Mini 1454 - GAME OVER

[GuyInFreezer]

@Juan: what do you think of bubba?

@NS: where did that notscience came from?

-G

[GuyInFreezer]

@NS

Re: Juan - I got a townvibe from him based on the early interaction I and juan had.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh ok. I must've missed it then.

[GuyInFreezer]

so I have to post in this account? D:

[GuyInFreezer]

Am I mistaken or are you just fencesitting all around the place?

He's defending his buddy... Ever since I brought it up, all he had done is tied himself to Amrun even more, had her pretending to shake him off and then basically stated that there's nothing wrong with defending (or in this case, sheeping) his townread.

I don't remember you having fuzzy as your scumread?

Ok, looking back I feel like notscience/AJ/Juan are scum. Feel the most confident about AJ and JuanJuan.

So except for that "awkward" vote, what's your reason on Juan-scum again?

Not useful =/= scum.

I am living proof of this.

That's not something to be proud of

Also I have never seen NS hammer without claim and that worries me.

I have; you may have to go back a bit. Or check my alt, SV.

Links plz.

Meh, I ignore going after him because I find him town. If I see a slip I'll let you know, but getting to one-

At the moment, I'm voting AJ because he OMGUS'd on Amrun.

That NS lynch is meh, I looked at his meta. Not too much traction. Kthx, why the need to park your vote there instead of scumhunting? I'll say the same to jon, but I already have a feeling he's scum.

I can get behind an Amrun lynch if the other option is a NL, otherwise I'd rather not.

Why do you think that NL is an option?

I was referring to Notscience's comment for voting for AJ.

also

VOTE: Notscience

A+ vote.

Hmmm..I'm thinking the bubba vs amrun might be tvt now.

I've been thinking that for quite a while.

@bubba - be honest with me. Are you calling Amrun scum because she's hurting your pride or do you genuinely think she's scum?

[GuyInFreezer]

Scum could've targeted the same target. Or a doc save.

Pushing kthx for "quick hammer" is terrible cos its clearly an accidental hammer.

That said,

VOTE: notscience

P-edit
Ninjas D:

[GuyInFreezer]

His terrible d1 play and he hasn't done any better.

I have an another suspect and now that my Internet is stable I wanna have a little chat with him.

[GuyInFreezer]

His terrible d1 play and he hasn't done any better.

I have an another suspect and now that my Internet is stable I wanna have a little chat with him.

[GuyInFreezer]

His terrible d1 play and he hasn't done any better.

I have an another suspect and now that my Internet is stable I wanna have a little chat with him.

Why does "terrible play" indicate scum?

Because of the tone. I use that a lot when I read newbs.

[GuyInFreezer]

If I could describe it, I would've done it already. I firmly stand by my read because my reads on newbs using this were almost always right.

[GuyInFreezer]

I used "almost" because I got it wrong on my first attempt.
Rest of the games I read them correctly.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also your passive-as-fuck play doesn't help your case either.

[GuyInFreezer]

Erm I never meant it to be out-of-date?
I blame my English for that.

Anyway you want proof?

What you just did is one of the proof.

You had no objection me voting you until amrun questioned my vote on you.

[GuyInFreezer]

You never questioned my vote. All you did was "hey vote other ppl."

[GuyInFreezer]

So my point: you're not objecting. You're just passing it off.

[GuyInFreezer]

What do you mean by "re-evaluate?"

[GuyInFreezer]

I explained your "misrep" accusation so you explain mine now.
All I said was that I couldn't explain the tone. I don't remember saying that I can't explain my scumread on you.

[GuyInFreezer]

His terrible d1 play and he hasn't done any better.

I have an another suspect and now that my Internet is stable I wanna have a little chat with him.

Why does "terrible play" indicate scum?

Because of the tone. I use that a lot when I read newbs.

And you haven't re-evaluated at all? Which things indicated a tone you find scummy?

What do you mean by "re-evaluate?"

[GuyInFreezer]

ugh you're asking for a case on him, aren't you?

[GuyInFreezer]

Candy!

Anyway case tomorrow.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also you can't expect me to "evolve" my read on notscience when he's doing the same thing over and over.

[GuyInFreezer]

And after that, we can talk about lot of things.

[GuyInFreezer]

Where have you been Yeong?

Lawyer problem. I've been busy cos of it lately. I'll do something when the situation gets resolved.

@kthx: bubba is town. I promise.

[GuyInFreezer]

Says the voteparker. Defend your scumbuddy more please.

