Mini Normal 2314 - The Mafia Have a Cop [END]

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Marci

Don't you have an essay to work on?

[Doctor Drew]

That being said, like I posited earlier- why claim miller if the only theory you can come up with is a traitor? Do you not consider yourself a priority target for a scum cop to check?

I dont think what jjh said is scummy but tbh i dont even understand it

Just to pop over to the side for a second since I'm very much going to be focusing on Flavor Leaf for a little bit, the logic is essentially that in a game where it is known that the mafia have a cop, it is likely that the mafia will use that cop to try and find a traitor.
The existence of a miller in a setup with a mafia cop could result in some very very funny shenanigans where the mafia believe they have found a traitor when they have in fact found a miller

I am actually in agreement with JJh here.

Flavor, did you think about there being a traitor in this game before you claimed miller?

[Doctor Drew]

Drew looked the worst to me out of the bunch, but that could mean they’re town sense i tend to come after them early when they are.

Yeah, I could have waited a little bit.

I clicked the link after I asked you the question, then it started to make sense.

Like I genuinely thought you were claiming Miller without thinking what a Mafia cop means.

[Doctor Drew]

I think drew interacting with it genuinely rather than shitposting is @town for drew

This slander will be discussed in our PT tonight.

[Doctor Drew]

I am actually scared of Hu, they have been scum the last couple games I have played with them and had a hard time sussing it out.

Gamma I feel I used to read well, and I don't see scum here from her so far.

I really think JJh is town.

Flavor is Flavor for now, lean town.....but they usually expose themselves as town at some point if they actually are, so let's hope for that.

(I have a tinfoil thought that JJh and Flavor are buddies and that was just some theater, but that is just something to file away for a later day.....I won't let my brain be filled with that paranoia at this point lol)

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Xeg

I will support Flavor's endeavor here

[Doctor Drew]

honestly bulge and jacksonvirgo are both people who i dont even remember what they've said

Well Jackson has said one thing I believe?

[Doctor Drew]

and what was that

I don't remember haha

[Doctor Drew]

and what was that

I don't remember haha

My point was that I believe they only have made one post

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

mwah

Was gonna catch up, but today feels like a lazy day so ig not

Ahhh! I am the ultimate jackass of all time.

2 posts!!!

I won't let this happen again

[Doctor Drew]

Hu Tao
jjh027
Geraintm

Unabombah (free seat for them here for now)
Roden
Gamma Emerald

The Bulge
Nono
JacksonVirgo

Neutral but slight under the nulls^

Doctor Drew
Marcistar

Xegarus

Town

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Lean Town

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Light Town

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Neutral

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Light Scum

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Lean Scum

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Scum

I wanna hear more about Drew here.

Don’t really have much on Drew, that’s why they’re neutral/null.

I remember not liking one thing earlier, but JJH said they thought it was townie, so I just defaulted with Drew. I don’t plan to push Drew to a fade really Day 1 bar something major.

Marcistar’s a bit different than that read, despite same spot, i just didn’t know how i feel about some of the stuff.

I am curious why Roden and Gerat are so high.

[Doctor Drew]

Gerait’s been genuine.

Roden could be scum. I liked the way we interacted earlier, and they picked up on what I was doing first. They were in the game, early at least, so it makes sense, but i liked it. Enough this early at least.

I figure I will be able to sort Gera, but not really getting how you mean they have been genuine......vibe I guess for you?

And I guess I get what you mean with Roden.

While I have you, can you understand why I am worried about the little dance you and jjh had being scum theater? You are both great town players, and equally as scum......my Drew sense is tingling a bit with paranoia.

Pre Edit: We both enjoy the sweet melodies of Lorna Shore, if that is what you mean

[Doctor Drew]

Pre Edit: We both enjoy the sweet melodies of Lorna Shore, if that is what you mean

You are excusing their lack of usefulness and distracting us from them

I didn't realize I was such a force in the game that I could distract everyone with a couple posts. I have to be careful, I don't even know my own strength apparently.

[Doctor Drew]

honestly bulge and jacksonvirgo are both people who i dont even remember what they've said

honestly bulge and jacksonvirgo are both people who i dont even remember what they've said

Well Jackson has said one thing I believe?

and what was that

and what was that

I don't remember haha

Btw, this is me agreeing with you, and making it a joke.......which mine aren't always obvious lol, hence the 'haha' at the end.

I figured you of all people would get shitposting.

[Doctor Drew]

honestly bulge and jacksonvirgo are both people who i dont even remember what they've said

honestly bulge and jacksonvirgo are both people who i dont even remember what they've said

Well Jackson has said one thing I believe?

and what was that

and what was that

I don't remember haha

Btw, this is me agreeing with you, and making it a joke.......which mine aren't always obvious lol, hence the 'haha' at the end.

I figured you of all people would get shitposting.

Rude ive never shitpost in my life

Shit posting gets a bad rap, I enjoy playing with people who do!

I enjoy your style Marci.....just don't sprinkle in the bad reads of me lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Idk ur stuff felt more awkward than anything elseee

Improve comedy can be tough to write on the fly(I do have a dream to try my hand at improve stand up one of these days)

[Doctor Drew]

I have never once had a bad read in my life im not a young youthful smart beautiful confident sexy queen for no reason

My apologies my Queen, it really is my fault for muddying the waters......I just want to impress you and hope that maybe one day you will accept my sheep.

Idk ur stuff felt more awkward than anything elseee

Improve comedy can be tough to write on the fly(I do have a dream to try my hand at improve stand up one of these days)

Ive never once done improv it seems hard

Not to toot my own horn, but I am very quick witted in person......I want to do a two person show with a similar person where we just riff off of each other for an hour.

It is a bit scary to make that jump though

Pre Edit: Always looking for someone to yes and me here lol

[Doctor Drew]

Would u ever do something like this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_Life_of_Fools

OMG, I have actually thought of being in a actual reality show version of mafia.

I would be such the asshole that everyone hates initially, but would love at the end of the game haha

[Doctor Drew]

here, reading soon)

Hi, are you cop again?

We are out of rvs, why this question?

[Doctor Drew]

I am actually scared of Hu, they have been scum the last couple games I have played with them and had a hard time sussing it out.

Gamma I feel I used to read well, and I don't see scum here from her so far.

I really think JJh is town.

Flavor is Flavor for now, lean town.....but they usually expose themselves as town at some point if they actually are, so let's hope for that.

(I have a tinfoil thought that JJh and Flavor are buddies and that was just some theater, but that is just something to file away for a later day.....I won't let my brain be filled with that paranoia at this point lol)

Boo! Scary~

AHHHH

[Doctor Drew]

But seriously:

here, reading soon)

Hi, are you cop again?

We are out of rvs, why this question?

[Doctor Drew]

here, reading soon)

Hi, are you cop again?

We are out of rvs, why this question?

Because this is their first post. Just a bit of cheeky fun because of last game

K......still don't like it.

I can never trust you anymore lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Poop

Ahh damn too late.

Been skimming the game when I can at work, and I am sorry Flavor......but your friend Una is not looking too good.

I believe they wondered if I am an alt though, that caught my eye. This is my main, but I had a different account from like 11-14 under a different name, might turn that one into my super secret alt lol

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Una

Obvious not joke vote here

[Doctor Drew]

Hu Tao, Jjh, Roden, Una are townie for for me.

Gamma is lean, Geraint is lean. I feel good with Geraint, but really too early for me to fully trust that

Una is fluff posting, not scummy per se.....but how do you town read it? Are you still biased for your affection of them?(which I can understand).

I need something real from them.

[Doctor Drew]

Hu Tao, Jjh, Roden, Una are townie for for me.

Gamma is lean, Geraint is lean. I feel good with Geraint, but really too early for me to fully trust that

Una is fluff posting, not scummy per se.....but how do you town read it? Are you still biased for your affection of them?(which I can understand).

I need something real from them.

I don’t think there’s that much fluff. Their posts make sense to me, and they gave their insight on a lot of different slots.

It might look fluffy because it’s early game, but for where we are at in the game, I liked the reads they gave.

And the energy they have just doesn’t feel like they’re trying to manipulate anything, it just feels like they’re here, a little unsure of how to get their feet back in the game, but still trying, and they’re doggy paddling to try to stay afloat.

They don’t need water wings, though

Can't you say the same thing for scum being scared to take real stands and make real content?

And giving a reads list is part of the fluff, scum will feel the need to do so to make it seem like they are not posting fluff.

[Doctor Drew]

Hu Taoooooo, and Dreew are scuuuummm..
Morning tooo, most everyoneeeeee

So question.

