Mini Normal 2310 | Day 7

[Klazam]

FIRST

VOTE: davesaz Hello, only person I know lol.

[Klazam]

i think i've played with a few of you.

observation: the presence or absence of scum multitasking is not noted anywhere in the original modposts. i wonder if that means we're up against all goons?

I don’t understand “scum multitasking” part here either, but something in this is setting off alarm bells in my lizard brain.

VOTE: abnegation

[Klazam]

Alright I looked at some other games’ rules posts, I’m new to that particular thing, wasn’t a thing when I played here awhile ago.

Because it appears to be a thing here on site (I did see a couple that didn’t mention the multitasking whatsoever). That particular piece of setup spec makes more sense to me so gonna

UNVOTE: Abnegation

I think it would be weird for scum to make the particular comment that he did with the above in mind, so Ima sliiight lean town on abneg.


I doubt that we could rely on the absence of multitasking in the rules to tell us anything though.

Back on you my vote goes

VOTE: davesaz

[Klazam]

what if abnegation is scum and looked to see if she could multitask in the first place

That was my original thought

Making a public post on it as scum, with daytalk? I’m not so sure about that

[Klazam]

Fair. Don’t feel it anyway.

EBWOP: pushing pairs this early?

[Klazam]

I know I should unvote, but I like some pressure on Anaconda.

let's add some more then!

VOTE: abnegation

The fuck you doing.

most likely klazam is either town or paired with abnegation

Suspicious post. I think it's too early for that

You've said a couple things are suspicious. What will be your threshold for a vote?

Why do I need to vote? It's 2 or 3 pages in, of course I'm trying to find things I find suspicious.

I actually am agreeing with Dave here- your vote is your most powerful tool. Poking at things verbally with no action behind it makes seems like you’re trying to play it safe.

Here’s how to use your vote.

VOTE: hu tao

[Klazam]

Happy to see the pace isn't too bad.
Not as happy to see a low s/n ratio.
VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

Know what, I can get behind this. Been feeling the same, and seeing that cCS been going for low hanging fruit.

VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

Still want hu tao to actually take a stance. If you had to vote someone, who would you vote and why?

[Klazam]

So why aren’t you voting Abneg?

[Klazam]

I like Hu Tao’s response to my pressure.

cCS, I like less.

I know it’s literally been a day since we started but I’m surprised people are not reacting to abnegation’s self vote.

That’s my thoughts right now. See y’all later tonight or tomorrow

[Klazam]

Hah alright.

Hu tao - I dropped that angle because i felt your approach (kinda aggressively refusing to vote) indicated that its a personality thing not a scum thing.

Im still cool with my vote where it is.

RE: self voting, its usually more scummy than not, reads to me as an appeal to emotion.

I have no idea how to read flavor leaf here

Dave im on the fence about.

[Klazam]

I think camel is town.

Abnegation is town, let's be honest it's fine if RVS votes stay until page 7.

Now that the leek thing is pointed out my tentative TR on him has crumbled. If I vote soon then I'm voting there.

Klaz also town imo.

Why is klaz and camel town?

I have some thoughts on but I wanna see the response from kitty regarding the cameltown read first

Regarding self vote too scummy to be scum- which is perfect reason to self vote, yeah? It’s an appeal to emotion. I’m not interested in pursuring abneg right now, though.

[Klazam]

What?

[Klazam]

Strangely I think flavor is town now.

Liking the replacement, I see the Dave stuff too, is why I’m on fence there.

Yeah, dislike the camel slot having read back.
Desperate to vote anyone

Can you elaborate on “desperate to vote anyone”? Talking about camel or yourself?

[Klazam]

Thanks Kitty and gera.

Okay here's the thoughts I had -

It is super interesting that some has said that camel seemed "towny relaxed" (this specifically)

eg votes on camel are weird for me, because he seems to have a towny chill and not giving a damn vibe judging their entrance.

I've been feeling the opposite. Here's the progression of some stuff that happened as i see it:

camel starts off with a townread regarding me -

most likely klazam is either town or paired with abnegation

I vote cCS here, agreeing with dave on the signal to noise ratio & feeling that cCS has been pushing the "easy stuff"

Happy to see the pace isn't too bad.
Not as happy to see a low s/n ratio.
VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

Know what, I can get behind this. Been feeling the same, and seeing that cCS been going for low hanging fruit.

VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

Still want hu tao to actually take a stance. If you had to vote someone, who would you vote and why?

