Mini 1400(!): Bubble Tape Mafia - It's Over!

[Jake from State Farm]

shoot mastin would be acceptable also. just for the annoyance factor. Also Thor's play is slightly off now that the attention isn't on him. I know his town meta and this isn't it.

AP, Mastin, Thor either of these will help clarify things greatly.

[Jake from State Farm]

And I'd like to emphasize once more, AP is

not

a good shot, and will be considered a scumclaim.

As will shooting me, quite frankly.

you realize when you say things like this it makes you look like mafia right? you have a 100% certainty that a player who has claimed VT is town and there is only 1 way you can possibly know this with that kind of certainty. It's the oldest scumtell in the book.

call me naive, call me a bad player, but whenever someone says shit like that they automatically ping my scumdar.

[Jake from State Farm]

I guess this game I am claiming idiot, cause neither of you 2 are obv-town to me

The bullshit is that if you 2 are scum, everyone is eating right out of your hands and not thinking for themselves. case in point the lynch that happens basically overnight. I am not confident in either or your abilities to catch scum yet people will continue to sheep you guys.

I am saying that shooting AP is NOT a scumclaim and just because mastin says it is doesn't make it true.

p.edit - lol, coming from you that's rich

[Jake from State Farm]

@ AP - you were telling people to vote kush over and over again. You even told me to vote kush, so yeah if he flips town that would be 2 mislynches you were majorly apart of. All town cred you think you have is gone because you have helped strong arm 2 mislynches.

I am not saying kthx is exempt from anything, I already am on record saying I think he is the SK so his hammer makes him look bad. He can redeem himself by shooting you but he is still probably the SK and not vig.

and I have played with Mastin before in a game where he replaced in, and his play this game is nothing like that one. he was town in that game.

[Jake from State Farm]

If I am alive day 3 I am going start taking this game seriously and literally re-read everything. Whoever is scum better be scared because I have sort of been half-assing it up until this point to prevent me having to commute. (yes I am commuting tonight and thankfully the mod confirmed a RB won't work on me so YAY ME!!)

I will be doing in depth analysis of relationships, vote counts, examining each and every reason for votes.

You will see the real jake tomorrow, I promise.

can we get a freaking flip already, it's like Christmas eve. i want to open my present Santa. Hurry up and get here already.

[Jake from State Farm]

Mastin plays by the accuse everyone and brags about being right at end game style of mafia

[Jake from State Farm]

Your sheeping Thor day 1 and your vote on Dave are not very town like.

[Jake from State Farm]

It's possible for him not to be town just sayin

[Jake from State Farm]

my commuter claim is legit, you may be confirmed town but you still aren;t very bright.

vote: kthx

[Jake from State Farm]

Also the PRs are not adding up.

Cop/Deputy is pretty powerful.

But Vig with that is kinda anti-town. Commuter could almost make sense except for the whole violating the mini-normal setup limitations thing.

commuter doesn't violate the setup limitation, way to prove the statement I just said, You aren't very bright.

Lynching kthx is the right play today. Zipper is a fine lynch as is Thor. His lurking through day 2 is completely what I would expect from him as scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

doesn't violate the setup limitation

Why?

You quoted the page yourself. Only 1 non-normal or variant role in a mini-normal. Deputy is that role. So is commuter.

deputy is backup cop you dolt

Roles which are explicitly Normal include:
Vanilla Townie, Sane Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Roleblocker, Mason, Innocent Child, Jailkeeper, Tracker, Watcher, Gunsmith, Miller, Bodyguard, Role Cop, Doublevoter, Hider, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Jack of All Trades, Serial Killer, Mafia Goon, Mafia Traitor, Mafia Godfather, Mafia Framer, Mafia-aligned versions of above roles

Modifiers which are explicitly Normal include:

Even/Odd Night, Non-Consecutive Night, X-Shot, Bulletproof, Neighbor, Compulsive, Macho, Weak,

Backup

(with or without primary role present)

from the wiki - http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Deputy

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Deputy

so thanks for proving me again that you aren't very smart

[Jake from State Farm]

A Deputy is a flavor name for a Backup Cop.


p.edit - if he was I don't remember him saying so

[Jake from State Farm]

I think kthx is the SK

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake:

You should PM Dunhamganger and ask if your shot would be conserved if role-blocked.

I did that very early on in the game. I am exempt from any action if I commute so I can't be RB'd, can't be killed by a strong arm killer.

[Jake from State Farm]

I think kthx is the SK

Why do you think we even have an SK?

go read day 2 and you will see how it all started, than go and see kthx's reactions to me attacking AP and specifically to some of the questions he asked.

btw, hate to be the damper on things but "technically" AP isn't cleared because he could be the GF. A GF with a cop/backup cop isn't completely out of the possibility.

[Jake from State Farm]

But a GF AND an RB? doubtful

why?

