Mini 1452 - Inevitable Mafia (Game Over)

[ThAdmiral]

yep

[ThAdmiral]

Maybe they had something to go on?

And what would that be? Unless they are masons together I can't see how gorkcat would know radiant is town.

What if he is scum? This option would be obvious to anyone who isn't scum.

vote: dcl

Apart from the above I don't like the way you are trying to manipulate rob in to voting for tmt.

[ThAdmiral]

And what would that be? Unless they are masons together I can't see how gorkcat would know radiant is town.

I find it interesting that the first thing that comes to mind here for you is that Gorkcat could be mason and not that he could be scum; almost as if you already know he's not scum?

Ohai. we think alike. Lets be town together.

[ThAdmiral]

Apart from the above I don't like the way you are trying to manipulate rob in to voting for tmt.

This kind of voices the reason behind the vague unease I've had over DCL's posts that I couldn't put my finger on. Do you think this is scummy, ThAd, or just someone arguing their viewpoint? I'm not entirely convinced on the answer to that question yet, so I still prefer my JMO vote.

I think it was particularly scummy that he was doing it before he had even voted tmt himself (he only voted after hassling you for a couple of posts). Furthermore he is using faulty logic - you are voting someone because of cognitive dissonance (which is a good tell btw), and he is trying to pigeonhole you into admitting "yes I found tmt scummy, so I must vote him over anyone else".
I'm not sure whether his angle is to protect jmo or attack tmt but either way something about it is off.

Apart from the above I don't like the way you are trying to manipulate rob in to voting for tmt.

What makes you think this is manipulation and not just not properly comprehending Rob's argument?

Because he's not saying "I disagree with you" or asking him to clarify, he's saying "here's why you should be voting tmt based on your own logic", meanwhile the "logic" he is using is a twisted interpretation of what rob said.

[ThAdmiral]

I like top of each page personally.

[ThAdmiral]

I think we should get DCLXVI up to L-1.

But that's just me.

Personally I'd prefer lynch -0.

[ThAdmiral]

There is one person who can confirm you're a mason, and I want their name.

If you're a mason, there's no reason NOT to give the name, because having two masons out is no worse than having one mason out, because one dead mason means the other is essentially a VT. It just gives us a confirmed townie after one of you die.

If you're scum claiming mason, you either have to give us a scum-partner (which would be very beneficial to town in the later game, as any one who vouches for a lying mason that's found to be lying later is also scum) OR you have to give up the game if you don't want to hand us your scum-partner on a silver platter.

So there's no reason for you not to name the other mason. Go for it.

No rob.

unvote

One mason is already out. If DCL isn't scum, then the mason team can already be "taken out" by killing the one mason already revealed. What good is a single mason? They're just a VT.

Give me one good reason NOT to reveal the other "mason," especially when you consider that if DCL is scum, he'd be forced into a position to be lynched or hand us a scum-partner as his "mason-buddy" to keep alive.

Because if the masons aren't idiots they will crumb each others names SUBTLY and when the other mason/s chooses to claim later in the game it will be verifiable.


Will have to reread to see who I think is scum now.

[ThAdmiral]

pls unvote dcl.

Actually, do whatever. If someone is bold enough to hammer him, and he is indeed mason - they will go down tomorrow.

[ThAdmiral]

I still think DCL should reveal the name of his partner. No down side if he's town, major up side if he's scum. Right now, I'm focusing on Radiant atm, though.

What do you mean "no down side if he's town"?

Why don't we all just mass claim then?

[ThAdmiral]

DCL, if he's a town mason, is dead tonight or possibly the next night, agreed?

Alright, if we accept that, then his partner is just a VT. I'd rather that VT turn into a 100% no WIFOM confirmed townie - an innocent child, if you will - upon DCL's death and flip.

So no, I see no downside in this specific situation.

Do you know what breadcrumbing is?

1) Makes it easier for scum to try to weed out other power roles early. Scum can get a mason N1 if they want either way at this point, but if they want to get a stronger PR, not having the second mason claim results in there being a chance that they would still hit a mason.

2) Makes it easier for scum to target masons once masons become a threat. Masons are stronger as the game progresses, because conftown becomes scarier when there are fewer players; scum have fewer players to set up mislynches against. Thus, at a certain point scum do want masons gone, and having the second mason known makes it more likely for this to occur should they not accidentally hit him early.