Are you scum, or just easily pocketed?

[Doctor Drew]

It's funny how I'm fluff posting for trying to squeeze any water out of this sandstone of an early game.
I've given my honest opinions, based on the limited material available so far.
I also don't think FL "townbins" me because of..affection? they have zero issue with limming me if they think I'm scum, or if they are scum and I'm becoming an issue. Also their townlocks are more like loose town knots.

So how do you feel about being a 'loose town knot' in Flavors eyes?

What is your opinion on him?

[Doctor Drew]

It's funny how I'm fluff posting for trying to squeeze any water out of this sandstone of an early game.
I've given my honest opinions, based on the limited material available so far.
I also don't think FL "townbins" me because of..affection? they have zero issue with limming me if they think I'm scum, or if they are scum and I'm becoming an issue. Also their townlocks are more like loose town knots.

So how do you feel about being a 'loose town knot' in Flavors eyes?

What is your opinion on him?

Let's just say that it was always out there in the open - I'm just fully aware that people rarely read my longer posts.
But just to show that I'm always putting my thoughts on the table, if you actually go and read my "readslist" (which it actually wasn't - just 8/13 players on that list, one of them was me, and no one commented on that aspect of it at all) - I actually talked about scum!Boon all along.

I think I am rather good at sorting anyone in end game though, and scum!Boon might either underestimate me, or keep me around for too long just for their own entertainment

I mean, he is basically never the correct D1 limination if you ask me.
I'm aware it's also his own machination, but the way they communicate and play makes it rather impossible to sort them correctly early on.
So they should either be sorted later with data to chew on (results, NK's), or hope that scum take them out if town.
So honestly can't feel too strongly either way, but for now it's def. more scumlean than townlean.
Based simply on the fact that I can't trust them, and I feel like they might be giving me a freepass for now. (which I already mentioned as well - dislike it.)

Why isn't he the correct D1 lim when you say you can't trust them??

[Doctor Drew]

Why isn't he the correct D1 lim when you say you can't trust them??

Because they always are like this D1. Their way of playing D1 (oooooo, meta is baaaaddd) is NAI as far as I can tell.
I have the slightest of scumleans based on their interactions with/around me, because there that same meta read goes slightly towards scum. Slightly.
l them D1 also carries the risk of limming town!Boon, which could be total..boon..for us.

Limming anyone has the risk of it being town.

Why so worried about them in particular? Not like Flavor is some town God

[Doctor Drew]

Drew’s just got like 65% scum equity here

That is about 30% less then your boy has.

[Doctor Drew]

If you saying they 95% scum that’s like 50% higher than the level of confidence i feel it should be at based on it being Day 1

Looks like you’re trying to force people to take sides on it

No I am only worried about you two at the moment.

I will let everyone else make their own decision.

Pre Edit: You can't be this obtuse Flavor.......how can you be so sure of a town read??

[Doctor Drew]

2 HOURS AND A HALF TO PUT BLEACH IN

GURL I WAS FEELING SO SICK IDK HOW PPL DO THIS

If Alisae wasn't the mod I would swear you were an Alisae alt

Ali is much more compared in their chaos haha.

I really strongly am town reading Flavor and JJh now, the paranoia is basically gone. JJh reminds me of Datisi's University(funny I remember the only time I saw you as scum was like 4 years in Big 4 Mafia, also the only time I have won as a third party lol.....also think Flavor told me he co modded that game ironically).

Hu always scares me, but I will trust Flavor for now that they are playing as town.

Marci I have I have no fucking clue lol.

Gamma is Gamma I guess? Not really scummy or townie, so whatevs.

Still gonna say Una is scum.

Pre Edit: Oh forgot about Xeg, I could switch back to them as well.

I think I need to iso JV as well

[Doctor Drew]

2 HOURS AND A HALF TO PUT BLEACH IN

GURL I WAS FEELING SO SICK IDK HOW PPL DO THIS

If Alisae wasn't the mod I would swear you were an Alisae alt

Ali is much more compared in their chaos haha.

I really strongly am town reading Flavor and JJh now, the paranoia is basically gone. JJh reminds me of Datisi's University(funny I remember the only time I saw you as scum was like 4 years in Big 4 Mafia, also the only time I have won as a third party lol.....also think Flavor told me he co modded that game ironically).

Hu always scares me, but I will trust Flavor for now that they are playing as town.

Marci I have I have no fucking clue lol.

Gamma is Gamma I guess? Not really scummy or townie, so whatevs.

Still gonna say Una is scum.

Pre Edit: Oh forgot about Xeg, I could switch back to them as well.

I think I need to iso JV as well

*Composed not compared, in regards to Ali lol

[Doctor Drew]

I got no real way of verifying what you said is accurate so I'm just going to disregard that.

Scum drew looks a lot shitpostier. Drew is visibly trying here. You can see his thought process clearly

That's interesting since most people say I shit post more as town.

I always thought I did the same no matter what, especially if it is D1 in a large game(ahh shit, sorry for the self meta talk again haha,).

[Doctor Drew]

I think I need to iso JV as well

Why?

I was trying to just stream of consciousness post my reads and there was like nothing I say about you. So you deserve an iso to refresh my old man memory.

Why is that an issue to you?

[Doctor Drew]

I think I need to iso JV as well

Why?

I was trying to just stream of consciousness post my reads and there was like nothing I say about you. So you deserve an iso to refresh my old man memory.

Why is that an issue to you?

*Nothing I could say......stupid

sexy Flanders

phone

[Doctor Drew]

I think I need to iso JV as well

Why?

I was trying to just stream of consciousness post my reads and there was like nothing I say about you. So you deserve an iso to refresh my old man memory.

Why is that an issue to you?

Not an issue it just felt like that came out of nowhere so I wanted to know why you were needing to.

I think it is you do most of your posting when I am asleep, and trying to catch up first thing in the morning can be a fools game.

[Doctor Drew]

I think I need to iso JV as well

Why?

I was trying to just stream of consciousness post my reads and there was like nothing I say about you. So you deserve an iso to refresh my old man memory.

Why is that an issue to you?

Not an issue it just felt like that came out of nowhere so I wanted to know why you were needing to.

I think it is you do most of your posting when I am asleep, and trying to catch up first thing in the morning can be a fools game.

You're saying... it is an issue(?). I'm so confused right now

I am saying you post a lot when I am not around, and when I am around to catch up more posts are made and your posts get buried.

And I will skim in the morning, but not enough to give thoughts.

Hence why your posts haven't made much of an impression on me.

[Doctor Drew]

You asked why I need to iso you, I am not sure why you are confused when I give the reason I need to iso you.

[Doctor Drew]

I’m actually trying to grow mine out a little more than I normally do

How long is yours typically? I think mine hit the longest it's gonna get lmao

I’m not sure lol

No, please elaborate.

[Doctor Drew]

@Jackson - if you'd humor me for a moment - if you were told that there's one scum in Drew/Hu Tao guaranteed, which would you lean on being scum based on this early game?

I think Hu Tao is actually a difficult person for me to read as I always end up TRing them (small sample size) but I would say Drew here nonetheless. Not sure why you're asking this, nor why you're asking me but there you go.

i got you. Hu Tao is town here.

I get pinged so hard at times when Hu tao is scum.

good times xD
leaning the same, on the analysis of Hu Tao
glad to get reassurance

IT BURNS

og this morning i was gonna say i dont understand the una susses, iirc they said they dont like flavor giving them a free tr whixh made me think "theyre town because what scum would COMPLAIN about this"

But then i read the "all the lurkers is scum" just now and its like... what? I dont think in a game like this we would be that lucky

In addition to this, ive also found a few of jjhs recents useless (ie: the "finding people we trust", its useless because hes pushing that responsibility onto everyone else instead of pushing forward options himself

Are you actually trying to understand what I'm doing with geraintm or what

svs?

For the first stop on our journey, let's find some town. If we take some people out of the POE, our rate of finding scum will go up just by picking a name out of a hat.

Can you think of anyone who seems to have expressed reads that go against the grain without any commonality or overlap with the rest of the game and its state as a whole?

After this post u didnt post again

Tell me where what i said is

omg stop!!

Do you want to bounce some ideas then? I think Nono is 100% town here on the grounds that they have taken a very unique stance within the gamestate, despite ultimately being wrong. This was my canned answer to the question I asked geraintm

100%?!?! how is it so high?! unless…
jk jk, but no, kind of seriously

the self-case was also lowkey scummy
not the action, the execution
prefer not to elaborate, but will if need to

jjh/marci, I’ll bite (don’t inflate my ego, I’ll get nervous, but I’m putting my money there)

@mod v/la 36 hours

Quoted wrong post post lol.