Immediately afterwards, cCS seems to get upset, retracts his townread on me, and then after dave interacts with camel a bit more, he votes me, accusing me of the same thing, basically.

didnt know wanting to start a wagon early was considered targetting low hanging fruit

i take back my townread on klazam i guess it was too early for that

mainly because i dont really like their talk about votes

What would you suggest using to generate reads, if not votes and talk about votes or the lack thereof?

i get what he is saying but he seems to be making something big out of it as if he is even voting hu tao in the first place lmao

also its an easy thing to push someone for and i dont like that

and you guys say that I target low hanging fruit smh

VOTE: Klazam

And this is why my vote is still ccs for today - This level of reactiveness and defensively attacking me for my vote on him reads to me the exact opposite of "town relaxed"

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UNRELATED - Formatting question - how the fuck do i make collaspible spoilers. Was trying to do that for readablity, but this was the result. Im keeping it because i cant be fucked hunting for tags to fix it.

[Klazam]

Happy to see the pace isn't too bad.
Not as happy to see a low s/n ratio.
VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

Know what, I can get behind this. Been feeling the same, and seeing that cCS been going for low hanging fruit.

VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

Still want hu tao to actually take a stance. If you had to vote someone, who would you vote and why?

this guy overall feels stiff

his posts are

100%

"let's do stuff for the town" - isn't it that too much?

it's like "I have a goal to be an useful towny with my every post, heck, with my every sentence"

I mean moving the game forward is generally a good thing, but this guy plays like he has no chill, isn't coming to this game relaxed, as townies are more likely to be, strikes me as an exaggerated image of a perfect townie

like Hu Tao has been doing similiar thing, but actually joked from time to time, not playing like a machine

can someone confirm/deny such vibes or give a metaread on Klazam?

certainly a player to observe, definitely not a d1 lim

Just gonna point out meta on me is likely to be useless, this is my first game on site after like 6 years if not more. You’re welcome to look and compare though.

[Klazam]

Stay silent? It'd make me look even worse.

This is ringing a little bell in my brain. Why do you care how you look?

[Klazam]

VOTE: Klazam

What’s the progression of thought here?

All this discussion on Nono (who I’m personally placing in the same bucket as Dave) then a vote for me.

Also you have a shockingly massive town list here.

[Klazam]

Dave I am safe locktowning imo.

Still don't like leek on a quick reskim.

How are you locking Dave as town? I’m the most paranoid of that slot.

[Klazam]

Anyone down for a mass claim

[Klazam]

VOTE: Klazam

What’s the progression of thought here?

All this discussion on Nono (who I’m personally placing in the same bucket as Dave) then a vote for me.

Also you have a shockingly massive town list here.

You disappeared. Why are you on the sidelines?

I have a life, and I’m not a hyperposter like you. A few solid posts a day is good by me.

I wanna note that you still haven’t answered my question- where’s your progression from a town read to a naked vote of your town read, ignoring these you had been discussing as scum completely.

Gotta say, though, this behavior lately + the mass claim proposal (which was NOT clearly made in jest) at this point just feels like stupid play, not scum play. You’re town and I hate it.

Current stance-

Still like my vote where it is, nothing has changed my mind.

I’m also fine with possibly voting Geraintm on the basis of not much involvement, and they still have their rvs vote on Ame, not having voted once lately, even with a scumread voiced on camel (post 239)

Others I either think is town or is undecided on.

[Klazam]

I don't think there's any track if town motivation in wanting a mass claim so early.

Ah right, I knew I forgot someone, Kitty is in my pool of people I’d be fine voting today too. I know some has mentioned that they don’t think certain posts is scummy, I just feel that it is. And this post in particular just feels odd to me.

[Klazam]

VOTE: ame

Your vote sounds like it’s a vote for bad play not for scummy play.

[Klazam]

VOTE: ame

Your vote sounds like it’s a vote for bad play not for scummy play.

It is bad play, and also I don't want to trust them later in the game if they come up with any more "good ideas"

I don’t like this as a reason to vote. Looks like just going for an easy mis elim

Kitty's gamestyle

"X is town
Y is scum"

people askin: "Kitty, why though"

Kitty: "X feels solvy, Y doesn't feel solvy"

rinse repeat

Agreed.

fuck it this wagon is going nowhere

UNVOTE:

VOTE: BlackStar

Based on what? Looking through your posts, there’s no real references to blackstar. You only really had a scumread on abnegation, myself, and Dave throughout your posting. (And Ame also but that was reversed recentely). I find it interesting that you don’t really express your thoughts on other players very much throughout.

[Klazam]

VOTE: Klazam

There is none, I just noticed you had gone quiet and wanted to poke you. I still think wolves are within cCS, nono, dave, ger, and drew. I probably hold off on Dave based on kitty’s “lock town”

What’s the progression of thought here?

