Mini 1591: PFs Flavorless Normal (Game Over)

[farside22]

*Insert non witty rvs*

Renioe: I feel I waste 1 minute of my time opening the spoiler, reading a few lines, going to the bottom and going the point of this post is what?

*waves to pops* long time no see. How's life?

I can tell already sleepy is going to be the annoying one that makes me want to cringe and puke all in one.
Please do not wet on the floor in excitement.

[farside22]

Is cringing and puking simultaneously noteworthy? I typically cringe when I puke. So, why no vote?

It's noteworthy to me.
Still too early to say if it's significant.

Didn't feel like rvs this game.

[farside22]

@sleepy: why do you feel the need to ask both why the need to vote from goofy and why I chose not to rvs?

[farside22]

@sleepy: why do you feel the need to ask both why the need to vote from goofy and why I chose not to rvs?

Helps me know what you're thinking. And so I can ask questions like this:

If you don't feel like doing RVS, why didn't you do something to get us out of it?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: farside

Nothing worth noting or discussing thus far.
What would you suggest to get out of rvs with literally nothing said in game?
Rqs?
Meh it got me nothing but trouble my last game.
Next?

[farside22]

RQS is typically terrible and gets nothing done.
You've been around a long time. I'm sure you know how to get out of RVS. One solution is to place a serious vote. Yay me.

Nope. I typically stay away from rvs till I get reads.

As for serious vote....based on what's been said in this game?
Let's see.
Random vote
Random vote
Question voter
Gross comment vote
Awnser question
Random vote
Gross response
Random vote
Question vote.

Which random vote should I vote seriously?

[farside22]

My vote and push on you are serious.

Duh!

That didn't awnser my question however.

[farside22]

place a serious vote.

OK!

VOTE: SleepyKrew

No, no he's an eager puppy with a new toy.

Why do you think he's scummy?

[farside22]

/serious post re the gross comment vote, happy for the mod to remove it if it has offended. I do apologise if it has too. I sometimes don't know my offensiveness via forum. /end serious post.

No worries. I just pointed it as gross mostly because that was my first reaction reading it.
I'm pretty whatever after the fact.

[farside22]

@ Farside. The guys been on the site for 3 years. How is he an eager puppy with a new toy?

He does read like he's on the spectrum though (that's not an insult, BTW, and is an observation based on his posting style - I have a friend who plays on another site who is on the spectrum and posts in a similar way) which means how he presents is going to be different to how we would assume a player would.

This isn't a defence of his poor questioning either; more his interaction.

Also, glad it didn't offend

I didn't mean to imply he was new.
More like excited to have the game and get it going.
I think of a puppy because it makes it cute instead of annoying. Which now that I remember who sleepy is I will stick with my puppy reference.

[farside22]

VOTE: Konowa

[farside22]

Okay, you can be town for now.

@ Farside. The guys been on the site for 3 years. How is he an eager puppy with a new toy?

He does read like he's on the spectrum though (that's not an insult, BTW, and is an observation based on his posting style - I have a friend who plays on another site who is on the spectrum and posts in a similar way) which means how he presents is going to be different to how we would assume a player would.

This isn't a defence of his poor questioning either; more his interaction.

Also, glad it didn't offend

The whole "appeal to experience" shtick. The whole cheering on the Sleepy wagon while voting reinoe shtick.

unvote;
Vote: Drew-Sta

Can you point to where you 'be seen the shtick before?

[farside22]

The info it gave has already been explained by others, and I ignored your other question because this isn't the Road to Rome and why you Rvs should be known.

I am asking

you

to explain it. Hell, you could just quote someone else explaining it that you agree with. But I want an answer.
Tell my why people RVS.

Because it's the easy thing to do.


You need to move on.

[farside22]

The info it gave has already been explained by others, and I ignored your other question because this isn't the Road to Rome and why you Rvs should be known.

I am asking

you

to explain it. Hell, you could just quote someone else explaining it that you agree with. But I want an answer.
Tell my why people RVS.

Because it's the easy thing to do.


You need to move on.

I wasn't asking you.

The time has past. Way past and I would pl you if you keep the stupid question going.
If you want I can ask nicely to stop.
The rvs is over. What point is of your question to goofy?

[farside22]

Okay, sorry for double post. But skrew... Don't be quick to think that because reinore's posts look dumb that they are scummy and don't have any content. Sparkly hat =/= scum. Like, actually read the game...

@rvs thing, guys it doesn't matter any more. Stop talking about RVS as if it were a player in this game.

Glad I didn't start a drinking game that every time someone says rvs you take a shot.

What's your thoughts on Konowa?

[farside22]

I feel like sk has not read past page 2

[farside22]

Hey cyber bob.

What's you looking for?
Why do you think the rvs question from sk is important to awnser?

As for renioe..he's expectations are a bit high. Not everyone thinks along the same ways. My expectation of some players is typically based on meta then join date.

[farside22]

Also Goofy, no question is too inane in mafia - there is always something that can be read into either the substance or the demeanour of an answer.

Why does sk ignore me when I asked him what the point of the question is? Or why he can't get past page 2.

How about you since you want to call it something.
Why is rvs question important to a person who wanted out of rvs?

[farside22]

Add IAI to the list about people I like.
Should anyone have wondered, Goofy really had not encountered a post with two votes before this game.
Drew's got quite a few finished games, I'll see into this later.

Who beside Konowa is on your scum list.

I'm getting the impression reninoe is asking pointless questions in reference to sleepy's pointless questions.

[farside22]

Before I forget again.

Dessew: what was the point of this?

Claim

Witch Hunter

. (3rd party)
I win if there are no players alive having the pronoun "she". Please cooperate. PF can confirm me.

@mod: Can you please confirm my alignment and role?

VOTE: farside22

Gambit?

[farside22]

Sleepy is ignoring the question from you the only reason for scum reading goofy?

[farside22]

You know let's ask something relevant.

Pops: what are your thoughts on goofy? Do you think the question sk is asking is alignment indictive. As far as the rvs goes? Just to be fair I think the question about goify's read early on sk is more worth pursing.

[farside22]

Sleepy is ignoring the question from you the only reason for scum reading goofy?

He's ignoring the questions from me, and is doing nothing else except making a big show about ignoring the questions from me.

Tell you what I'll be the bigger person for a moment.

goofy has been around if he doesn't come in to post content today I will drop the bitchy remarks and vote for him.

[farside22]

Hey cooldog, farside, and red coyote, how many scum in here...

[konowa, sleepykrew, cyberbob]

Why did you pick those three to ask? Appeal to authority?

(my answer is 1 by the way)

I've played with farside before but can't remember where. RedCoyote I've played with before and he was our MVP as the vig. Cooldog I thought I played with before but I actually don't that's the case.

Also which one do you think is scum of the three?

The game was a take on duck, duck goose and I was bp town that got lynched for not continuing my tunnel scum read on bulb.
1 scum read in that group for me. I'm voting for him.
Not sure about cooldog but sk is the annoying puppy that is going to probably be your tunnel for this game.

[farside22]

IAI's last post smells kind of bad ftr

I some days wonder at some players reasons for voting if I missed some drug binge or the session of people's brain being replaced by mush.

[farside22]

Although its a scum lean, its a 4 post scum lean and I won't support a wagon on someone on V/LA if their return date falls inside the day's time limit.

The way you qualify your position is what I am referring to. Whether or not someone is on V/LA has nothing to do with whether or not you support a wagon. This is different from what you just said now.

What so you think pushing a player on v:la does? He can't defend himself. Typical 12 to 13 players have 3 scum so does pushing a wagon on an absent player accomplish?

[farside22]

For starters, it allows me to get reads on other people. For example, what do you think of this:

I wouldn't start to speculate about Drew's alignment, partly because he's V/LA atm and he hasn't done much, partly because his posts are newbish, nothing else, imo.