But please elaborate.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh feel free to talk about your hair styles Gamma lol.

[Doctor Drew]

You know what didn't even have to do a full iso.....just looked at a post that was just quoted and the subsequent posts surrounding it

VOTE: Jackson

[Doctor Drew]

That being said, if this checks out then I am confident you are town but the towncred fund for wacky hijinks is all used up and nobody should attempt to gain towncred via further chicanery or we will break the bank

Damn, and I barely got around to my wacky hijinks.

[Doctor Drew]

Una/Drew are you both wolves perchance

This was the post I was referring to, not much but it was when he was kinda questioning una....and then made us buddies?

But I also didn't like Jackson getting so defensive when I said I would iso them so I kinda went into the it knowing I would probably drop a vote on them to see where it goes. And there reaction is something, since he just called me scum with little or no explanation.

[Doctor Drew]

Why would you even need to ask why I need to iso you?

And you literally are acting more defensive now, even saying that post was a joke??

Unlike dry humor, but come on.

[Doctor Drew]

*I like lol

[Doctor Drew]

It matters to me in that now you've narrated it I can follow it back and it's got an extremely low chance of being faked

And in the context of this you've been a bit harsh on drew

Oh, if that's the case and I really have been bad at making myself clear then I'm sorry Drew.

Lol, no worries.

I think I might still want to send you.......To The Hellfire though

Roden is someone else I keep forgetting about, they kinda pop in and I miss them.

[Doctor Drew]

Marci is not going to be the lynch today with a claim like that, no.
But I'd be willing to bet that we do not get an actual clearing result from them anyway D2, so do not count on that for a solve.

Remember, the L word isn't used anymore.

But why did you have to state the obvious?

[Doctor Drew]

Marci is not going to be the lynch today with a claim like that, no.
But I'd be willing to bet that we do not get an actual clearing result from them anyway D2, so do not count on that for a solve.

Remember, the L word isn't used anymore.

But why did you have to state the obvious?

Who do u sus

I mean, I am voting Jackson.

Already said I think Una and Xeg could be/are likely scum.

[Doctor Drew]

I'm gonna do what's called a pro-gamer move and claim my role... I'm sorry guys I feel it's necessary... I'll put it in spoilers though for the suspense though but I'm a

Spoiler:

Sick aussie bloke with impeccable music taste

Is that 1 shot?

[Doctor Drew]

JJh, I am weary of your confidence about this game being easy though.

Remember Alisae is the mod here lol.

[Doctor Drew]

hello

Quick question......red or green?

[Doctor Drew]

Ya Hu Tao is town, feels she is naturally pushing Flavor to explain his town read on her

Hu, do you believe Flavor is being genuine here?

[Doctor Drew]

FL, you have experience with geraintm, right

Any thoughts on 501-503?

I would now like a second opinion on this from someone who is not FL

Only one game with them, but experience or no experience with them.....seems a bit shady.

I potentially can sort them overnight though......or at least that was my plan.

Probably a good time now to say we are Neighbors, not of the friendly variety though.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh, not sure why you'd claim neighbours rn but I'll take it

Doesn't really affect anything tbh......wish there was day talk though.

[Doctor Drew]

And just throwing it out there that I can help sort them a bit more than others, if their slot is a point of concern.

I have some good torture methods to make people talk lol.

[Doctor Drew]

I did check our hood, each of us made one post before game start and wanted to refresh my memory on what he said.

He was quick to call me town, which is odd, not sure if it was a joke or not though.

[Doctor Drew]

Stahp, keep that to yourself

Would you like to play a game?

[Doctor Drew]

Question

If i told y’all i was scum will you town read me

Going for the Firebringer play?

[Doctor Drew]

Question

If i told y’all i was scum will you town read me

Going for the Firebringer play?

I was literally in my head about to go “ya know what feels fun, being Firebringer”

Sometimes Firebringer is just town.

Being scum with him actually influenced my play for the better.

[Doctor Drew]

Like, scum!FL knows that with me at the forefront of the game you have to damage control and push me in a f(l)avourable direction when you get the chance so I gave you a few chances and kept my eyes open the whole time

Just putting this out there for people placing you after I die

I get you are a solid, if not great, town player.

But this is the second time you have mentioned dying as it is a formality.

Why do you keep assuming as such?

[Doctor Drew]

hu tao and i scum team yall dont stand a chance srry

Ya but you exposed Hu Tao.

Fatal mistake.

[Doctor Drew]

call me flavorbrnger rest of game

.....On this weeks Diners, Drive in's, and Dives!

[Doctor Drew]

Hu Tao Tuesdays and Flavor Bringer u can join our Elite 6

Don't you dare mention the Elite 6!!

[Doctor Drew]

Firebringer bot confirmed

[Doctor Drew]

Jack jerry got put in the e6 so i can put their reads in a flavourable position

VOTE: Jack Jerry

I am calling bullshit

[Doctor Drew]

Is there a particular reason Roden shouldn't be locktowned atp? I think he genuinely made a mistake so in order to be scum he would have had to have like never checked the PT after pregame

Meh.

Any decent player could pull that off.

Especially since everyone else seemed to know that there wasn't daytalk.

Maybe a push for saying they are town......but definitely not lock town.

[Doctor Drew]

I think the only reason Roden does that while knowing of it is to reaction test? So I place low odds on him being scum but not zero odds

WTF?

Why wouldn't scum do that to make it seem like they aren't in a PT?

[Doctor Drew]

Why is JJh getting heat?

I mean, the most obvious answer is the correct one

A wagon between Dann and Gera seems like right move

VOTE: Gera

[Doctor Drew]

Oh, what the hell?
Somehow my brain automatically went to the only claimed slot so far = marci.
So we now have a silly softed IC/FN in marci, and a two-player (or more?) hood claimed?

I am working on the assumption Drew is 90% town

I guess one issue is that claiming a hood this early is in many ways similar from the scumsters POV, as getting confirmed VT-slots out of us.
Unless people in the hood can have multiple roles

(DO NOT COMMENT ON THIS OR GIVE THE "RIGHT" ANSWER IN THREAD ANYONE)

scum now have a more refined pool for PR-hunting if they want to take a shot there.

And unless the hoodsters actually make any beneficial progress there, it's not actually "power" to us.

^^^
I had zero intention of outing myself today.

But the complex nature of the game is why I am never going to give Drew a pass, Mod is likely funking with us all somehow

Why is it that gera is assuming you are more likely to be town because you are a neighbour

Oh, and I think I already mentioned it, but the one thing he said in the Hood was that I was 90% percent town.....which obviously was before D1 even started. That was the first thing to make me say hmmm.

I kinda think if he town read me I would return the favor, for whatever reason.

I was a willing to get to N1 and talk to him more, but most of his posts today have been bad bad, and sometimes

Enchant

Flavor Leaf

Gera is just scum.

[Doctor Drew]

Would you be willing to vote bulge instead on this particular day phase

Why tho?

[Doctor Drew]

I think bulge is probably the cop based on gera being a neighbour

That being said I guess we could just do gera

Why can't gera also be a cop?

[Doctor Drew]

I feel like by the nature of the public information the role should just be a mafia cop

like, it would be misleading if it was like, a joat with a 1 shot cop or something

But it depends how far you veer off

I fear you may be overthinking things.

But again, why would Bulge be cop?

[Doctor Drew]

I dont like how everyones ignoring me now smh i thought i was the mc

Now you are just the NPC that keeps walking into the wall.

And what happens if you aren't nk'ed?

[Doctor Drew]

Why did we collectively unvote gamma by the way?

Think you are missing the context of this post. People scumread you and then unvoted early. And I disagree. I think most say Una is town. But doesn't matter

I am not one of them.

Also, why is Gamma scum?

[Doctor Drew]

Imma go VOTE: Bulge[/vore]

vore

Vore: Will Ramos

[Doctor Drew]

I liked that string of posts from Dann personally.

Same

Isn't that the classic 'good player repps into a scum slot and obv towns it' mistake?

Like did you think Dann would just start open wolfing or something?

Pre Edit: Speaking of Finland, I used to love Finntroll back in the day.

[Doctor Drew]

I liked that string of posts from Dann personally.

Same

Isn't that the classic 'good player repps into a scum slot and obv towns it' mistake?

Like did you think Dann would just start open wolfing or something?