All this discussion on Nono (who I’m personally placing in the same bucket as Dave) then a vote for me.

Also you have a shockingly massive town list here.

You disappeared. Why are you on the sidelines?

I have a life, and I’m not a hyperposter like you. A few solid posts a day is good by me.

I wanna note that you still haven’t answered my question- where’s your progression from a town read to a naked vote of your town read, ignoring these you had been discussing as scum completely.

what the - where the heck did my response go

I’m dying to know what you said lol

[Klazam]

I’m trying to figure this out- you had a townread on Ame, then for some reason you switched Ame with nono in your head and voted for Ame on the basis of a large list of townreads that Ame posted, then you are now backtracking on your vote because you..meant to vote nono? And is still not liking ame’s townlist?

I’m not sure where you’re going with this- sounds like you’re trying to find a excuse for flipping your read on ame- which actually coincidentally is something that you did on me prior/post me voting you.

[Klazam]

if you could decide single-handedly, would you want me limmed right now?

If, gun to head, I had to choose someone to daykill NOW, yes it's probably you. But I'd rather wait a few more days.

I’m actually surprised that you pick leek as your #1 here.

And is still not liking ame’s townlist?

youre acting like ames at the top of my list or something

Can you clarify then, what part did you think was Nono and how is that playing in your whole series of posts?

PEdit: ah. So you were townreading nono for the stupid suggestion, then now that you know it was ame, that townread changes from Nono to ame. Thanks for that clarification.

[Klazam]

Drew/Daves/cCS/nono are still the flips I want to see. I wouldn't go Daves today because of Kitty locktowning him. nono being a bugspray archetype changes things -- from scummy to eternal coin flip. I'm not sure there's a reliable way to read them. cCS is the most "this is a hit" feel.

You wouldn't lim someone because someone else on D1, who admittedly has said they aren't great on D1, has lock towned them?

You certainly puzzle me to no end, how am I supposed to think that you are anything but scum?

I like this post.

Will be rather busy for the next few days but will try to read and put any thoughts if I have any.

[Klazam]

Caught up but whole leek/Ame thing is confusing. I’ll need to reread when I’m sane.

Kitty’s putting off things yet again is zzzz

[Klazam]

Caught up but whole leek/Ame thing is confusing. I’ll need to reread when I’m sane.

Kitty’s putting off things yet again is zzzz

It’s kind of funny that you’re annoyed at Kitty putting things off but you’re doing the same thing lol

Good catch. Klazam is suspicious

Lmafo I mentioned I’d be busy this weekend- my birthday weekend

[Klazam]

Iso on leek engage

[Klazam]

Pretty upset that I fell asleep in middle of writing up my thoughts on leek.

Not sure how much votes needed to elim, consider my vote on kitty.

I’ll look through kitty’s posts and gera, but my impression of them is roughly the same I believe.

[Klazam]

I mean I have been dead wrong about such things but I doc not think I am here.

"doc" = this is a crumb. I'm doctor. I was on BlackStar. There must be a strongman or I was roleblocked.

Why blackstar in particular?

[Klazam]

Same thoughts as dave there.

Im not sure how to feel about the amount of posts flavor is putting out, but i think it is understandable being in middle of limbo post hammer. I think we can absolutely see what happens with the night actions. Don't entirely trust Flavor.

[Klazam]

Hu- Yeah, I was actually thinking that you might be claiming a cop guilty, so not suprised that scum caught on to that.

I think it's time for me to out what I am, so that you dont waste anything on me - I'm a Miller. Was keeping it under wraps in hopes of concealing the presence of a cop.

The person who mentioned that I was trying too hard to be the towniest town ever - spot on lol. Didnt want to risk a cop invesigation on me.

vt, and i've been informed that geraintm targeted me.

I dont understand that post.

Anyway, lets go and win this.

VOTE: nono


Peedit JESUS FUCK THE SITE SLOWED DOWN.

[Klazam]

Someone explain what the fuck happened there.

[Klazam]

No, no votes.

I’m not trusting y’all, I need to know what’s going on first.

[Klazam]

Okay. I want to hear from camel next.

Ugh.

There’s a lot of permutations for false accusations here, depending on the people in the neighbor grouping.

I want to know details.

[Klazam]

Okay based on Nono posts, I agree that he had a guilty on Hu.

[Klazam]

Camel- can you confirm that it was you in the neighbor group- and what the fuck happened in the neighbor topic?

[Klazam]

Hu Tao is the direction we’re taking today for sure.

Who’s the third scum though.