I will string you up by the end of this day and that's a fucking promise. Just you wait.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm not posting the whole case at once, but I'll be posting them piece by piece whenever I have a time. You might see the part where you could say "wtf that really doesn't tell me anything," but bear with me, I promise it'll be useful later.

Are you pushing a policy lynch? Reals?

.-. policy lynch?

If thats eliminate a nuisance so they can stop fogging up my reads then yes. I find said nuisances antitown, so unless someone trips my scumdar I stay here.

First of all, nice excuse to go for a easy lynch, called off by me in D1!

Part 1 : Self-Meta - For Realz?

It's a counter wagon to the scum-not wagon...not rocket surgery.

Protecting your scummate?

you've used this one already.

And your point is? If it appears as such, I'm calling it as such.

If I were scumbuddies with Jon, now would be the perfect time to bus the shit out of him vice 'protect' him. That said, you already know we aren't scum since we aren't scum with you. At any rate, when was the last game you played where scum protected their scumbuddy on d1 as you rare claiming I am doing. If anything, I would expect a white knighting suspicion over a protecting a scum buddy accusation. Of course, you can't do that and continue to have your vote on the only wagon that could save you today. This is part of why I'm sure your scum.

The other part is how once you appeared to be the lynch, you became very uninvolved except to bitch about being lynched. Votes come off you and you start trying again. This behavior is indicative of a scum reaction more than a town reaction to being at L-1 on D1.

I've already explained my behaviour. I have become a huge Day 1 target in most of my games so far. It gets old fast. I was kinda fed up with it all.

I'm honestly terrible under any pressure no matter the role. Bitching is not a scumtell for me, I tend to do it no matter my side. :L

Can he prove this?

AIF,

I can provide a link to a town game. None of my other games have finished, otherwise I'd provide them as well.

I'll probably make a list of them in my sig, I'll link the game in a few however.

Not really.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=26882

I am extremely bad under pressure.

So trying to defend himself with self-meta with... only one game? Cool, bro. You must've been desparate.

Part 2 : Bluffing, Deflecting, and Mudslinging

Yaaaay, L-1 again! Love you all so much.

This is bluffing. He's not even analyzing his wagon, but just brush it off with "omg L-1 again yay"

Place your bets on who jon parks a vote on next guys! Rest assured, he's the best parker in the business. I see Hoopla's points about the wagon, particularly those who started it and JKM (part of what was in JKMs was something I had speculated about myself a few pages back).

I don't like the end to 337. It feels more like someone nervous they trodded on the wrong foot. Not to mention, it's INCREDIBLY fence-sitty. "kinda looked" "somehow missed" all come across poorly IMO.

VOTE: jon

It's not the post itself that's scummy, but the timing of this post is. When he posted this, jon was freshly under suspicion.

It's a counter wagon to the scum-not wagon...not rocket surgery.

Protecting your scummate?

Mudslinging. 'nuff said.

Marc can you actually provide some decent scumhunting please, rather than grasping for straws?

Discrediting. I'm gonna come back on this on the later part.

Says the voteparker. Defend your scumbuddy more please.

Another mudsliging! Why don't you vote me, then?

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm interested in your Town reads ATM.

Right now, my (strong) townreads are:
bubba, kthx, Amrun.

[GuyInFreezer]

He can park his vote on me all day.

Today will be the last day I "park" my vote on you.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm leaning Town on you, and think we can get a strong Town Bloc going if we play our cards right.

But the problem is I don't have a townread on you.

I'm seeing the similar traits that I saw in my first game (e.g. "Meat World" excuse, lot of "lemme ISO this guy" post). Sadly, I haven't gotten much time to dig into your meta, so I'm not making this definitive.

Also, you did flip-flopped quite a lot D1.

[GuyInFreezer]

oh oh oh oh ooh look at this too.

The gist of the above post

"GIF and KTB are my scumbuddies, notscience is the mislynch we want to push, GIF and myself will be on it and KTB won't."

And who is he voting? Bubba!

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm still thinking about that, actually. There's a good possibility of bus going on since we're pretty deep in the game right now.
I hope I figure out which after I talk with him.

[GuyInFreezer]

So GIF, you want another example? I have two games finished thus far, if you're going to call me out because I provided only what i was allowed to provide, your case is more pathetic than I thought.

My point was that you used (only) self-meta as a defense against your wagon.

Why am I not voting you? Because I'm voting your scumbuddy.

Essentially, you're using a bullshit case to try and votepark. Good to know, I'll come back to you once I remove your scumbuddy.

It's not really a votepark if I'm going for your throat, bby.

Let's look at GIF's and Bubba's townreads everyone, as stated this page!