[Jake from State Farm]

But a GF AND an RB? doubtful

in 5 minutes I was able to find


http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=16769
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4110519
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3960255

That's 3 games where they had both.

p.edit - tbh I don't give a shit if I give you bad vibes nor do I give a shit if you lynch me. I will flip town and post game I will call you even more names for being a total asshat that can't tell I was so god damn obvious town. oooh I use common sense and logical thinking so I must be scum right? yeah piss off

[Jake from State Farm]

well, let's wait til post game and I know what your role and alignment actually is before we have this conversation ok? because one could say your 180 on me with that weak ass case on day 2 was also void of logic.

[Jake from State Farm]

probably a long shot but...

hypothetically a player has a 1 or 2 shot ability and said player was roleblocked while trying to use that ability, do you count the shot as being used or not used

[Jake from State Farm]

maybe you shouldn't listen to the voices in your head, they haven't been right all game

[Jake from State Farm]

or listen to yourself either.

[Jake from State Farm]

there is 50% chance you are the gf so you aren't confirmed town.

And my gut read on dave was town, I let myself be persuaded by others and once I started looking at meta it was all over. If I had stuck with my gut everything would have been ok.

besides he claimed cop and you didn't back off of him, so that just shows your reads are the suck.

as for commenting on relevant shit, now the game is back on and I know who is alive and who isn't, I can do my re-read. I don't do them during night phases.

[Jake from State Farm]

I thought zipper once kush flipped, but rereading, I see me as a more obvious choice.

there is 50% chance you are the gf so you aren't confirmed town.

Huh? Mind showing your work?

100/2=50

[Jake from State Farm]

Not sure why I quoted that other post

[Jake from State Farm]

unvote

[Jake from State Farm]

^Why?

Cause I want to re-read

[Jake from State Farm]

I want to lynch Jake for his horrific use of probability. Assuming that there is one godfather, and that mastin's one investigation returned innocent on AP - the odds of AP being GF are much lower than 50%

If I think he's scum, yet he's cleared by the cop, from my point of view he is town or GF. I'd actually say its probably 90% chance he's GF given his obviously scummy play but to be nice I lowered it to 50%

You really shouldn't talk cause you should have been auto lynched for that hammer d1

[Jake from State Farm]

Hey, kj, I don't really care if you think my reasons are shit. I think AP is scum, he's cleared by cop so to me the only option is he's actually town or GF. How I process that in my head is my own business.

@ AP - yesterday as in day 2 or yesterday as in Saturday? Idk even understand the point of the question. RE: zipper - I think he's probably scum but I'm still waiting to do my re-read

[Jake from State Farm]

I'd love to hear your case on him, besides "everyone said to shoot him"

[Jake from State Farm]

@Jake - why are you not thinking Zipper is scum?

Could you show me any scum group you believe in that lacks him?

Where did I say I don't think he is scum?

@Jake - also, why isn't AP an investigation immune SK?

I think kthx is the SK, read my posts better ok? Thanks.

[Jake from State Farm]

If you aren't going to read my posts Thor, I'm not going to answer your questions.

I've explained why Im not voting anyone.
I've explained why I think kthx is the SK.

I'm not sheeping anyone anymore

[Jake from State Farm]

You were useless day 2 so really you have no place to criticize me. I've said I need to re-read, once I'm able to do that i'll contribute.

Ive already explained why I think AP isn't the SK and why kthx probably is, Seems pretty logical that when someone says they have explained sonething you would go back and read instead of asking it again.

[Jake from State Farm]

If we lynch wrong today, town will probably lose so yeah re-reading is pretty important IMO. Especially since the "confirmed town" has led town down the wrong direction twice.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not getting wrapped up in your stupid back and forth discussions you do. I'm doing my thing, you do yours. Don't ask me any more questions as I won't respond to them.

[Jake from State Farm]

Cause Thor clogs threads with them and they rarely serve a purpose.

[Jake from State Farm]

Looking over wagons, what's the consensus on cyber? From what I can tell he's been on quite a few of them and I don't remember too many of his posts.

[Jake from State Farm]

AP - how come you have said multiple times you thought zipper was scum yet you have not voted him all game even when his wagon had grown to L-2?

To add on to that yesterday you said zipper/kush was scum and you pushed kush over zipper, you told kthx to shoot zipper last night and now the zipper wagon was growing and you still don't vote him, but as soon as I mention something about Cyber you quickly vote Cyber and give your excuse as to why you did not vote zipper was because he was already at L-2. Does the fact that one of your largest scum reads is at L-2 matter? you don't want to lynch your largest scumread?

posts where AP mention zipper in some sort of a way to imply he is scum - post 1025, 1081, 1092, 1096, 1098, 1115, 1171, 1191, 1204, 1244 (your Bullets on him yet no vote), 1248,

Vote: zipper

AP had much better reasons to vote zipper than he did for Dave or Kush yet you can't get the guy to vote for him for some reason...