[Klazam]

ccs - When exactly did Hu claim cop, and FL claim VT in the neighbor thread - was it before or after daystart? (Trying to figure out FL's alignment)

oh and gera can confirm

Does this mean you neighborized Gera on night 3?

I'm feeling uber paranoid right now, and im not ready for day to end, because i want to get more discussion going on the last scum. Consider me the hammering vote here, but im holding off on that.

writing this down for myself

LIVING PLAYERS

- geraintm - Town (Loud Tracker)
- Klazam - Town (Miller)
- camelCasedSnivy - Town (Neighborizer)

- Abnegation - VT (Got tracked by Gera N2, no result)

- Flavor Leaf - VT
- Doctor Drew (aspectenicor) VT

- davesaz - Has not claimed or posted

- Hu Tao - Scum

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Im going to look at kitty and hu tao together in iso, see if i can spot anything off.

Who did Gera track N3? Im guessing CCS

[Klazam]

People who know normals - what is the scope of this power that Kitty had - "You are informed that __________________________________."

[Klazam]

And we need to wait for Daves to get here and claim too, so lets not rush to end this day phase.

I want to talk with everyone still. we have plenty of time.

Agreed.

Writing post and looking at things in depth.

dont dare end day on me.

[Klazam]

As a preface. This is me writing out thoughts and what i see while i iso both Hu and Kitty together, to see what is being said about everyone. Sorry if this is unreadable. Skip to end to see my thoughts.
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Hu Tao + Abnegation feels unlikely given RVS interactions regarding scum multitasking. Lots of pressure towards Abnegation + egging others on. THEN post selfvote- Mentions that Ab's self vote probably is NAI. Questions Abnegation on calling Kitty's post a townslip. Mentions an suspicion on

HT+ ccs surface comment, not depth, then a light push on ccs, then a positive post about CCS. Questions CCS' town read on FL <-1 assocative for FL> then slight push on ccs. later shades ccs slightly. And again. finally slight defense while talking to ame. expresses being on fence of. then scumread. then while talking to kitty expresses suspicion of.

HT+ Dave informative reply, then dave pushes hu, who snaps back (Same way that hu snapped back at me) - Dave keeps on pushing Hu for not voting - same as me - and Hu seems to act the same way to both of us. Later mocks dave regarding FL. more shade on drew. and more shade

HT + Kitty Joking post. Asks kitty to clarify reads on me and camel. Tone feels similiar to first response to FL. then pushes Kitty due to no content. Tries to draw more content out of kitty. Bus vote on kitty. neutral defense of kitty... while voting kitty. more bussing

HT + FL - Pretty neutral question, then possible chainsaw on dave. expresses paranoia of fl, quickly taken back. Fl mentions a tendency to townread scumtao, then hu sets up a situation where that might not be true. calls #2 town. another neutral question regarding kitty

HT + Drew - Drew townreads Hu and Hu questions it - Hu mentions a concern about pocketing by Drew. Light shade on drew re flavor vote (Dont know what this is)

HT + Klaz - See dave comments. Votes me accusing me of backing off after people townread hu. a big klaz is scum. another one.

HT + Ame - agrees on the vote of me. friendly when Ame votes ccs, and encourages me as scum still. defends ame more. lots of discussion, actually. hard defense. calls #1 town. then tosses shade at ame when ame doesnt have hu as #1

HT + Nono - tone of mockery on Nono's vote of Hu Tao. Strong-self defense via discredit on nono. and more discrediting. calls nono scum. and again. more mockery.

HT + Leek - attacks leek for yellow read on HT - first instance of leek interaction, looks like.

HT + gera - neutralscum read expressed to ame

HT + BS - positive interaction

Kitty + Scorp(Ame) - banter. accuses ame of wifom regarding massclaim

Kitty + Klaz - calls me town Later comes up with "they feel solvy". Later on defends self

Kitty + Leek - Was a tr, which changed to a SR after a case was posted

Kitty + CCS - calls town but with less certainy tone Later comes up with "they feel solvy"

Kitty + Abnegation - Town and hard defends. <+1 assocative here>

Kitty + Leek - defends self. Votes leek off a quick reskim (opportunistic)

Kitty + Hu - Questions about reads. Claims Hu is hard to read.

Kitty + dave - "Safe locktown" on basis of being solvy - same thing said about me and camel, im inclined to put the three of us together

kitty + gera - defends on basis of playstyle

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FINALLY A READS LIST

Kitty-

Conf Town

- KittyTacky

Town

- davesaz

- camelCasedSnivy

Lean Town

- Abnegation
- Flavor Leaf

- Klazam

- Doctor Drew

Null/Neutral

- geraintm
- Nono

- Hu Tao

- BlackStar

Lean Scum

- Ame

Scum

- SzmarzLeek

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That was day 1. Jesus that took so long.