Tl;dr giving scum more control over when they get the masons killed is bad.

This basically.

But regardless of all of this, we have to lynch dcl today, no matter what. There is no real way around it.

Yes there is, what are you fucking talking about?!?

We are not

Lynching

A claimed Mason today.

My god, thank you.

DCL, if you don't claim a partner, you will get lynched today.

No he won't. Sadly for you there are too many people that aren't going full retard in this game for that to happen.

Qould scum be so bold as to so openly ask for dcl to claim his partner? That sounds like a wifom trap I don't want to get in to.

vote: cooldog

[ThAdmiral]

I'll have a look

[ThAdmiral]

Like the guy's vote has been on DCL because DCL was subtly pushing a lynch on TMT, even though DCL is very clearly claiming TMT is scummy and voting him.

This is actually slightly misrepresentative.
He voted dcl in the rvs stage and never moved his vote off. In fact he seemed unsure of the case on dcl and it was his interpretation of other peoples arguments that dcl was subtly pushing him, rather than his own case.
He seems a bit lurky, a bit inexperienced. Not lynch worthy yet for me.

[ThAdmiral]

I figure I'll just selfvote this, because there is no coherent argument that I am scum yet four idiots are on my wagon.

I have no desire to play with a town this bad, so I'll just lynch myself to confirm myself and leave you guys with strategy.

If we have anyone else with vig powers, shoot DCLXVI tonight. He's scum.

Lynch DCL if he's not already dead, then kill Rob.


Feel free to do whatever you guys want following that.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Don't be an idiot.

I mean if you really don't care just vote who I am telling you to vote - cooldog.
do it.

[ThAdmiral]

as dcl said claim is barely believable, but provable so radiant lives for now.

Rofl why ask for mason claim? I actually don't know what game some of you are playing.

Cooldog lynch is good. I've recently been having second thoughts on rob - my gut is telling me he's scum.

[ThAdmiral]

agreed: waiting for cooldog

[ThAdmiral]

Rob: dude, stop throwing your vote around like an idiot

[ThAdmiral]

Wait who is hoopla replacing?

[ThAdmiral]

Hoopla, why do you think Cooldog is town, and why do you think TMT is scum?

My cooldog read mostly stems from my town read on DCL. His over-the-top bullying of DCL, wanting him lynched and to claim his partner etc. seems way too out there for cooldog as scum. If he's scum, he knows DCL is true, and I expect him to be a little more subdued and take a more nuanced stance. He's not dumb - he knows how it would look if he got DCL-mason lynched on D1.

He could be playing one level above that, trying to play on meta that it would be too obvious to do that as scum, but that requires sitting back and analysing the situation and then faking that reaction. A much more instinctive reaction as scum is a nuanced/reasoned response, rather than going gung-ho at a mason. I think if Cooldog-scum was going to take an overt stance on the issue as scum, I think it's likelier he'd go in the other direction and clear him fully, rather than attacking him.

you might be right. at the same time, it genuinely looked like dcl may still have been getting lynched after the mason claim, and once cooldog committed to it, it may have seemed the lesser of two evils to stick with it (especially since support for it remained) than flip-flopping on the issue. I tend to agree that mafia wouldn't likely be as obvious about it, but I actually think it would be great play to attack so overtly.

Anyway I get the sinking feeling tmt is indeed town. I doubt there is much time to do anything about it now though.

[ThAdmiral]

Left from the 'lynch the mason club' are myself, cooldog and thad. Of those, Thad gives me the most heebies.

Wait, I was against lynching the mason. And so were you to my memory?

There's been so many replace-outs I'm confused who's who now.

As far as the kills go radiant said she was killing rob so either mafia was blocked from killing or she is mafia.

[ThAdmiral]

got it

[ThAdmiral]

Claim order is fine. Popcorn gets dredged down by people having to wait. This should run a little quicker.

[ThAdmiral]

Happy to kick things off.

[ThAdmiral]

Fuck it. I'm VT.

Continue.

[ThAdmiral]

just go whoever gets on next.

I'm so impatient, lol

[ThAdmiral]

unless rofl is a doc or a blocker of some kind it calls radiantcowbells claim in to question.
Then again, surely town doesn't only have a pair of masons.

