Mini 1452 - Inevitable Mafia (Game Over)
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First content post. By the way, if there really are masons, there is no reason for them to out their partners first day.
@Gorckat Further elaboration on that first post of yours is definitely warranted.
@jmo16mla His point regarding your differing responses to the same actions is correct. Elaborate, please.
@Rob13 Your case piques my interest and leads me to consider you town, but I do not entirely support it.
I find it interesting that the first thing that comes to mind here for you is that Gorkcat could be mason and not that he could be scum; almost as if you already know he's not scum?And what would that be? Unless they are masons together I can't see how gorkcat would know radiant is town.
You shouldn't be fine with someone making a statement like that without any elaboration.Correct, I am totes fine with your statement, even though I don't see any way for you to know radiant was town.
Baah.I think Rob's point about him is accurate.
VOTE: DCLXVI-
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It's actually more of a meta reason. I've replaced him when he was town before, and also checked his meta to verify; he is getting very angry, which is something he usually does as town but not as scum.By the by - is there a reason for this? Perhaps a post or some meta reasons causing you to lean Town on JMO that I wouldn't understand?
I also feel like the people voting him are primarily voting him because of the aforementioned anger, rather than because of his tunneling. The tunneling in question also makes him look townier rather than scummier, as in my experience town are more likely to tunnel than scum.
Also, I am committed to seeing my current wagon to fruition. With that said:
Is there some particular strategic advantage you get from withholding useful logical information from the towN?Basically, I think your post was an effective way of trying to get us out of RVS which is town motivated. I don't believe you had any reason to call radiant town though. You just chose the first player to vote.
I like how you're subtly pushing this TMT lynch without getting behind it.Not sure yet, I've only seen him as town, not scum. I will say that a TMT scum flip would look really bad for him though.
@rob, if you write a glob of text with poor formatting, don't try and act surprised that someone misinterprets your case.
I also like how you act like his well ordered post was a "glob of text" with poor formatting.
Or should I say dislike?
@Everyone who is not currently voting DCLXVI, why? Do you see a town motivated reason for his repeated deflections?-
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Back. I've made up my mind and am definitely pushing the DCL wagon to its finish.
The votes on me are ne comprende.
On the contrary, I have pushed for this lynch from the onset, and will take complete responsibility for it. Unless you're seriously asserting that there was a significant chance of someone randomly quickhammering for no reason, then your case holds no water, and if you are seriously asserting that, then what information does that give us about the quickhammerer that town can use? No, your partner isn't going to quickhammer you for towncred, relax.radiant wants someone to hammer me but she wants an easy out so she isn't responsible for the lynch. that is scummy as hell.
There is a very good reason for us to want you to out your partner today. If you are mason as you claim, then that gives us a clear assuming one of you dies tonight without the possibility of a counterclaim. If you're scum, then you have to throw one of your partners under the bus, which in the likely chance this save has at least one investigative role allows us to confirm both of your identities. In the case of you being mason, there is no benefit whatsoever to the withholding of your partner's identity, because if scum knows you're telling the truth, they'll kill you tonight and then your partner will function as a counterclaimable named townie; mostly useless. However, if you out your partner then you will still die tonight, but then we have a confirmed clear tomorrow to lead us. Also, if you continue to not out your partner, I will continue to vote you and push for your lynch, and I will make damn sure that no votes are getting split; it's me or you, and if I get lynched, fine, but I promise that you will lose your head tomorrow.3. I will absolutely not reveal who that person is day 1. I will explain that more later today but there is no good reason for me to be outing my partner at this point.
4. If I were to die before naming my partner, at latest he or she should claim the day before lylo is likely to occur.
Because why not.Why is radiant self-voting?
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DCL, if you don't claim a partner, you will get lynched today.
@everyone else, stop letting DCL divert attention with the shitty wagon on me. Rob is also a strong contender for partner status, making DCL/Rob potentially two members of a 3 person scumteam. His responses to the pressure on him sucked elephant dick and he doesn't do anything for town except strut around playing passively while acting like his mason claim makes him confirmed town.-
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This post triggered my alarm bells, and others have been pushing for his lynch, so I did a full ISO of him to be sure.In post 259, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:UNVOTE:
I had no ulterior motive for my beliefs in the other mason outing. If I was trying to look townie, then why would I state something that is viewed by others as a scumtell? I believed the other mason should out, and I hadn't seen anything that would change that opinion.Does Bo Know wrote: look townie by participating in Mason discussion
After rereading BROseidon's, I see why the other mason shouldn't be revealed.