Bubba: GIF and KTB

GIF:Bubba, Amrun, and KTB

Tell me, doesn't that seem awful convenient?

Let's look at notscience's and Amrun's townreads everyone, as stated this page!

notscience: Amrun and some ppl

Amrun: notscience, and some ppl

Tell me, doesn't that seem awful convenient?

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF, wasn't Juan a strong town for you for a while? Did that change?

Townread didn't change. It's just not as strong as before. His posts didn't really stand out.

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF, you're voteparking and trying to pass it off as scumhunting. Please, try harder to be more scummy.

That all you have to say?

[GuyInFreezer]

Who is this "you"? Your pronouns are bouncing everywhere.

[GuyInFreezer]

It's not misrepping, but rather sarcastic comment of his logic (see the ) ?
Remember that I have you as strong town

[GuyInFreezer]

And yes, I realized the pronoun issue.

[GuyInFreezer]

Amrun: notscience,

and some ppl

Also this implies that I'm aware of you having more townreads other than notscience.

So... read more carefully!

[GuyInFreezer]

I was indirectly calling his logic terrible by using the same logic to present something incredibly stupid.

[GuyInFreezer]

Town: KTB, NS, Amrun

Null: Jon, GIF

Varying degrees of scum: bubba, notscience, Juan

So what do you think of bubba/not interaction?

@not: read the part 2 of my case and you'll see that I have mentioned discrediting and said will go deep on that later.

Also your only defense has been accusing me of vote parking and not scumhunting and say that you're a easy lynch. What you're missing is that there's such thing as "easy scum lynch" just calling yourself an easy lynch won't cut it.

Also your accusation of me only providing stuff when attacked us a lie. Go read back my d1 and onward.

[GuyInFreezer]

Is a lie*

[GuyInFreezer]

What you're doing is no newb mistake. It's a scummove.

[GuyInFreezer]

Lol

[GuyInFreezer]

He doesn't want to claim.
Somebody hammer already.

[GuyInFreezer]

So, people trying to force people to out their roles prematurely is not scummy in your eyes GIF, yet playstyle is. Good to know.

I am a broken record, because it's true. Scum want to push mislynches. And you're letting them. What about the fact he's trying to make me claim prematurely?

Why are you appealing to me? Don't you think I'm scum?

[GuyInFreezer]

oh I thought bubba stated intent to hammer.

And I was like "wut he's calling bubba's hammercall fake?"

[GuyInFreezer]

Are you calling your lynch a PL now?

[GuyInFreezer]

You have a fucking case in front of you, people put down a REASON to decide to lynch you.
And yet you still call it a PL?

[GuyInFreezer]

Never said it did.

[GuyInFreezer]

*slams desk with both hands*

I

F***ING

GOT

YOU

NOW

Spoiler: Decisive Evidence

Claim: Even-Night Tracker

YOU VISITED

NO ONE

AT NIGHT 2

[GuyInFreezer]

If you were real JK, you wouldn't lie about your target, so..
somebody hammer thnx.

[GuyInFreezer]

Ooh I'm not dead.

Also considering the fact that amrun, who could easily be under fire today, was killed instead of me heavily point towards to the possibilitt of scum rolecop.

[GuyInFreezer]

Eh?
I don't know what you're trying to do here
But I visited not n2.

[GuyInFreezer]

But then, saying stuff like that while you could've just easily nk me indicates that you're town.

[GuyInFreezer]

is there an any reason that you're ignoring the report contradiction?

[GuyInFreezer]

I say that I visited not n2, while Jon says I visited someone else.

[GuyInFreezer]

Locking until I have time to deal with an issue. The game will most likely continue in a few hours.

JuanJuan is being force-replaced for continuing to talk about ongoing games despite past warnings not to do so in relations to this game. Thread unlocked.

The thing is, that the thread was never locked.

[GuyInFreezer]

GiF, why aren't you voting jon right now? He's claiming you are lying about your PR. Granted, he did it in a way that is very very weird, but he's still saying you lied and are now busted (again, in a round about manner). I honestly can't figure out why the 2 of you aren't voting each other.

Because I want to hear what he has to say first. I do realize that he is NOT voting me, and I have no clue what he's up to. Plus, his 1044 feels town rather than scum fucking up big time.

[GuyInFreezer]

What I mean by "what he has to say", I mean his report.

[GuyInFreezer]

the last remaining scum

Also I've been seeing this quite a lot: Why do you think that this game have only 2 scums?

[GuyInFreezer]

I doubt that this game has 2 scums, though. 2 doctors and more PR(s) heavily lean towards 3 mafias even with the presence of SK.