Thoughts at this point:

KITTY:

<Irrelevant>
- geraintm
- Klazam
- camelCasedSnivy
- Hu Tao

<Not paired>
- davesaz <Calls dave town being TOP of kitty's reads list, I doubt scum would be this brave, esp one who puts hu in the null bucket. also keeps calling solvy, same as me and camel.>

<Null>
- Flavor Leaf (Literally no interactions whatsover. Im 50-50 on this. Kitty only interacted with Hu when Hu directly asked question. BRB checking FL's iso for any direct questions - yup no direct questions, only negative pressure.)
- Doctor Drew (aspectenicor) (Also no interactions at all. Checking ISO. Looks a lot like FL's posts. I feel like being #4 (or #2) in leantown seems like the best place to put a buddy. gonna say im neutral)

<Paired>
- Abnegation (On basis of hard defense, but not placing abnegation in full town tier - seems like a hedge, could be afraid to seem too pro-abnegation in case of scum)

Hu Tao:

<Irrelevant>
- geraintm
- Klazam
- Hu Tao

<Not Paired>
- camelCasedSnivy (On basis of scum on scum neighborizing being kinda weird to do here)
- davesaz (SO much mockery and negative stuff, feels similair to me and nono. Also bussing Kitty during this time, doubt that would also bus the other scumbuddy)
- Abnegation <Hard pressure (regarding multitasking) early makes this feel unlikely. consideration though, early bus, sees kitty being useless, backs off hard and chills on this>

<Null>
- Doctor Drew (aspectenicor) <I dont think i can read too much into this>

<Paired>
- Flavor Leaf <The chainsaw defense here is interesting to me>

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Status: I think the most likely third scum here is either Flavor or Drew based directly off associative stuff. My feelings on flavor is mostly a townlean, but im also being paranoid because flavor feels like a pretty good maniuplator. Drew is a \o/. I think Dave is 100% not scum here based off of all of this. Abnegation i doubt is scum but not as confident.

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Okay. Posting now. Will look at Day 2 and 3 for Hu, I know that NOTHING Kitty says matters on Day 2.

[Klazam]

Fucking hell.

wait hu selfvoted?

[Klazam]

No, Hu Tao didnt vote.

Im pretty sure.

@MOD - Double check that please

VC corrected. - Game Mod

[Klazam]

Ok read through Hu's day 2, not much to read into. Doesnt look like it's flavorbuddy.

Camel

Another thing im curious about, why did you choose the neighbor targets that you did?

[Klazam]

I think im done for tonight. Hopefully theres content in the morning good night

[Klazam]

People's paranoia about me involves me getting one of my partners killed day 2, and then kynother partner getting horribly caught up in a game of who's the cop and leave me to win this all by myself.

You are all being a little bit much if you thinknthat happened

Agreed.

Any results to speak of?

[Klazam]

Why do you want me to 'get up on stage' if you are just gonna throw out false accusations of me. You even are explaining away the track on me lol.

The simplest solution is the correct solution, I am just VT.

Pre Edit: Lol, oh I see the answer is Enchant is just scum....I will let you guess which one of us is Enchant here

Explain “enchant is scum”

[Klazam]

Okay- if I’m right we have two elims remaining, including a no-elim day to bring it to 3 players. We have some room to work.

My pool of potential scum is, in order from least likely to most likely, Abnegation -> Drew -> Flavor

Flavor I’m honestly being Uber paranoid about. I find myself agreeing too easily with

[Klazam]

What are you thinking, Dave and Gera?

[Klazam]

Nono getting roleblocked Night 2, and Geraint tracking Abnegation soft clears Abnegation. They can only be scum if Multitasking Ninja Roleblocker exactly.

Drew has to be Multitasking Roleblocker who didn't act Night 3 (or Ninja), but I think there's evidence out there to clear almost every slot except Drew on play.

Abnegation being a multitasking ninja roleblocker seems ridiculously unlikely- if there was a ninja, that’s who I would want to carry out the kill on N1, and gera caught kitty on that night. There’s also the hard push on abnegation from Hu Tao regarding multitasking. I’d think that if they were doing that as a way to clear abnegation, Hu probably could have easily done it in a different way to make Abnegation look better.

[Klazam]

Because I believe in almost every situation here, you are the obvious choice for scum this game.

My plan of action here is:

Doctor Drew today

If game continues, you can fade me for your own security.