Pre Edit: Speaking of Finland, I used to love Finntroll back in the day.

can you explain why my slot is a scum slot

idk im biased but i dont think my predecessor picks a half fight with FL in the way he did as scum

and i’m surprised if you have a PoE to the level of jjh’s at this point in the game

In general your predecessor was scum read, and people were literally saying you repped into scum and said you would be limmed.

But now you have somewhat saved the slot.

Now, like I said, we have all seen that show before where someone repps into a scum slot(like not scum read, a literal scum slot) and plays well and everyone forgets about what the predecessor did.

I should say, this isn't all about you......I have my suspicions of Una so I could see a world where a buddy gives you a little bit of support(since people are somehow town reading Una) for some town cred.

But I also want to here from Gamma, not sure why they are potentially falling for it.

Now, I don't prefer your lim, I mainly voted Xeg to go with Flavor's plan to push them a bit, I am speaking on how others have viewed your slot. That being said, and for reasons I just said, your slot getting sorted gives some info now at the very least.....more so than Xeg did if no one can come to a consensus.

And I believe you asked before about heat on JJh, I saw at least one person voting them and gerat trying to discredit them......so ya, I feel that had/have some heat.....which again, for now at least, I don't get

Also, I have been a bit lurky(been busy the last few days), but do you think I haven't been at least paying attention when I can?

[Doctor Drew]

Pre Edit: Speaking of Finland, I used to love Finntroll back in the day.

I got you covered:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dudPOUWOuKI
For anyone else here wondering - a sample of the more "easily listenable" songs from them. Good melody etc.

Oh yes, Trollhameren is a banger, such a great drinking song

[Doctor Drew]

It’s more that I don’t think geraint voting jjh is equal to jjh “receiving a bit of heat”

That feels like a superficial read of the gamestate and I would expect if you were that disengaged as town you simply wouldn’t make a read that superficial?

Who said I was disengaged? I literally just said I was following along, just not posting a bunch.

What are you doing here Dann?

[Doctor Drew]

you said you have been busy but paying attention where you can, that doesn't seem like optimal engagement

One, you also came into the game going right after JJh, so it was more than just a vote.....you tried to discredit them right off the bat.

Two, why are my reads on the game state less valid just because I didn't have the energy to dedicate some time to Mafia and post some.....even if I had been following along?

[Doctor Drew]

In my books, if there is not at least one scum in Hu Tao / marcistar / Flavor Leaf I feel like I need to apologize afterwards.
Don't see that being the case in here at all though.

From the looks of it now, be ready to apologize. I'll be expecting it post game

So.....you know Marci and Flavor aren't scum?

[Doctor Drew]

you said you have been busy but paying attention where you can, that doesn't seem like optimal engagement

One, you also came into the game going right after JJh, so it was more than just a vote.....you tried to discredit them right off the bat.

Two, why are my reads on the game state less valid just because I didn't have the energy to dedicate some time to Mafia and post some.....even if I had been following along?

I came into the game town reading jjh

I'm not saying your reads are less valid or trying to insult you as a player or anything

it feels like your takes are coming from someone who is reading the game on a more superficial level than what I would expect from town!you

I'm not saying you're scum because you're lurking or whatever

Admittedly, me saying 'jjh was getting heat' was after I saw a vote on them and you and him having a back and forth where it seemed you were kinda pushing him. So I will give you it to you that read may have been more superficial as I go back and days things.

But if you claim to know my town game, you know most of my D1 reads are superficial, I generally comment on what is going on with me directly(which there hasn't been much unless I make a read/take a stand....like now) or what the current game state is and how I see it(and if it is a large game, I will just coast lol).

And I didn't think you were insulting me as a players just saying that just because someone isn't at the forefront of activity, doesn't mean they can't offer valid insight.

[Doctor Drew]

I will say, my vote is becoming a vanity vote.....I will switch to Bulge if needed since I overall like the people on that wagon.

They are all sound a stand up gentlemen and gentleladies.

[Doctor Drew]

Also the fact that everyones giving me a free pass

I dont think its hard to see that once people decide im town my effort reduces significantly compared yo what it could be

Uhh, people are giving you a 'free pass' because of your claim.

We collectively have decided that 'you are town' because of your claim.

Something isn't adding up here, it almost seems like you made your role claim so you can just coast without any heat on you......at least for now.

[Doctor Drew]

Just saying i remember the last time i tried to speedwagon gamma they were mad about it...

Subject: DEFCON 6.0 MAFIA PT

I think we should probably go hard after Gamma though. I haven't played in Gamma for a while but from what I remember he gets mad or annoyed under the pressure and flails. Is this true?

hmmmm

I wasn't complicit in this, why I nuked T3

But has marci tried to speedwagon you here??

[Doctor Drew]

Im not trying to suggest anything yet
I just think those posts are related

Not following....

[Doctor Drew]

doctor drew ur always scum in every game im in.
give me a good reason why ur not here

What are the odds

also i read the scum chat from defcon much love bro.
all the homo

You are my one true love

[Doctor Drew]

That response by Drew does cause alarm bells ngl

Huh?

[Doctor Drew]

I think una is scum

^^

Though I will offer to hammer Bulge if that is the consensus.

And I expect more from FB, I thought we had an alliance.

[Doctor Drew]

Yeah drew seems like hes trying to defend me and thats kinda weird >.> my knight in shining armor maybe?

No?

I just didn't recall you ever really going after Gamma here, easily could have missed it though if either of you want to show that you did.

[Doctor Drew]

Yeah drew seems like hes trying to defend me and thats kinda weird >.> my knight in shining armor maybe?

No?

I just didn't recall you ever really going after Gamma here, easily could have missed it though if either of you want to show that you did.

Marci has been a broken record calling me scum, and keeps refusing to directly engage me instead opting to criticize every move I make

Oh ok, that kinda makes sense why I missed it. I was thinking more votes and actually building a case on you.

And Marci, can you engage with me why Gamma is scum?

[Doctor Drew]

I will hammer shortly unless someone objects or has something they want to say.

[Doctor Drew]

Can it be as simple as some sort of combo of Hu/Bulge/Gamma?

[Doctor Drew]

Can it be as simple as some sort of combo of Hu/Bulge/Gamma?

u forgot to include urself

I am the 3p trying to create chaos

Shhhhhh

[Doctor Drew]

drew if thats ur solve why r u on gera

Just a thought that popped in my head from the recent posting of all three.

I said as much my vote on gera has been vanity for a bit, still think they are scum.....but said a bunch I would switch to Bulge.

What is with these serious questions?

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Bulge

But was planning on hammering anyways before they were 'saved'....so

[Doctor Drew]

drew if thats ur solve why r u on gera

Just a thought that popped in my head from the recent posting of all three.

I said as much my vote on gera has been vanity for a bit, still think they are scum.....but said a bunch I would switch to Bulge.

What is with these serious questions?

what do you make of hu tao's hammer threat gambit?

I thought it was at best clearly a joke......at worst looking for someone to fall for the joke and say yes.

I don't get why they say it was a test

[Doctor Drew]

Should I just hammer without a claim for the funny?

I'm gonna say no

Did this as a test for gamma. She's likely scum who knows bulge is town. Otherwise would have unvoted after

Like, how would Hu know that Gamma would be the one to respond to their post?

VOTE: Hu

[Doctor Drew]

Drew are you town reading the bulge now or

No, but heavily scum reading Hu more

[Doctor Drew]

Won't quote the post tree Hu......but like I have said the way you got super defensive when I postulated based off the posting by you and Gamma and the timing of it as Bulge was about to be hammered is what became the real read on you.

Me wondering if this could be the scum/traitor combo was simply stream of consciousness while reading the thread in real time.

[Doctor Drew]

Especially since Gamma was working to get the vote back on Dann.

And then after that Gamma launched a tiny offensive my way, and then, as stated you got real defensive and launched a big offensive my way.

All around the time Bulge was about to be hammered.

So, objectively speaking, how couldn't I wonder if you three are connected?

[Doctor Drew]

my Dann vote was only to test Hu

So you two are just going to 'test' each other when deadline is fast approaching and someone is about to be hammered?

[Doctor Drew]

This is why I specifically challenged you to prove the alleged simplicity of your solve
I think seeing me and Hu Tao interacting that way and concluding we’re associated is a reach, and other evidence points against that solve imo

It was a simple observation, I don't know how many other ways I can say it wasn't a hardcore 'lock it in' read.

But how you two acted AFTER that, make it much more serious and hardcore of a read.