[Jake from State Farm]

Btw I have no clue how many votes zipper actually has because no recent vote count by based on posts I'm assuming L-1 ish

[Jake from State Farm]

didn't you quick hammer day 2?

Hypocrite

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake. I want KJ to catch up at least and cough up a reads list. So I didn't want zipper at l- yet. And ya I counted and said hes l-2 in one of my posts last night.

I would almost believe this if you would have unvoted day 1 when the mod announced he was replacing 3 players.

[Jake from State Farm]

If you say so

[Jake from State Farm]

Ready yourselves for qwints quick hammer to end the day early.

Dave wasn't V/LA when I hammered him. I was also much more confident in my scum read of him due to his behavior when scum-slipping and his talk of counterclaims. Instead I'll sheep the guy who's virtually certain to be town.

VOTE: Cybertronix

1. kthx never accused you of being v/la so why did you think he did?
2. What does AP being virtually certain to be town have to do with anything? Being town doesn't mean his reads are right
3. You realize AP has provided much more reasons why Zipper is scum and has basically provided no reason for cyber yet votes him instead of zipper, this doesn't bother you?

[Jake from State Farm]

I still think zipper needs rope, but I am fine with a qwints lynch also.

that said, I see kj's name at the bottom, maybe we will get some useful posts from him soon.

[Jake from State Farm]

So I'm scum still cause i used flawed math? lol

I did that in Disney mafia too and nobody liked it either. You are dumb, maybe scum, but definitely dumb

[Jake from State Farm]

Had you read the posts given my role and given what I thought AP was trying to imply, my suspicion of the SK was quite valid. But whatever, I'll flip town so I'm ok being lynched. Not like town has any chance of winning this game anyway

[Jake from State Farm]

Right now, I'm mostly just trying to stay active until something jumps out at me.

horrible mentality if you are town, just horrible.

btw just so people realize if we lynch wrong today and there is only 1 death tonight, we are in lylo tomorrow

9 alive comes down to 7 alive

4:3 (assuming no SK)

actually the fact that kthx didn't kill last night helps us cause we could have easily be in mylo today.

so if we lynch wrong today and kthx is actually the vig, he better not shoot tonight at all

[Jake from State Farm]

I disagree. You should shoot. We can all come to a consensus about WHO you should shoot (probably from a pool of 2 depending on the flip today), but you should.

There is no reason not to and it proves your claim (unless you are an SK). Or you get blocked again (in which case, who cares).

Basically, if we decide in advance a pool from Kthx to shoot from based on the flip, its functionally equivalent to just lynching from that pool but with the added bonus of confirming Kthx's claim.

Facepalm

[Jake from State Farm]

Not with a town flip he can't

[Jake from State Farm]

If zipper is town I don't think kthx should shoot. If he shoots wrong (even if it's who we tell him to) it's game over

[Jake from State Farm]

Qwints/cyber/Thor.

Any of these are acceptable.

[Jake from State Farm]

* /kthx also.

Kthx, no shot again?

[Jake from State Farm]

Psychic? you probably added that in there but whatever.

vote: Qwints

Correct lynch

P.edit - I have no opinion as Ive claimed already.

[Jake from State Farm]

I agree cyber is probably not today's lynch but why could it not be a bus?

[Jake from State Farm]

Kj replaced MM right? Yeah he could be scum trying to stay off the wagon.

[Jake from State Farm]

And people critized me for voting MM, now KJ comes in and is obv scum. Kthx, think about shooting KJ tonight if he doesn't get lynched first.

[Jake from State Farm]

btw, KJ you should be voting me, not giving intent to hammer on qwints. You accused me of something you think is a legitimate scumtell and your reasons for being suspicious of Qwints weren't even remotely close to your conviction of me being scum.

truth be told, I would be fine with either Q or KL lynch

[Jake from State Farm]

Choose who's next, your top scum read

[Jake from State Farm]

but your suspicion was due to him making another bad hammer, he hammered scum so in your mind that was still a bad hammer?

[Jake from State Farm]

@ thor that is a horrible attempt at a funny name claim, you won't be getting any nominations for it mainly cause you spelt the name wrong lol

[Jake from State Farm]

dat should be the hammer.

so kthx - same thing as yesteday

townflip - no shoot
scumflip - shoot

[Jake from State Farm]

@Jake - I'm thinking Kthx right now. Do you have anything for or against a KJ lynch?

I'm thinking a Thor or kj lynch tbh

[Jake from State Farm]

Off the zipper wagon, no really a good reason why he suspected qwints wasn't very good. I was already suspicious of the slot before he replaced in. Nothing pro-town coming from that slot.

[Jake from State Farm]

because I dont put it past you to bus a scumbuddy, especially one that's easy to bus like zipper

[Jake from State Farm]

you are just another dumb VT claim. I haven't see anything from you that suggests you are town. You had no real reason why you even suspected zipper, I mean you called him town all of day 1 and than automatically the next day you pick him as the lone scum on the day 1 wagon and you just happen to be right? seems too convenient to me.