And then you get put into a 50/50 with Klazam/Davesaz.

I don’t believe it passes Drew, and I actively take the loss as scum with this plan, so it makes no sense for me to push it like that.


I’ll do one better

I believe Doctor Drew is exactly a Multitasking Even Night Roleblocker.

Why is it Dave over abnegation in that scenario in particular?

[Klazam]

Ok I misunderstood your statement I think. Just want to make it clear we only have three day phases with one being a no-elim.

6 -> 4 -> 3

[Klazam]

But I’m still curious to why you didn’t mention abnegation over me/Dave.

[Klazam]

I hate hate hate self analysis.

I'm starting to lean Drew - I think my analysis the previous day also points that way.

Gera, Dave, really really want to hear from you.

PEDIT I dont think I'd honestly ever claim miller as scum. I think i come from a time where miller claims do NOT go to ELO, but well lol. One thing for your consideration - would Hu Tao counterclaim me as a scumbuddy?

[Klazam]

Because I wanted to know why he didn’t mention you in that post.

Tbh the fact FL mentions me in that grouping makes me feel better about FL overall. I was worried that he was just trying to say “good things” about me to help tilt my mindset to not going for him.

[Klazam]

Alright. I think I have nothing else to discuss on my end.

Gera town, abneg looks to be mechanically cleared, and Dave is not scum.

Leaving just these two FL and Drew.

I’m going to

VOTE: Doctor Drew


PEdit: the fuck is with all these self votes in this site meta? Changes nothing for me.

[Klazam]

Interesting note though.

I actually think FL would be arrogant enough to believe he can manipulate this all the way to a scum win.

I’m now getting massive gut pings that my vote on drew is wrong.

[Klazam]

Ugh I gotta do this

Gotta iso free to just see where I am on that

[Klazam]

*drew

[Klazam]

I will shave my head if Ame is town.

This made me chuckle.

UNVOTE:

Drew’s iso actually makes me feel differently.

People who are NOT flavorleaf- please look at Drew’s iso posts 9 to 11 (talking with Hu Tao)

Do you think that is a scum to scum conversation? I don’t feel like it is.

VOTE: Flavor

[Klazam]

Alright. I think I have nothing else to discuss on my end.

Gera town, abneg looks to be mechanically cleared, and Dave is not scum.

Leaving just these two FL and Drew.

I’m going to

VOTE: Doctor Drew


PEdit: the fuck is with all these self votes in this site meta? Changes nothing for me.

Flavor has it all figured out, I am scum right?

No way he is acting like Python in a previous game saying that mech wise I have to be scum.....nope Flavor wouldn't do that.......and no way Python was scum when doing that.....nope can't be.

Even with the only evidence out there was ger saying I never went anywhere, but has to be another explanation instead of Drew being VT.

I veered off Flavor when Ame seemed so scummy, that was my mistake, I then stuck to my stubborn belief of not sorting him on D1 even when he was scummy. And ya I don't have much of a read on Dave and Ger, but I have a big read on Flavor.

So go ahead and vote me, see where Flavor is wrong(that doesn't make him scum tbf), and then go back and look at our D1 interaction.

Was this night three that Ger tracked you? I actually forgot about that.

[Klazam]

Sure is helpful to point at something I can’t see. Means nothing unless others weigh in.

[Klazam]

I initially thought that it couldn’t be scum vs scum

BUT

Then again, you’re good enough and *checks* maf has daytalk, so this could be orchestrated

Yeah my paranoia is ruling me but I’ve learned to trust my gut. Look at D1, Hu Tao was pinging me for not taking a stance. I let that go when I should not have. Turns out my gut was right there.

All this means nothing anyway, it’s the other three that will decide how this will go down.

[Klazam]

So you’re cool with being elimination #2 after drew, but flip it the other way and you’re not happy? Just making sure I have that right?

Do you think scumDrew will be able to maniuplate the vote away from them in ELO?

[Klazam]

I initially thought that it couldn’t be scum vs scum

BUT

Then again, you’re good enough and *checks* maf has daytalk, so this could be orchestrated

Yeah my paranoia is ruling me but I’ve learned to trust my gut. Look at D1, Hu Tao was pinging me for not taking a stance. I let that go when I should not have. Turns out my gut was right there.

All this means nothing anyway, it’s the other three that will decide how this will go down.

But this isn’t your gut, this is paranoia and you are BOP’ing me because you believe I could be able to manipulate the game as scum.

Just because I could doesn’t mean I am.

BOP?

[Klazam]

Look at Drew’s iso posts 9 through 11, what’s your take on that?

[Klazam]

Also really good spot on Kitty’s reads list.

