going to suggest dunn as an alternative but his posts this page do read like his townplay

also there were other things i wanted to comment on but im tired and also letting the thread breathe a bit so u might have to wait </3

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Let's lynch memeplay

I know who prince is I think

Persivul is scummy

i was going to suggest dunn as an alternative but his posts this page do read like his townplay

Bwuh

^^ these read like town dunn posts and have ur usual vitality ^^

so why memeplay tho

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i dont think dunns townplay is crap it's just hard to grok if you read it at a surface level :/

as scum i find he does nothing... where does your meta come from?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

@lyon, i don't think what he suspects you for makes a lot of sense and i'm kind of confused about the way he's engaging you

like

i think your thought process makes sense and i get where you're coming from but after a post like 732 why follow up with a vote on whemeplay? i feel like if i suspected you this game i would want it to be known and more actively call out what i see as bs from you. i can understand persi may have a different playstyle but the trajectory

btw i know this is directed at lyon but this whole conversation is kind of weirding me out and i would like persi to answer the rhetorical question ^

Just iso whemeplay and you'll see that they've done nothing

having just played in a game where srceenplay was town this seems very off, also I can't tell who's talking in that hydra

Wait? There's a hydra here?

whemestar + srceenplay = whemeplay

i personally think their posts are easy to differentiate and i've never played with either before

[gigabyteTroubadour]

titus what do you think of dunn this game?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

trajectory here doesn't really make sense to me

sorry, i accidentally forgot to finish my sentence

[gigabyteTroubadour]

oh i'm alone on alban?

VOTE: persivul

i'd like him to answer my question soon too

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Especially given how they dropped it it feels like a lazy attempt to throw shade rather than underpinning any actual read. I wouldn't be surprised if the progression there was something like Persivul making the posts calling me scum and Shade scum for the 'chainsaw', then someone else in scumchat coaching that it's a terrible idea and to go push on someone else.

i mean i agree it's a weird progression and i don't get it but i don't think coaching is involved :/

persi is probably(? basing on joindate/having a title) one of the more experienced players in the table besides you and titus, i don't really see him being coached

giga vote whemeplay ? ? ? look at them

u agree persivul is scummy and the wagon is you and him

sorry but i'm not really interested

[gigabyteTroubadour]

How about instead of sidestepping by talking about persivul you consider whemeplay? scummy doesn't always mean scum too and it's not like scum don't vote each other anyway

His weirdness strikes me as genuine and I think they're disengaged because they find hydras tedius. like i'm thinking about mantis shrimp here and how creature never posted anywhere because he found logging in annoying

their weird votes dont seem to have a scum motive behind them. they're just bad.

idk there's a lot of better votes

[gigabyteTroubadour]

*their weirdness pronouns yadda yadda hydras

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Also isn't that a father/son hydra or something....? (or am I vastly misunderstanding)

wheme in his completed newbie hydra slipped a lot and found the whole multiple accounts thing annoying

it reminded me of creature and mantis shrimp and when i saw his frustration i shot him a pm and told him about sessionbox as i usually do

so no i'm not really making up anything

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i think your thought process makes sense and i get where you're coming from but after a post like 732 why follow up with a vote on whemeplay?

yeah i guess it was directed at lyon even though i said you could answer the rhetorical question so i'll rephrase

did you find what lyon was doing scummy? if so, why vote for whemeplay over him?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

giga you're trying to angleshoot that wheme is town for something arguably nai + there's two people in a hydra so?

what i'm saying is that

their rvs stuff struck me as genuine and their later votes were bad but town

disconnect from the game is most likely from what i've explained and like you said NAI - i dont know how active srceenplay is as either alignment but i see wheme online a bit and he usually doesnt post here when he is on

i'm townleaning the slot and i think there are better votes

so i'm not interested in your wagon sorry

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Hi guys. I posted one thing and my dad said it was dumb and said I can't post again . So I get day 2 and he gets day 1

-Wheme

lmaoooooooooooooooo hwhat

i want to townread them for this but it's probably meaningless

but yeah i believe this

i think your thought process makes sense and i get where you're coming from but after a post like 732 why follow up with a vote on whemeplay?

yeah i guess it was directed at lyon even though i said you could answer the rhetorical question so i'll rephrase

did you find what lyon was doing scummy?