Meh. Your talking to a person who doesn't push on a v/la person.
I think the post from Drew can be taken with a simple question.

Also I did ask you a few thing about your reasoning.

here
Also does it bother you another person used you term in this game to find Drew scummy?

[farside22]

I'm referring to this from cyber. I knew someone said something similar.
Here bob uses it as a defense for Drew because of a scum read on sk.

re Drew: I don't think he is scum mainly because at this point I do not think SK is scum. The only scenario where it would make sense that Drewscum would verbally cheer on SK's wagon while voting for you is if you are town and SK is his buddy.

Why do you think sleepykrew's case is not forced, melodramatic, and contradictory?

He's barely made any case at all against you aside from asking questions which have mostly either gone unanswered or have been answered by other people. You started flipping out at him in Post 46 which was before he'd said anything at all about you other than "hey everyone should join my wagon".

[farside22]

Though I think I'll offer a serious scumread on you now because I don't like that catchup post at all

What do you not like in the catch up?

[farside22]

Sleepy is ignoring the question from you the only reason for scum reading goofy?

He's ignoring the questions from me, and is doing nothing else except making a big show about ignoring the questions from me.

Tell you what I'll be the bigger person for a moment.

goofy has been around if he doesn't come in to post content today I will drop the bitchy remarks and vote for him.

[farside22]

Hey farside didn't you say you'd vote Goofy if he kept avoiding?

FTR: I think your rvs question is stupid.

Why do you still scum read him?

[farside22]

Looking back at this, I don't like how defensive this is of Goofy. This is similar to Drew going to bat for SK, although this is less subtle. farside, this implies that you either read Goofy as town, read SK as scum, or both, yeah? Bob also mentioned that he read this as a chainsaw defense of reinoe, and I can agree with that interpretation as well.

Anyway, the question is, why is SK getting under your skin, as this post seems to indicate?

Skrew main question is rvs. In fact if you read he forgot about his second question. This tells me he didn't care about the good question and cares about the rvs. Why? Why is this the straw that needs an awnser so bad it keeps a scum tell on goofy. It's pretty irrational reasoning, especially for what has gone on this game. I am a born tunnel type but even I know people not awnsering a question isn't alignment indictive.
That's my iss with skrew

[farside22]

I wish I could refer to ongoing games.
I sort of feel like I'm good at reading him.

[farside22]

I'm tired of this fucking ad hom. Stop. Just respond to stuff without unnecessary personal attacks.

Anyway that rebuttal was awful and I really don't want to have to waste time countering it so please nobody make me do so

Besides the personal attack why do you not like renioe 's reasoning?

The TL'DR part is he didn't have six scum reads. The 3 he asked about where those he found scummy. The other 3 were lurkers and asking who was scum amount the lurker.

@renioe
Now I'm going to say tone it down. I know I'm frustrated with sleepy on a certain level but some lines are unnecessary here.

[farside22]

I'm waiting for Konowa to get back to me on a few issues, I need to reread a few things but I'll have some reads by Wednesday the lastest.

[farside22]

Now Drew go back and reread 291 and 381 and either vote for reinoe or tell me why I'm wrong.

Because renioe explained here
And here his reasoning.
His thought process and who he thought was scum.

[farside22]

Right, so you have a problem that he has put 2 sets of 3 people into brackets, called them scumreads and you think this is a contradiction... why?

Because he's saying the first set were scumreads and the second set weren't. And he's saying this all after the fact to cover his ass.

Umm did you go back and reread the interaction? If no why? If so please explain why it's faulty.

[farside22]

farside you clearly didn't even read 381.

Clearly you did not read post 295 from Renoie.

[farside22]

Right, so you have a problem that he has put 2 sets of 3 people into brackets, called them scumreads and you think this is a contradiction... why?

Because he's saying the first set were scumreads and the second set weren't. And he's saying this all after the fact to cover his ass.

Umm did you go back and reread the interaction? If no why? If so please explain why it's faulty.

Which interaction specifically?

farside you clearly didn't even read 381.

Clearly you did not read post 295 from Renoie.

381 refutes 295 point by point. If you're going to tell me 381 is wrong, you can't use 295 as the "proof".

No it doesn't.
You make it clear you didn't read the interaction that renioe discussed in 295
Example of what renioe stated in 295 that you did not reread.

I was not scumreading innocent, goofy, or pops here. I was challenging Cyberbob to point out which among these three "semi-lurkers" were scum. I know you weren't paying attention at the time but Cyber declined to mention how many or whom were scum btw. I know, I know, you weren't paying attention and you missed that part.

Now go back reread your 381 and tell how renioe's interaction as stated doesn't make sense.

[farside22]

ugh
I'm not saying that that's a lie. I think that part is as truthful as scum can be.
I'm saying that it's not reasonable for him to assume that people would know the first set were "scumreads" and the second set were just a question for Cyberbob.

That doesn't make him scum.
If being unreasonable is a scum trait please lynch every stubborn player in this game.
Goofy stubborn unreasonable
You stubborn unreasonable
Renioe stubborn unreasonable
Me always stubborn and unreasonable.
Not a scum trait.

[farside22]

It seems as though this day is down to drew and rei and it seems like nothing will stop it. I lean scum for them both, but if either was town I feel as though town would benefit more from rei not being here tomorrow. I'm going to have to reread this cluster fuck and try to separate points from shit slinging.

Because you are one of my scum reads, and if you're town you are so incredibly anti town that I don't care, VOTE: reinoe

Why is Drew a scum read?

[farside22]

CD you were already voting reinoe :/

farside
I'm not saying he's scum for being stubborn
I'm giving up on you and hopefully I don't need you so idc

Oh good I can put you on ignore now.

You= Unreasonable.

I'll be back with more tomorrow. I'm wittling my town read and scum read list down with skrew's back and forth actually helped a bit with one read I was troubled on.

[farside22]

I feel it will tell us more about drew to see your flip, rather than more about you to see his, it's possible to establish possible connections before flips but hey, you can keep flailing if you makes you feel better.

Giant annoying picture of a flail! , oh wait, it's so obvious that you are that it's not necessary.

Why is Drew specifically scummy for hard defending renioe.

Also after I was done with Austin powers mafia I'm pretty done with hard defense of a scum read = scum. I suggesting reading the game. People thought I was scum defending shos and I thought jake was scum defending a scum read.

[farside22]

VOTE: Goofy

Please explain the scum read on Drew to saying that no mater Renoie's flip Drew is town.

[farside22]

Goofy: please let me know how I should interpret this post?

Defending a scum read is scummy, day 1 or 5. I know you have no choice but to fight it, but try doing so in a way that makes sense.

Like I said, the flip will help us more with drew, than Drews would with rei.

If rei flips scum drew could be mistaken town, but if so we at least hit one.

If rei flips town it is good for drew unless he's taking a huge risk as scum defending the loudest of town's scum read.

If we went for drew and he flipped town we might back off on rei assuming drew was right and letting rei skate to the end.

Seeing as how town has been binary for the last 4 or 5 pages, this is what made my vote.

[farside22]

I didn't say that, rei did, if rei is scum then we lynch drew and either nail a pairing or at least get 1, if rei is town then Drews lynchability falls into question for being correct, please read over my post with the logic carefully rather than taking rei's misinterpretation as fact.

Now your damning Drew with either flip.
Renioe flip town he's questionable scum, if Renoie scum he's scum with Renoie.

[farside22]

I left the logic of them both flipping scum out because I assumed that people would know what partner lynching was out of the road.

You sure can misinterpret far, what each person pulls from the flip will be up to them, saying his lynchability would be in question mean if reinoe is town then a case can be made that drew is, then we are mistaken and move on.

If we go for drew first the WIFOM would impossible, but if rei first, since drew was defending, we can actually use information from the flip.