[Klazam]

He was townreading hu early and Hu was nervous about it. That was what I saw.

Did I misread? Brb

[Klazam]

everyone has replied now i believe.
i tracked Dr Drew last night and got.......

nothing. he was a good boy and stayed home

Really curious, FL, in your discussion about all the mechanics and stuff regarding Abnegation, why did you not mention this?

I have to admit I completely forgot this, and it feels like you’re kind of trying to bury this. Why would Drew not roleblock someone on N3?

[Klazam]

Especially with a fucking doctor somewhere in play

[Klazam]

Do you think that scum had the doctor 100% pegged at that point? Because I absolutely did not.

[Klazam]

Town Loud Tracker
Town Neighborizer
Town Cop
Town Lazy Doc
Town Miller

Scum Goon (informed)
Scum Rolecop

Why is there a even night restriction from a balance pov?

[Klazam]

everyone has replied now i believe.
i tracked Dr Drew last night and got.......

nothing. he was a good boy and stayed home

Really curious, FL, in your discussion about all the mechanics and stuff regarding Abnegation, why did you not mention this?

I have to admit I completely forgot this, and it feels like you’re kind of trying to bury this. Why would Drew not roleblock someone on N3?

I have actually mentioned it a few times in game thread, and Abneg/Geraint can confirm I mentioned it in neighborhood too.

We do not have any confirmations of a Roleblock happening on Night 3. Why wouldn’t Geraint get roleblocked that Night if scum had access to a roleblocker.

There’s a few scenarios:

One, during that day phase, we talked about Drew getting tracked. So one theory is they purposefully withheld while Hu Tao made the kill so they could get tracked and cleared.

The 2nd theory, is that they are an Even-Night Multitasking Roleblocker.

Geraint got roleblocked last night on Night 4, Nono on Night 2. Because Snivy also died, this confirms that the last scum is a Multitasking Roleblocker as is.

I would honestly like abneg/gera’s thoughts on FL within the neighborhood.

I feel like this discussion is drowning everyone else out so I’m going to go silent now

[Klazam]

Huh. If Hu Tao had rolecopped ame, that would explain why no block n3- only gera was truly in play here and doc can’t protect self. That’s a big point in your favor flavor.

[Klazam]

Okay. That mistake makes things super interesting.

When you claimed that result, was it in thread first or in the neighborhood?

What precisely was FL’s reaction to it in the neighborhood?

[Klazam]

(If you can’t tell, I hate not knowing what feels like half of the game)

[Klazam]

Hu and Klaz feel like they're solving, and townleans. If I had to pick one of them to be a scumlean it would be Hu but that's primarily driven by a feeling that voting is the main way of generating conflict to get reads from, which makes me biased against not voting.

i feel like this line has to be ai but which way? scum being self-conscious and tmi-ish or town because that statement could stick out after scumbuddy!tao flips?

I’m gonna confidently say that Dave is 100% not scum. It’s within FL and Drew for sure (on my end, that is). I know that I’m the next most likely here, and nothing I can do except to point to my play throughout this game.

If we’re going to be doing self analysis, then I’ll just talk about my mindset this game at a few points.

I rolled Miller, immediately went “shit”, googled optimal play for a miller, the result said either claim miller immediately or be the towinest town to ever town (to not be investigated/and/or draw a night kill). I didn’t like the idea of claiming miller because it outs the potential existence of cop. So I proceed to try to play my best as possible, (That leek post on how I was trying too hard made me laugh my ass off irl, he was amazingly spot on)

Later on the cop claims (scum fake claims), and I immediately out myself as miller because there is no reason for keeping a detrimental role under wraps anymore.

Hopefully that illustrates my mindset through that with regards to my role.

Now a question- why would Hu Tao counterclaim miller?

Posting lately has started to make me sway slightly back to drew being scum here, but I’m not sure if he’s checked out because it was a lost cause or if it was lost motivation due to being town.

I’m still on flavorleaf for the moment, but feeling still neck to neck. The gera snafu did change my view on the drew situation in N3 though. With a no result, the clear I thought might be there isn’t there anymore.

[Klazam]

The fuck did I do there, I guess I hit a button somewhere by mistake

[Klazam]

Im fine with this.

VOTE: Drew

[Klazam]

I got played somewhere there.

98% on Flavor, 2% on me being a dum sonfabitch.

[Klazam]

I still dont think its dave or gera.

[Klazam]

Yeah, not unexpected and it certainly isn't any easier. FMPOV it's also 3 contenders though one of them is just the nagging "you never know until the flip" type.

