Mini 1346: Flavorless Mafia - GAME OVER

[Ellibereth]

lolgic

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busy graduating
and filling out college forms
seeyall sometime this weekend

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OK LETSA SEE HOW MUCH TIME I HAVE BEFORE PARTIES

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I think we should massclaim.

yay/nay

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would it make a difference

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Vote: Delta

BAM

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Vote: Delta

BAM

So why the vote on Delta, are you even going to give your thoughts on anything in the game?

farrrrrrrry
you should know how I operate
blehblah


p.s.
I'm SERIOUS about massclaim request.

unvote

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[quote]Ellibereth: Please contribute or replace out. What is your read on DLG and why?[/quote.]
You're Hilarious. Tentatively town and no.

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Nah, I usually don't troll.
I also don't feel obliged to answer to shit unless I feel like it.

and massclaim is the shit
it can split us into two pools and give us a few practically confirmed people + PR coordination

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okay
yeah
my reads are mostly shit right now so I'll probably give it another day to brew

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But this does make me nostalgic.

TOWN
Slaxx
DLG
Psyche
Elli

PEOPLE LEFT
Delta
Junpei
far
Cat
ik

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I did have a reason but its pointless now.

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anyway
with this being 7-2 and thus a fair abundance of town power massclaim makes tons of sense

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NOTICES:

Iki's been on several times since last night.

and I'm amused Delta's turned off his activity record thingy (which means he's also been on...)
since it was still there last time I posted
and was there last night

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everytime DLG is referred to as DGB I do a frogface

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Could you...elaborate?

Going over thread now. Junpei should ask more interesting questions if he wants them answered promptly. (kidding)

MASSCLAIM IS AWESOME BECAUSE

IT FORCES SCUM TO MAKE COMMITMENTS NOW - LESS MANEUVERING CLAIMWISE IN FUTURE

IT PUTS THEM ON THE SPOT AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE (earlier before shit happened would have been better but whatevs)

COUNTERCLAIM POSSIBILITIES

POWERROLES WORKING TOGETHER

MORE INFORMED LYNCHES

PR/VANILLA POOL


only negative is scum know who the PR's are. Buth I think it's a least balanced out. especially in 7-2

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OH YOU VOTED
LET'S DO SHIT THIS WAY

Vote: Delta

L-1 BABY

[Ellibereth]

So Psyche-Elli-FatCat are town
Farside probs town

Elli we can claim tomorrow after we lynch scum today just in case our inv role is tracker k

Im assuming we have an inv role, a prot role, and a mafia role to counter inv role+prot role (gf, rb, etc), just because I don't see any other combination if this is a "simple" game of mafia

the hell is a mafia role for today >.>
and its regardless of today
and sooner is better so

SCUM DON'T HAVE TIME TO NIGHTTALK IT
Especially since half the settup seem to be kinda new or at least unexperienced with early massclaim scenario.

also balance wise
assuming 10 -2 is balanced
we already need a decent amount of power 7 - 2 to balance vanilla scum.
lolz if they have power

but yeah, it loses some of its effectiveness if scum have time to coordinate this shit and to take into account flips
it already is slightly less effective since they can take into account reads

SO YEAH, WE FORCE DELTY TO CLAIM AND THEN CLAIM DOWN THE LINE

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the talk about more than one person thing on cat is silly
but i'll let him deal with athat

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DELTA CLAIM

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me calling someone town and then voting someone else IS preference

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but I'll review him when I get home just for you <3

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I have to run.

Bodyguard
So me and delta conf
and I think worst case scenario confirmed in lyl
seeyall tonight

unvote

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P.S.
I NO LEAVE YET
SPEED REVISE

Iknal is Town
Psyche is Town
Junpei is Town
Slaxx is Town
Delta obv (sorry >.<)

farside
fatcat
DLG

left

yeahyeah
BYE

[Ellibereth]

v/la one more day

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the fuck is going on here
seflvote?
you guys get to wait until I'm awake...