ClarifyDoes Bo Know wrote: And then TMT stops confronting me about my vote.
I really do hate to say it, but it looks like a scumtell to me, because after Yates' 248 it looks like Rob is grasping at straws.In post 228, Rob14 wrote:And that Yates callout from TMT was very, very good.
A role fishing attempt? You're saying I'm making an obvious role fishing attempt for a Mason?Yates wrote:DCL isn't scum. With that stated, I obviously agree that there are better lynches than DCL. Two lynch candidates I like better than DCL are TMT and CoolDog. I like TMT and CoolDog for numerous reasons. Most recently I like them as scum for an obvious role fishing attempt while trying to make it sound proTown.
And you seem to be ignoring Radiant's push for the mason out, which makes it look like you're gunning for me and ignoring other people in the process.
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There is a very good reason for us to want you to out your partner today. If you are mason as you claim, then that gives us a clear assuming one of you dies tonight without the possibility of a counterclaim. If you're scum, then you have to throw one of your partners under the bus, which in the likely chance this save has at least one investigative role allows us to confirm both of your identities. In the case of you being mason, there is no benefit whatsoever to the withholding of your partner's identity, because if scum knows you're telling the truth, they'll kill you tonight and then your partner will function as a counterclaimable named townie; mostly useless. However, if you out your partner then you will still die tonight, but then we have a confirmed clear tomorrow to lead us. Also, if you continue to not out your partner, I will continue to vote you and push for your lynch, and I will make damn sure that no votes are getting split; it's me or you, and if I get lynched, fine, but I promise that you will lose your head tomorrow.3. I will absolutely not reveal who that person is day 1. I will explain that more later today but there is no good reason for me to be outing my partner at this point.
4. If I were to die before naming my partner, at latest he or she should claim the day before lylo is likely to occur.
Uh, what the fuck? Looks to me like a weak attempt to towntell.RadiantCowbells wrote:
Because why not.Why is radiant self-voting?
This accusation really doesn't make sense to me and looks like namedropping.RadiantCowbells wrote: @everyone else, stop letting DCL divert attention with the shitty wagon on me. Rob is also a strong contender for partner status, making DCL/Rob potentially two members of a 3 person scumteam. His responses to the pressure on him sucked elephant dick and he doesn't do anything for town except strut around playing passively while acting like his mason claim makes him confirmed town.
VOTE: Radiant
Null. No one had really moved past RVS at this moment but neither did he push to end it.1452 are the digits of my address number
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Way to throw a pal under the bus then, bro[/quote]VOTE: DCLXVI
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[quote='Does Bo Know"]The only players I know in this game are Jmo and TMT.
Interesting that his supposed RVS stage targets the person who would be a target for most of the day. I've noticed that scum tend to RVS their partners; perhaps this could indicate that TMT/DCLXVI is a scumteam, but if DCL is indeed mason, TMT is probably not the mason. Scummy, but possibly coincidental.
Slightly town. Mafia generally apologize for things like that, to seem compliant.Well not I'm embarrassed for messing up the quotes
Irrelevant.I'm not an alt. I'm new to forum mafia.
This is where we start to look scummy. Town are generally disinterested in cases upon them, except for the purposes of figuring out who could be legitimately scumhunting or who is simply throwing out a random lynch. This looks like he's on the defensive, and trying to be compliant like I asid above.Someone, please let me know what I did. I feel like it's one of those situations where people are talking behind your back, but in a way so that you can hear snatches of the conversation.
Null, since his follow up post justified the prod dodger.Note that I am reading the last 3 pages and formulating a response. Please stand by
Splitting up his next post.
Not realizing that we were out of RVS shows inattentivity, which shows that he is not scumhunting. So, either extremely lazy townie or scum who doesn't need to do anything.I understand your reasoning, but I really didn't realize that we were out of RVS. And that doesn't explain DBK's reasoning.
Refusing to get into WIFOM on this point.Note I say this with extreme caution lest you believe that the frivolous content of this is an anti-town action, but Doctor Who is a great show.