Read my posts. I found it odd. I found it bizarre. I found it concerning - I didn't say why, but specifically I was concerned he was scum buddying up to Titus as she's one of the most experienced players, but scum reading her at the same time so that the buddying wouldn't be so obvious to her. In the end, I didn't find it suspicious enough to vote. Now, with his explanation, I find it tedious. Traps like that are more likely to snare town than scum.

actually that wasn't really clear from your posting but ok

i don't think he was trying to trap titus though i don't really get that?

like to me it just seems like he's trying to re-evaluate her because they're friends... maybe i take things at face value

[gigabyteTroubadour]

UNVOTE:

The on my town role she can claim is VT. How would any other claim sway you?

*only

@whemehydra

this is the one thing whemestar's basically said right

lmao it's dumb i guess but lol @ being punished for this

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Welcome to the game titus

Soooo I need to catch up.

Oopsy

there's a certain thing i'm thinking about 116 & 118, and i'm wondering if anyone else sees it

I don't think I'm seeing what you see. But I see those posts as useless. Makes no sense to post them IMO.

I also don't see enough to vote Spade

lmao srceenplay why are these dumb posts they look fine to me

whemestar + srceenplay = whemeplay

i personally think their posts are easy to differentiate and i've never played with either before

i tried man

i tried

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Don't even know what's being said there.

what i'm saying or what srceenplay said

i didnt get srceenplay's posts there lmao

@ Wheme: All you have to do is use different skins for different accounts.

also this

i find tigers works best because it's so awful you KNOW what account you're using

[gigabyteTroubadour]

He said those posts are dumb because I wasn't scum reading Spade, and he was.

-Wheme

tbh your read on spade is probably the correct one

like he says weird shit but i think he's just lynchbait being taken advantage of bc none of his weird shit is like SCUM weird shit

i don't think he was trying to trap titus though i don't really get that?

Not Titus - me, or anyone who would question why he would scum read and vote someone, then in the same fucking post plead with the person voted to vote together on a third person. It's completely stupid play. About the only thing dumber than that is scum reading someone for questioning it. Traps are bad, but I can at least respect the attempt. If it wasn't a trap, he's just a fucking idiot. You push your scum reads, you don't hold hands and sing kumbayah with them.

Oh my favorite totally non applicable scum tell (needs to die tell)...calling people idiots

i'm responding to perci's stuff since i missed it but uh

i really don think it was a bad move - call me stupid but if you think you might be wrong on a read on someone engaging with them and trying to compromise doesn't sound like a bad way to sort them

and i guess the logic for it being a trap really only works if you... think it's something worth calling out in the first place. so congrats i guess you played yourself?

Scum theatre within the same slot, a bold move to be sure

dunn that's obviously town dissonance can u not

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i really don't

ebwop lmao

[gigabyteTroubadour]

So when's giga getting lynched

never fuck u to be tbh honest

SPITEVOTE: TRANSCEND

[gigabyteTroubadour]

honestly no matter how sad you would be i'm even sadder that i'm not scum

i feel like a go at a REAL game as scum would like

improve what's lacking in my townplay. my play improved exponentially when i rolled scum once but i keep getting town and it's getting kinda meh again :/

[gigabyteTroubadour]

titus claims cop, we decide not to lynch her w/o a cc

titus claims vt who picked jk/tracker and so if someone gets roleblocked in a scummy way we POE down suspects

titus claims universal backup and lyon comes in with a meta case explaining that titus would never pick rolecop/UB as scum because that's her favorite role as town or something (not real at all just a theoretical that closely paralleled last set-up)

claims are still useful in this set-up it's just more about thinking about their usefulness i guess rather than taking them at face value

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ruh-oh!!