[Doctor Drew]

On the other hand, Hu Tao saying "why would I do X as scum, that's such a bad play and the best thing would be to do nothing" isn't a good look since I used that exact defense last time I rolled scum. It's giving "caught for the wrong reason" vibes.

VOTE: Hu Tao

Mute point since I believe this was a hammer anyways.

[Doctor Drew]

On the other hand, Hu Tao saying "why would I do X as scum, that's such a bad play and the best thing would be to do nothing" isn't a good look since I used that exact defense last time I rolled scum. It's giving "caught for the wrong reason" vibes.

VOTE: Hu Tao

Mute point since I believe this was a hammer anyways.

Hu was at 5 last VC and Roden’s was the only new vote I saw

In other news, I can't count

[Doctor Drew]

I think the bugle x tao theory is the dumbest thing ive seen this game

Are you willing to vote Dan or drew?

Eh prob

I dont wanna vote nono but ill also vote there if i have to
Tho im confused why i havent seen jacksonvirgo post for awhile are they lurking scum!??!

Who wants to tell her?

[Doctor Drew]

has someone town cased doctor drew here, cause i don't see any reason to and my gut (plus statistics) tell me he is mafia.

My role PM and our alliance says I am town.

Plus, I have only been scum in games where you started the game with me, so now we are starting a new streak of Drew town games when Fire repps in.

Did you just vote me right out the gates because of the stats? Or did you read something, anything, that pinged your gut?

[Doctor Drew]

There were things in ur iso that pinged me. If i have to make a case later i will
Also we aren't in an alliance here!?!?!?!

When was that decided and i wasnt involved in such discussions.

Every alliance with me carries over to every game going forward. I figured someone of your profession would have read the fine print.

Did you only iso me?

[Doctor Drew]

Marci and fire. Any thoughts? Think the other 2 gave their thoughts already.

is there any other claims

cuz otherwise im... indifferent to it all?

like

I HAVENT HAD TIME TO THINK MUCH OF OUTSIDE THE BEEG VOICES
CUZ OF EXAMSSSSS

Why are you still on Firebringer?

[Doctor Drew]

Marci and fire. Any thoughts? Think the other 2 gave their thoughts already.

is there any other claims

cuz otherwise im... indifferent to it all?

like

I HAVENT HAD TIME TO THINK MUCH OF OUTSIDE THE BEEG VOICES
CUZ OF EXAMSSSSS

Why are you still on Firebringer?

where have i had time to actually take a deep read into the game recently huh??

point out the time you seem to think i so clearly have.

I mean, you are posting now.

You could look at the last few pages where most of the action has happened anyways.

You know the day ends in less than 24 hours, right?

[Doctor Drew]

Dann and Hu Tao, do you even scum read each other?

Yes, I just scumread drew more

I might sig this post game.

I do agree with Dann here in how you are reading him and me, you panicked when I said I would hammer Bulge, and panicked when I thought out loud and wondered if it could be you/bulge/gamma, and just screamed 'SCUM!!!' without giving it much thought and have worked to discredit me and my reads.

How can one be so confident of:

A Bulge town read

A Drew scum read

Given how D1 has progressed.

Now, you not wanting to move to Dann does give some pause, I kinda get where you are coming from when you talk about him moving his vote around quite a bit here......but then we come back full circle to just trying to find the scummy things only.

So I would be willing to vote Dann, but would much prefer you......isn't a slam dunk though.

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: Not wanting to move to Dann meaning you would highly prefer me over him

[Doctor Drew]

I think bulge is town but I'll vote if I need to. Claim?

I will hammer shortly unless someone objects or has something they want to say.

Can we unvote here? This is clearly town

VOTE: dann

I'd prefer gamma but this is most likely to go through

These posts happened in under 2 hours

I said I would hammer, and then 10 minutes later you wanted someone to unvote.

Pre Edit: Kinda funny since we are doing the same thing lol.

I didn't think Bulge was a slam dunk, I wanted to hear from them and get a claim ideally.....you know, like what you asked for. So I gave time for people to speak.

What exactly is the issue you have with that?

[Doctor Drew]

do u have a tierlist tao

or a specific person i should iso while im putting off my studies

I think Drew is the scummiest if you wanna iso him. But there isn't enough time to get him voted out anymore. So you can iso him. Or Dann if you hadn't yet

I want you to go through my iso and explain why I am the scummiest.

Same goes for Firebringer fwiw

[Doctor Drew]

Should I just hammer without a claim for the funny?

I'm gonna say no

Did this as a test for gamma. She's likely scum who knows bulge is town. Otherwise would have unvoted after

Oh this happened? How does that matter when you you begged for votes off of Bulge TEN MINUTES after I said I would hammer them.

While I wait for you to go through my iso and case me as scum.

Can you do the same for Bulge as town?

Since you seem so very very confident about both reads.

[Doctor Drew]

OH HE IS? IM SORRHY UNVOTE:

Why unvote? It is known he is at E-1 one way or another

[Doctor Drew]

No one will just hammer. Otherwise they would have done it when bulge was at e-1

okay then maybe if someone quickhammers its proof of bulge x them??

VOTE: dann

Who quick hammers on D1??

Marci you can vote hu tao instead

^^

This game is making my head hurt

[Doctor Drew]

i think tao has a point though

whats your points on tao?

I literally just made a post about Hu

[Doctor Drew]

i think tao has a point though

whats your points on tao?

I literally just made a post about Hu

Multiple posts even

[Doctor Drew]

i think tao has a point though

whats your points on tao?

I literally just made a post about Hu

all ur points were bad so i ask dann

So.....while we are waiting for Hu to case me as scum, and to case bulge as town.....sure that is gonna happen any minute now.

Maybe you can explain why my points were bad.

[Doctor Drew]

Should I just hammer without a claim for the funny?

I'm gonna say no

Did this as a test for gamma. She's likely scum who knows bulge is town. Otherwise would have unvoted after

Oh this happened? How does that matter when you you begged for votes off of Bulge TEN MINUTES after I said I would hammer them.

While I wait for you to go through my iso and case me as scum.

Can you do the same for Bulge as town?

Since you seem so very very confident about both reads.

On this subject, I think I got a vibe that Hu wasn’t serious about the hammer threat and her talking about her Bulge read makes me believe that was right

What do you make of, after this 'hammer threat', me saying I will hammer Bulge and Hu almost immediately wanting votes off of Bulge......and subsequently onto Dann?

Do you have a town read here that would cause you to act that way when the threat of a REAL hammer is dropped?

[Doctor Drew]

Should I just hammer without a claim for the funny?

I'm gonna say no

Did this as a test for gamma. She's likely scum who knows bulge is town. Otherwise would have unvoted after

Oh this happened? How does that matter when you you begged for votes off of Bulge TEN MINUTES after I said I would hammer them.

While I wait for you to go through my iso and case me as scum.

Can you do the same for Bulge as town?

Since you seem so very very confident about both reads.

On this subject, I think I got a vibe that Hu wasn’t serious about the hammer threat and her talking about her Bulge read makes me believe that was right

What do you make of, after this 'hammer threat', me saying I will hammer Bulge and Hu almost immediately wanting votes off of Bulge......and subsequently onto Dann?

Do you have a town read here that would cause you to act that way when the threat of a REAL hammer is dropped?

Not really but I kinda just want a flip by now

Would have been Bulge......is kinda part of my point here

[Doctor Drew]

I only reached that point after unvoting Bulge ftr

But you did unvote before I could hammer, when I said I would.

Can you see why I am still suspicious of you as well?

[Doctor Drew]

So what, I was supposed to not pull the thread of Hu’s Dann read while the iron was hot?

Why do you trust Hu's read on Dann?

Why are so nonchalant about now just wanting a flip, when the Bulge flip was literally about to happen.....the iron was scorching hot there and you would have had what you so desire right now......and we could have saved ourselves some time.

[Doctor Drew]

So what, I was supposed to not pull the thread of Hu’s Dann read while the iron was hot?

Why do you trust Hu's read on Dann?

Why are so nonchalant about now just wanting a flip, when the Bulge flip was literally about to happen.....the iron was scorching hot there and you would have had what you so desire right now......and we could have saved ourselves some time.

I didn’t at the time
You’re not getting what I am trying to say and it’s too much work to clarify rn

I am all ears.

[Doctor Drew]

its probably just Marcistar tbh, but their claim lets them live a few days.

That is what I fear tbh.

She has shown no effort to do anything when she claims she is confTown.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Gamma

Fire, I told you.....can't escape the alliance lol

[Doctor Drew]

Though I would argue that if Gamma is scum, which I was leaning towards already, I think Hu is the traitor....not town.