[ThAdmiral]

Was there a point to that last post...cause you basically answered your own question.

Yeah. Just musing I guess.

Lets put it this way: if rofl claims pr, radiantbells looks worse. If rofl claims vt, radiantbells is basically confirmed.

edit: and rofl claims vt.

I can't really argue with you about your wagon based poe as well, since its how I like to scumhunt often. Obviously we will come to different conclusions, since I know I am town. Looking at the wagon:

dcl:

tmt

,

radiant

,

thad

, gorck,

rob

, cooldog

was the first -1 wagon

then after I got off after the claim radiant jumped back on and it looked like:

dcl:

tmt

, gorck,

rob

, cooldog,

radiant

Furthermore the lynch wagon on tmt was:

tmt: broseidon, jmo, yates, hoopla,

dcl

, gorckat,

rob

The last one is harder to read, but it seems pretty clear to me that there is scum among gorckat and cooldog, and at least one in bro/jmo/yates/hoop.

vote: cooldog

why is he suddenly getting a free pass?

[ThAdmiral]

vote: cooldog

why is he suddenly getting a free pass?

Why are you both giving gorck a free pass? DCL claims he has gorck as a slight Town read but hasn't stated why...

I think they might both be scum, but I think cool is scummier.

[ThAdmiral]

um. Fuck is happening in this game?

[ThAdmiral]

I will only lynch from gorckat or cooldog today.

[ThAdmiral]

let cooldog suffer

vote: gorckat

[ThAdmiral]

Radiant - if you investigated an innocent do actually tell us.

[ThAdmiral]

Having reread him cooldogs frustration does come across as genuine.

I think there are probably better lynches today than nhammen who hasn't jumped out at me as scum, then again scum are probably in the "haven't jumped out at me as scum" pile, so I'm torn on this. Would still prefer to lynch gorckat, but I will have a look back at some of the other wagons that formed in this game to see if I can figure anything out.

[ThAdmiral]

These are all the wagons of 4 or more from the mods posts:

TMTOLBTWNTOF

- Does Bo Know,

DCLXVI

, BROseidon, jmo16mla

DLCXVI

-

TMTOLBTWNTOF

,

RadiantCowbells

,

ThAdmiral

, gorckat

DLCXVI

-

TMTOLBTWNTOF

, gorckat,

Rob13

, CooLDoG,

RadiantCowbells

TMTOLBTWNTOF

-

DCLXVI

, BROseidon, jmo16mla,

Yates

RadiantCowbells

-

Rob13

, nhammen,

TMTOLBTWNTOF

,

RadiantCowbells

,

CooLDoG -

ThAdmiral

, Does Bo Know, Broseidon,

Rob13

,

DCLXVI

, nhammen

CooLDoG -

ThAdmiral

,

DCLXVI

, nhammen, gorckat,

RadiantCowbells

TMTOLBTWNTOF

- BROseidon, jmo16mla,

Yates

, Hoopla,

DCLXVI

, gorckat,

Rob13

Yates

- Broseidon, roflcopter, nhammen, CooLDoG, gorckat,

RadiantCowbells

Analysis

Firstly it is highly doubtful the scumteam is hoopla(does bo know), bro and jmo for the simple fact that I doubt they would all be on the same tmt wagon so early in the game together.

Given that I am reading cooldog as town now gorckat looks bad because of the dcl wagon. The case on him, at the time, seemed fairly decent and it makes sense that at least one scum would be on it.
Nhammen and gorckat were also on the cooldog wagon when it was on 5, similarly it makes sense if at least one of them were scum.

Broseidon is one that hadn't really pinged my scumdar much this game, but looking at the voting history there is evidence to suggest he deserves further scrutiny. He was on the early tmt wagon with the only other unknown being jmo for much of the time. Furthermore he was on the cooldog wagon, being one unknown out of hoopla(does bo know), nhammen and himself, before getting back on the tmt wagon for its lynch. Finally he was also on the yates lynch. I don't really blame the people on the yates lynch, due to how he was acting it was inevitable he was going to be lynched. That being said I don't like posts like this:

Can we just get a flip so that all this fucking WIFOM can stop. I don't have the energy for this shit.

Anyway if I had to guess now the scumteam would be:
gorck, bro and one of hoopla/jmo

[ThAdmiral]

That sounds ok to me.

vote: bro

[ThAdmiral]

I guess my questions to people are:

1) do people think the dcl wagon was all town? if not who is scum out of me, cooldog, gork?