[gigabyteTroubadour]

tbf i like the alt

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Severa

what would freud think?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

schadd thats the first time uve ever ruined my funky flow

[gigabyteTroubadour]

anyway, gig, something to keep in mind

"i haven't claimed nor softed shit"

wouldnt assume otherwise

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i mean

i got the reference and i get it in this context i thought???????

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yeah i get that

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i don't think that's happening though

[gigabyteTroubadour]

note the role that he chose, though

i can kind of get the logic tho i guess??

ghghghgh i'm not reading deep enough probably

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Hey Schadd, if you are not mafia, then there is a good chance for you to be the target of the night kill tonight. Just putting it out there.

Yes. It wasn't directed at you. Just bringing it to the attention of protective roles...

and this is pgo fishing

?

who tf is going to claim that tho.............................

like

???

it's a weird ass thing to say i'll give u that but i literally do not see why he'd say it as either alignment

are your reactions going to give it away? :/

i guess maybe

uh

yeah i was the person who called asking ppl what their favorite pr is rolefishing nvm

but tb and gamma both flipped town those games

[gigabyteTroubadour]

2 schadd_

4 WhemePlay
5 Titus Lil Uzi Vert
7 Spade_Ace
16 Persivul

3 PenguinPower

3 bangthemafia

10 gigabyteTroubadour

10 alban

1 Prince Lyon

1 Dunnstral

1 Transcend

1 davesaz

1 killthestory

hmm

i only colored in the townreads i'm very confident in atm - left alone any scumreads or weaker townreads that would overbias this

but i think scum did in fact win the draft for the most part - 2 above me 1 below me's my guess or all 3 above me if that's wrong

this probably isn't a stunning revelation but i want to look back at this after flips. confident there's no duplication of numbers between scum though now

like i thought of this bc schadd_ was talking about how people high in the draft should be obvtowning and he's the only one who's really anywhere near obvtown and above me (penguinpower i guess but he's not OBVtown in that he's too lurky to become a universal townread)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

2 above me 1 below me's my guess or all 3 above me if that's wrong

replace "me" with penguinpower it makes more sense

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i really cannot see lyon as scum here

like i get your theory but idk if this is the alt or what but he makes sense here and i dont feel like it's to buddy me or whatever

idk our interactions this game feel right compared to the last three times he's rolled scum against me

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i can confirm that if schadd doesn't claim 1-shot commuter he is mod confirmed scum.

VOTE: schadd claim

WTF?

i dont take it seriously :/

also dunn what was embarrassing about that post...? do you disagree with a read

[gigabyteTroubadour]

titus that's 100% a town claim can we move on from this

im starting to think spade/titus is tvt and would like to lynch elsewhere

alban is my top choice but that wagon doesnt seem to get momentum any more

[gigabyteTroubadour]

who's alban

Don't let this guy slip by

VOTE: alban

[gigabyteTroubadour]

davesaz is scummy; everybody else that chose 1 is known to be cocky, he was directed by scum to try to get it?

or maybe he, being a humble and logical guy, figured that no one ever picks one (remember chrimi) so he'd have a good shot at getting high in the draft

it's nai imo

who's alban

Don't let this guy slip by

VOTE: alban

that guy was town

dont let him slip by

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I hate to use 1 of 3 reasoning but there is definitely scum in {Dunnstral, Schadd, KTS}

i want to ask why but uh

if it's anyone there it's probably dunn...???

schadd is town i think his defensiveness/guardedness with his pr feels town and not faked?

kts is playing to his town meta

i dont know if i agree though

alban is my top choice but that wagon doesnt seem to get momentum any more

Because it's high in the draft. The first couple of people are highly likely to be PRs. It's the middle people, like spade and me, that scum want to figure out. They're not really concerned about the mislynch yet - still lots of time for that.

alban is low in the draft...?