I'm trying to see how you mistook that farside22, but it's not jumping out at me.

It reads like no matter how Renoie flips you still see Drew scum.
Are you saying it doesn't matter how Renoie flips now?

I'm asking what you think.

[farside22]

If rei is not scum there are 2 possibilities, drew is scum with a very risky play, or drew is correct and town.

If that happens I will discuss the risky play with town, but lean town.

However I believe rei will flip scum, and drew will flip scum buddy.

Thank you

Vote Konowa

[farside22]

Sorry just saw replacement name

[farside22]

Doesn't hurt renioe and I have a history either.
But let's review the comment from Renoie about the bracket.
Currently I'm busy at work and in regards to him asking about the 3 players of skrew's, Konowa and (sorry I don't remember who was the third name) I know Renoie was scum reading skrew's. There should be no doubt about that to anyone in this game.
After I get out of work I will dive into this game to research and review a few things.
Right now off the top of my head I thought cooldog switch from skrew's to renioe was a bit going after low hanging fruit junk and rc I just felt myself scratch my head. More gut then anything.

[farside22]

Reinoe's case is overblown as hell...

Stopped reading here.

You're demanding a flawless case based on page two information. Before I accuse you of being sleepykrew's scum buddy, I would like to know: what do you think of the case on Drew-sta?


Hey cooldog, farside, and red coyote, how many scum in here...

[konowa, sleepykrew, cyberbob]

Here you go for reference. He was definitely "scumreading" me. He hadn't mentioned Konowa to that point. This is also (I think) the first post he mentions Cyberbob in, and in this post he implicitly says that he may or may not scumread bob depending on how bob answers a question.

Im not sure how you don't infer renioe see's you and cyber as scum. The only unclear on this post is Kowana, I thought he said something after the fact that had nothing to do with sheeping.

Also I'm still unclear if you think renioe was calling 6 players scum when 3 of the list was cleared on interaction?


@renioe: listen little boy, I'm only going to ask this once. Stop being a jerk and answer the questions asked. The snarky, shitty comments from you need to stop and all it does is piss people off and cause strife in the game. I gave a town read on you, but your actions are anti-town.
Put in your big boy pants and be civil.

[farside22]

Skrew in regards to my comment to renioe:)1: I'm busy 2) I noted the vote count
3) he's is being worse about it at this point.
Yes worse then dick comments.
All 3 pretty much factor into why now.

Ugh where did Renoie claim he was waiting for cyber bob?

[farside22]

If he was actually scumreading Cyberbob, I don't think he would have said "I'll hold off on scumreading you until I see your answer to this", which I am contending he implicitly did.

I tried to look for this from renioe but I really need to go. Please quote where this was.

[farside22]

Ah.

Renioe : why did you say before I accuse you of being skrew's scum buddy to cyber bob? But still list him as scum?

[farside22]

There is no protown reason to conceal a scumread right now. Are you or are you not scumreading RC?

There is a few post and one in spoiler from renioe where he talks about rc.

By the people spoilers do confuse others. Use them wisely.

[farside22]

I feel lik a ref trying not to throw a red card.

Renoie: Skrew didn't lie, his wording was off. Also, multi-ball? Seriously with 3 scum listed?

[farside22]

There is no protown reason to conceal a scumread right now. Are you or are you not scumreading RC?

There is a few post and one in spoiler from renioe where he talks about rc.

By the people spoilers do confuse others. Use them wisely.

Yeah it was after that post that I began asking him. I am confused be your second sentence!

I've seen Drew and renioe use spoilers, it doesn't help the game.

[farside22]

Last one.

Renoie: the no duh I already know the answer question from skrew's:
Are you scum reading rc?
Yes or no please.

[farside22]

Skrew : only one scum read? Do you have a right to complain?

I'm joking, the number of reads is not here or there I'm just punchy and went to the restroom so I could get an awnser. This whole exchange makes me glad I have only one child.

Back to work

[farside22]

Beck: hiz
My vote was on Kowana because he vote for Renoie , comes back and says it wasn't serious, then tala about Drew's post towards me as a sthick he never explained why it was scummy. Since the he didn't post much and the replaced out.
I'm also down to 3 scum reads and 2 null.
Not shabby considering the game noise.

Scum: beck, red coyote and cooldog.

[farside22]

So he said it wasn't serious which implies reaction test. Protown

Lurking/ replacing is null, though if this really is 20 pages of fighting I don't blame anyone for replacing out.

The part about Drew I got nothing for you but I'll say null.

Seems like a policy lynch vote personally.

Can I hear your reasons why red/ cool are scummy?

Thanks.

oh boy this is not going to be a fun game is it?

Page 2

Spoiler:

personally don't like SK's vote on farside in post 26, he basically votes her for not trying to get the game out of rvs but imo the game has to progress naturally

farside's response back looks good.

don't really like SK's response to reinoe's reasonless vote. imo that vote shouldn't matter to him if he is town.

Drew's post 37 is actually a good post because SK isn't a new player. I don't understand what "on the spectrum" means

post 38 - so reinoe's vote wasn't actually serious?

post 42 - HH has been a bad and good guy

post 47 - SK is right, reinoe is trying to keep the game in RVS

Page 3

Spoiler:

Don't really like Dess's entrance, sure it was a joke but looks a little misogynistic to me.

not really liking farside's vote on my slot, that looked like a reactionary vote like I have seen other players do.

I don't agree with pop's assessment of konowa's vote. he talks about motive but he has no idea what konowa's motive was as no motive was given. To me it looked like something I would do, bandwagon vote for reactions. The only thing I wished konowa would have done is vote farside instead of drew. That is what I would have done.

Page 4

Spoiler:

this entire page made me bang my head against the desk. I have to get back to work but if this game is 18 pages of sk/reinoe fighting, i'm going to lose my motivation real fast. regardless of the alignment of you two, these kind of back and forth arguments that take over the entire game only hurt town's chances at winning because it allows the other scum to hang in the background.

I will try and read more at lunch.

Reaction test scummy or town? I can't say between your defense of those actions and what you wrote in the spoiler which.

[farside22]

Also I promise to get a case tonight about rc/ cd.

That take more then the few minutes I can sneak at work to do right now.

[farside22]

So he said it wasn't serious which implies reaction test. Protown

To me it looked like something I would do, bandwagon vote for reactions. The only thing I wished konowa would have done is vote farside instead of drew. That is what I would have done.

not sure where you are confused farside, i call 1 pro town and then the other I say that is something I would do aka protown

so they both imply protown behaviour. the ONLY thing I would have done differently was vote you not drew.

Sorry I saw don't like the vote and would vote back as something you see scummy.
My selective reading is my worst quality,

[farside22]

Okay my confusion is cleared.
Reactionary vote and reaction vote? Is there a difference?

[farside22]

Yeah my typing was messed to there. I was trying to say that the vote was trying to get reactions. I suck at English / grammar

Oh joy. This game will be full of bad grAmmar and spelling and it will not be just me!

I'm going to do something crazy

VOTE: RC

That can sit till tonight case.

[farside22]

Everyone forgets about Goofy. I'll do this in the next post (in an hour or so.)
I still think that SK v reinoe is TvT.
Replacing is not scummy, let us not be ridiculous.
Beck: that role was used in math camps, in open setups, so it actually was keeping girls in the game. Actually, it was the exact intent of creating such role.
In the meanwhile, I'm very much interested in Beck's catch-up posts.
Do you know the feeling when you really want to ask someone something but it'd be anti-town af? (rhetorical question)

Sometimes I still ask and don't care and sometimes I don't. Depends if I really want an awnser.

I agree the argument between the two read tvt.

Getting out of work in minus 3 hours. God I hate work. Sorry I need to gripe somewhere.

