Mini 1521: The Fall - Game Over

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/confirm

I'm gonna hop right into the game on the Hopkirk wagon. I feel like he's trying to position himself as a town leader early on and that's a pet peeve of mine. Let's put him under a magnifying glass.

VOTE: Hopkirk

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Where did I say you were leading the town? I said you were trying to position yourself as the town leader. Big difference, but I love the way you try to discredit me so quickly.

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try- make an attempt or effort to do something
succeed- achieve the desired aim or result

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Where am i trying to lead village then?

It's just a feel I get. You're already being extremely forceful in the RVS, your play resembles that of someone who likes to play by polarizing the game around them, me dislike.

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Also Jake does the same thing, he just has no wagon.

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How is spamming bullshit not half-assing?

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Where am i trying to lead village then?

It's just a feel I get. You're already being extremely forceful in the RVS, your play resembles that of someone who likes to play by polarizing the game around them, me dislike.

being forcefull is more of a playstyle thing and not so much an alignment thing plus I don't really agree that HK is doing that, if anyone is doing that it's me and if you honestly felt it scummy your vote would be on me.

p.edit - I don't spam bullshit, I just multi-post a lot and most of my posts have something to do with the game. I just have this uncontrollable urge to respond to things I could probably just ignore.

@jake Both fair points, I just hate that style and love early wagons.

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Interpreting everything literally is basically just an excuse to misrep people.

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Pretty sure Yiley is scum with Hopkirk.

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126 has so much made-up shit in it that I'm laughing pretty hard.

VOTE: Duck

This guy is grilling whoever he thinks is under the most pressure.

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Yiley stfu please and thank you.

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I notice that to.

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too*

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So why don't you oblige me and answer it?

There's a reason.

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@mod i'm voting for the duck

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First off, Hopkirk is not under any pressure. Four votes at the beginning of Day 1 is not in any way pressure. If that wagon carries to lynch then that's idiotis. Not to say he won't get lynched, but it won't be that wagon and he's not under pressure. The first real wagon is emogirl, now that the pressure has shifted.

As for making things up, how the hell is losing interest in you a scumtell, people lose interest all the time when they're fishing at the beginning of a game. Everything else in that post is you reaching. Asking about hypothetical situations and pushing people for the opinion on RVS has jackshit to do with the game unless you can pull up plentiful examples of town meta where she does the opposite.

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emogirl what do you think of sunshine and bolte?

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cool, can you point me to the posts where you explain why, i'm braindead right now and you're posts take so long to decipher when they're laced with quotes.

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I remember that post now. Thanks.

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@Perseus Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy. I love a good can of not understanding early day 1 play. It is early on day 1, we have two weeks, I'm not gonna stick to a scumread just yet when not everybody has even checked in. I'm gonna ask around and put pressure on people and see if anything else crops up and then on later days I'm gonna go back to it and look at it in context and then find some fucking scum. What are you gonna do.

While you're answering that why don't you explain why you took so much time analyzing The-Duck's works and talked about him being scum, and then ignored that and voted me?

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First off, Hopkirk is not under any pressure. Four votes at the beginning of Day 1 is not in any way pressure. If that wagon carries to lynch then that's idiotis. Not to say he won't get lynched, but it won't be that wagon and he's not under pressure. The first real wagon is emogirl, now that the pressure has shifted.

As for making things up, how the hell is losing interest in you a scumtell, people lose interest all the time when they're fishing at the beginning of a game. Everything else in that post is you reaching. Asking about hypothetical situations and pushing people for the opinion on RVS has jackshit to do with the game unless you can pull up plentiful examples of town meta where she does the opposite.

How was Hopkirk not under pressure, he was gathering votes AND people were questioning him (for approximately 4 pages). When I started questioning Emo, there nearly no pressure on her, only a couple of questions by Hopkirk, so that statement of yours is quite clearly false.
But you already know that, since you state Hop is not under pressure, but the pressure has shifted to Emo.
Losing interest isn't a scumtell, losing interest without good reason is, to me, at very best, bad play.
That last question was not about RVS at all. She stated that she wanted to see my reaction, and I was curious how a different reaction would have lead to a read one way or another.

