In post 146, Rob14 wrote:We will have no named townies in LyLo. If a mason claims in LyLo, scum would counter-claim. Scum might even claim mason first with the knowledge that a mason will definitely claim at some point. I'm not removing my vote unless DCL gives me a name and that person tells me DCL is a mason. DCL's "breadcrumb" doesn't make sense. His play this game has been manipulative and scummy. Nothing about him adds up.
also, claiming mason name(s) now shifts the wifom to the scum. DO the town have a doctor? Should we kill the mason? Should we counter claim now? Claiming masons now resolves the situation early so we can analyze and get more information.
There is no point to do this. Why later and not now?
In post 154, Rob14 wrote:Right now I consider [him fake claiming] a possibility. If no one confirms the single role-claim that can be easily confirmed over the next few days, then absolutely yes.
Which is exactly why we lynch him now and eliminate the wifom once and for all.
In post 176, ThAdmiral wrote:pls unvote dcl.
Actually, do whatever. If someone is bold enough to hammer him, and he is indeed mason - they will go down tomorrow.
If I had a vote I would do this right now. In my opinion it is the best tactical play. Also, mason partner needs to claim before lynch. Otherwise lynching him is self-defeating because we will have to go through wifom all over again with his partner.
why the hop. Doesn't compute with previous statements.
fuck, why is it someone always says what I want to say before me.
In post 181, DCLXVI wrote:
@cooldog, your bullshit post claiming my formatting was bad was really, really stupid. One, because it wasn't bad, two, because even if it was bad. I had mentioned several times that I was limited to phoneposting yesterday so of course making my posts look good was going to be a lot harder.
doesn't get joke/sarcasm. The point I was making was that the post being poorly formatted does not mean that one shouldn't be expect to understand the post. This includes me. I should have knwo that you were joking with the gorcat post, btu I fail at reading. Interesting that you attack me with the same arguments that you justify your attacks on rob. You also defend my attacks the same way that rob defends your attacks. You are having the "globs of text" both ways, which was the point of the post I made.
In post 183, Rob14 wrote:
I do when someone puts someone at L-1 while simultaneously stating that they don't want the person lynched without giving any reasons that a vote is warranted after having previously unvoted that person not long ago.
But this happens all the time.
In post 185, jmo16mla wrote:I thought he was town PR all along. Town PRs often begin to seem to flail earlier than scum because they are obviously town in their mind, while scum try to keep it cool until its absolutely needed.
If dcl flips scum, you will die. Also, on a scale of 1-10 you are at "level 8" likelihood for claiming mason.
In post 189, BROseidon wrote:
@Rob, Cooldog, TMT: Do you still want DCL to reveal a name for his mason partner, or are you fine with what he's given us?
yes. 100% yes. I want him to reveal his partner now.
In post 198, Rob14 wrote:DCL, if he's a town mason, is dead tonight or possibly the next night, agreed?
Alright, if we accept that, then his partner is just a VT. I'd rather that VT turn into a 100% no WIFOM confirmed townie - an innocent child, if you will - upon DCL's death and flip.
So no, I see no downside in this specific situation.
The only downside would be that the scum could kill that person in the night. But that means that the scum will have to wifom a potential doctor/watcher action.
In post 202, BROseidon wrote:1) Makes it easier for scum to try to weed out other power roles early. Scum can get a mason N1 if they want either way at this point, but if they want to get a stronger PR, not having the second mason claim results in there being a chance that they would still hit a mason.
2) Makes it easier for scum to target masons once masons become a threat. Masons are stronger as the game progresses, because conftown becomes scarier when there are fewer players; scum have fewer players to set up mislynches against. Thus, at a certain point scum do want masons gone, and having the second mason known makes it more likely for this to occur should they not accidentally hit him early.
Tl;dr giving scum more control over when they get the masons killed is bad.
1) scum will do that anyway with nigth kills. Also saves a random n1 power role nk. The pr night kill pool decreases naturally on its own, the mason claim is just an n1 protection. IF they decide to not kill the mason for aformentioned wifom reasons, then we have a smaller lynch pool. Your line of argument here falls through.
2) Actually it makes it dramatically fucking harder if DCL flips town. Because that person is basically 100% confirmed, making it nearly fucking impossible for scum to push a lynch for a mason partner claimed by a confirmed (via flip) mason. If dcl does NOT claim his partner right now, then we are introduced with a possible scum counter claim.. at which point we have a 50/50.. that is assuming the scum are stupid enough to counter claim mason at thsi stage in anyway.
This leads to an interesting point that people are making... the situation that is presented goes as follows:
1) day before lylo mason partner claims
2) Scum counter claims mason
3) town lynches one of the two
4a) If flips town: lynch other in lylo
4b) If flips scum: we just lynched scum
The situation presents a condition where it seems like a mason claiming one day before lylo guarantees that one scum is lynched. But this is not accurate because it makes one fatal assumption that a scum team, that is playing optimally, will never do. That assumption is at point 2, a rational scum team would never, ever, counter claim mason in this situation, because it is certain that one of them will die. Instead the situation will
for sure
play out like this:
1) day before lylo mason partner claims
2) scum say nothing
3) town lynches non mason
4a) lynch flips scum: yay we got scum, mason dies at night.
4b) lynch town: yay you just lost the mason to a night kill and lynched a townie, welcome to lylo.
this line of reasoning should be completely disregarded and purged from all talk about the masons.
But regardless of all of this, we have to lynch dcl today, no matter what. There is no real way around it. Scum will just keep this over our heads in wifom until 1 day before lylo where we have a possible 3 way mason claim thing going on... Don't assume that the scum will kill dcl tonight for us... oh no, they want to keep him alive for as long as possible.
after a wank.