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One thing I still dont like about the game is Ellibereth's apparant lack of true contribution. The only point they have raised is that it would be useful to massclaim, backed up by a bit of inferred statistical analysis and I dont like that one bit. Sure, Im happy for it to have cleared me in everyone's eyes, but what I dont like is the fact that Im probably now the prime choice for an NK. It stopped a mislynch on me, at the expense of the sacrificing of one or two PR's, which was unnecessary.

the fuck is wrong with you
I'm confirmed AND I'm going to throw my body in front of your damn bullet

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and ftr
worst case scenario right now is 1 confirmed town in lylo

Worst case:
Lynch Town D1
Me sacs for Delta N1, Delta finds town in the vanilla pool (we should prob discuss who cop is actually, less so everyone else, but us)
Lynch Town D2
Delta gets shot N2
D3: 1 confirmed town, 2 townies, 2 scum.

so etc.

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HEY IKNAL
I HAD YOU AS TOWN BUT WHAT IS THIS

Last visited:
Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:44 pm

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uhhhh this is boring
I'm not really sure who I want to talk to yet.
Farside, sorry to FLASHBACK LATCHON, but can you link to pass self-votes and stuff?

And AGAIN since my last check
Ikky's been posting elsewhere

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whatelse
oh yeah
Cop shit
once you all decide on a lynch Delta/me and co need to talk over cop stuff assuming both results so we can act on the patient side, we still have little under a week.
Next up, now stuff.

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meh
I disagree since the game state we're in right now lends itself to this big FARSIDE VS. FATCAT match so if I were scum I just do shit.
kinda like now except I'm confirmed and stuff so different.

I'm deciding what way I should approach this...long term looking to confirmed town in Lylo or just now.
some stuff is just being annoying here read-wise. I should have it sorted out soon....and I have to do it today since I'll be dead tomorrow ugh.

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okeeeeee
so we should be nearing consensus tiempo
since most of the talking is getting repetitive as hell
can people who are able to say

Who we should lynch today:
Whocop if town:
Whocop if scum:

actually we're not nearing consensus tiempo
because of the missing peoples
but etc.etc.

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bodyguard + 6 townie + 2 scum is imbalanced
bodyguard + cop + 5 townie + 2 scum is balanced

therefore etc.

why didn't you see this?

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chill out with the votes guys
I don't know how close he is to dead but relatively close?
we'll sit and wait for ikky
and slaxx

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and well me but etccccccc

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bleh so apparently i won't have tomorrow so I'll start reading today...
Looking at THE ABOVE.

The "not talking about people other than DLG" stuff I never saw as a problem on it's own - if you're sure someone is scum and just want to push them who the hell cares about everyone else. Examples of the 2) contradictions - my initial thought with this type of thing is based on how confident one is that X is scum but one I see the specific posts etc.

yeahk I remember the VT stuff not making sense. Rereading that part does look fucking wierd. Sucks we have no meta on him since I think that would really help...

aaand he ignored the shit out of the bottom part got it.

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and shitttttt
are we going to need a replacement for delta.

If that happens can deadline be extended

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HEY DLG

bodyguard + 6 townie + 2 scum is imbalanced
bodyguard + cop + 5 townie + 2 scum is balanced

therefore etc.

why didn't you see this?

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actually

assuming that Junpei/Psyche are town - which I think is super clear at this point
and we can find more super-strong town (probably out of Slaxx/DLG...Slaxx is at like 90% percent anyway and i'm just waiting for his latest)

then the game is already practically solvable.
yeah

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wait, game is already solved with two "assumed-confirmed" town other than me/Delta

Assuming we lynch town until lylo and cop lands innocent we have 2 mislynches until the lylo with the confirmed town.
eliminating 4 "confirmed" 5 people left.
2 lynches + cop innocent leaves 2.

sooooo no more effort necessary.