Hopkirk was not under pressure, because RVS wagons do not carry to lynch, people were talking about a joke made in RVS, if that turned into an actual wagon then god help me. emo is/was kind of under pressure since she was being grilled, but not really. I said you were pressuring her because she was under the most pressure, which does not mean that it's a sizable amount of pressure at all. Votes =/= pressure.

I am interested in the fact that you love defending your self so much.

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If I was confident this early in my reads, and had two people as a team, I would want to lynch one and see what they flip.

What gave you the idea that I was confident in my reads?

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Even if you are unconfident in your reads you still lynch or try to lynch them to see if you are right.

Except it's early day 1, so no one is getting lynched yet, and I want to pressure other people to develop reads on them.

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I said him and Hopkirk were a scumteam while I was voting Hopkirk and he asked me why and I don't want to answer that cuz I don't want to give him any ideas and so him and perseus jumped down my throat.

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@Grey it was confident enough for you to post, and yet when asked about them you gave no reasoning, said absolutely nothing about it. In fact, you completely dodged Yiley's question. I fail to see the pressure you've put on anyone.

I'm voting Duck and he responded to my points and then I responded to his and now he's talked more and I can develop more of a read on him. That's what my pressure is designed to do at this point.

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I want an answer here. Or do you even have a reason gray? Are you just randomly saying That to make some action or something? Reaction test? Spill it.

As scum it's usually a bad idea to freak out when people say you're scum.

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The-Duck, what have I misrepresented about you? Also on votes =/= pressure here is what I'm talking about. Kind of my fault but I was using pressure to mean two things, let's seperate them as danger and pressure. Amend my original statement votes=/=danger and votes have no relationship to pressure.

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VOTE: Yiley

What are you so confident about? I haven't seen you make a case for anyone this entire game, just getting mad because I called you scum. What is your case on Ald?

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Also emogirl and Slandaar please cut the shit. Make your case and argue for it but do not play the "scum because scum, sheep me please" game.

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My case is I can't see town doing what ald has done. My gut is with it as well. Every time my gut has talked so far it has been right. I am not saying 100% for sure but I am very sure

What has he done that town wouldn't do?

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My case is I can't see town doing what ald has done. My gut is with it as well. Every time my gut has talked so far it has been right. I am not saying 100% for sure but I am very sure

What has he done that town wouldn't do?

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Then explain what you saw that made him scum. The fact that you admit you have nothing besides what emogirl said is bad. Can you give a summary of what she said?

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Hint: It's not only because grey is defending alduskkel by attacking someone weak like yiley.

I'm attacking Yiley because I am suspicious of him, notice how I've been working on him most of the game, that being said, suspicion is waning, just want to see how competent he is. I have ignored your Ald case so far because it is just tunneling.

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@Whoever asked about my Yiley read on page 15: I saw him jumping to defend scummy Hopkirk when he wasn't even in danger, and I read that as noob scum. However, I then thought he was just noob null and looked elsewhere, however typing this gave me an idea.

Yiley has been acting pretty odd, I know he's not very good, but the only person he has addressed this whole game is me after I called him scum. He freaked out and demanded to know why. He kept going and then started the reach game of calling me scum for not explaining why I had a scumread on him.

Also, he is not a reliable vote, he plays self-preservation and hasn't made an insight all game. He's dead weight.

Lastly, if Yiley is scum, Hopkirk is scum. Yiley had a little panic attack when the votes piled on Hopkirk, that's pretty suspicious. No way noob scum would defend a townie like that. Yiley could be town (obviously), but I'm feeling pretty confident in my read right now. Yiley is poison, he is either scum or a reflexive vote, and it's probably scum.

VOTE: Yiley

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Also Ald how about content.

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Not necessarily. If Hopkirk is scum then Yiley is probably scum but not certainly. If Yiley is scum hopkirk is 100% scum and also if Yiley is not scum no loss.

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I won't claim for scum just seeing if he wants me to.

3 questions:

Why would I want you to claim?

Why are you emogirl's bitch?

Why would Hopkirk be clear if you are town?

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More questions:

What is your case for me as scum Yiley?

For emogirl: Lynching bad players is not a scumtell.