[Doctor Drew]

Though I would argue that if Gamma is scum, which I was leaning towards already, I think Hu is the traitor....not town.

yeah okay

That's why you did your little song and dance about your 'threat to hammer'......right?

Gotta call out to scum somehow.

[Doctor Drew]

How come when I ask to unvote the E1 it's suspicious but when flavor does it, it is okay?

Because the opposing wagon(s) are way more suss??

And I was the only one to really call you out on that......so who's emotions are you appealing to here?

[Doctor Drew]

At this point Flavor, if you can’t see what I’m doing here, you just aren’t trying.

What are you soft claiming here?

setting up PR crumbs for protection. probs still figuring out what they wanna claim.

She pulled the same shit when I was asking about her posting around the Hu 'hammer threat'

[Doctor Drew]

I won't be too active before deadline, maybe like a few hours before I can pop in

[Doctor Drew]

ok this might sound really scummy butim like

pretty

sure drew is town >.>

That based on the claim from yesterday, or something else?

something else that drew should know the half of

the other half idk if its useful to say.. do u think i should just?

Yes I know, got it loud and clear

[Doctor Drew]

ok this might sound really scummy butim like

pretty

sure drew is town >.>

That based on the claim from yesterday, or something else?

something else that drew should know the half of

the other half idk if its useful to say.. do u think i should just?

Yes I know, got it loud and clear

To be specific, I got the message from the mail man

[Doctor Drew]

umm!! yeah that was someone else!

are you sure you don't have anything else?? haha!

Umm no, just the message

[Doctor Drew]

umm!! yeah that was someone else!

are you sure you don't have anything else?? haha!

Umm no, just the message

Well we are in a hood now

[Doctor Drew]

yeah im a loyal neighbourizer

I figured, kinda thought you were a friendly neighborizer and thought you would be revealed as such to me, but loyal makes sense as well.

Also given the wording of the message, I can only believe you.

Who sent the message?

[Doctor Drew]

yeah im a loyal neighbourizer

Why would you claim this?

The message did say that come dawn my alignment would be known, does sound like a loyal role.....and I have been neighborized by her.

Pre Edit: But again though, who is the mailman?

[Doctor Drew]

The message was in first person.....

[Doctor Drew]

i dont think we bait for more roles rn drew

if they rlly want to they can send one of us a message tonight so that we know who they are right? maf doesnt need to know

Gotcha

[Doctor Drew]

marci why did u choose drew

My rugged good looks, my boyish charm, or witty sense of humor.

So many reasons to choose me.

[Doctor Drew]

Also, I will say that I am back to not really trusting Gera.

I have a feeling they are using our hood to try to pocket me.

They have been way too trusting of me.....almost to a TMI level.

[Doctor Drew]

i mean i would choose u drew, but im wondering why marci choose u

All joking aside, is a fair question.

[Doctor Drew]

Loyal Neighborizer doesn’t confirm Marci, it confirms the other player.

Could be scum neighborizer claiming Loyal.

I think I’m semi okay with the claim, though, and I will sit back today.

I keep going back and forth on this, the message I received highly suggested they were loyal though.

But still.....some questions I do have about the presentation of it all.

Peter Edit: Did you crumb at all D1 that you would target me?

[Doctor Drew]

Peter Edit is my alias

[Doctor Drew]

I am scary in non smart ways.

Hu Tao is the actual real scary one here lol.

Pre Edit: Is the alliance back on Fire?

VOTE: Gera

[Doctor Drew]

Loyal Neighborizer doesn’t confirm Marci, it confirms the other player.

Could be scum neighborizer claiming Loyal.

I think I’m semi okay with the claim, though, and I will sit back today.

I keep going back and forth on this, the message I received highly suggested they were loyal though.

But still.....some questions I do have about the presentation of it all.

Peter Edit: Did you crumb at all D1 that you would target me?

The message did not come from Marci if they are claiming Loyal Neighborizer.

So i don’t know why you’re trying to combine those 2.

Why would another player know you were to be confirmed through Marcistar, and why are you not questioning how that’s happening?

Am I missing something?

What did your message say?

Said it comes from a Mailman, says that they can deduce the alignment of others, says that by dawn it will be clear what my alignment is, and sometimes silence speaks loudly.

I took that as being loyal.....but also Marci said the message came from someone else.

So which one is loyal?

Pre Edit: I don't fully buy everything, but I also have the luxury of having the message.

But the third party in question(the mailman) is throwing me for a loop.

[Doctor Drew]

ill ask my scum buddy then

dannflor, is marcistar a loyal neighborizer

LITERALLY WHY DOES NOBODY BELIEVE ME THIS IS SO FRUSTRATING

LIKE IT SAYS RIGHT HERE IN MY ROLE DM

Marci, did you get a message from the Mail man as well?

[Doctor Drew]

no

And you are not the mailman?

[Doctor Drew]

im not, im loyal neighbourizer

I ask cause I keep reading the message, and it reads like the mailman is the loyal one.....not you.

[Doctor Drew]

I am actually scared of Hu, they have been scum the last couple games I have played with them and had a hard time sussing it out.

Gamma I feel I used to read well, and I don't see scum here from her so far.

I really think JJh is town.

Flavor is Flavor for now, lean town.....but they usually expose themselves as town at some point if they actually are, so let's hope for that.

(I have a tinfoil thought that JJh and Flavor are buddies and that was just some theater, but that is just something to file away for a later day.....I won't let my brain be filled with that paranoia at this point lol)

Boo! Scary~

I am scary in non smart ways.

Hu Tao is the actual real scary one here lol.

Pre Edit: Is the alliance back on Fire?

VOTE: Gera

I'm not scum. No need to be scared here

You already tried scaring me lol

[Doctor Drew]

I'm indifferent on it right now, as I don't feel it's worth arguing over right now.

Subject change then.......

Does anyone think Dann has traitor equity?

Pre Edit: Marci, there is nothing in our hood that says you are loyal, and the message from the Mail Man only hints at it, and more hints that the Mail Man is loyal and makes no mention of you.

[Doctor Drew]

okay if im not loyal how do we even have the hood then?

For the love of Christ......

You can just be a regular ol neighborizer......and not loyal.

[Doctor Drew]

because both drew and i are in the hood so therefore we are both town??

whats so hard to understand about this smh

This is the same backwards logic that Gera said about our hood.

I can't believe this has been a conversation that has taken multiple pages of the game......and now multiple years off my life.

Nothing has been proven to me that you are town.....full.....stop.

[Doctor Drew]

Like I’m arguing a semantics argument here, i don’t give a shit about your alignment right now.

I’m in the process of figuring it out.

I almost think you’re more likely to be town who’s just being dumb at this point

Worst case, I can shine the light in her face at night and figure her out.

Pre Edit: I am so befuddled I wanna not forget other players as well tbf

[Doctor Drew]

bold of you to assume im not dying tonight

If you are town, you are low on the list of the NK.

Pre Edit: Ok I have seen enough

VOTE: Marci

[Doctor Drew]

i dont get why you guys want to lim town so badly

like flashbacks to the one time i was doc haha!! #stayhatin

Well, then do something townie instead of screaming that you are town......for reasons?

[Doctor Drew]

3rd scum is probs Dann or Bulge.

But i dont know which. Just going off the fact im probably town reading a scum

More likely Bulge

[Doctor Drew]

Loyal Neighborizer doesn’t confirm Marci, it confirms the other player.

Could be scum neighborizer claiming Loyal.

I think I’m semi okay with the claim, though, and I will sit back today.

I keep going back and forth on this, the message I received highly suggested they were loyal though.

But still.....some questions I do have about the presentation of it all.

Peter Edit: Did you crumb at all D1 that you would target me?

The message did not come from Marci if they are claiming Loyal Neighborizer.

So i don’t know why you’re trying to combine those 2.

Why would another player know you were to be confirmed through Marcistar, and why are you not questioning how that’s happening?

Am I missing something?

What did your message say?

Said it comes from a Mailman, says that they can deduce the alignment of others, says that by dawn it will be clear what my alignment is, and sometimes silence speaks loudly.

I took that as being loyal.....but also Marci said the message came from someone else.

So which one is loyal?

Pre Edit: I don't fully buy everything, but I also have the luxury of having the message.

But the third party in question(the mailman) is throwing me for a loop.