[farside22]

I'm doing my best to catchup, hopefully I will be caught up soon. I realize I can't comment on everything I want to or that will fill another 2 pages so I will try to respond to what I feel is pertinent.

and even though it's a rhetorical question, a townie should never be afraid to do anything based on how they would be perceived

The mod lynch mentality I've noticed being really bad, worse then I remember, typically keeps some questions I have at bay. When I mean bad it's holy crap lynch anti-town question and don't think or ask anything about it.
That's why I made my crack handed out or brains reduced to mush comment.

[farside22]

Mod should be mob in post 589.

Will read post of horror when I get home too.

[farside22]

Dear lord.
Skrew: every time anyone points to a disagreement with you, I swear I keep seeing the same links over and over.
Give me someone else you scum read outside of renioe.

[farside22]

Dear lord.
Skrew: every time anyone points to a disagreement with you, I swear I keep seeing the same links over and over.
Give me someone else you scum read outside of renioe.

What's wrong with using those same links? They're the heart of my argument.
Like I've said, and I know you're aware that I said this, reinoe is my only scumread. I've got some suspicions on others but nothing worth pushing yet.

And I told you why I disagreed and you just ignored me?
You've ignored it all to continue the same issue repeatedly.

Do I believe the multi-ball comment.
No.
Is that enough to say hey Renoie is scum.
No.
I really feel like you don't care why people disagree.
That is not scummy it's stubborn.
Next you have scum reads that are light and you don't want to share but expect everyone to express there views openly, no that is unjustified hypocrisy at this point.

[farside22]

Just to clarify.
I never really explained my scum read of Renoie.
Renoie posted a reason he stated in game.
I'm not sure how this post does anything for me.

Hmm...your reads tend to be pretty good.

VOTE: Konowa

Tell me how this

isn't

sheeping farside. Anyone can play.

The entire argument from (5 pages back I think) was sheeping THE REASON FOR A VOTE, NOT Sheeping a vote. These are two different things.

Holy Arthur The Aardvaark. Like these are important differences and your "GIGANTIC SCUMTELL OF DOOM" hinges on the fact that you handwave away the differences.

201 is not saying "You and I have both independently scumread Konowa. Cool!" It's saying "you're good and I'll believe you".

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Ugh.
Sorry I meant I never explained my scum read of Kowana

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I'm really starting to lose it.

Renoie: humor me for a moment and ISO pops and tell me what you see.

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I'm really starting to lose it.

Renoie: humor me for a moment and ISO pops and tell me what you see.

Are you requesting post by post analysis or overall tone of the ISO?

I'm at work with a dying phone and I'm not sure if I remember something correctly, post by post please.

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I'm letting my phone die for this.

Pops;
Can you explain why you have the view here and the argument between Renoie/Skrew.

Pop started out by adding fluff to his posts maybe in some lighthearted attempt to lighten up the start of the game, or maybe to add more perceived content. Since then Pop hasn't contributed a lot of personal reads, rather than a line here or there about the current conversation, and a tunnel on someone who has posted 4 times rather than looking elsewhere while you wait for them to post seems like you either stick to your guns and ignore the rest of the scum(poor town play), or you legitimately think that you can get the target mislynched(scum). I'd like to see your reaction to this thought and how you

I just wanted to get people talking about a lynch with strong merits instead of discussing sleepykrew and reinoe's blind pillowfightings. It seemed like a better catalyst for the development of the daygame. I felt seeing people's reactions to that sort of wagon had more value. RC's lackluster response to the topic has cast much more doubt on him than which of his favorite pillows he roots for, for instance

IAI, Redcoyote can be hard to read, but I'm getting a lack of initiative from him today that is pretty scummy, especially given his meta.

I have yet to play with Red, care sharing the points of his meta you are referring to here?

He usually makes a couple keen observations. He doesn't necessarily crack the whole lobster open and pick the scummeat out day one, but he'll ask a question that seems wise to ask, or be proactive in some other way.
He and IAI are fighting for second place on my list right now.

When I read Beck post "If this game is 18 pages of reinoe and SK fighting I'm going to lose motivation", it resonated a little bit. I've had trouble digging into this game, and that's a big part of why. The spat between the two of them has gone a long, long, time. I've seen pretty big town on town spats. But I've never seen such a protracted one of this, that goes on and on.

At first I thought neither was scum, but the amount of filth they have filled the thread with has left me doubtful. There'd be more mutual interest in letting things drop for a moment for the good of the town.

I've had a gut town read on reinoe for a long time due to his carefree nature, but a null read on sleepy. Belligerence is cloudy to me. My gut doesn't tell me much about him, but my head realizes that there is a defensive component to his nagging, repetitive, cyclical desire to be right and to be identified as the "victor" of the engagement with reinoe, which has survivalist qualities to it. Reinoe doesn't seem to care as much, at least to me.

Vote: SleepyKrew

Then you scum read Skrew. What happened with rc scum read and iai?

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Post by post probably won't be completed until after work.

My post 616 covers my issue with pops currently.

9% phone battery, woot!
And just over 30 min left of work.
Good day.

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Question for the entire town:Anyone can answer...

1)what are your thoughts on SleepyKrew having one scumread?

2)What are your thoughts on SleepyKrew frequently neglecting to answer questions from several players but asking people to answer his questions?

My answer to both: frustrating

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I'm starting with red coyote scum read

post 75

Lots of useless questions and the vote based on dessew didn't not come across as a reason to vote Drew.

this post
what rc stated earlier
Basically he thought bob was tying too much together, then uses bobs point to springboard off of making a point.

I also don't get why goofy prideful and definent can't be applied to Renoie as well

not sure why red has it in his head the whole scum team would be on the same wagon

stream of comments don't match goes from scum read to town read of Drew based on one post? Seriously?


Short reason pretty much sheep reading, not giving his own opinions to just let's sit here and keep my vote all warm and toasty. He's riding the low approach.
Don't see why he thinks those vote on Konowa would all be scum.

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Scum typically need to fabricate reasons for scumreads...

Or they sheep and give no views what's so ever that is original.

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The next person who makes a good case I may just sheep at this point if all I get is silence

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Definitely scum of some sort but not necessarily a team: RedCoyote, goofydood, Cooldog.
could be scum: Konowa's slot.

So I've take it you've done your ISOing?

You ever going to discuss your scum reads outside Renoie?

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A day later here is why I see cooldog scum

this post makes no sense
Why would you have a neutral read on a player that has made a point you like and vote for the same player they did?

posting style not scummy

vague why is it suddenly looking scummy

why was the question scummy now and not when you awnsered one and second the other 3 reads was directed to cyber bob so

no seriously sk is scum but let's sheep him now

Who the flark thinks renioe/Skrew scum team?

awful cooldog had like renioe, even saw promise in Renoie's post but now because another player defends Renoie they are scum together.

Cooldog: when was the last game you saw scum defend scum strongly and please link it.

a touch?

my pot this is kettle pic is gone but what cooldog says to Drew is how I feel cooldog did between Skrew and renioe.
Except cooldogs not really asking questions or pushing a case.


And in short.
Scum reads on two players that he find scummy and sitting there till one gets lynched.

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Definitely scum of some sort but not necessarily a team: RedCoyote, goofydood, Cooldog.
could be scum: Konowa's slot.

So I've take it you've done your ISOing?

You ever going to discuss your scum reads outside Renoie?

What other scumreads? The ones that I'm not interested in pursuing because I don't feel strongly? The reasoning for those has also been posted by other people and I don't want to be seen as sheeping, because sheeping reasons is scummy.

If that was try I feel more people would be voting red with my case.

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Definitely scum of some sort but not necessarily a team: RedCoyote, goofydood, Cooldog.
could be scum: Konowa's slot.

So I've take it you've done your ISOing?

You ever going to discuss your scum reads outside Renoie?