@dunn you dont seem interested in asking davesaz WHY he picked 1... i just gave a countertheory because i dont think it's important at the atm moment

[gigabyteTroubadour]

High as in 1 is best place in the draft, 14 (higher number) is worst.

right

he's 9th

out of 14

[gigabyteTroubadour]

anyone with more experience in this setup, should spade claim what he picked?

it's a pros/cons thing

like say he claims doctor

if he's town then scum know that the doctor must be above him

if someone claims roleblocked then we can use doc-pick and jk-pick claims to deduce roleblockers - i caught scum that way in 649

you can also derive a read on him if you know him well enough to figure what he picks as town or scum

i basically towncleared someone from that in 649

fuck 649 tho forreal im pissed that charloux self-hammered and basically took anyway my lock-win

schadd I want u to talk about me

get in line (l0l)

you've been on the sidelines. you did analysis/walls in urw2 but i can see why you wouldn't do that here. i sorta trust transc/gbt 's read of you regardless of their alignments, if that makes sense. you have stuff to do, though

kts i think plays newbies way differently than normal games

read 649 at this point tbh

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i'm pretty sure i've explained my reasoning beyond scummy initial posts but

i don't really like your push on spade and the way you interact with lyon and me. it reads like scum engagement.

if you need me to bms it can wait though sorry man

who is scum, though?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

let's here it

[gigabyteTroubadour]

SPITE: Dunnstral

[gigabyteTroubadour]

let's here it

hear***

worst typo to date -_-

[gigabyteTroubadour]

if you need me to bms it can wait though sorry man

^ @alban

by it can wait i mean a few hours not much later in the day.

anyway ive wanted an answer earlier - who is scum? you havent voted all day despite making posts indicating you have a thought process of some sort. i'd like to see that doubled down with a vote

if you need time thats fine too

[gigabyteTroubadour]

my reads arent perfect

[gigabyteTroubadour]

hey sorry, i completely underestimated how busy i'd be this past weekend - will hopefully catch up since my last post later tomorrow

from skimming earlier i remember persivul claimed ub/rc? i don't really see anything particularly AI about that claim, from his position in the draft that's a normal thing to pick and also a normal thing to not get... personally out of all of the role choices i think it's the towniest since rolecop isn't particularly helpful in this set-up imo (i think the vigs, rb/jk, and neighborizer are basically the only things worth taking, MAYBE watcher) and UB has like zero scum utility since it can also take town roles as scum - but not everyone's approaching the set-up the same way i would so.

only thing i remember that i can really comment on, hopefully after i respond to alban later i'll find something more noteworthy

[gigabyteTroubadour]

just gonna say from page 52 and this one i totally support the whemeplay wagon but i'm going to read up before putting them back on l-1

wagon is pretty good too if i include lyon in there and i'm not a fan of the cw

[gigabyteTroubadour]

If Spade is actually a VT, everyone above him is conftown or game imbalanced as fuck.

???

hwhwat

titus you were in the big pyp recently surely you know how these games are balanced...?

@everyone what are your reads on Dunn and Schadd?

town and town

what would freud think giga?

also honestly i'm starting to tr persivul's attitude towards his wagon

like there's no resistance to it and he seems to not give a shit like he knows people on it are going to look crappy after he flips

1046 with the exception of the whemeplay tr and penguin sr (from reading ahead) is a pretty decent readlist

i honestly didn't think btm's defense of persivul was that terrible? the 1st (not so much the agreement with what he was arguing for but more the way he interacted w PL) and 3rd points were ok, but the 2nd and 4th points were and i can kind of see where people get the white-knight vibes from there. my feel here if btm is scum is that persivul is town here and that btm just... i guess was able to make that townread from having more information via role pm? the possibility that btm is just town though is just as plausible to me and i'm not feeling their lynch.