2) Do people think the tmt wagon was all town? If not who is scum out of bro, jmo, hoopla?

[ThAdmiral]

Do people specifically think gorckat is town? I really don't see why he hasn't got any votes on him.

I'd rather lynch hoopla out of hoopla/nhammen if it does come down to those two.

[ThAdmiral]

What's your case, Thad?

You flipped from seeing Cooldog being smart scum pushing the mason lynch to a re-read of him as town when there was no traction for a lynch on him.

You're defaulting to 'scum must have been on that wagon' after saying you would only lynch me or Cooldog.

Your 727 says that one of nhammen or I are likely scum for our positions on the DCL wagon, but you fail to include him as an option in your possible scum team.

My case is that there is likely scum on the wagon. I don't think cooldog is scum because reading over his posts his frustration at town failing seems genuine.

[ThAdmiral]

I'd argue against the nhammen wagon but I don't really have any "evidence" to say he's not scum, I just really don't think he is.

The reluctance for someone to hammer could indicate there are already multiple scum on the wagon, or alternatively that scum are hesitant hammer and look bad as a result, and so are waiting for a town to hammer.

[ThAdmiral]

LOL baited and outsmarted

I got an inno on CoolDog and commuted last night.

Mason should go ahead and claim today so they don't get CCed.

VOTE: Hoopla

Wp team siren.

Well I was wrong about nhammen but it looks like I was right about cooldog. I guess I'll have another look at the Wahl s with the new flip, but I'm even more sure now that gork is scum.

[ThAdmiral]

Thad's general reluctance on nhammen has me stumped.

He's experienced, so I doubt he'd outright say he preferred a Hoops over nhammen lynch while it was building steam if they were buddies and Hoops is town. If all three of them are scum, then it'd be kind of smart because there is 'no way' experienced scum would tie them all up in a lazy defense bundle like that.

I can read him as town hesitant to be wrong, however, which fits my earlier thought about no scum on DCL.

nhammen's late 'one of gorc/thad is scum' could be read as distancing (thad-scum) or set up at least one bad lynch (if thad is town).

I know this is wifom, but I would have wagonned the fuck out of nhammen if I was scum.
true story.

also i am pretty ready to call it on admiral scum / gorc town but i'm egotistical and want to lynch hoopla first to prove myself right all along

You know what, in all honesty it is probably best to lynch from me/gork even if it is me. I'm that confident that gork is scum I'm happy to go 1 for 1 with him. One of us has to be lynched sooner or later as there is always going to be that question mark on us, it might as well be now.

[ThAdmiral]

Mason should claim.

@ jmo: lol

[ThAdmiral]

Well it looks like hoopla today. With jmos mason claim I feel fine about this really.

I'll vote tonight sometime.

[ThAdmiral]

Updated with jmo-mason, nhammen-scum, cooldog-town and the nhammen lynch added:

TMTOLBTWNTOF

- Does Bo Know,

DCLXVI

, BROseidon,

jmo16mla

DLCXVI

-

TMTOLBTWNTOF

,

RadiantCowbells

,

ThAdmiral

, gorckat

DLCXVI

-

TMTOLBTWNTOF

, gorckat,

Rob13

,

CooLDoG

,

RadiantCowbells

TMTOLBTWNTOF

-

DCLXVI

, BROseidon,

jmo16mla

,

Yates

RadiantCowbells

-

Rob13

,

nhammen

,

TMTOLBTWNTOF

,

RadiantCowbells

,

CooLDoG

-

ThAdmiral

, Does Bo Know, Broseidon,

Rob13

,

DCLXVI

,

nhammen

CooLDoG

-

ThAdmiral

,

DCLXVI

,

nhammen

, gorckat,

RadiantCowbells

TMTOLBTWNTOF

- BROseidon,

jmo16mla

,

Yates

, Hoopla,

DCLXVI

, gorckat,

Rob13

Yates

- Broseidon, roflcopter,

nhammen

,

CooLDoG

, gorckat,

RadiantCowbells

nhammen

- Broseidon, roflcopter, RadiantCowbells, gorckat,

CooLDoG

[ThAdmiral]

thadmirals 827 seems pretty obviously townie to me to. i don't think he's the type to voluntarily dabble with wifom claims as scum, and the martyrdom angle he's trying to play (with himself going first vs gorkcat) is convincing.

