Open 675: Pick Your Power X/Y (Game Over!)

[Persivul]

hey don't get a pass. Which is why I tried pressurising him initially by talking about prod and saying that he wasn't contributing much. But voting him for that is just plain stupid according to.me.

Talk doesn't pressure, votes do. You've played enough to know that. Why are you pretending otherwise?

p-edit: See? Betelgeuse!

[PenguinPower]

Meh, I was at 2 days.

[Spade_Ace]

hey don't get a pass. Which is why I tried pressurising him initially by talking about prod and saying that he wasn't contributing much. But voting him for that is just plain stupid according to.me.

Talk doesn't pressure, votes do. You've played enough to know that. Why are you pretending otherwise?

p-edit: See? Betelgeuse!

Hmmm, yeah.

[Spade_Ace]

You brought him back to the game with that vote.

[Persivul]

I do. So what?

So devote some of that time to this game obviously.

[Spade_Ace]

I prefer whemeplay lynch over Titus at the moment.
VOTE: WhemePlay

[PenguinPower]

So devote some of that time to this game obviously.

I am.

I prefer whemeplay lynch over Titus at the moment.

Why?

[Spade_Ace]

Town: Prince, GBT, Transcend, Bang, Persivul,
Town Lean: Alban, KTS
Null: PP, Dunstral
Scum lean: Schadd, Titus, Davesaz
Scum: Whemeplay,

[Spade_Ace]

WhemePlay:

- In his First Post, he starts off by saying,

'I am pissed but considering'

but doesn't give the reason. This to me, seems like a setup for him to claim VT later on. The "pissed" leads us to imagine that he was a player who didnt get his desired PR and ended up being a VT. But being the second person on the draft, why would he say this as town.
- In his Second Post, he asks for a policy lynch of the 1s. In succeeding posts he seems to hint at an explanation for this but I havent understood it.
- Posts 36 and 38, gave an initial town lean.
- In post 346, he says he doesn't see a reason enough to vote for me. Later on Prince and others start saying they too suspect me. He sees that am a viable lynch candidate and votes for me in 382 saying he wants to sheep Titus and that he didnt like my WIFOM explanation.
- His very next post, he sees that the current viable candidate is Titus and votes for her. He gave no solid reason for voting Titus. And Titus had said nothing between WhemePlays's vote shifts.
- Titus is now at L-1 and WhemePlay unvotes her in 554 without giving a reason. If Titus is scum, then this could have been WhemPlay preventing his scum buddying from being accidentally lynched.
- I feel he was looking for an excuse to unvote Titus and he found that in me 574

Having reread this it does kinda feels like I am finding evidence to back my scumread. But anyway, I just want all my thoughts out there.

[Spade_Ace]

Alban is actually more of a scum lean. Alban as scum normally tries to push me and get me lynched. The last time he did that I called him out for that. I can see a scum!alban having realized that a Spade push could backfire on him asking one of his scumbuddies to push me instead. The fact that Alban hasn't scumread me this game makes me scumread him. Sorry if it sounds too convoluted.

Also I didn't like how he thought that the draft wasn't faction-based in 199.

[PenguinPower]

why would he say this as town.

May he got his desired PR, but he wants scum to believe he didn't so he gets passed over for a nk?

- Titus is now at L-1 and WhemePlay unvotes her in 554 without giving a reason. If Titus is scum, then this could have been WhemPlay preventing his scum buddying from being accidentally lynched.

Agreed, which is one reason why I said I didn't like his unvote. But, this is associative and shouldn't be a cause for scumreading him pre-flip.

Spoiler: WhemePosts

VOTE: Spade

Sheeping Titus. Don't hink i have ever done that before.
I also don't like Spade's speculation on reasons for schadd to be alive tomorrow. Setting up WINFOM shit.

We are townier to BTM, plus they will shift to Titus if the wagon builds!!!

VOTE: Titus

L-2?

What will happen next?

The on my town role she can claim is VT. How would any other claim sway you?

The only town role she can claim is VT, if she is a scum. If she claims any other town role, would you not be swayed??

VOTE: spade

Wheme...talk to me about why you went from sheeping Titus -> voting Titus -> sheeping Titus.