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Guess that was actually question and statement.

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Also Yiley's clinginess is kind of town.

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That is Yiley's case?

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That's what I'm asking for, he called me scum in the last few posts though.

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If you're town, null on Hopkirk since your defense of him would've been made without knowledge of his alignment.

I'm pushing you to give reads on players not reveal your role, why the hell would revealing your role help anything?

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jklm/ald scumteam

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jklm/ald scumteam

You think ald is bussing?

seems like decent time to bus. They're both under a lot of pressure, looks like he's trying to save himself, get townpoints on flip.

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actually,
VOTE: Ald

I was ignoring emo's tunnelly push because I was suspicious of her and tunnelling is garbage, but he's then I started to notice all the things he's doing. The non-comittal posts, asking for prods, and then he goes and hops on the other big wagon.

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I would consider an ald lynch.

Vote Ald get off JKLM.

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JKLM: Aldusskel, Hopkirk
Jake from State Farm: Slandaar

Alduskkel: Yiley, iamusername, greygnarl, emogirl123, JKLM

L-2
greygnarl: The-Duck, SonOfZeus
Slandaar: Jake from State Farm
Not Voting: BolteAltamont, PeregrineV

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Interesting how grey still jumps around on all his reads, and is now pushing on the person voted most.

My voting of Yiley was not an actual scumread more me trying to get stuff out of him. Not to say there wasn't some truth behind it, but it was obviously going nowhere and was kind of a reach. Plus, his attachment to emogirl reeks of town. Taking a look at others now, I feel decently confident of the chance of an Ald scumflip as he's been playing a pretty weak/poor game compared to what he's capable of.

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So the wagon on greygnarl is pretty good except JKLM's presence is something of an enigma to me.

Cuz bussing is impossible right?

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VOTE: Slandaar

I know you are smarter than the content you're putting out right now. Jake has shot down your points over and over and you act like it never happened. Please.

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lol wut jake si the one who said you didn't say anything about ald being town, slandaar said you did.

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actually no fuck it

VOTE: ald

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seriously?

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Care to explain where the fuck that came from?

Also, before you get any sheep ideas Yiley I'm at L-1.

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I wanted to go after Slandaar cuz of his constant lying/nottruthing and being proven wrong, but then i REALIZED THERE WASN'T REALLY TIME FOR A WAGON ON HIM AND YOU WERE KIND OF SCUMMY. CAPSD LOCK NO TIME TO RETYPE

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@don RVS wagons very rarely carry to lynch, so voting with a wagon is a way for me t try to develop reads on the one being wagoned since they feel like they are under pressure.

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Your case is that you think I said that your read on me is scum when it is null-scum?

You were the one operating on the assumption that you posting a reads list was alignment related.

It started here

Somehow though this is related to my alignment

???

again you infer that me finding it scummy somehow means it's alignment related

You are trying to suggest I am scummy for my theory which I clearly held before the game began before I had a pm which means it's completely irrelevant to my alignment.

here is where you actually come out and say it (note the bolded because I never called him scum, EVER. In fact the part after the bold actually reinforces what I have been trying to say. Scummy =/= scum yet somehow he isn't getting it.)

but he obviously isn't actually trying to read people and is just taking the easy path of

'anti town is scum'

when the two are completely different things.

again you say/imply that I think your list reads is alignment related

Basically Jake has a problem with posting townreads and even though I have proven I do it all the time he thinks its alignment related

again he says I am using a nulltell as a scumtell (which again is a lie)

the point was always Jake is using something which is null as a scumtell.

I NEVER called him scum, I NEVER said him giving list reads was alignment related.

I DID say that giving list reads was anti-town and because of that he isn't obvious town to me anymore.

I DID say that he is null to slightly scummy

I DID say that scummy does not equal Scum.


He is trying to imply that I am calling him scum for posting a list read and

everybody's voting for you because you suck, hth

Oh really? Well that might be convenient then. I reckon you're town^

Yeah I can't blame anyone for voting for me, I've completely abused this games existence.

He calls I am username town.

Below is his very next post, no where does he call ald town before this post and he doesn't call him town in this post, he votes ald.