[Jake from State Farm]

btw, if we are assuming only 3 mafia and no SK, don't we NL here?

right now it's 4:2 meaning if we mislynch we die

NL means tomorrow we are probably 3:2 and we can hopefully have a better idea of figuring out who scum is.

yeah pretty sure we NL

[Jake from State Farm]

My gut says bus, zipper was obviously scummy so an easy bus target

I don't really have any solid town reads, I can make a case on each person. Kthx is the closest since we dont have any extra kills but that's not enough to confirm him.

[Jake from State Farm]

My gut says bus, zipper was obviously scummy so an easy bus target

If he was "obviously scummy" why was my vote so strange and also why didn't you vote him sooner

where did I say your vote was strange? I did question the fact why he went from your most obvious person to be killed N1 to voting him day 2 (much like AP did on me, which i still don't get how people do that. It makes no sense)

I have explained this before, just because someone is scummy doesn't mean they are scum

[Jake from State Farm]

You didn't have a good enough reason to come out of the box day 2 and vote him. Plus your comment "you know" struck me as odd. Nothing suggests you had a valid reason to suspect zipper day 2, thus it looks shady.

Why lynch kthx over KJ?

[Jake from State Farm]

I'll add cyber as a third option too

[Jake from State Farm]

Day 1 - Cybertronix, Thor665,

AngryPidgeon

, Kthxbye,

k4shmasta,

zipperflesh,

qwints)

Day 2 - kushm4sta: 6 (MaverickMaestro,

AngryPidgeo

n,

d3x

,

qwints

, Cybertronix, kthxbye)

Day 3 - zipperflesh: 5 (Thor665, Cybertronix, kthxbye, Jake from State Farm,

qwints

)

Day 4 - qwints: 4 (Jake from State Farm, kthxbye, Thor665, killerjester)

MM/KJ was off the cop wagon
but was on the speed lynch of kush day 2 (but really had voted kush early on and parked, didn't really do anything)
KJ - definitely avoided that zipper wagon, calling him null but at one point when AP made a comment about zipper, KJ replied with "or we could lynch scum"

Day 4 -on the wagon and had no real reason to be, the reason why kj was suspicious is due to qwints hammer and nothing else.

Vote: KJ

if we aren't NL, I feel best with a KJ lynch.

[Jake from State Farm]

Hmm, I guess you have a point

unvote:

[Jake from State Farm]

Just to confirm, who think we're in MyLo today?

you don't think we are in MYLO?

[Jake from State Farm]

Damn, we are in lylo. Fuck me

[Jake from State Farm]

Win or lose, KJ is the right lynch. There is nothing anyone can say positive about this slot. They have done nothing to help a town win con. If the town is slot, I'll be extremely disappointed but know its of no fault of anyone but the people who played that slot.

I'm ready to vote KJ whenever.

[Jake from State Farm]

That post sounded scummy as fuck

P. edit - was referring to kthx's last comment

[Jake from State Farm]

Well that was 2 quick votes...

[Jake from State Farm]

Win or lose, KJ is the right lynch. There is nothing anyone can say positive about this slot. They have done nothing to help a town win con. If the town is slot, I'll be extremely disappointed but know its of no fault of anyone but the people who played that slot.

How am I wrong?


Why is KJ the wrong lynch, please explain

[Jake from State Farm]

I'd rather be duped by Thor than kthx/cyber/KJ.

At least thor is a respectable player so I'm thinking about things. I'm gonna do a whole lot of re-reading before I vote. Those 2 quick votes was sort of unexpected.

[Jake from State Farm]

How is having a positive scum read on KJ scummy as fuck?

VOTE: Killerjester

the fact you were telling other people to start it off, instead of doing it yourself. just hit me as scummy.

you don't rush lylo, lylo is like good barbeque, gotta let that pig cook for a looooooooooooong time

[Jake from State Farm]

So why is your unvote necessary for others to reread? Who's really going to quickhammer me? Why would you even be upset with a quickhammer?

Very good point. Thor could have hammered, I could have hammered.

[Jake from State Farm]

Kthx, can you do your best to paraphrase how you were told your shot failed.

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh also claim how many shots you had and what you did each night

[Jake from State Farm]

Can KJ/cyber be scum together?

[Jake from State Farm]

Cyber - explain to me why KJ is scum in your opinion

[Jake from State Farm]

We are in lylo now

[Jake from State Farm]

^ good question. He specifically made a point to say he still had it. Why?

[Jake from State Farm]

Still thinking KJ is the right lynch, not done re-reading

[Jake from State Farm]

I see cyber scum also, he had no reason for his zipper vote other than sheeping

[Jake from State Farm]

So kthx, you think KJ/Thor is a team? If yes can you find any connection?

Also why were you telling me to be careful with my vote on kj, but than quickly voted yourself later

[Jake from State Farm]

My gut says we lynch cyber.