What other scumreads? The ones that I'm not interested in pursuing because I don't feel strongly? The reasoning for those has also been posted by other people and I don't want to be seen as sheeping, because sheeping reasons is scummy.

Do you really believe sheeping reasons is scummy or are you just saying that?

Calling sheeping reads scummy is stupid. I was pretty obviously making a joke. If you (the reader) don't get the joke, you need to reread.

Yup that desire to give two ducking shit about you is pretty done now.

Vote: cooldog

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I feel like a slacker in 3rd place with post.

Also beck hit my issue in one shot.

Changing reads can happen, changing reads and agreeing with the person you were scum reading is like, what?

Checking comments from cooldog next.

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vague why is it suddenly looking scummy

pretty damn clear to me. Instead of analyzing what is happening now in the game SK was trying ot hold the game back to waste time and too look like he was producing content. Read better.

I was asking about Renoie. As for Skrew that hasn't changed from the start and still describes skrew's play.

why was the question scummy now and not when you awnsered one and second the other 3 reads was directed to cyber bob so

I can answer a question and still think it is a stupid question. It benefits the town most for me to answer it and then call it scummy instead of just calling it scummy. Also, this was the first time he asked me and it was all people I had mentioned inmy post so I thought he was actually asking what I thought about them. Not the trying to pick out who was with him or against him bullshit that it was later revealed to be.

no seriously sk is scum but let's sheep him now

That not true.
You answered Renoie here
Not scummy.

Who the flark thinks renioe/Skrew scum team?

the reads are independent. Possibility of buss is also a possibility in any world. But my read on SK has changed. And again, wrong =/= scum and scum =/= wrong.

awful cooldog had like renioe, even saw promise in Renoie's post but now because another player defends Renoie they are scum together.

Cooldog: when was the last game you saw scum defend scum strongly and please link it.

Every fucking mafia game ever. Refernce to your last comment where you asked about who was on what scum team. Association tells are strong man. Also, this is having it both ways.
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Why did your read on Skrew change?
Nice dodge on my link request. Are you saying you reference a game of scum defending?

a touch?

Yup.

my pot this is kettle pic is gone but what cooldog says to Drew is how I feel cooldog did between Skrew and renioe.
Except cooldogs not really asking questions or pushing a case.

HOw, I don't undersatnd. I'm not hard core defending anyone. I said reinoe was null, possibly town. Then that changed and I went for him. Sleepy I said was scum and now I think he is more in the null area. In neither of these cases do I defend him. Read better.

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Fair enough.

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Sorry mod can you fix that post?

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Skrew:
I get the impression you don't really listen to your own views.
So I put this together just for you.

What other scumreads? The ones that I'm not interested in pursuing because I don't feel strongly? The reasoning for those has also been posted by others.

There is no protown reason to conceal a scumread right now.

Also heard this song and thought of you.

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The top should read I dont think Skrew reads anyone's views but my listen to his own.

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Yeah, sorry, I'm here. I've been reading the thread but it's been hard to find the motivation to post since farside is being useless as shit and reinoe is still scum and everybody that isn't voting for him appears to be quite set in their ways. I really can't understand how the hell SK is still managing to draw the ire of half the fucking playerlist.

I don't want to replace out, I told myself when I started this game that I was committed and I still am, but it's hard when right now I can't see this game ending in anything but a scum win over a town that deserves to lose.

How am I useless?

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The former. You do post a lot but so does reinoe and farside has barely touched on him except to dismiss the case against him in a couple of words, I think it was due to meta or something (lol).

Maybe you could explain why Renoie is scum? Not meta by the way I actually explain skrew's flaws in his case so???

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Yeah, sorry, I'm here. I've been reading the thread but it's been hard to find the motivation to post since farside is being useless as shit and reinoe is still scum and everybody that isn't voting for him appears to be quite set in their ways. I really can't understand how the hell SK is still managing to draw the ire of half the fucking playerlist.

I don't want to replace out, I told myself when I started this game that I was committed and I still am, but it's hard when right now I can't see this game ending in anything but a scum win over a town that deserves to lose.

How am I useless?

You're voting for CoolDoG (a wagon that isn't going to happen today) while spending most of your time pointlessly arguing with SK. You've been arguing with him since pretty much right at the start of the day, what has it achieved?

Town reads. Hopping to stop a tunneler and have him think logically.
Do you think it should be just Skrew or renioe?
Why will cooldog not happen?

The former. You do post a lot but so does reinoe and farside has barely touched on him except to dismiss the case against him in a couple of words, I think it was due to meta or something (lol).

Maybe you could explain why Renoie is scum? Not meta by the way I actually explain skrew's flaws in his case so???

Reinow is scum because he relies on bombast and melodrama to try and make cases where cases don't exist and because he doesn't pay attention to the game. Look at his posting in the immediate aftermath of this rather spectacular failure - he basically gives up and starts posting a bunch of non sequitur stuff until some other people start posting and he realises that yes, this town is indeed dumb enough not to lynch him.

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I'll stick a pin in this. I have to look at it and phone posting with links looking is a pain

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Cyber bob: I'm not sure why not double checking things and accusing the wrong player = scum.
I mean you just accused me of using meta to defend renioe and that was false. Why didn't you double check what I said?
You know why? People are lazy and human. They think they remember something and don't verify things stated.

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Cyberbob: Who besides renioe do you have a scum read on?

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Cyber bob: I'm not sure why not double checking things and accusing the wrong player = scum.

If you don't see why failing to pay attention is scummy then I guess I don't know what to say really.

So your false statement about me defending renioe on meta should be look at as scummy.
Good to know.

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Cyberbob: Who besides renioe do you have a scum read on?

Goofy.

Cyber bob: I'm not sure why not double checking things and accusing the wrong player = scum.

If you don't see why failing to pay attention is scummy then I guess I don't know what to say really.

So your false statement about me defending renioe on meta should be look at as scummy.
Good to know.

I said "I think due to meta or something", I know you brought up meta a whole bunch at the very least but I wasn't sure if you'd actually done much else because quite honestly your posts are hard to follow at the best of times (let alone when you're in full swing arguing with SK).

Cyber bob: I'm not sure why not double checking things and accusing the wrong player = scum.

If you don't see why failing to pay attention is scummy then I guess I don't know what to say really.

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If you'll just read my post you'll see that I did in fact "pay attention" to those posts, I just had issues deciphering their meaning and figuring out what exactly you were saying. I mean I would have thought there was a difference between doing that and simply not reading at all but who am I to pass judgement on these things

I debunked skrew's points against renioe based on skrew's case.
What part confused you?
I did not use meta as a defense. I stated I knew Renoie and felt I was good at reading renioe, that's a statement, not a defense.
The difference is pretty big.

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These were my comments to Skrew about his issues against Renoie.

I'm tired of this fucking ad hom. Stop. Just respond to stuff without unnecessary personal attacks.

Anyway that rebuttal was awful and I really don't want to have to waste time countering it so please nobody make me do so

Besides the personal attack why do you not like renioe 's reasoning?

The TL'DR part is he didn't have six scum reads. The 3 he asked about where those he found scummy. The other 3 were lurkers and asking who was scum amount the lurker.

@renioe
Now I'm going to say tone it down. I know I'm frustrated with sleepy on a certain level but some lines are unnecessary here.

Now Drew go back and reread 291 and 381 and either vote for reinoe or tell me why I'm wrong.

Because renioe explained here
And here his reasoning.
His thought process and who he thought was scum.

Neither mentions meta.

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Cyber: please link where I used someone's case and I used meta as a reason to debunk the case

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These were my comments to Skrew about his issues against Renoie.

I'm tired of this fucking ad hom. Stop. Just respond to stuff without unnecessary personal attacks.

Anyway that rebuttal was awful and I really don't want to have to waste time countering it so please nobody make me do so

Besides the personal attack why do you not like renioe 's reasoning?