[schadd_]

ooh, two nonanswers, 1 not addressed. how did i guess?

Change your tone and I might consider answering you.

-you declined to answer before i had any sort of non-neutral tone
-in this game of etiquette we're suddenly playing, you're the one who said i asked dumb questions
-i asked several read clarifying questions and you declined to answer all of them (and continue to) for unrelated reasons for which you're the arbitrator of their validity (so you can say "no i'm not gonna answer the questions still because i still don't like your tone" regardless of what i say) which i very much don't like

[Prince Lyon]

I am still thinking that Titus is scum but I'm going to give her more time to do things.

VOTE: Alban

[davesaz]

I think the extra motivation might be helpful in that regard.

[Spade_Ace]

@schadd I apologize. Didn't mean to be rude. It was just that, I felt the questions that you asked me were not genuine scumhunting. More meant to frame a person rather than understanding someone's alignment. Nevertheless, I will answer them tmrw. It's night over here. About to sleep.

[schadd_]

@schadd I apologize. Didn't mean to be rude. It was just that, I felt the questions that you asked me were not genuine scumhunting. More meant to frame a person rather than understanding someone's alignment. Nevertheless, I will answer them tmrw. It's night over here. About to sleep.

i'm not offended, or anything, on case you're concerned.

my intention with the questions shouldn't have any bearing on how you can answer them. if any part of the questions seems unanswerable please point it out

[davesaz]

Off topic: the Sirius/XM station I listen to is running a big thing on Fleetwood Mac this week, which I thought was an interesting coincidence with schadd_'s sig.

[schadd_]

fwm is never a coincidence.

uh incidentally, in micro 684, a lurker scum suddenly appeared to comment on my signature. i am hesitantly calling this a coincidence

[WhemePlay]

+1^

[schadd_]

Spoiler: WhemePosts

VOTE: Spade

Sheeping Titus. Don't hink i have ever done that before.
I also don't like Spade's speculation on reasons for schadd to be alive tomorrow. Setting up WINFOM shit.

We are townier to BTM, plus they will shift to Titus if the wagon builds!!!

VOTE: Titus

L-2?

What will happen next?

The on my town role she can claim is VT. How would any other claim sway you?

The only town role she can claim is VT, if she is a scum. If she claims any other town role, would you not be swayed??

VOTE: spade

Wheme...talk to me about why you went from sheeping Titus -> voting Titus -> sheeping Titus.

looks like posts from srceen, srceen, wheme in order. but i agree that they should have to explain that out

[gigabyteTroubadour]

The on my town role she can claim is VT. How would any other claim sway you?

wait this isnt even true...?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

lyon when titus replaces into scum slots does she still do vca like she does when replacing into a town slot?

idk the way shes doing it here still feels off to me and i cant rly put into words why

[Prince Lyon]

Her vca makes no sense. the presence and absence of vanity wagons is not indicative of anyone's alignment and she knows it.
I don't get what she's doing here and she's probably just scum but I'd be pissed off if she snap judgment D1 lynched me and I'm going to extend her the same courtesy.
I don't see her wking Alban as scum here at any rate.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I don't see her wking Alban as scum here at any rate.

...really?

i thought that was titus's thing to defend her partners

maybe not as obviously as she's doing it but is that really out of (or i guess below) her range?

also i don't mind going back on alban

VOTE: alban

[Prince Lyon]

Like her argument for Alban town is that he's town because scum seem to be fine not impacting the game which implies that scum are the ones making those vanity wagons. Which like why is that a thing. Also she's claiming that the Alban/Titus wagons counterwagonned the original Spade_Ace wagon which is like sorta true but spade was an RVS wagon and the only person she's claimed to scumread on the Alban wagon is you, who were also on the spade wagon; as was transcend; and why is she making such a big deal about early game wagons anyway.

feels really wrong to me. also the scumreads on you feel really wrong to me since I haven't even legitimately had to sort you in a game yet and you've pocketed me to the point that it would take a cop guilty to vote you.

no you misunderstand I think that if Titus is scum, alban is scum here every time since she'd almost certainly rather push a mislynch and blame me for it then pick a fight over reads.