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because assumptions just don't happen in mafia

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you know how it's usually get 2 wingame?
it's get 2 TOWN wingame.
and that's a bajillion times easier.
especially here

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okaaay we can MD this afterwards but the result here will speak for itself.
the ONLY WAY there is a negative is if a roleblocker exists but I won't mind that much even if there was so etc. We can dance this one later.

And bow I'm hoping that a VT lied about his/her role so scum can maybe second-guess themselves.[/qupte] <- and lol.

But the self-vote stunt was really strange. I might have considered it town

Discounting the quote in your post - why would you have thought it town otherwise.
(I also disagree about the noone caring post-mortem thing...but again a different place and time).

and did you REALLY think noone would ask for more stuff on Slaxx when he's commonly regarded as town.

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AND YOU DON'T VOTE AFTER being all YOU ALL NOT VOTING EXPLAIN

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+addressed at KK

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Junpei - don't you think it's better to wait for Slaxx and KK to talk it over before commenting and stuff?
anywho I have thoughts on the slaxx stuff too but not now.

Kitty - you're from EM aren't you
and also
bullet points
why farside is scum
pleasey?

I've been thinking that the worst case scenario is scum have the rb and it sure as hell isn't kitty...

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wait I fucked up my research
ignore the EM comment

*Kitty cat

I was looking for his out of site games since I think they would be infinitely valuable in evaluating his play...

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naaaah
googling for off-site meta is fine
there WAS some debate for some other situation with crypto I think 2 years ago or so but I can't find the thread
we can talk about this later but I've been here long enough to know what's within bounds

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I'm thinking about the main stuff in the case now.
I missed the tracker thing which DOES make no sense. >.>

But the "getting ahead" part - you don't think town would hurry and try and find out why you think he's scum? I don't think the most common reaction as either alignment to an accusation is to wait to see what others think (except for the cases where it's people think it's crap so I'll just be dismissive vs. people think it's awesome so I have to take this shit seriously type of waiting).

are you more confi on kitty or slaxx?

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slaxx what's this heartbreak claim history thing you guys are talking about.

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Also looking over Kublai Khan's catch up post, here's a summary:

Mass claim rant
Really poor town/scum reads (not attacking accuracy, rather quality)
Unexplained investigation purposals

Kublai Khan: How did Slaxx get ahead of the story?

This Slaxx case by the way is a work of bad.

Bump Kublai Khan to the definite top of my "cop investigate please" list and add him to my scummy list.

I don't get the poor reads/accuracy vs. quality comment.
(I can see someone like you complaining about the lack of reasons or backing up. Is that what it means?)
and the investigation choices are fairly self-explanatory in tandem with his reads, no? >.>

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did farsight comment on the idea of massclaim prior to it actually happening
going through her iso tires me out.

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she doesn't always spell right y'know.

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Okay, heads up - in life you'll find that things are actually a lot easier if you just do it. They aren't as hard as they seem.

I found this post http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4129043 Which is where farside claims.

I lightly read backwards and no where does she talk about claiming. It took 2 minutes.

shit i do on here isn't analogous to shit I do in life.

- you don't think it's strange for someone to not comment on the idea before at all? I think everyone else at least called it crap, or yay nay'd.

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farside
the fuck
our cop is barely active enough to have done anything and you don't let kitty to even come here and do my request.

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why are you taking matters in your own hand when people are clearly still doing shit.
it's exactly because we're almost certainly going for fatcat today that town would have more motivation to respect the wishes of people who still want the day to go
we aren't even that close to deadline

"What you want him to spill his thoughts on the game for some reason that makes sense?" <- The hell does this mean.

AKA
WHAT BENEFITS WERE THERE FOR YOU TO HAMMERING NOW VS. SAY ON TUESDAY.
because there are CERTAINLY negatives.

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and its exactly because I'm definitely dead tonight that my bajillion patience calls should be listened to.