The TL'DR part is he didn't have six scum reads. The 3 he asked about where those he found scummy. The other 3 were lurkers and asking who was scum amount the lurker.

@renioe
Now I'm going to say tone it down. I know I'm frustrated with sleepy on a certain level but some lines are unnecessary here.

Now Drew go back and reread 291 and 381 and either vote for reinoe or tell me why I'm wrong.

Because renioe explained here
And here his reasoning.
His thought process and who he thought was scum.

Neither mentions meta.

I don't care about that weird "lists of scum" stuff, that's all been SK. I think reinoe is scum because of his early game antics pushing a case on SK out of thin air and because of his reaction after he made that big fuckup. What do you think about those two things?

It null.
Can I tell you a story here for why it's null ?

One day not to long ago there was a crazy person that claimed scum from the start and was scum.
There was also a crazy person who claimed a cop role and there was a cop in that game. The person who faked claim was town.
So when I see crazy and stupid stuff it's null tiki I see what else the player does.

As for pushing the case on Skrew. I felt it was pretty over the top push and initially I did not like Renoie in regards to his points. But he came back and explained what he saw from Skrew it basically became two people both pushing shit reasons at that point.
As for the fuck up I know I don't look at everything and I just proved to you that my points against renioe was not meta but you want to hold on to it as though I did for some reason .
Stubborn?

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Just a reminder.

The former. You do post a lot but so does reinoe and farside has barely touched on him except to dismiss the case against him in a couple of words, I think it was due to meta or something (lol).

Not meta.

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Cyber: please link where I used someone's case

That would be rather hard as I never said you did anything of the sort?

and I used meta as a reason to debunk the case

Doesn't hurt renioe and I have a history either.

Just a reminder.

The former. You do post a lot but so does reinoe and farside has barely touched on him except to dismiss the case against him in a couple of words, I think it was due to meta or something (lol).

Not meta.

Stubborn.

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Meh I lean town on mr. Stubborn there.

Renoie: if push came to shove I'd let that lynch on you happen and vote for you.
My desire of trying to make cases is a bit on the low side.

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Well there's 5 days left.
Beck and pops need to get there buts in here and I want to reevaluate 2 players

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Small request.
I'm phone posting if you want a response from me a small post is a lot easier to work on.

@rc: in regards to post 748

In other words you're saying reinoe is an "easy lynch"?

Based on his actions, yes.
Let's say for giggles you read a player as a vi and saw someone attacking the derp, what is your reaction?

It has nothing to do with what we infer or not, farside. I don't care if reinoe suspected all three of those players or he didn't. He's saying that he has "super secret" reasons for all these scumreads that he decided to keep to himself and not post. Then when you come along and vote, he blantantly sheeps you. This completely flies in the face with the crap attack he made against me.

And? No seriously your sheeping reads and calling a player scummy for sheeping.
I again point out I never made a case and renioe explained his scum read on Kowana.

I asked three questions. One of them, admittedly, was fluff, but the other two were important and I followed up on.

So you think it's okay for Drew (or anyone else) to answer on behalf of another player on D1?

Which questions were important?
Mmmmm I have a pretty big don't awnser questions not directed to you, but some questions I respond to for many reasons. Example I think a question is stupid and pointless.

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Rc: I may have missed something in your big post, let me know if I did.

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I missed the great case cooldog presented. Did anyone else see it?
Just curious since he called my cases bad, what a good case supposedly looks like.

My brain has checked out. My son is watching the fairly odd parents live action movie.
Painful.

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Rc:

farside's interpretations of this game are completely bonkers. I want to hold to the idea that she's just really far out there, but it is growing increasingly hard to do that. I'm glad you agree at least that the case is bad because I consider you to be as impartial a player as we've got given that you've spent most of your time going after Goofy (and I have been vocally against that).

You are not sheeping? No seriously please explain how my interpretation is bothers?
I'm sorry I can't call your case shit, bonkers or wrong, since you didn't make one.

You know how dishonest this is? I hadn't even made a real post since SK said this. But to answer his allegation, I have since learned that townies are not allowed to have more than one scumread in this game. If a player dares to think outloud about having more than one scumread, the player incurs the wrath of reinoe, Drew and farside.

How dare I question your reads. I thought we were playing mafia?
Is this the board game room and not the werewolf room? (Any gamer worth there salt should get the reference)

You are. I'm firmly in SK's camp on this one, and I don't care to even try to hide that pretense any longer. He's been attacked by you unjustly. I wouldn't have handled it the way he has, but I can't pretend to act as though y'all are equally culpable when I find the things you say to be dishonest and sometimes mean-spirited. I have seen no such things come out of SK's posts. I think he's been earnestly trying to figure this game out, as have I. You have not.

What post were dishonest?

Granted, my reaction would be as yours is somewhat, but I would be more indifferent to the attack than I would be willing to hold the game hostage as you seem to be. I could understand you not seeing him as scum, but I can't understand you fighting for him as hard as you have. At the very least you should concede that myself/SK/Bob have made some fair points against him, even if you don't agree.

I have talked with sk about why I find his reasons faulty that he's asked everyone about. I talked with bob.
Unlike you I've pointed to reasons I disagree.
And I've stated I'd lynch Renoie if push came to shove. Is there a reason I can't push who I think is scum?

I'm not "sheeping reads". I used Bob's inital point as a springboard at one time, yes, but I then saw reinoe confusing his reads with abandon and reinoe contradict himself in his attack on me in such a way that I was very comfortable in my scumread of him.

Further, even if I admit to "sheeping", reinoe was the one that started this ball rolling by coming after me for "sheeping" whilst doing it himself in voting Konowa.

Using someone's idea to vote sheeping.
I voted with no ducking reason stated. Renoie made his own ducking case. That is a big difference don't you think?

You missed me calling out your accusation of me listing my scumreads at an early stage of the game. That was me being honest and giving my opinions of the game, not something that I was committed to for life. You interpreted it wrongly, parrotting Drew's opinion, and I thought it was unfair of you to do that.

I just thought the scum reads were weird. It's like you took random people and put them together with no real reason. I didn't even remember Drew calling you out. I tend to zone out on long post unless I see my name.

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Skrew is growing on me properly.

Why? And if you're so concerned about character assassination, what do you think about reinoe wrt me?

Using someone's idea to vote sheeping.
I voted with no ducking reason stated. Renoie made his own ducking case. That is a big difference don't you think?

"farside's reads are usually pretty good"

You know not reading the game in full is a scum tell. Go talk to bob about that. In the mean time I was referring to this;

Actually Reinoe, why vote Konowa? When IAI said 1, I assumed they ment one of the 3, not the first listed. Any further reasoning?

You're absolutely right that there was a lack of conviction to my reinoe vote. I hadn't actually read anything at that point.

Then why say "yep" as if you're agreeing to something?
I was scum-reading konowa for commenting on the game while voting. OK initially I thought it was RVS. But then the explaination provided in 72 doesn't make any sense. Apparently it wasn't an RVS. Why would you vote "without conviction"? If Konowa had just said it was an rvs vote then that would make a lot of sense.

Also I'm basing some of my Vote switch with farside's vote. Her reads tend to be good from what I've seen.

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Sirry for the snark. I've been saying at least 3 times that renioe had his own case on Konowa and I don't get why I have to repeat myself.

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I don't know when that emote was put in but I'm glad it was. It's been my crutch this game

I think I use it at least once a game.

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vote: cooldog

Explain why please.

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As Beck pointed out neighbor doesn't mean town, and even the wiki says that most neighborhoods contain one scum. Sucks to see what felt like and could still be a good lynch get stopped.

The tracker crumb seems like it could have been a happy accident for you, as the neighbor one was drastic and risky, this one is just normal speech.