[Jake from State Farm]

man, I am so damn confused. I think I have my mind made but still simmering a bit, I really want to see what thor has to contribute.

[Jake from State Farm]

This suggests KJ is the right lynch IMO.

[Jake from State Farm]

Pushing for a lynch against someone else instead of zipper is the first clue. The lurking most of the game is the 2nd clue.

Cop/deputy/1 shot vig/1 shot commuter actually seems balanced. Most dead townies seemed to suspect that slot.

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't think I'll vote kthx today at all. It's either KJ/cyber/you

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not going to vote until cyber gets a chance to make his significant post of the day. I'm highly suspicious of him and want to see what he has to say

[Jake from State Farm]

kthx - did you get a PM from the mod at the start of each day phase?

[Jake from State Farm]

let see what kthx says first kj

[Jake from State Farm]

I didn't get a message telling me day 2 started and if you read the day 3 message it definitely implies he didn't send one day 2.

[Jake from State Farm]

Kj, your arguments about the PMs aren't going to sway me

[Jake from State Farm]

actually the popular theory is vig should never shoot night 1 so I don't really blame him for not shooting night 1. Call me dumb or naive but I think his claim makes the game balanced. cop/backup/1 shot commuter and 1 shot vig doesn't seem OPd in my mind. :shrug:

There are a log of interactions I want to look over still

[Jake from State Farm]

Good thing you pretty much ignore stuff said in lylo and look back at the body of work

[Jake from State Farm]

Actually I'm waiting to see what cyber adds.

[Jake from State Farm]

Seriously will anyone join me in a Thor lynch?

[Jake from State Farm]

Being lazy in lylo is not town motivated. It's scum licking their chops. No excuse to be lazy. Who do you want to lynch?

You arent even voting

[Jake from State Farm]

but I'm not being lazy, I have re-read the thread 4 times already. My gut still says you are scum and you being lazy doesn't help. If you are going to just sit there I may as well just roll the dice and hammer KJ and not give a shit either. Why put in all this effort if I am the only one doing it.

[Jake from State Farm]

screw it

vote: thor

if you are town here you are essentially game throwing.

[Jake from State Farm]

you haven't done anything besides post a similar vote count as I did and you reached the conclusion that kthx must be scum but you don't even really explain how your VC showed that. The VC shows KJ as scum not kthx

p.edit - I'm terrible? dude you aren't doing jack shit in lylo. I'm done wasting my time if I'm the only one. This game isn't worth my time anymore

[Jake from State Farm]

unvote

[Jake from State Farm]

Prerty Sure I've explained why kj looks bad because of the vca. Also the vca doesn't clear you, I actually think you could be scum, you want to call it whiny, poor play, or whatever you want but you are one of my top scum suspects. Nothing in what I have read shows otherwise. So don't sit there waiting being lazy cause if you admit to being lazy, you are admitting to be scum or game throwing. Either one warrants me voting you.

Your reason why kthx is the right lynch is a horrible one. Your vca doesn't help your case. My only pause about hammering kj is because maybe that's what scum Thor is hoping for. My vote today will be on Thor or cyber I think. Kj/kthx won't get my vote

[Jake from State Farm]

1412 is where I explain why I think kj is scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

1. even if 2 were on, 1 was still off, I doubt all 3 were on the wagon which would make my suspicion of KJ justified.
2. you are wrong cause you are just guessing.
3. the "or we could lynch scum" comment shows KJ pushing a mislynch hoping people won't lynch zipper
4. qwints wagon was justified 100%, the fact you disagree is laughable. His hammer of dave day 1 and his reaction/hammer of zipper looked like bussing.

your case on kthx makes sense, but I don't see who his partner would be, unless it's kthx/KJ or kthx/cyber I doubt scum kthx/cyber would be so obvious by voting how they did today.

[Jake from State Farm]

The issue with the second point from my perspective is, if he's scum (and you'll have to walk with me on this) and I know he's not my scumbuddy, why do a lylo vote off a coin flip?

It would drastically be better for him to vote the town player

. That's giving me a lot of pause.

Thor - I don't understand this

Your issue is because kj is voting kthx over someone else?

[Jake from State Farm]

In fact, why haven't you voted for me yet Thor since you claim I'm scum?

Because I'm a nervous Nellie - what of it?

I'm sure you have been in lylo before, can I get links to scum and town lylo games please

[Jake from State Farm]

t all. It would mean

If this isn't a persuasive enough evidence to lynch KJ, I don't know what is.

Jake, I asked you because one of us is going to die tonight and it's probably gonna be you since there is plenty of suspicion directed my way. I want your take at the very least before you hammer in case I'm left alive to try and figure out which scum is left between Thor and Cyber. Personally I still think it's cyber though it hasn't been as clear during this day phase. It may be because Cyber has been away and not posting....

if KJ flips scum, why would suspicion still be on you?