[GuyInFreezer]

There's actually one scenario that both of us are NOT lying and imo has a good probablity. I'm waiting for Jon's report to see if what I'm thinking is out of the question.

[GuyInFreezer]

Kthx my point is that be careful tomorrow if we happen to mislynch today.
Going tomorrow thinking of LyLo and going tomorrow with 1 mislynch left makes a big fucking difference.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also MM2 you're claiming too since you "softed" a pr too.

[GuyInFreezer]

Fjqkdkclqjdifiajfdjd
Ugh fine

I'm actually full tracker.
As bubba said (he knows me too well) I was trying to avoid nk and get extra info.
I was gonna out my real role at the start of the day if I wasn't roleblocked last night.
Instead, I was just gonna hint it at the end of the day. (The presence of roleblocker and kthx no visit n1)

N1 I visited kthx because I thought not-scum won't probably make a kill so I rolled the dice wishing for lucky report (but no visit)
N2 not and no visit.
N3 I tried to track mm2 but no result.

[GuyInFreezer]

Never said it will clear him. My townread on him is solely on his play.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh wait he's voting for me.

Yeah, he can die.

(Just in case, this isn't serious and I'd still be in favour of not making him claim, at least until I get the chance to read him)

Also, sorry for the quadruple post.

I've heard of "Watching your back" being "scummy" but I've done it countless times as town. And if my memory serves me right whoever said that was scum I believe...

Towncred. Nonetheless

What are you talking about here?

[GuyInFreezer]

Can I ask what's the case on Juan/DV?
The only thing I have is that not tried to use Juan as scapegoat for fake claim...

[GuyInFreezer]

HOLY SHIT
I FINALLY GOT IT

[GuyInFreezer]

JK.

N1 I was on AJ, which is why I joined his wagon early.

Last night I was on Juan.

He said he jailed AJ N1.
MM2's PR "softclaim" with "hinting" that AJ was jailed N1.

Also he used Juan as scapegoat

HOW DID I MISS SOMETHING THAT IS THIS OBVIOUS

I FOUND SCUM ROLEBLOCKER

VOTE: MM2

[GuyInFreezer]

DV goes next

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't have anything to back him up. If he commuted N3, maaybe. But N2, no.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I don't really believe MM2's claim because I think that both not and MM2 considered Aj being jailkept without even thinking about the possibility of doc save is more than a mere coincidence.

[GuyInFreezer]

Commuter makes himself untargetable at night.

[GuyInFreezer]

1) He didn't.
2) I once got almost lynched for not commuting N1 as commuter -.-

[GuyInFreezer]

Because of the roleblocker.

[GuyInFreezer]

I was gonna out at te start of the day with surprise report if I got a report n3, but I was roleblocked.
Since I didn't have the extra report that I was supposed to have, I didn't even bother.

[GuyInFreezer]

Why not out the N1 report though?

I already did :<

[GuyInFreezer]

No result.

[GuyInFreezer]

That's why I want mm2 dead. He was crumbing JK and he claimed commuter after I mentioned scum roleblocker.

Also wtf
The fuck is this?
EM sandbox?

[GuyInFreezer]

It makes perfect fucking sense now.
Me - tracker
Jon - watcher
KTB - Gallis (hated)
MM2 - hooker (scum rb)
DV - Stalker (scum rolecop)
NS - LM (loudmouth. Oh the irony)
Bubba - Fool(jester)

[GuyInFreezer]

When I saw nurse flip, I was like "damn we have some good PRs."
After Jon claimed watcher, I was like "wait watcher too? wat kind of PR(s) does scumteam have????"
And now it's just plain ridiculous.

[GuyInFreezer]

If you didn't realize that it was a joke, then

whydoyoueventry

you are no better.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm gonna wifom and track randomly. Jon watch either me or bubba. Bubba can check whoever he wants.

[GuyInFreezer]

Gif if you seriously think I'm jester then you are not as good as I thought.

Actually I think you're jester now.
Gee I must be suck at mafia.

[GuyInFreezer]

This guy is roleblocked.

[GuyInFreezer]

Gif, who did you target?

I tried to check either bubba or DV, but ultimately DV.

[GuyInFreezer]

nope.

I was very tempted to track you instead, because I thought you were fakeclaiming.
In the end, it really didn't matter.

[GuyInFreezer]

btw the hammer is mine.

[GuyInFreezer]

I can't vote tag with my phone. (Or any tags at all.)

[GuyInFreezer]

My phone doesn't have the square bracket thingy.