Also in a game with this many people who post sporadically, this would have been more town beneficial if you came out a couple of day ago to ensure we beat the deadline.

Out of curiosity what is your thought on dessew?

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Someone remind me, because I can't remember did deewser attack goofy? I thought it was Drew because I keep getting those two confused in my head based on there names starting with d and my phones desire to auto correct deewser name

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(Assuming you are talking about me.)
I wouldn't call it attacking, but a huge portion of my posts have been about Goofy.
You can call me just Des or Dess or something like that.

How do you feel about renioe both private topic and game wise?

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Cooldog feels like a weak lynch. Beck would be a better lynch just standing on Konowa's post record alone. Would enough people go for that?

Why does it seem weak? I mean you had him as null. I'm just waiting for a what do you see/think?
Also you have a town read on Renoie. Do you think scum was on that wagon?

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Cd: omgus is showing.
Nope case is good. You changed reads for lirtle reason and sat there.
Now your asking why Renoie claimed? Seriously why the fuck should he not claim?
Oh joy wifom time on why Drew is scum.
Case sucks ass cd.

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Seriously, are people reading this?

vote:drew
If he flips scum we lynch dessew. Drew/dessew scum team where drew decided to defend reinoe for town points. Seems legit.

In post 816, RedCoyote wrote:
I'm happy to lynch Drew, but if reinoe is strongly against it, I'll give him some leadership capital here

Why? What because he was wagoned? That isn't a valid reason.

Also, farside as a darkhorse scum person for asking a bunch of red-herring questions.

Votes me, but claims the wagon on me is poor. WTF?

Cd is talking about Renoie in this sentence.

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pop's analysis of the way my wagon built up is true... scum are on it.

almost every wagon I have ever seen, including scum wagons, scum is on it so it's not like he provided some crazy insight or anything

yeah, I know. I'm just telling you guys that scum are def on dis wagon. Taking into consideration how hard other wagons were to start... ehhhhhhh... just saying I think you guys are smart enough to figure this out if you try.

inb4 cyber bob says they won't.

Except most the people on your wagon right now are players I have town reads or slight town reads cept maybe the first guy. (Can't remember his name ATM)

I am innocent. (iai)

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Yeah him. I have no read on him at all. I'll ISO him later to get a better read on him

No worries. I'm more unsure about goofy and pops then I was before.
But I have that moment of respect for pops as a player that I feel I need to ponder this concern vs my scum read on cd.
I'm going to be busy today so this won't happen till tomorrow.

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Cooldog feels like a weak lynch. Beck would be a better lynch just standing on Konowa's post record alone. Would enough people go for that?

Why does it seem weak? I mean you had him as null. I'm just waiting for a what do you see/think?
Also you have a town read on Renoie. Do you think scum was on that wagon?

These are actually related. I don't assume scum is on any big town-targetted wagon by default, and in reinoe's case in particular I don't think it's damning to have attacked reinoe. Cooldog is among those posters whose line of thought seemed wrong, but internally consistent and understandable.
Multiple actors seemed to shift focus to/from Drew, so that seems like an informative lynch. Cooldog was never that popular and just kinda slowly bubbled to a consensus lynch, it doesn't seem that informative.

Konowa lynch would be very informative for similar reasons, and a good deal more likely to flip scum.

There's a frustratingly long list of lynches I'd prefer to cooldog: Skrew, RC, IAI, goofy. Drew actually has a poor standing on that list, and sorry @Drew that my vote is parked there, but you have a high viability. If we could pull together an improved flashwagon on one of these other guys that'd be kinda great, I'd love you long time. Maybe I deserve a little credit

worthy of sheepability

for being ahead of things on reinoe town, neh? (Is "neh" a word they use in Ender's Game? I think I remember it being a really cool Orson Scott Card word)

I had to reread this about 3 times. Here is my confusion based on your statement,

You don't think it's damning to find renioe scummy yet you think scum wouldn't be part of it?
I mean I may live in opposite land on this but if a player makes bad post you can find fault with and you think the player that is playing badly is town, isn't that just a scum' sweet dream to vote on?

Why is beck informative? Why is Skrew on this list? He pushed his scum read on Renoie pretty hard and with multiple reasons.

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He pushed his scum read on Renoie pretty hard and with multiple reasons.

They were thoroughly debunked several times though!

sigh
UNVOTE:
VOTE: CooLDoG
His recent posting is awful. Especially don't like him calling Beck bad. And also the flip on his read on me and whatever other stuff.

Doesn't mean you didn't keep pushing.

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Also Skrew: I get the frustrated/annoyed aspect of your post but I don't know why your votin cd.
What do you think of the Drew case?

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I need a sane players thought process to talk with right now.
I feel like this is the second time rc is push for end of day. I also thought he didn't like my case originally on CD.
I'm crazy behind at work.
Anyone want to check those things?

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Hi

Crazy at work.
Check rc post to see what if anything he said about cd case.
Also how do you read cb's reaction to the wagon?
Finally: since it's you, did you ever fact check skrew's case?

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Yea I took a moment to find this:

farside's interpretations of this game are completely bonkers. I want to hold to the idea that she's just really far out there, but it is growing increasingly hard to do that. I'm glad you agree at least that the case is bad because I consider you to be as impartial a player as we've got given that you've spent most of your time going after Goofy (and I have been vocally against that).

That was rc post.

I'm tempted to vote rc and the hop on cooldog bothers me.

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I'm good with this move then.

VOTE: Red coyote

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Unvote

I need to think.

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Bob: your fine. I just need to think and reread Drew to.

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Would someone break down why Drew is scum please?

Don't know why people hate this game. The only person I felt like slapping was Skrew so far.

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No need to be an ass cooldog. I may work and don't know if I'll have time to read Drew and review before deadline.

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Not everyone crumbs a role. I don't know if red is the type.

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Not everyone crumbs a role. I don't know if red is the type.

He's scum, bank on it!

Also any person who has a protective role does crumb is a bad, bad player. Scum looks for that shit more then town.

Not defending red just think the crumb question is bad.
I'm not sold on rc town but his claim leaves me backing down.


@bob; you want to break a case to me why Drew is scum?

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No need to be an ass cooldog.

If you do not know why people think drew is scum I don't think you have read the game. And this is my main problem with farside atm. She asks a bunch of random questions that she already knows the answer to or are irrelevant.

Example besides the one you don't want to awnser?

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I mean the most I see from cooldog as an example is that Drew is scum for building a case in rc and not sticking with it and moving to another player he found scummy.

If that all I'll just go back here.

VOTE: Cooldog

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Also found this gem from cool about Drew.

1) anyone who thinks town hunting is a good idea is a noob. Not that there is anything wrong with it, but that is a fact.
2) You are probably scum because pretty much the only reason I could see to defend reinoe at this point is if he was your buddy.
3) Meta is bullshit. I'm not looking up your other games because in all likelihood the reason why you brought it up is because this is the time that you drew scum and your self-constructed "defending other people" meta is starting to pay off now that you drew scum.
4) not as much as you because she isn't a personal attack dog.

1) not a scum tell
2) not valid without a flip
3) agreed but not a scum tell
4) pfft defending is not a scum tell.

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My gut says farside scum. But that's not happening. Ugh

What does your gut say about Drew or cooldog?

Right now is say get a new gut.

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Yea know if that is useless.
I'm good with my vote.

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Bleck, I need to learn preview post one day, especially when I get interrupted at home.
I know those questions are not useless.
Most of those are asking players their views so I can get a read and the rest are I'm busy can someone remind me type post.

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I will become the bitch if necessary this game.

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Cooldog's flipout on farside doesn't look like an earnest effort to find the scum on his wagon. Why you bein so hard to like CD?

It's not even an earnest effort to his point. Seriously he took a bunch Of fucking questions I asked and quoted it with no fucking reason.
That's a shit post he made that makes no sense. Asking question is fucking mafia.