Thor made a good point, not a single scum was on the kthx wagon and at least 1 was on the AP wagon. Not to mention your reaction regarding my attack on AP when I thought he was the Sk definitely seemed off, I said as much at one point. I can't imagine a game where mafia, vig, and a Sk would be allowed (I guess it's possible but i remember being told once that it would be too many killings)

my gut says Kthx/KJ but looking over mastin/AP they both suspected Kthx pretty hard.

Vote: kthx

I'm sorry if I am wrong.

[Jake from State Farm]

unvote

2nd guessing myself again damn it

[Jake from State Farm]

after all my re-reading I really think you are scum, I just need to figure out if it is you and KJ or you and cyber.

the thing with KJ is I have nothing I can use to determine alignment, and this is why I hate people who lurk(and consider it a scumtell) is I can't point to anything KJ said or even MM has said prior to this day phase that makes me think he is town or scum. He is essentially null. When you look at cyber/thor cyber looks more like he was bussing zipper.

the main thing is listening to the dead, mastin and AP both thought you were scum. Your reaction to me accusing AP of being the Sk also stands out as not making sense because if you were vig I don't think you would think that this game would also have a SK.

going into last night I had you as a town read and I would definitely argue that I was more of a town read to the alive players than D3 was, him being the NK target really makes no sense.

I'm good with voting you, I just want to think about it some more. I would really love to hear from cyber and see what he has to say about everything being talked about.

[Jake from State Farm]

You act like kj is the obvious choice. Why not Thor? Why not cyber?

You are set on a kj lynch only

[Jake from State Farm]

the biggest issue I have with you today kthx is you say this

but I'm not going to vote till we get everyone discussing it and have a majority.

than 17 posts later you vote him

where was all of this discussion? where was the majority?

[Jake from State Farm]

cyber never actually discussed anything before his vote. I vote and you say "whoah slow down" but Cyber votes and you vote right away.

it doesn't add up. You didn't discuss anything nor did anyone else

[Jake from State Farm]

and like I said earlier, I would rather be duped by Thor (who's making sense) than kthx or anyone else. So if Thor is scum here and kthx is town, I will accept your chastizing but I will also point to early on when I said we should have lynched him day 1 and than again on day 2, and so on and so forth.

[Jake from State Farm]

yes you explained it, but it doesn't really make sense if you are actually town. You don't go from being cautious to reckless in less than 20 posts.

[Jake from State Farm]

kthx, you realize that cyber also thinks you can be scum (said so back when he revoted kj)

so KJ thinks you are scum
thor thinks yu are scum
cyber thinks you are scum
I think you could be scum
mastin thought you were scum
AP though you were scum.

you can't just say" oh ffs if we lose it's your fault" and expect me to change my mind.

[Jake from State Farm]

i'm torn what to do. I hate being in lylo and tbh I can't remember the last time I have ever been in this position as town. Your AtE doesn't help so please shut up

[Jake from State Farm]

Idk what you are asking me Thor.

@ kthx, your role pm says you are 1-shot vig or something else ?

[Jake from State Farm]

Kthx, when you were at L-1, do you realize every single person on your wagon was town?

Mastin/AP/qwints/kush/me

Also why with you as a PR, would you not atleast backoff Dave day 1?

[Jake from State Farm]

The problem is I can't link kj to anyone due to lack of posts. That's why I said earlier i'd gladly lynch him and not feel guilty about it. No excuse for lurking

[Jake from State Farm]

Sorry for your loss

[Jake from State Farm]

Well here goes nothing

vote: kthx

[Jake from State Farm]

unvote

Umm damn nerves

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: kthx

I suspected him the moment he replaced in, I did waffle some but yeah I'm fine with this. If I'm wrong, I'll take the blame. This wasn't my best game by a mile

[Jake from State Farm]

Kthx, you are at l-1 no l-2

[Jake from State Farm]

If you are town this "poor me" routine is bullshit

[Jake from State Farm]

Hell, even if you are scum it's bullshit. Man up

[Jake from State Farm]

Roll mechanic?

[Jake from State Farm]

Yes there is but idk how to use it

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm tired of this game too, but I still want to win

[Jake from State Farm]

well if you are legit town, I would have used your shot night 1. Had you shot qwits or even MM, I don't think we would be in this situation right now. :shrug:

your hammer on kush was also bad, it looked like you were trying to replicate what qwits did day 1. It was reckless.

just off the top of my head

[Jake from State Farm]

yes I looked through their iso, I definitely see a connection but I think I',m the only one who suspected cyber when this day started.

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake would have to be making a very large show of not voting me. He also claimed the x-shot that matches my role before I had to claim. Also, there is nothing that says mafia makeup only has one rp.

just cause I am a 1-shot commuter doesn't mean another x-shot is automatically believable. The fact you believed me so quickly because I was pushing for AP, who was town is also another strike against you imo.

p.edit - kthx was actually the person I suspected the least, which is why I am so nervous with the vote.