This is wrong. He had no reason to believe that gorkcat was being town, and dodging questions is generally scummy in its own right, whereas subtly pushing on you is only scummy if he has no or sloppy justification for it. Why are you so defensive that you think that pushing on you makes someone scum but doing scummy things is something you're ok with?Also, from that I understand, DCL is being called scum because
1. Confidence in gorkcat being town
2. Subtly pushing lynch on yours truly
3. Dodging questions
I really only think number 2 is a legit scumread on DCL, unless I missed something.
Null, leaning scum. A town explanation could be he wanted to read DBK's explanation to figure out if he was scum, but it's more likely that he's just overly concerned with self preservation, and by extension the arguments against him.Also, DBK, I'm still interested in your vote on me, as it obviously has to be different from Rob's, because you made it clear that you thought I was scum before I posted my mistimed RVS vote. You said you would explain, so please do so.
Very scummy. He's being compliant and asking others for their opinions, instead of having the balls to decide for himself what he thinks is best for the town.I'm not sure about this, but I don't like that mason claim, partly because masons were discussed earlier in the game...
Should we get the other mason to confirm?
Why is radiant self-voting?
Also, every single person in the game noticed that I was self voting. No one else commented because no one cared; it's irrelevant, and everyone else realized that it didn't matter. It seems to me like you're trying to look like you're scumhunting by pointing out things, even if they're meaningless.
I can't agree with any of the comments on DBK, but I do feel the need to point out that his OMGUS only extended to the person with the weaker argument for the lynch; that looks like town trying to figure out which scum are on their wagon.Anyway, I think Does Bo Know is scum.
Nearly no content posts, almost all fluff.
Pushes me early with no explanation.
Very mitigated statements.
I'll make my verdict after Bo's catch up post.
Ok, so Bo's catch up post happened.
I disagree with two of those reads, but they do have substance behind them. Slightly town.Other content-
JMO is scum because his inconsistency
DCL is probably town but could be scum (again, mitigation)
Rob is town but you say "Bad bad bad" (what?!)
Quite scummy that you're not willing to say that and have it stand on your own shoulders.really do agree with rob in the other mason claiming.
If dcl is mason, then we'll have confirmed town tomorrow.
If dcl is scum, we'll have confirmed scum or two tomorrow.
Overall a good point, even if the self preservation instinct does look slightly scummy.Yates. So you think that asking the mason partner to claim is a reasonable request, as per your #200.
And yet when I say that I think the other mason should claim it's the so called "straw on the camel's back" that makes you vote me?
Scumdar triggered. Only scum need to point out that their thought process isn't scummy in this manner; it's not argumentative, it's just matter of fact. Especially in a situation like this where multiple people all agreed the partner should out, I don't see why a town player would feel the need to talk about their thought process with such a decision.I had no ulterior motive for my beliefs in the other mason outing. If I was trying to look townie, then why would I state something that is viewed by others as a scumtell? I believed the other mason should out, and I hadn't seen anything that would change that opinion.
Very scummy. The value to town of having one mason left alive is almost null, because the remainder is almost certainly going to be killed that night anyway. Lynching DCL without him naming a partner makes sense, because that leaves the partner free to claim before lylo and give us a confirmed clear on any date. If he names a partner, it makes more sense to leave him alive for now, and who knows? If they're both scum, maybe a cop will check them and give us two confirmed scum at once.After rereading BROseidon's, I see why the other mason shouldn't be revealed.
I find your lack of original content disturbing.
Perhaps. Do you find ANYONE to look town?I really do hate to say it, but it looks like a scumtell to me, because after Yates' 248 it looks like Rob is grasping at straws
Bingo, but perhaps he's doing so because your push is corroborated by other evidence of your scumminess? This looks town however, because town are less likely to be able to understand arguments against them, because they know they are town.A role fishing attempt? You're saying I'm making an obvious role fishing attempt for a Mason?
And you seem to be ignoring Radiant's push for the mason out, which makes it look like you're gunning for me and ignoring other people in the process.
Again, you're wasting time pointing out something that everyone else realized was irrelevant. So either you're inexperienced, or you're scum. The fact that you think that my selfvoting has made me scummier than any other person in the game leans towards the former though; I can't see scum pushing a wagon for this reason.Uh, what the fuck? Looks to me like a weak attempt to towntell.
Do you even know what namedropping is?This accusation really doesn't make sense to me and looks like namedropping.
VOTE: Radiant
Summary: Either very inexperienced town or relatively inexperienced scum.