1. Still waiting for vote count, I'm refusing to do anything until one, you can policy lynch me for that and I would understand.

That's about it. I will never give reads until Atleast day 3. I don't like to make scums job easy.

I'm town and nothing else, I don't mind sitting as live scum bait so I've simply decided to see how things play out

VOTE: ald

Because I'm lazy and don't care, I don't even remember signing up for this game, you can policy lynch me tomorrow if you want, but town deserves better than a pointless lynch

and below is his next post and he votes Grey and calls ald town.

I love how Ald assumes that I'm scum purely to argue his way of it being impossible for him to be scum since he hates bussing. Him doing something like that is indicative that he isn't scum. Why? I'm town. If he was REALLY scum, he would know that. The fact that his defense relies on me being scum would result in his lynch tomorrow if I were to be lynched. In other words, if he was scum, he would have never said that as scum so he doesn't screw himself over when I flip.

Yay for logic! Although everyone that thinks I'm scum won't beleive me but whatever.

Thanks grey for the vote count, now I can get things off the ground...

Oh look I found scum!
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VOTE: Grey

Please drop the garbage and vote him. Ald is town. Grey isn't. Just read his ISO, it wreaks.

See, jklm never called ald town BEFORE he voted ald thus slandaar just lied.

not bad news to me, I love watching you make a fool out of yourself, and all of this has been discussed by both of us so why you are bring it back up again is beyond me.

oh I remember now, I caught you in a lie and you are trying to cover your tracks.

That's ok I will just go back to ignoring you and quoting your lie until people either lynch you or I annoy them so much they lynch me.

hey everyone slandaar told a boldface lie in an attempt to discredit another player, below is the lie and I have already proved it was. If you want a link to where I did this before slandaar burries it with his smear campaign, please let me know and I will gladly post it.

JKLM calls Ald town then in his next post votes him for no actual reason then hes back to 'Ald is town'

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It's when you pop in the thread as soon as someone mentions your name. Which I really think is a null tell.

what? Also care to explain your L-1 vote?

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yeah but where did the scumread come from? You didn't mention it at all before. You go from Ald being total scum and tunnelling him all day to trying to grab a quick and easy lynch at the end, even though Ald is still a very viable lynch.

yiley stfu

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what even is your question?

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yeah but where did the scumread come from? You didn't mention it at all before.

I did, but that's not the point. I'm on the fence about a lynch of you, Alduskkel, or JLKM. Neither of you three would be a good night kill candidate for scum, making one of you a very good day 1 lynch.

not following that logic

@Yiley my reaction to what?

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the seriously was actually at iamausername not JKLM. He had not mentioned me as a scumread at all and jumped on a big wagon. JKLM whatever, sure. emo I was confused as fuck since Ald was really close to being lynched and then she jumped off.

I was confused about votes being placed on me by people I thought were not retarded and who hadn't expressed interest in lynching me previously. In fact, I am still ocnfused, I have no idea where emo is coming from and iam hasn't psoted since.

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Slandaar cut the shit. You're gonna wait until there's not enough time for us to wagon you.

VOTE: Slandaar

I'm still willing to vote Ald to save myself since I still ahve a kind of scumread on him, but Slandaar has misrepped Jake's argument against so much. Go back and read the back and forth. Slandaar looks like a child, he says the same things over and over even though they're wrong. Think scum wouldn't do that, click the wiki link under my name and read the High Noon game there. I was not a very good arguer, but scum basically shot down everything I said and one by saying the same bullshit over and over. That's what Slandaar is doing here.

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no vote slandaar, jklm is town.

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UNVOTE:

K now we're back to this but Ald has been playing good recently. I'm kind of feeling emo as scum now but no momentum for lynch.

pedit: I just wanted to see how he responded. I wasn't checking whether he was town or scum, just wanted to see what he would say.

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VOTE: slandaar

jklm is so town it hurts

slandaar is scum

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k, but I have noone else I'd feel comfortable lynching except maybe emo.

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actually no just looked at the playerlist again.

VOTE: hopkirk

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Votes by people who don't give a fuck are pointless.

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You guys suck at this game.

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13) Once you die, you're dead. You are allowed one "bah!" post, but no more than one, and it must contain no game related content.