It sounds like Marci is a scum Neighborizer and has a scum Mailman on her team, because there's absolutely no way for a town Mailman to know what your alignment is without being Loyal themselves. She Neighborized you and claimed to be Loyal, and the scum Mailman tried to collaborate by hinting that you would be confirmed as town.

"Sometimes silence speaks loudly" is just scum trying to tell you to keep quiet about the circumstances of the Mailman and "Loyal hood", so that you don't question what's going on and so the rest of town can't point out the holes in Marci's claim and the message you received.

Leaf is 100% right that scum killed JJH exactly because he would lay out all the flaws in everything scum is trying to pull right now.

The exact phrasing is 'sometimes silence speaks louder then a thousand words.

yeah im a loyal neighbourizer

Why would you claim this?

i wanted drew to know that im not the mailman?

idk and i thought everyone would sus me so it would be better to claim it sooner rather than later right? more time to marinate in the info

This is cap.

They wanted Drew specifically to know they were not the mailman, but didn’t say it in neighborhood?

Tbf, without day talk nothing has been said in the Hood

[Doctor Drew]

If I’m right on Marci, im probably just dead.

Honestly, i see reasons why if I’m wrong on Marci, i just get killed too.

Best way to deal with me.

Let me run through Day 1-2 and kill me off.

Early game doesn’t matter until late game.

Why you over me?

I am basically confTown now.....no matter Marci's alignment.

Unless scum want to push that this is a Marci/Drew scum gambit.

[Doctor Drew]

Nah, that’s a silly role. That just confirms townies.

Maybe Complex Neighborizer? Could be traitor.

If Marci is traitor, Hu Tao/Una could be their teammate, and maybe the Mailman stuff was accidental.

Would I really be the target of two different and independent night actions?

[Doctor Drew]

Nah, that’s a silly r yellow ole. That just confirms townies.

Maybe Complex Neighborizer? Could be traitor.

If Marci is traitor, Hu Tao/Una could be their teammate, and maybe the Mailman stuff was accidental.

Totally independent of in game play, I am thoroughly enjoying this game.......I think our OG yellow m&m(Ali), has done a bang up job here.

But maybe I am sucker for weird night time interactions lol.

Anywho, as much as I love conversing with you Flavor......would love to hear from Bulge, Una, and Dann as well.

[Doctor Drew]

Nah, that’s a silly r yellow ole. That just confirms townies.

Maybe Complex Neighborizer? Could be traitor.

If Marci is traitor, Hu Tao/Una could be their teammate, and maybe the Mailman stuff was accidental.

Totally independent of in game play, I am thoroughly enjoying this game.......I think our OG yellow m&m(Ali), has done a bang up job here.

But maybe I am sucker for weird night time interactions lol.

Anywho, as much as I love conversing with you Flavor......would love to hear from Bulge, Una, and Dann as well.

Ha, borked your quote a bit, my B

[Doctor Drew]

Would u ever do something like this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_Life_of_Fools

OMG, I have actually thought of being in a actual reality show version of mafia.

I would be such the asshole that everyone hates initially, but would love at the end of the game haha

I think that’s what The Traitors is? I haven’t watched it myself though.

The finnish version of Traitors is finally running. I like the premise and some of the gimmicks, but the contestants are just dumb.
They have this Village Idiot-type who's been pushing votes for the first three times. All of them missed, every time they seem surprised, and the next morning they come in with "TODAY I'll get them". It would be funny if it wasn't just annoying and sad. Sad because I'm like 90%+ certain they are just that delusional, and not playing a reality-role.

Interesting way to bring up Traitors. Notice that Marci does it with Gamma being the one to bring it up.

Followed by that, Una then continues it.

Going with this line of thinking, I almost feel like marci is the scum here, Una the traitor.

I do get the impression that marci hides behind playing dumb(no offense), was just scum with her(albeit in a kinda bonkers meme game......shout out Firebringer and our alliance)......but she was similar to here.

[Doctor Drew]

I crumbed my role like CRAZY in that game as well.
I got to slip in some talk of Universal monster-movies or something. Talked about a TUB in some context and all..oh the times.
And yet..somebody..was able to convince people to not trust me and discredited my crumbs even though I had a very clear cut and consistent meta of doing it back then.
Wouldn't do it nowadays - mainly because I've gotten a bit lazy crafting secret messages for the future. Especially since most people are not going to believe them anyway.
Oh well.

Una is scum mailman

Btw, should I go check the wiki by myself or is it all good if I ask a little setup/meta -questions here?

For example the fact that the scumsters have a cop..is it a gag of some kind or is there any valid reason for it in a normal game?
And as far as I understand "complex", it just means that there are likely some weird roles about? Maybe tons of roles anyway? Some of them misleading?

If people absolutely dislike this kind of talk here, then fine, I'll go and read the wiki by myself some time, but I'd rather just here directly from the players how everyone views "normalcy" or "complexity" nowadays.

Complex Mailmain

The end of the message does say 'From, Town '???' Mailman',

[Doctor Drew]

I legit think the MailMan is town

[Doctor Drew]

I agree. Una is more likely to be the traitor, if any at all.

This makes the last scum a Cop, I would imagine a Role Cop.

I don’t think it’s Geraint. Geraint trusted me completely in a neighborhood recently too, and they were town.

Ya but, how far does that trust go to what you reveal in the hood?

I just don't buy they are being earnest with me.

[Doctor Drew]

I agree. Una is more likely to be the traitor, if any at all.

This makes the last scum a Cop, I would imagine a Role Cop.

I don’t think it’s Geraint. Geraint trusted me completely in a neighborhood recently too, and they were town.

Ya but, how far does that trust go to what you reveal in the hood?

I just don't buy they are being earnest with me.

To take it further, I think they want me to reveal what potential abilities I have.

[Doctor Drew]

I agree. Una is more likely to be the traitor, if any at all.

This makes the last scum a Cop, I would imagine a Role Cop.

I don’t think it’s Geraint. Geraint trusted me completely in a neighborhood recently too, and they were town.

So.....them saying here that they thought being in a hood meant both of us were confTown was a lie then?

They would know how Hood's work.

[Doctor Drew]

I agree. Una is more likely to be the traitor, if any at all.

This makes the last scum a Cop, I would imagine a Role Cop.

I don’t think it’s Geraint. Geraint trusted me completely in a neighborhood recently too, and they were town.

Ya but, how far does that trust go to what you reveal in the hood?

I just don't buy they are being earnest with me.

To take it further, I think they want me to reveal what potential abilities I have.

Did you talk to each other in the hood last night?

Yes, not too much though.

I talked about being wary on Flavor and Dann, and feeling better about Hu after the flip.

Gera still doesn't like that I revealed our hood, which I don't get.

And other things took place, which make me trust Gera less......which make me think they are looking for info from me

[Doctor Drew]

The coffee is still dribbing so this is not the time for me to try and think yet, but..
Drew - did you get that message AFTER your PT closed for the day?

The PM came with the message and the link to the Hood, but was at day start so no posting in said hood.

[Doctor Drew]

The coffee is still dribbing so this is not the time for me to try and think yet, but..
Drew - did you get that message AFTER your PT closed for the day?

The PM came with the message and the link to the Hood, but was at day start so no posting in said hood.

More specifically, was 5 minutes before day start(I just checked the time from when I got the PM, and when the daystart PM came)

[Doctor Drew]

Checked the Mailman from the wiki to be sure, but apparently you don't get their identity.
And apparently their alignment and/or potential modifiers remain hidden as well.
So this is all either Drew himself just coming up with the contents(?) or the Mailman COULD be lying?
Not trying to discredit anyone here - I have no reason to - just trying to get up to speed with what people are thinking here.

Literally sounds like are trying to discredit either myself, or the Mailman

[Doctor Drew]

Checked the Mailman from the wiki to be sure, but apparently you don't get their identity.
And apparently their alignment and/or potential modifiers remain hidden as well.
So this is all either Drew himself just coming up with the contents(?) or the Mailman COULD be lying?
Not trying to discredit anyone here - I have no reason to - just trying to get up to speed with what people are thinking here.

Literally sounds like are trying to discredit either myself, or the Mailman

Hey, hey hey, just asking some questions here so far. Trying to understand the potential implications with your claim.
Also those "quotes" you put up here makes me think there's potentially something else going on here as well.

Elaborate please

[Doctor Drew]

You are not allowed to directly quote a PM, that I'm sure of, but what do the rules say about you literally "claiming" to copy+paste it to us here?
Don't want to provoke any rule breaking here! Literally just wondering again.