[GuyInFreezer]

So if you think bubba is scum (which I doubt), what do you think of NS showing no resistance?

[GuyInFreezer]

Yes.
I still think you're scum.

[GuyInFreezer]

First of all, I'm a tracker, not watcher.
Also, we already had JoaT, commuter, nurse, and doctor confirmed and those alone are already ridiculous.
I find bubba town based on his D1 impression and stubbornness.

[GuyInFreezer]

My point is that since we already have too many PRs, having shit loads of PRs are not feeling abnormal for me.
I just hope that we're lynching a roleblocker today.

Any more comments before I hammer?

[GuyInFreezer]

I would prefer you not to, as I feel that bubba + kthx is a plausible scumteam.

And I do not see you voting.

[GuyInFreezer]

I would prefer you not to, as I feel that bubba + kthx is a plausible scumteam.

IIRC, bubba was on ktb for a while, even with his innocent result on him. How are they scum together?

[GuyInFreezer]

or

game over.

[GuyInFreezer]

or

game over.

I said if NS flips town....

As I said, there's a high chance that there are 3 scumz total, excluding SK.

[GuyInFreezer]

Let me clarify re: too many roles.
I personally think that the setup has too many PRs on purpose to discourage setup spec. (wifom,etc)
Hell, doc+nurse+commuter+JoaT is already too many.

[GuyInFreezer]

Well nothing significant happened since last time i tried to hammer.
Dropping the hammer that should've been dropped long time ago now.

VOTE: NS

[GuyInFreezer]

Inb4 bubba/DV scum and I got fucking played.

[GuyInFreezer]

If there's 4 scums, the game would've been over day 4

[GuyInFreezer]

Bye
VOTE: DV

[GuyInFreezer]

DV.
It's painfully obvious what my report is.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also I didn't get roleblocked.

[GuyInFreezer]

My guess is that rb can't rb and kill at the same time.

[GuyInFreezer]

Hmm
Then I don't know why I wasn't roleblocked.

[GuyInFreezer]

@mod: does last scum pr get both nightkill and PR action?

[GuyInFreezer]

Considering that I wanted to hide the full night part as long as I could, and the awkwardness of Jon's post (which looked like it could be a reaction test, considering how awkward and indirect it looked), but also with the mentality that I was indeed hiding information(which is why I didn't insta-voted him and went for his throat), I held until Jon outed his report, because I didn't wanted to give out my full claim for some petty reaction test.

[GuyInFreezer]

If I was 100% convinced that he was a PR, I would've asked him to claim already.

[GuyInFreezer]

(which looked like it could be a reaction test, considering how awkward and indirect it looked)

At that time, I was thinking that if he was a PR, he would've directly outed his report.
As I said, I wanted to hide the full night part of my role as long as possible (that longest being the end of day), so I didn't wanted to chance me outing my full claim for what it could be a reaction test.

[GuyInFreezer]

waiting for direct report != waiting for fullclaim

If you read my posts, you will know that I was gonna hint it at the end of D3, not actually claim it.

[GuyInFreezer]

Good choice.

[GuyInFreezer]

GiF, you saying you are what you claim then?

Yes.

[GuyInFreezer]

I wanted to stab myself multiple times and just quit when Jon said "I know you visited someone else"
After that, I just went all "balls of steel" mode.

[GuyInFreezer]

The only option i had was to do something unexpectedly crazy until town believes that my actions are too crazy to be scum ;-;

[GuyInFreezer]

I started to fuck up hard the day I expected doc/nurse were good enough and claimed tracker.

[GuyInFreezer]

And then a fucking watcher claim.
Managed to pull up bullshit logic to get Marc lynched. (I wanted him dead before he brings up newb 1339, which I pulled the same thing off)
Since I thought Jon "claimed" watcher, I srsly thought Marc commuted n3 instead of n2
And then bubba claims cop and suspects his inno so I thought he was fake

I was literally like "fuck I'm sooooooo screwed" so I lurked until bubba posts result (and prayed that he didn't get inno)

Ugh the hell I've been through after the fail setup spec

[GuyInFreezer]

That'll teach you not to assume.

Amen

[GuyInFreezer]

Meh
They probably were going
"OMG GIF IS OBVSCUM WHY YOU NO LYNCH HIM DEAD ALREADY"

[GuyInFreezer]

Why did you make that assumption, by the way?

You thought a Doc and Nurse balanced out an SK and a 3-man scum team with a rolecop? Huh? That setup spec was one thing that confused me a lot.

I don't know either.

[GuyInFreezer]

:3

I'm reading dead QT in this game again just for fun!