I really think he just doesn't really know what he's doing, explaining the self preservation and sheeping, so I support the CoolDog and DCLXVI wagons more than I support this one.
My vote stays where it is for now.
@Radiant: What do you think of CoolDog wanting to lynch DCL even if he claims a mason partner and the partner confirms?
At this time, I still support a DCLXVI lynch and a CoolDog lynch. Unless I see something else from TMT that makes me think he's scum, I am not willing to support that wagon unless the choice is TMT or a NL.-
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The major thing that made me check him was the fact that he voted me with really shitty justification.
But after reading what he's posted so far, I'm more inclined to consider him just an inexperienced player in general, and I think that if he was scum, he would have made many more obvious scumslips than he has so far.
Also, most of what I read that made me lean town was his excessive self preservation focus and his misguided push on me, which can also be attributed to him just being a new player.
I wouldn't strongly object to the lynch normally, because I think he's useless to town unless he's a PR, but as DBK said, there are much better lynches today. Hell, I'd rather lynch at least half of the game over him, most notably CoolDog and DCLXVI.
Furthermore, TMT isn't the only person voting me, and he at least gave rationale; I don't like the fact that anyone is trying to wagon me right now, and I'm still trying to decide whether the others are misguided town or scum trying to avoid attracting attention by sitting on an side wagon. That includes you too, by the way, but, for now, I consider you fairly town. Your current vote still sucks, though.
Last thing: I said his posts were scummy, not he was. Scummy is here defined as coming from a non pro-town viewpoint, but there's the mitigating factor of him being inexperienced and not understanding that win condition, and so not acting in that self interest as I would typically understand it.-
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I figure I'll just selfvote this, because there is no coherent argument that I am scum yet four idiots are on my wagon.
I have no desire to play with a town this bad, so I'll just lynch myself to confirm myself and leave you guys with strategy.
If we have anyone else with vig powers, shoot DCLXVI tonight. He's scum.
Lynch DCL if he's not already dead, then kill Rob.
Feel free to do whatever you guys want following that.
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hurdurIn post 304, DCLXVI wrote:@radiant why were you so concerned with getting me lynched when you could have investigated me? Or shot/commuted later on?
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Roflcopter seems awesome and his presence has reinspired me to work for the town win.
I'll post
More likely, the save is balanced around the shot and the invest going off, which would explain why commuter is in the list; if a claim is forced d1, I'm still not an obvious target. If you don't like the amount of power put onto a single role, take it up with kitoari, but if DCL really is a mason, my role probably exists for the purpose of confirming the masons. There are also likely no doctors or jailkeepers.role suck blah blah
roflcopter seems awesome and his presence has reignited my interest in the game. I'm going to post my full ISOs of Rob13 and Cooldog to explain why I support their lynches.
VOTE: Rob13
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Hey dipshitIf they are scum we don't trust them, because scum lie. If they are town, we don't trust them because if we lynched them then they must have been playing badly. Players should give reads though, because the same name keeps coming up as scum among doomed town, then you might want to take a closer look at that name.
people voting townies are just as, if not more culpable for the mislynch as the people who got mislynched.
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Yeah, Rob13 is obvscum.
Roflcopter is awesome and I hope we're both still alive tomorrow.
I have a suspicion that if I do hard commit to shoot Rob, I'll just be shot myself and town loses its other abilities, or perhaps roleblocked so that scum can push a lynch on me.
So it's like, I really want to, but then I think town must need my other abilities, and then I need to prove myself and shit, but whatever.
I'm fine with dying, whether I am able to get Rob to die too or not, so I probably won't use my commute tonight, but I made my mind up what I'm doing and have breadcrumbed it clearly.
DBK's unvote has made me uncomfortable about his alignment, regardless of what CoolDog flips.
I hope I'm still alive tomorrow to do something about it :V-
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http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Roleblocker
Hey, in case you hadn't noticed, that's 3 potential town power roles outed.
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@Others, I am firmly committed to shooting Rob13 one of these days.
It just might not be today.
Also, Rob, I find it fairly interesting that you seem assured that there is no serial killer in the setup. If I was SK, there would be two deaths tonight. If I was mafia and there was an SK, there would be two deaths tonight. You have completely ignored the possibility of any of these scenarios to make sure that I commit to using my shot tonight. Are you just trying to set me up for tomorrows lynch by having me role blocked, or are you just going to kill me to get rid of my investigate?