Not to bring up my own meta and by doing so invalidate it or anything, but I totally do this as town all the time.

[ThAdmiral]

I would have to say based on the analysis that gork and bro look the worst, but bro was the person who first pushed nhammen so he gets quite a few townpoints for that, in which case hoopla becomes a fairly decent option.

[ThAdmiral]

Btw if we are wrong about hoop we have 1 more mislynch until lylo by my count.

Currently 9 players, 2 scum (assuming 3 total). If hoop is town it will be 7-2 tomorrow. If we mislynch again it will be 5-2 the day after.

So we have 3 more lynches (including today) to find the next scum. That actually makes me pretty confident. If we go hoop, then me/gork tomorrow I am pretty sure we will win.

[ThAdmiral]

Fuck that's wrong because yates is dead yet is still on the "alive players" list.
MOOOOOOOOOOODDDDD!!!!!
(although I could have just read the recent vote count.....)

Yeah so its 8 alive today, meaning if we mislynch it will be 6 alive tomorrow which would be lylo. Which isn't as good.

Still - hoopla then gork and I am still very confident. One of them basically has to be scum. If they aren't I will never trust vote count analysis again. MARK MY WORDS!

[ThAdmiral]

radiant what the fuck are you doing - unvote yourself.

If you want to lynch me go bro tomorrow, then probably gorckat. But I'd prefer gork/bro today.

[ThAdmiral]

Actually no if we mislynch we lose now right?
Yeah don't lynch me first.

[ThAdmiral]

radiant what the fuck are you doing - unvote yourself.

If you want to lynch me go bro tomorrow, then probably gorckat. But I'd prefer gork/bro today.

Actually no if we mislynch we lose now right?
Yeah don't lynch me first.

VOTE: Unvote

Relax, guys. If there are 3 scum now then that means there were 4 scum from d1 and all the town power we had was a JOAT and two masons.

Not. bloody. likely.

I'm even wondering if you're intentionally dumbtelling.

It's just...please don't do it. There's no need, and it sets me on edge, lol.

[ThAdmiral]

Updated with hoopla lynch

TMTOLBTWNTOF

-

Does Bo Know

,

DCLXVI

, BROseidon,

jmo16mla

DLCXVI

-

TMTOLBTWNTOF

,

RadiantCowbells

,

ThAdmiral

, gorckat

DLCXVI

-

TMTOLBTWNTOF

, gorckat,

Rob13

,

CooLDoG

,

RadiantCowbells

TMTOLBTWNTOF

-

DCLXVI

, BROseidon,

jmo16mla

,

Yates

RadiantCowbells

-

Rob13

,

nhammen

,

TMTOLBTWNTOF

,

RadiantCowbells

,

CooLDoG

-

ThAdmiral

,

Does Bo Know

, Broseidon,

Rob13

,

DCLXVI

,

nhammen

CooLDoG

-

ThAdmiral

,

DCLXVI

,

nhammen

, gorckat,

RadiantCowbells

TMTOLBTWNTOF

- BROseidon,

jmo16mla

,

Yates

,

Hoopla

,

DCLXVI

, gorckat,

Rob13

Yates

- Broseidon, roflcopter,

nhammen

,

CooLDoG

, gorckat,

RadiantCowbells

nhammen

- Broseidon, roflcopter,

RadiantCowbells

, gorckat,

CooLDoG

Hoopla

- roftcopter, gorckat, Broseidon,

CooLDoG

,

RadiantCowbells

Analysis:

ok so basically if you somehow think the scumteam is me/rofl then you are saying that the tmt wagons and the early dcl wagon were

entirely town

. I guess its

possible

that rofl is scum, but from where I'm sitting it is much more likely that the scums are bro and gork.

[ThAdmiral]

vote: bro

I'm feeling this one a bit more than gork right now.

[ThAdmiral]

given that cooldog is town, and that radiant is town, if bro was town scum-rofl would have hammered. So what we know is that any scenario in which bro is town and rofl is scum is false. Also from my perspective they can't both be town because then the scum team would be me-gork, which I know is false. Therefore in any given scenario bro is scum, which is good since it means town will lynch correctly today.