I will post links tomorrow maybe

[Jake from State Farm]

Wow, reading through Jake and his first 50 posts are basically just being mildly abusive and unhelpful.
To be finished later, I can only take so much smarminess when I'm not the one typing it.

u mad bro?

I always start the game abusive and unhelpful, much like I did in the game you and I played together. If anything I was far worse in that game than this one. I do it for a reason and it usually works for me. This game just didn't work out how I had planned it.

[Jake from State Farm]

I had planned on being able to catch scum on day 1, maybe not necessarily lynching but usually I am able to catch at least 1 scum on day 1.

Worked for me in Disney mafia, worked for me in Burecrat mafia

the other games I am in are ongoing so i can't comment on them.

I was more interested in pushing a thor policy lynch instead of trusting my gut.

[Jake from State Farm]

I mean, literally the first 50 posts are calling a couple people dumb and then just attacking me for being a bad player.
50 ruddy posts of that - with nothing valid as far as opinions go at all.

yep, I definitely had an issue with you and i let it cloud my judgement. My opinion of you as a player will always hold true, but I need to not let it be the basis of my attention. The best thing is probably to avoid playing with you in the future

[Jake from State Farm]

I guess Jake has to be back on the table. He's played such a solid game thus far (after the claim) that I'm having a hard time as reading him not scum. I guess I'd be an idiot to not change that view as this game progresses. Ugh! I hate this game. Nothing of what I was certain about is certain anymore...

what was so solid about my game? personally I feel like I have played like shit all game

[Jake from State Farm]

ok so in my looking over kthx/cyber this is what stands out to me.

Cyber w/ kthx

Kthx replaces in post 233, cyber doesn't mention Safety at all, nor does he mention Kthx until post 1022 which is AFTER kthx claims and his wagon is falling apart. Kthx does not show up in his iso at all until that point, and than he is so quickly convinced by AP to hop over to Kush's speed wagon

post 1301 doesn't seem to come from town imo and it isn't really true because he voted kthx as the wagon was falling apart not growing. He also hopped off too quickly for it to have been a serious vote imo

also cyber wanted to lynch kthx earlier, and even today he thinks scum is kthx/KJ but he has no issue with kthx hopping on right after he voted KJ, he doesn't even seem to find it odd in the least.

Safety/Kthx w/cyber

Post 35/43 from Safety strikes me as odd reaction to AP calling cyber scum. Seemed to interested in AP mentioning if it was a scumslip or not.

post 271 - Kthx is actually saying he think's dave's triple post is scummier than an actual case made by D3 on Cyber

post 932 seems like kthx trying to discredit D3

post 1391 - he actually floated the idea that the D3 kill was a wifom setup to frame cyber.


All of this gives me reason to think kthx/cyber scum team. I still feel better lynching Cyber over Kthx, but I don't see anyone else joining me so I will stick with my kthx vote

p.edit - yes I am fine with Cyber voting you, though I suspect he won't since he is your partner

[Jake from State Farm]

More stuff that bugs me about Kthx

Kthx votes Dave - because the triple post was the scummiest thing he had seen, despite D3 making a case on cyber (this was an L-2 vote btw)

post 689 is condemning because as a vig, there is no way town vig makes this post. A vig would not accuse someone else of knowing another NK should have happened, unless Kthx already knew he was responsible for one.

post 1030 - out of the blue hammer's kush for no reason, basically does what Qwints did, despite the fact that he was pushing for a qwints lynch earlier in the day for his hammer. (hypocrite?)

His vote on Zipper seems odd also since right before that he makes a post talking about how zipper's last 3 posts "bother him the most" but all 3 of those posts zipper mentions he would vote qwints (who Kthx is also gunning for) so why did those 3 posts bother him if he's agreeing with Kthx

[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah I was mad because of vanger, I admit it.

[Jake from State Farm]

I see less connecting cyber/kj than I see kthx

If you are worried about a wrongful hammer I can easily

unvote

Though I'm probably only voting kthx or cyber

[Jake from State Farm]

Zomg, Thor, there's hope for us yet.

Instead of sitting back, why don't you show me who kj's partner is. Also why is kj scum. I can't recall a case from you (unless I missed it)

Or defend yourself from my recent posts. Right now you look like scum sitting back praying Thor doesn't hammer you

[Jake from State Farm]

oh so now you want to not be lazy?

well have fun reading my incredibly horrible iso, it doesn't change the fact that I am actually town. oh and I didn't "vaguely suggest" we not lynch dave, I actually came out and said that we shouldn't.

[Jake from State Farm]

yes I thought he was scum, but you don't lynch a claimed PR on day 1 ever. It's my personal philosophy and tbh it should be everyone's. If he is telling the truth, why do scum a favor? if he is lying, he will surely get caught eventually.