So no, I'm not committing to using my shot tonight, because doing so would virtually guarantee my death, given the presence of commute on my kit suggests that there is no doctor.
I might, and I might not, but I will and have to within 3 days so your impatience to have me prove my role, which wouldn't actually prove my role, suggests that you don't actually care about proving my role and just want to have me vulnerable to a night kill or a role block tonight.
But yeah, you might live tonight. I am not taking away my ability to WIFOM my actions, which was the inherent advantage of having a commute anyway.
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I think your switching your vote after my postulating the existence of a role blocker suggests that there is a roleblocker on your team, whoever it is.
It's also probably not CoolDog, because you were expecting it to go through after you bussed your partner.
After a Cooldog scum flip, at this point, suspicion will be high on you. You would prefer to divert the lynch, preferably onto Roflcoptor, who is an EXTREMELY easy lynch because half the town hates him.
It seems clear to me that you never expected to die from my shot, even though if I was mafia/sk the logical thing for me to do would still be to kill you.
You are scum, Cooldog is scum. I am not overly concerned about which gets lynched today, because after a Cooldog scum flip I feel very safe just commuting tonight, getting you lynched tomorrow and then feeling free to use my shot and investigate without the threat of it being wasted.
It's way too late for you to try to jump off this wagon, Rob. Go on and hammer your partner for some towncred.
1) RoflcoptorAlso, what's with the big turn around Radiant
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Why else are you so insistent on me using my shot today when I could use it in any of the next three days, and in fact if there were two kills tonight, then three kills tomorrow, that would *actually* confirm my role, as no matter how many kills occur tonight, that doesn't prove that I have a role that can up the KPN by one. That would simply prove that there are X killing roles in the game.So where are you getting the stuff about me not expecting to die from your shot?
I do not believe you are stupid enough to be totally blind to this possibility, so I am left believing there is something you know that I don't. Whether that is you knowing the scumteam and believing that an SK is impossible, or you just wanting me to be vulnerable tonight so you can kill me, or even if there's SOMETHING ELSE that lets you know there is one base KPN with no SK / only one scumteam, there IS somethjing you know that I don't. And there's no way in hell town would know it.
This leads me to believe that you already know my kill will not go through, and that there will be one KPN tonight, hence my wondering whether you are a bulletproof SK who will NK / bulletproof scum / have a roleblocker on your team.
Also, now you say you fully expected to die. But you also think I'm scum regardless. Let's hypothesize a few situations, based on the premise that you're town.
Radiant is Town!Joat. Scum knows this. Rob13 pushes Radiant to shoot him, making him vulnerable confirmed. Radiant and Rob13 die N1. Scum wins.
Radiant is Scum!Joat. Radiant shoots Rob13, Radiant's scumpartners shoot another guy. Rob13's logic has now convinced the town that Scum!Radiant is in fact town. Scum wins.
Radiant is Scum. Goon for example. Radiant knows based on his team's composition that there is no SK. He kills Rob13 anyway and gets lynched the next day. Town wins.
Radiant is Scum. Goon for example. Radiant knows based on his team's composition that there is a SK. He kills Rob13 and the SK kills someone else. The SK knows he's scum, but town thinks he's town. Scum wins.
You already covered the SK paths. I don't think you could have possibly thought through this so poorly as to not realize that if I was scum, the easy out in nearly all situations would just be to shoot you and have people think I'm town, then fudge investigative results while you're dead.
Furthermore, your questionable reaction to the Cooldog lynch, as well as the fact that you changed your vote in reaction to me realizing that there was potentially a mafia roleblocker, leads me to believe that you are scum with a roleblocker on your team and want me to serve as an easy mislynch tomorrow, while simultaneously wasting a shot of commute and investigation.
I postulate that you are beginning to realize how big the gaps in the logic you were claiming to believe are, and are now trying to find a way to divert attention to that by bringing up the Radi!Scum argument again and trying to divert a lynch on your teammate.I postulate that you weren't genuinely bored of the game or throwing in the towel - you were just trying to put on an act to get people to look elsewhere.
I have reason to believe that my postulations are more correct than your own.
It's nice to have someone in the game who isn't completely retarded.So the joining of roflcoptor made you suddenly interested in the game? Is that what you meant by that last bit? Cause I don't buy that. I don't think any one person whose alignment you don't even know and who had such a weak entrance into this game (no reasoning for anything he said at the beginning) could cause you to do a 180 on your interest.