@schadd what's 1110 in reference to? :/

1112 is a good post btw lmfaooooooo

is what would freud think our new meme btw

---

ok i ended up shitposting in my catchup post BUT

readlist is like:

{lyon, dunn} - 99.9% town
{trans, kts} - town
{spade, schadd_, pp} - town
{persivul, davesaz} - townlean
-----null line----
{bang} - this is a lightish sr but i'd prefer the others first still. will only vote here at gunpoint or deadline
{titus, alban, whemeplay} - comfortable lynching here today

with the amount of townreads i have now and given whemeplay's shitty last few posts that's the lynch i want today - not going to L-1 him until we get a replacement in with some thoughts in.

also this might be tinfoil but i think whemestar's not-so-shitty posts from before that he got punished for actually might be indicative of that slot having scum dissonance? like they're not talking about their reads irl or in a pt evidently and i feel like as town they'd just resolve it via communication rather than just "fuck you can't post anymore" but that's making some assumptions about their relationship

---

alban, my scumread of you comes from posts like 442, scum in my experience have a tendency to deny there's a valid case on them and you said that i came up with the reasoning after i decided to tunnel you which doesn't make much sense given my iso. I don't see much town motivation there. i think "forced reads" is a fine reason to push on someone very early into the game... Also, your read progression on Lyon and I doesn't feel very genuine to me, I don't like how I became a scumread for you because you didn't like the way I explained my read on you and didnt get to discuss it more with you. i'm not scumreading you for, say, ignoring my question about persivul and transcend's scumread of me in the early game in juxtaposition to your townread of me for the exact opposite reasoning, sometimes we miss questions and that's fine... but i feel like you're not giving me the same treatment here.

i don't really like the push on spade in general and think it's scum motivated. spade to me reads like someone who gets lynched a lot early in the game because he just says weird things. schadd_'s reactions to him reads as town to me because schadd_ reads as genuinely paranoid about being the first seed to me and he's pretty much the only vote on that wagon i'm 100% ok with atm. so i guess it's more "i don't like the way you fos spade" as it is "you're on a wagon i don't like"

[gigabyteTroubadour]

holy fucking shit i'm so glad to get that load off gl

[gigabyteTroubadour]

VOTE: Alban

VOTE: alban

Wow, random vote at the same exact time!! Great minds think alike!!

[gigabyteTroubadour]

the way you pointed it out feels wrong and like something i would expect scum would say

[gigabyteTroubadour]

[gigabyteTroubadour]

they're meh posts...?

i feel like spade is also lhf too so i'm not sure what merit 1242 even has

also 54 reminded me that back and forth died pretty quickly wow

[gigabyteTroubadour]

there's nothing weird about it tho

[gigabyteTroubadour]

So our posts are meh,
Except for when we bring up a weird vote pattern. That's scumy as fuck?

wait what even is this argument?????????

[gigabyteTroubadour]

cases are so 2011

i would know

i was active in 2011

^^^ this is a lie except for the fact i havent seen like a case since i was a newbie and didnt know that ppl dont care about them

[gigabyteTroubadour]

[gigabyteTroubadour]

half of me wants to whine about the wagon hitting l-1 before a replacement other half wants to lolhammer soft-commie style

which half will win

i don't even care if you claim but you need to give any reads at all

^

[gigabyteTroubadour]

regardless of who we lynch if it's not alban i wanna hammer for the memetic value

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Because you don't have my read list is the dumbest reason to lynch someone. You don't have a read list from over half the people here.

you can at least glean their thought process via their iso though

other half wants to lolhammer soft-commie style

give him a good scare and show us how you would spell his name in cyrillic

on it bb

[gigabyteTroubadour]

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also will take any suggestions for the quote you want to come with ur hammer

Really?
What do you get from penguin or Dave?