I don't think NK choice can rule out Klazam, as I was openly somewhat suspicious of him too.
In the interest of getting this right, is Geraint being multitasking loud visitor a possibility? A n1 "guilty" and a cop gambit to try to carry it to a win be pretty audacious, but perhaps still possible.
FL making it to mlo/elo is always alarming but I'd regret that the least as if he's scum it's been masterful day play.

Why do you not think its flavor here? From my pov, Flavor is literally the only option for scum here.

[Klazam]

I have to trust something, and i'm trusting my analysis, which says that dave is never scum here.

From his pov, I understand the hesistancy on ME.

And personally i think that it would actually be a mistake to not do a no-elim today. It is literally one less possible scum in the pool. If it's a gera nk like it should be, cool, that removes the possiblity it is gera playing us all. If its any of the other 3 of us, that narrows down things significantly.

Speaking of NKA - I think Dave's mindset is right there - At this stage of game, if i was scum, I'd absolutely be maniuplating the NK. I do have that tool there. Ruling anyone out based on the NKA would be a mistake.

[Klazam]

Here's actually another point in Dave's favor - He has known that i'm absolutely sold on one of Drew/Flavor being scum - There's literally no reason to start pushing/floating me as his primary scum suspect, if he was scum. He could have straight up coasted there.

[Klazam]

Yeah im not voting anywhere else.

[Klazam]

Alright

VOTE: No Elim

[Klazam]

Dunno what we’re waiting for. Also fine with fast night.

[Klazam]

I hate being in ELO

Straight up- Flavor, you’re making a lot of sense. A lot of sense. Yes I see a ton of your effort here. Speaking objectively, the amount of effort you put in here, speaks to a ton of time on your part, and from what I know of you, you seem to have this amount of time. You could invest the time in building up this image of you in the neighborhood and all. (God I wish I had eyes in there)

I was wrong to go Drew. Drew believed it was you. Drew seemed to know you well enough, and the whole thing about you ripping his points apart as attempts to discredit you.

Yeah dude I just thought of consciousness this right now. There was this thing in the later part of that day where you subtly steered the discussion to who’s scum next after that whole thing- and you started building on potentially Dave scum.

I feel like this far you have been trying to play me.


On Dave’s part- Kitty put Dave as #1 town. Why? That’s a big big thing for scum that has not been contributing to say about a scumbuddy.

Like I said in my whole reread/iso/associative analysis, I don’t see Dave being scum here anywhere.

I’m the east elim here for flavor straight up- all flavor needs to do is to keep poking and let me, without any level of “security” outside of my claim of a role that is a very very comfortable claim for scum to make.

Scum Dave could have seen my actions in the whole drew vs flavor day and easily inferred that I would most likely go vote flavor, what is the motivation to chuck that and go for me.

There was literally one thing that would have made me believe flavor is town, one specific thing, and I did not see it. If flavor was sold on me being town as his posts seemed to indicate in the drew vs flavor day and if flavor put in this much analysis in the game, I think that a certain conclusion would have been reached. It wasn’t, so I’m left still looking at this.

Flavor keeps on bringing up NKA stuff, I think it’s literally not relevant at this stage of the game. Too easy to wifom and maniuplate in there.

I’m not placing my vote until everyone at least checks in once, but I think at the end nothing changes for me. If Dave’s scum, then we’ll played.

Ugh I hate ELO. Too much responsibility.

[Klazam]

Klazam also came into the other day coming after Abnegation, which is another big red flag, considering they were basically cleared of being scum albeit small scenarios where they wouldn’t be.

Fact check this please. I don’t recall this

[Klazam]

Or are you talking about how I had abneg in my analysis?

To be frank I didn’t realize how clear abneg was until you pointed it out.

[Klazam]

Even with that, my analysis still didn’t place abneg above you and drew as possibilities, so how did you get me “coming after abneg”?

[Klazam]

Fuck it. I’m impatient.

This is for all the peanuts

VOTE: Flavor

I believe in my analysis and I believe in my ability to identify who is town. Beyond that - shrugs

[Klazam]

[Klazam]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I’m sorry

[Klazam]

I think what fucked me was the night play. Beyond day one there was literally nothing to really analyze

[Klazam]

I was so upset you self voted leek. I wrote up like a page’s worth post to defend you.

The thing I was looking for- if flavor believed that I was town and Dave was scum, the only thing I could have seen would be them just straight up voting Dave early on. That would have flipped me to Dave, but no, flavor kept pushing me (in my mind- flavor seemed pretty confident that I was town, and floated Dave as potential while flavor and drew was being 1v1)

Dunno, this was an exciting first game back, but god I suck