It's sort of refreshing, you know?
So yes, let's go ahead and lynch CoolDog, and I will leave open what I intend to do tonight. I prove myself by taking my shot within the next three days, preferably on Rob13.-
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This guy gets it! But maybe/maybe not for the right reasons?i'm obviously pro-shooting-rob
No. I said I may take my shot any of the nights, but I'm not saying what night I'll do what. That is ideal for town in every way, as scum cannot predict my actions.He has directly refused to confirm his role before Day 3. I'm not going to wait until then to lynch him when he's claimed a massively improbably role.
The absolute best interpretation of your attitude is that you absolutely don't care whether I'm scum or town; you just want me lynched or night killed. I interpret that as meaning that you are scum and don't actually care which town gets lynched, so you don't need to scumhunt. Even the most towny explanation involves acting anti-town.
I consider it more likely than that that you planned to bait me into getting roleblocked when I tried to vig shoot you, and then use that opportunity to push for a mislynch onto me. And your actions all point towards that; after chastising me for not working hard enough in my defense, you are telling me to shoot what would be (if you were town) a confirmed innocent. That's extremely anti town, especially considering unlike me you aren't even giving any reads as you go down. I think that I was dead on about your ploy, that you are scum with cooldog, and are backed into a corner now and are beginning to become resigned to this loss.
You need to stop saying that.he's claimed a massively improbably role.
When I die or the game ends and my role is confirmed, take my role and go bitch to the normal review board or whoever's job you feel it is to prevent a role like this from getting into a mafia game.
I love my statistics <3"You are a Statistician (Town)! You love the damned lies known as statistics. So much fun they are, even when they're useless.
You have the following abilties:
Inside Information - You know there is a 0% chance of a jester existing in this game.
I didn't actually know there was a specific ruleset that separated normal games from theme games.
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Because a significant part of what makes me find Rob scummy is his association with you, not vice versa.I still don't know the logic behind why radint would lynch me over rob.
I'd be uncomfortable with him no matter what you flip, but if you flip scum I would immediately want to lynch Rob, whereas the reverse is not necessarily true.-
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My thoughts on the last day. I'm ignoring TMT because I still think he's town.
Scum for how many pages and I changed your mind in twenty words, containing minimal game related content.Fuck. You're town, aren't you? I'm doubting that you can play well enough to fake the type of town vibe that I just got off that post.
Rofl has done plenty. Rofl is not getting lynched today and if I'm still alive tomorrow, Rofl is not getting lynched tomorrow.Roflcopter is doing two things this game.
1) Pissing me off.
2) Oh wait, he's only pissing me off. He's literally done nothing else to contribute to anything. I've seen town-rofl and he's more competent than this.
I can actually get behind this, especially considering I have never liked Yates.Yates has dropped off the map. He's laying low. I don't trust it. Early contradictions keep him in my scum list.
I'm glad you concur?This TMT wagon is not great. TMT has played anti-town in all the ways I would expect noob-town to do so. He has done nothing inherently scummy or that can not be understood when looking at things from the mindset of someone new to the game of Mafia and on the town side of things
This is scummy as fk.And hello trying to connect rofl and CooLDoG.
You had one?my townread on Rob
*facepalm*This. Also, TMT should have been in my null pile due to the connection thingy with CoolDoG - I literally copy-pasted my old reads list from a few hundred posts back and then updated a few names that were noteworthy to make that post. Updating TMT was missed.
My entire townread on Hoopla just evaporated instantly.Radiant: Read Rob's #451. It seems really town to me. Vig gorckat.
Gorckat is my strongest townread in the game. Further, how does 451 look town to you at ALL?
You think Rob13 is dead set on my being scum and then all of a sudden heel face turns to "might be town" when he realizes a Radiant lynch won't happen?
No, if Rob13 flips scum, you better be next.
That was actually really really stupid by me.Uh - too bad? Deadline is TODAY. We need a lynch by midnight.
No more quotes because this is getting too lengthy.
@469-472 great catches Rofl/Nhammen. I'm actually great with a Yates lynch at this point, because that would also leave it open as to who I plan to night kill.
If there isn't a role blocker, that would make it considerably harder for scum to set me up.