[ThAdmiral]

tl;dr - cooldog hammer pls

[ThAdmiral]

radiant when you've sobered up get your vote back on bro

[ThAdmiral]

Not desperation, confidence.

[ThAdmiral]

@ rc: any day for the last few days I would have happily lynched gork. But I'm thinking its rofl/bro now. In any case I know that bro is scum based on poe, so I really can't accept any other lynch today.

Basically from where you are sitting you should also choose from me and bro, because one of us has to be scum and the other town. We can decide about rofl/gork tomorrow.

[ThAdmiral]

I have to have another look but I think the only possible teams are rofl/bro, gork/bro, me/gork.

[ThAdmiral]

ThAd, why are you so certain that RC is telling the truth and CD is not the godfather?

I refuse to believe the only town Pr is "masons". And I'd have CD as town without the inno.

[ThAdmiral]

I'll repeat it again rc: if you think I'm town bro is scum by default. He's the lynch today.

[ThAdmiral]

ThAd who do you think my scumpartner is?

Honestly I haven't figured that out yet. Today's play suggests rofl, but the rest of the game suggest gork.

[ThAdmiral]

Yeah, I'm confirming there's more to my confirmed inno on CD than just my investigate, but me saying it would be a stupid as fuck thing to do and it's not going to happen.

How fucking stupid can it possibly fucking be if we are in likely lylo and you won't reveal why the fuck you have an innoncent with more than your claimed fucking 1-shot cop.

I am melting the fuck down and will not post again until tomorrow. I have never had my buttons pushed this way and I'm gonna get game banned if I keep it up.

</ATE>

He said he has his reasons. I'm happy to wait till the washup to find out what they are.

Take a breath, look at the game reasonably. Do you think town only has masons as our prs? If not then rad has to be town, and therefore its sort of pointless questioning him.

Anyway the whole "is cd godfather?" thing is moot. If he is then scum win, because he's not getting lynched. So we might as well play like that isn't the case.

[ThAdmiral]

Updated with bro scum. I think I'm doing this more for my own interest sake than anything else.

TMTOLBTWNTOF

-

Does Bo Know

,

DCLXVI

,

BROseidon

,

jmo16mla

DLCXVI

-

TMTOLBTWNTOF

,

RadiantCowbells

,

ThAdmiral

, gorckat

DLCXVI

-

TMTOLBTWNTOF

, gorckat,

Rob13

,

CooLDoG

,

RadiantCowbells

TMTOLBTWNTOF

-

DCLXVI

,

BROseidon

,

jmo16mla

,

Yates

RadiantCowbells

-

Rob13

,

nhammen

,

TMTOLBTWNTOF

,

RadiantCowbells

,

CooLDoG

-

ThAdmiral

,

Does Bo Know

,

Broseidon

,

Rob13

,

DCLXVI

,

nhammen

CooLDoG

-

ThAdmiral

,

DCLXVI

,

nhammen

, gorckat,

RadiantCowbells

TMTOLBTWNTOF

-

BROseidon

,

jmo16mla

,

Yates

,

Hoopla

,

DCLXVI

, gorckat,

Rob13

Yates

-

Broseidon

, roflcopter,

nhammen

,

CooLDoG

, gorckat,

RadiantCowbells

nhammen

-

Broseidon

, roflcopter,

RadiantCowbells

, gorckat,

CooLDoG

Hoopla

- roftcopter, gorckat,

Broseidon

,

CooLDoG

,

RadiantCowbells

[ThAdmiral]

@ gork: you were happy to vote bro earlier in the game. Why are you hesitating to hammer now?

No lynch is a shit idea. It just means we lose a conf-town.

[ThAdmiral]

This is so weird. I'm hoping its not some completely troll setup by the mod.

Anyway the only thing that makes sense is if some town is lying about having a protecting/blocking role (its not me) and successfully blocked/protected scum/town in which case they should claim. Otherwise there could only be a scumteam of 2, because it makes no sense for them not to shoot and win if they had 3 members.

If it is 2 scum, then we still have one lynch until lylo. Honestly I suggest just getting rid of me - there are too many questions about me and I've been way, way off this game.

[ThAdmiral]

Hm. Well I guess we're lucky it was a two scum game, because we really didn't deserve to win that. At least I didn't.

Gg all, thanks for modding kit.