I didn't directly quote anything, just gave the general gist and important stuff

[Doctor Drew]

Una, there is someone claiming to be a loyal neighborizer......who used their ability on me. There is obviously discussion about her claim, and how the mail man is involved, and even who that is.

The only scenario where I am scum if is I am scum with exactly marci.......so in that case push us.

Any other reason you are pushing me is either you scum claiming, or you muddying the waters.

So, do you think I am scum with Marci?

[Doctor Drew]

Yes I know, got it loud and clear

This in response to marci. Yet, you then add:

To be specific, I got the message from the mail man

Then this gives me the creeps with the rather likely idea of scum!marci trying to make a weird "conf.town my buddy before dying"-move and your reaction to it being off because you literally don't understand the MESSAGE coming from town at the same:

I figured, kinda thought you were a friendly neighborizer and thought you would be revealed as such to me, but loyal makes sense as well.

Also given the wording of the message, I can only believe you.

Who sent the message?

Fine, could be just town!Drew being in the middle of some weird scum!gambit and legit being confused. But.

I keep going back and forth on this, the message I received highly suggested they were loyal though.

At this immediate point you should be voting for marci then, right?
Or you really think two Loyal-roles targeted you at the same time?
But no, you vote gera out of all people? The one person you were in the hood with? That you claimed D1 out of nowhere?
And this all without getting into the wording?

You do know, and I will say this again, I am only scum with marci and marci only......so push that angle if you wish.

There is no chance I am scum, I am either confirmed by townMarci telling the truth.....or confirmed by scumMarci pulling a gambit(Which I tend to lean towards)

I voted Gera initially since I don;t trust them as well, but went to marci since she is making no sense.

What are you even doing here Una?

Pre Edit: Wow, you are finding every single angle to discredit me.........Flavor, you are right about una

Pre Edit2: I wish the message was more direct then it was

[Doctor Drew]

Humor me Drew. Use some of your brainpower on this, and then we can leave it behind us and just agree that you are town.
This is the one thing that I want you to consider - IF you were an outsider looking in on this situation - can you see the potential for a DISloyal Mailman?

Yes that could definitely be possible, I might win powerball this week as well......could be possible.

From what I can understand though, the mailman has nothing to do with the hood of me and marci.....Marci who claimed loyal neighborizer......and used her ability on me.....so despite your efforts, I can't be scum unless I am scum exactly with Marci.

[Doctor Drew]

Again - if you are scum here with the new info we have, you'd definitely be scum with marci. That I am not arguing at all.
But you are, again, very firmly stepping away from and dissing the realm of possibilities for the scenario where the Mailman is disloyal.
You make it sound like the odds are astronomical - which they aren't.
Why would the odds for a Loyal Mailman be higher than a Disloyal one?

And still, AGAIN, I am not trying to make this into a 1v1.
I'm trying to discuss the scenario here with you, because it really interests me and might help me to 1) trust you 2) trust the Mailmans judgement.

And before you keep bashing your head to the wall with the avoidance of my question, to which I'd rather get a firm answer, consider the marci-scenario first.
They keep saying THEY KNOW they are Loyal because it says so in their role-PM.
You claim here that YOU KNOW that the Mailman had to be Loyal because YOU KNOW that you are Town and they say they are Town.

I never said I know the mailman is loyal, just that the only mention in the message of being loyal was from the mailman, and it was in first person.

I was postulating that Marci might not be the one who was loyal and it could be the mail main who is loyal.

[Doctor Drew]

Don't beat around the bush, how do you know the mailman isn't loyal?

[Doctor Drew]

Town!Loyal!Mailman wouldn't have to format their words in any way.
Scum wouldn't get it, and a townie getting it doesn't clear the Mailman themselves anyway.
So a Loyal town!Mailman would just say something/anything to help THEM get the conf. from their target during the day = THEY can either out the one conf.town or continue building reads.
No need for mysteries or weirdness.

100% not a Loyal Mailman

, and the logic is there.

[Doctor Drew]

Can I check I understand this correctly Drew, you have been pulled into a Neighbourhood overnight that is different to the one we are in?

Does it have its own thread for you to talk in from tomorrow night?

Yes, for me and Marci

The coffee is still dribbing so this is not the time for me to try and think yet, but..
Drew - did you get that message AFTER your PT closed for the day?

The PM came with the message and the link to the Hood, but was at day start so no posting in said hood.

???

mailman and hood link in the same pm?

Yes, there was the message from the Mail Man, and then after the message was a link to the Hood

[Doctor Drew]

Marci open wolfing essentially is pretty funny.

I literally have tried to think of how she could town here, but then I remember that Marci is basically an open wolf in general.

And I never really thought about it, but almost positive her hooding me and the Mail Man message are completely independent of each other.

[Doctor Drew]

Huh, thought I was for sure a goner.

[Doctor Drew]

Roden was obv town after Day 2.

And nah, Drew, you got some scum equity in all that. I don’t think I believe it to be true, but you definitely have scum equity.

I guess there is a world where disloyal neighborizer says they hooded there buddy, I can actually vibe with that scum play.

But there is the problem of the Mail Man, like I said yesterday, I am almost certain Marci had no idea about that.

Pre Edit: Well I get what you mean, and you know I have no problem bussing lol

[Doctor Drew]

Una and Drew both have Traitor potential in this game now, though.

Idk, the way Una played looks bad, i just don’t think Una takes that approach as scum here and pushes Drew the way they did if Una was scum with Marcistar.

I can say that Una isn't the traitor

[Doctor Drew]

Firebringer-Drew-Hu Tao has at least one scum in them based on the way they collectively tried to keep the situation and relieve Marci. I lean the latter 2 more than FB right now.

I can see Hu, but are you being serious now in regards to me? I get paranoia, but come on.

Pre Edit: The PM from the mod was the message from the Mail Man, which was spoiled so I had to click that button. Then underneath that there was the note that I have been neighborizer by Marci with a link to the Hood.

I assume at that point she was the Mailman, but like I said I believe she had no idea about that.

[Doctor Drew]

*assumed not assume

[Doctor Drew]

I’m not feeling Geraint, I’m not feeling Drew, I’m not feeling Dann as scum. I don’t think Una either.

So Hu Tao, Firebringer, Nono is leftover right now, 2 are probably scum if I’m right this game.

Dann isn't scum as well

[Doctor Drew]

i don't think it makes sense for scum team of gera/marci to then try to hood drew separately.

Why?

[Doctor Drew]

i don't think it makes sense for scum team of gera/marci to then try to hood drew separately.

Why?

because what benefit do they again from it If they hood u, if u get elimmed for w/e reason, they both look more sus.

But Gera and I started the game in a hood, not like either of us had a say in it

Pre Edit: Yes, but because of my role I can confirm it

[Doctor Drew]

are we ever gonna get that claim? honestly, people should just start claiming if they havent yet. lets just get everyone's roles and finish this up.

I have already been teasing things lol, just want to make sure everyone is down with it.

Pre Edit: Ya I get it, but also marci gonna marci

[Doctor Drew]

I change my claim to scum.

It is scummy you didn't claim this first lol.

Me first then popcorn?

[Doctor Drew]

traitor mailman doesnt make sense because they can just send their team mail telling them who they are.

kinda defeats the purpose unless it's Disloyal Mailman.

Could make sense that they used the cop on me N1, found out I wasn't traitor.......and at the very least that is why Marci neighborized me N2

[Doctor Drew]

they are softing some type of result too, might as well just outright it.

Lol, I didn't want to claim unless I know we are doing the thing.

Town Informed Neighbor N1 PT Cop/N2 Traitor Finder

The informed part is obviously that there is a traitor in the game.

Dann is not in a PT, Una is not the Traitor.

Hu Tao, your turn

[Doctor Drew]

traitor mailman doesnt make sense because they can just send their team mail telling them who they are.

i disagree but arguing mechanics and setup is a waste of effort

i disagree and think thats something extra strong to put effort into.

That just goes against traitor play.

If scum were traitor mailman, why wouldnt they ever just message their teammate saying 'hey, it's Doctor Drew. I'm your traitor' on Night 1.

Especially since we know Mafia have a cop, I would say on a mechanical and setup level, mailman wouldnt be scum here.

u know theres versions of traitor where they aren't told who the mafia is, right?
I don't think thats normal but ive definitely seen it

I have played with both traitor knowing and not knowing.

What if the Mail Man is just flavor, and they are actually the Mafia cop? Is Mail Man an actual role?

[Doctor Drew]

who else here would talk like that in the message

I will say, it was basically said the message was created in chatgpt.....there even was a weird(not really important to the game though) typo that I could see from AI