Also, Rob13's "I'm cool with this if enough support gets behind it." looks to me like he's trying to make sure that support doesn't get behind it, but leaves open the possibility of him busing his partner if enough does.
This is actually the best I've felt about any non-Rob lynch opportunities today and has solidified my townread on Roflcopter.
VOTE: Yates-
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I shot Rob13. So, four possibilities:
1) Mafia killing role was roleblocked last night.
2) Mafia chose to attack the same target to introduce doubt as to my alignment.
3) Mafia chose to kill Rob13 because they thought I was going to kill Gorckat.
4) Someone received doctor protection.
I'm going to go way out on a limb here and suggest that number four is the most likely one, and me the most likely one to have been docced.
None of the options seem particularly likely.
If there is a doctor, I suggest that the doctor not claim unless he or his save is at threat of being lynched.
I am genuinely shocked at Rob13's town flip, but that was entirely his fault for tunneling me like a doughnut.
With a town confirmed in Rob13, I've lost alot of my enthusiasm for the CoolDog lynch.
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I should explain this.
Unless the town as a whole requests I perform an action tonight, there's a 50% chance of me being immune to NK tonight.
If I claim an investigation tomorrow, mafia knows I'm night immune N3 and won't waste a shot.
If I claim to have commuted tomorrow, mafia knows that I'm vulnerable and investigating someone.
It's more logical for me to not say what I will do, clearly breadcrumb my n2 action for day 3 so no one claims opportunism, and only claim an investigation if it's to protect that person from being lynched.
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As I already said, to CoolDog's immense chagrin.Why? What makes you think he'd even be alive D4?/quote]
Because if I don't say when I'm doing what, scum targeting me would have a 50% chance of hitting me while I'm commuting, thus wasting their night kill.
This is something they'd be very unlikely to do.
If we are willing to assume Radiant is town, then it is optimal for him to wait until D4 to claim results from his other two abilities
Especially because the chance of me being NKed just skyrocketed after the mass claim.-
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The lack of PR claims convinces me that scum are hiding in the VTs.
This makes me believe that the masons are legit.
Hoopla may or may not be the other mason, and because of that, DCL should say nothing further unless he can make a strong argument without relying on being/not being mason. Don't narrow down the pool for the second mason.-
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Are you literally retarded?
was in response toHoopla may or may not be the other mason, and because of that, DCL should say nothing further unless he can make a strong argument without relying on being/not being mason. Don't narrow down the pool for the second mason.
IE DON'T ANSWER ROFLCOPTOR'S QUESTION.dcl why do you have hoopla as a townread?
If you're going to be a fucking doorknob and say nothing about Yates then fine, doesn't change strategy for today. But stop being a fucktard and acting like it's my fault for acting scummy.
I mean fuck. If you lynch town, it's every bit as much your fault for being an ignorant twat as it is theirs for looking scummy. Just because you guys all jerk each other off about it doesn't mean you didn't fuck up and maybe instead of being HURDUR YOU'RE A SHITHEAD BECAUSE I VOTED YOU BECAUSE YOU DONT CONFORM TO HOW I PLAY THE GAME you can take a big step back and actually fucking THINK hey maybe I could do something differently-
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I really don't care what he has to say because Roflcopter is town.
I'll do my own ISO of Nhammen. I don't like how he has evaded the spotlight this whole game.
That's a possible explanation, but not wanting to lynch your scumpartner is another.he could easily have been a mason. that was more important. you're just being results oriented.-
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No, this town is actually fucking retarded.
Yates said Rofl was scum to try to confuse the town. This isn't a multiball setup, nor is there an SK; what kind of mod designs a setup with three potential kills in one night?
This is a 3 scum setup, or possibly two scum + traitor. Masons and a JOAT do not constitute enough town sided power to counteract the anti town power of multiple killing roles.
I could really see Yates/Nhammen/x as a scumteam. Does anyone else think #629 looks totally insincere?
It also seems to me like JMO already seems convinced of the multiball idea. I don't know how that would be possible for scum to know at this point though; maybe something in the scum composition suggests it?
Also, I did my ISO of Nhammen and really don't like what I found. He's a good candidate for the noose tomorrow.
Final reads at the end of today:
Scummy:
Nhammen
Jmo
Hoopla
Towny:
Roflcopter
Broseidon
Thadmiral
Seeing the flip on Yates would help me with my reads immensely.-
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