[Jake from State Farm]

But yo couldn't quicklynch until your partner was online. I implied intent to vote kj and immediately after cyber votes, you vote giving me the hammer. You lost your "cautious townie" cred the moment you voted so quickly

[Jake from State Farm]

Well not sure if klick realizes it but he just scum slipped, so kthx/klick like I thought. Sweet

[Jake from State Farm]

I still want to see what he has to say for the lulz

[Jake from State Farm]

You never even mentioned who you thought was the partner so why would you assume that? The tell I'm using I've seen half a dozen times and never had it been town who did it. Mastin sort of touched on it after he replaced in, it's what he says he does as scum when replacing in.

[Jake from State Farm]

basically it's the fact that you came in with pre-determined reads instead of coming in fresh. If you came in fresh you would not automatically have the exact same read as the person you replaced. I have literally seen this half a dozen times and each time it was scum.

I don't buy for a second that you were reading this game and your pandering to Thor just makes you even worse. Why does it matter if Thor thinks I could not be clear? why does his read affect yours?

yeah you are scum

I'm the most clear out of everyone lolU

[Jake from State Farm]

Ok I'll shut up.

vote: klick

Like I said, it's a tell I've never see from town so if I'm wrong, oh well

[Jake from State Farm]

Damn I love being right

[Jake from State Farm]

And kthx is scum

GG

[Jake from State Farm]

Meh, I'd rather be dead. This game is boring and now I would have to re-evaluate and look to see if kj/klick would be possible

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm back to null on each slot, I also get to say HA HA to Thor while he was reading my obv town iso. I was catching scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't read at night in case I die its wasted. If I'm alive tomorrow it won't be quick

[Jake from State Farm]

Fuck you whoever you are. I wanted to die

[Jake from State Farm]

Yes, commuter can't be targeted by anyone if chosen to commute. But I did ask and was specifically told I can't be RBd

[Jake from State Farm]

Every essence of my body wants to lynch you right now but im not sold on kj being town either.


I'm busy today and will be gone all day tomorrow tailgating/attending the redskins game. Sometime I will look for connections.

[Jake from State Farm]

Ravens can win too, I don't hate them

[Jake from State Farm]

2 AFC teams can play in the SB? That's news to me

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh for the SB spot, my bad

[Jake from State Farm]

Ok before I hammer, show me something that connects the other to either zipper or cyber (or both)

Point out the post that you feel is the scummiest post from the person you are voting.

I'm pretty sure I know who scum is but I want to look up something tonight and I want you both to post something other than "Poe" nonsense.

[Jake from State Farm]

@ kthx, why does that post where he looks at other games incriminate kj? When I get to a computer I'm going to do my own research.

[Jake from State Farm]

But I'm going to do essentially the same thing...

I'm having trouble finding anything redeeming about your play kthx.

[Jake from State Farm]

Have either of you played in a lylo game before?

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm invoking the spirit of Rudy!!! Go ND

[Jake from State Farm]

I think I have my mind made up, gonna sleep on it so if anyone has anything they want to add now is the time.

[Jake from State Farm]

each of you provide a good reason why I should hammer you

[Jake from State Farm]

that should have said,

each of you have just provided a good reason why I should hammer you

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: kthx

Sorry if I am wrong,

[Jake from State Farm]

Please tell me you aren't trolling right now

[Jake from State Farm]

I've seen it.

GG everyone

[Jake from State Farm]

I feel much better now.

[Jake from State Farm]

They are a bitch

[Jake from State Farm]

lol true dat

I think I like playing with klick though, he's easy to read

[Jake from State Farm]

I love the use of commuter, such a rare role for town. Good game everyone

[Jake from State Farm]

You seen lots?

P. edit - your 180 on me plus the "suprised you are alive, more later" comment. That comment with me commuting n1, made me think you tried to kill me

[Jake from State Farm]

After searching I saw something somewhere that left the keeping of the shot using natural action resolution up to the mod, which means its allowed sometimes and you being a wildcard I didn't know how you would do it.

Once I saw the kthx/cyber connection I knew I was right. Not being killed threw me.

[Jake from State Farm]

@Cyber - He did implode oddly, I'll agree.
You were probably dead regardless though.

No because you were dead set against a cyber lynch. You said at one point that a swing to cyber probably wasn't going to happen.

[Jake from State Farm]

@Cyber - He did implode oddly, I'll agree.
You were probably dead regardless though.

You said at one point that a swing to cyber probably wasn't going to happen.

There is no Cyber shift possible (or even likely for a week).

I love when mine serves me correct also.

[Jake from State Farm]

GG everyone

Followed this quite closely - nervewracking!

What I don't get is - why did nobody believe i was a cop? Or why did nobody except Jake back off when I claimed? I was looking forward to collecting a couple of nights results before I flipped although I guess without a doc I'd have been dead night 1 anyway...

Because people don't know how to play properly duh

[Jake from State Farm]

what surprised me is that scum thought I had a commute left lol