Vote Titus
Vote wheme

That is some in depth thought process

penguin is like really transparently town hwhwat

his entrance he stated meta trs on transcend and me and a sr on uzi on the same basis

plus he's been trying to engage you in his few posts even before his wagon

davesaz at least has a clear trajectory w titus and your slot

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i mean i'm not exactly sure how deliberately hiding your thought process is town...? this is a cooperative game it's hard to do that if you obscure your thoughts

No. Hated how all roles are confirmed and it turns into a masclaim

then why /in for this setup...???

the point of it is like it's a puzzle to figure out which ones are town and which are scum... and for scum it's to game the draft

like i get some of the fun in this set-up isn't in the mafia part of it but uh

[gigabyteTroubadour]

This is Wheme, correct? When is your dad going to be around?

no i think this is srceenplay actually

Asses

Your are a town tracker

hwhwat

is this your claim i cant tell

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ok wait

so

tracker is 100% a townclaim, or at least not a lynch for today if there's roleblocker shenanigans later

Role fish some more huh

no i'm just clarifying - if something looks like a soft scum already picked up on it............. they have daytalk they take notes on this shit

can we do alban?

Stressing me out. Walking away.

sorry bruh

[gigabyteTroubadour]

tbh i think i'm going to walk away too

[gigabyteTroubadour]

If Titus was scum she would of jumped on my wagon to get a lynch on me.

what if there's other scum on the wagon?

like i rly doubt this is true because if you're actually a town tracker then titus would get a shit ton of scrutiny and pressure if you flip town, i dont know if that trade is wortwhile

Do you think there was scum on your wagon? if so who

also titus wagon

VOTE: Titus

rc why does titus being a scum rolecop mean that schadd/whemeplay are scum? dont really follow that logic

[gigabyteTroubadour]

shit thank you

[gigabyteTroubadour]

UNVOTE:

i want to see the replacement first

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Who subbed out

persivul

[gigabyteTroubadour]

hwhat hwhy

[gigabyteTroubadour]

disagree it's like multiple levels of wrong

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i mean fair point but i feel that lyon is the wrong person to attack here

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this is why i want a replacement lol

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i mean fair point but i feel that lyon is the wrong person to attack here

hugkjfhjddbfhuf

this is why i want a replacement lol

fake

road kamelot,

vanilla townie

, was lynched D2

and i was the """partner"""

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Discredit

nice detective work thats exactly what it was

[gigabyteTroubadour]

?
where has lyon claimed to tr you recently those posts you linked he was scumreading you

also trans was talking to me not you

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I have no issues lynching Titus today but I think Wheme is more likely to flip scum atm.

no issues lynching insinuates a townread how

like i read this as "titus is scummy but wheme is worse"

[gigabyteTroubadour]

All players have submitted a draft number. The full draft result has been published below. All instances of multiple people picking the same number have been resolved via random.org.

2 schadd_
4 WhemePlay - Tracker...?
5 Titus

Lil Uzi Vert

7 Spade_Ace - VT
16 Persivul - VT w ub/rc
3 PenguinPower
3 bangthemafia
10 gigabyteTroubadour
10 alban
1 Prince Lyon
1 Dunnstral
1 Transcend
1 davesaz
1 killthestory

Draft PMs are being sent out currently.

Update: All Draft PMs have been sent out. Please respond with your role slot selection within (expired on 2017-02-16 17:57:38)

So far I have responses from 14/14.

titus this is enough info for literally anyone to deduce you're the ub/rc

[gigabyteTroubadour]

again i just want persivul's slot to get a replacement because i need a fresh set of eyes and im not really feeling any wagon here any more

rereading didnt help

:/

[gigabyteTroubadour]

lyon - read kts associatively

he's an anti-busser and will deliberately hard defend his partners so as to distance. he'll usually try to encourage his partners to do the same. this is to be anti-meta

like in 649, if you read for this, it becomes really obvious that this is strategy. yes, he pushes a wagon on his partner (MariaF) but it's with the intention to get her to towntell and call people on the wagon oppurtunistic. otherwise his team is tightly knit and everyone who's town is terrible unless they tr the whole team

here he feels... isolated? like he's just doing his thing which reads to me more as his play in 646 and i'm taking as a towntell

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also momo a readlist would help significantly

i feel like you're talking to both sides of the table

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i still think the town narrative of him scumreading you and tring alban makes just as much sense here...?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

*tr'ing alban as a result of his sr of you

[gigabyteTroubadour]

like i think if alban/kts were a thing he wouldnt start out with a sr