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Drew: you are at l1 and me. Scum pants cooldog who has you listed as scum but self voted, may vote you.

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Me, should be mr. Damn small keyboard on phone.

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Never mind missed a vote.

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I also don't think CD is scum, FWIW. I'm doing this to prevent Goody and RC from mislynching me as I feel like the flip of CD will show them up more than it will show me.

I'm not sure how that is? If you think cd is town and he flips town, how does that help you?

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Cooldog self voting is interesting. Scum move or exasperated town?

Considering I pointed out the majority of the questions I asked that he called useless, but is me trying to get reads and his reaction is to self vote while calling people scum and if he believed you were scum he could vote and push that....I'm not seeing town reasoning.

You could ask someone not bias, but it would probably be called a pointless question.

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Shouldn't cooldog be voting his scum read?

I did not fucking defend Renoie with meta! For fuck sake!

God I officially hate this game.

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Do most townies explicitly admit to pushing wagons on people they think are town?

No, but does scum?

some of the shit I've seen people defend in all seriousness this game is out of this world

Yea. But is asking questions really scummy?
I asked for a case from cooldog? Why the attitude?

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Shouldn't cooldog be voting his scum read?

I did not fucking defend Renoie with meta! For fuck sake!

God I officially hate this game.

Hi farside

Vote Drew please

Serious question.
If Drew is town do you still think cooldog is town?

Now if Drew is scum I'll tell you would have to reevaluate many people.

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Why does any of that matter right now? What bearing does that have on these wagons at this exact point in time?

I think cooldog is scum.

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That's cool and all but it doesn't answer my question. PS vote Drew

Cool has 5 votes and Drew has 5 votes. I think cool is scum and wagon is good. How Drew flips may change things my perspective. You don't think about that?

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Avoiding a NL is the only legitimate reason I can think of offhand to vote for a town read. Too bad that isn't what Drew is doing!

If people genuinely don't go back and reread the opinions and interactions with other players that dead people have had then the state of mafia is pretty fucked. I mean, what else do is there to do with flip information? There are all sorts of ways you can find scum by going back and looking at their attitudes towards wagons that ended up being on townies. The opinions of a dead townie might not necessarily be

correct

but they are literally the only opinions you can say with certainty that were formed in good faith.

Do you even know why cd has his scum list.
Are you going to sit there with a straight face and you 100% agree with his scum reads, with the "reasons" he stated.
I use the word reasons loosely because he doesn't explain much of them at all when asked.

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I mean it, show me the conviction from cd that makes his reads valuable if you believe he is town?

His case on Drew, his case on deewser, the fucking fact he is voting himself and people should listen to a person who just did omgus because he didn't want to awnser a few fucking questions ?
Were is the town thought process there!

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Avoiding a NL is the only legitimate reason I can think of offhand to vote for a town read. Too bad that isn't what Drew is doing!

If people genuinely don't go back and reread the opinions and interactions with other players that dead people have had then the state of mafia is pretty fucked. I mean, what else do is there to do with flip information? There are all sorts of ways you can find scum by going back and looking at their attitudes towards wagons that ended up being on townies. The opinions of a dead townie might not necessarily be

correct

but they are literally the only opinions you can say with certainty that were formed in good faith.

I switch to avoid a NL and you call me scum. I switch to my main scum read, as you argue I should, and I'm scum / neg town.

I can't win in your equation. Every option has me as scum. Do you see the craziness of that?

Bob's point is you didn't say you were voting cool for deadline purposes. You were just voting him and saying he was a town read.

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*takes deep breathe*

Dog: you think cool is town? I assume yes but I could be wrong based on everything you've said about him this far.

I'm asking in your mind if you believe cool is town what his conviction you could see being of value? What value is there I a self vote over voting his scum read Drew?
Right now. This moment in the game.

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Ugh.

Whatever.
I'll be around of cooldog doesn't happen.

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That's more like it!

"It's the bitch in me that enjoys seeing people get their comeuppance." - farside

Also I think cd is at l-1. I can't remember this very moment where Drew's vote is at.

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Intent to hammer Drew.
Requesting claim.

I thought I was priority target in that case... for some reason.

Right!
Renioe was scum, Skrew. Defending a town read is scummy unless your name is cooldog and someone dies it for him.

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also, if drew flips scum farside is priority target # 1 tomorrow.

Don't worry sweetcheeks. I don't need day1 to prove you sate scum.

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vote:drew

If he flips scum we lynch dessew. Drew/dessew scum team where drew decided to defend reinoe for town points. Seems legit.

Here, I looked it up.
PEDT: Awww...

Defending apparently is a scum doing it for town points and scum doing it for a scum buddy.

Wow really we are not lynching cool dog,

I don't even understand.

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The amount of time that CD was at L-1 makes it seem like he's town. If he was going to flip scum it would have been a great time to distance with a scum hammer, seeing how it looked like him for a good bit before drew changed his vote.

He wasn't at l1 I counted wrong.

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Deadline 8/7/14

(expired on 2014-08-07 20:00:00)

Just keeping the timer visible for me.
I'll give Drew till I get out of work in. 7 hours to claim.

I'm hopping someone will point out cool's scumminess since mr. Stubborn doesn't listen to me.

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also, if drew flips scum farside is priority target # 1 tomorrow.

Don't worry sweetcheeks. I don't need day1 to prove you sate scum.

hay man, when I flip town I will be happy to see your reaction. You a skrew are pretty much responsible for this d1 train wreck.

I'm hopping someone will point out cool's scumminess since mr. Stubborn doesn't listen to me.

yeah, maybe the fact that no one points it out is because it just isn't there. I'm really sad that you and your buds couldn't pull of lynching me. It is really pathetic that you couldn't get me lynched after the cluster fuck that was d1.

If I was scum like your claiming you believe I am why would you be happy to see my reaction?
Like seriously that's makes as little sense then the all these questions are not necessary or even more fake then your scum read on Drew.
I mean Drew's scum for not pushing his scum read, now I'm scum for pushing my scum read.
Drew's looking for town credit defending a player that he see's as town but cyber is town for defending his reads.

The backwards land of cooldog. All is scum unless he says otherwise.

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The amount of time that CD was at L-1 makes it seem like he's town. If he was going to flip scum it would have been a great time to distance with a scum hammer, seeing how it looked like him for a good bit before drew changed his vote.

He wasn't at l1 I counted wrong.

He was at L-1 from 975 to 1046

Rc unvoted in 976

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The backwards land of cooldog. All is scum unless he says otherwise.

^pissed that I'm right.

No wondering who is delusional in thinking you made a good case.
Oh that's right no one thought that.

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I don't believe in hammering without a claim.
He'll I hate hammering in general.

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Oh without saying too much

Renioe my read on cool is how I felt about bulba.

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Should have lynched cooldog.

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Drew order of scumminess goes from town to scum or scum to town?

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Sorry dess not Drew.

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Skrew: why are you voting rc?

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Vote: cooldog

Still see nothing town there.

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Drew order of scumminess goes from town to scum or scum to town?

I honestly don't know how to feel about this question. Are you trying to imply that I might find the two un-CC'd PRs the scummiest? I can assure you, even if I had thought reinoe was scum, I wouldn't have told him so. Also, I would've tried to find out a bit more.
PEDIT: almost forgot to answer the question, the lefthandside is the townie end.

Well the way you wrote the transcript was confusing. I was like what he was scum reading Renoie, did I miss something.
Basically I thought I was going crazy.

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So, RC's failure to dive for a bullet for reinoe casts some more doubt on his slot. I don't care if he roleblockage or selecting a different player is his excuse.

Part of me wants to give him another night, part of me wants to see how he flips. Because if he flips town then to me that looks really bad for Skrew, because his

Since RC is certainly a scummy towny if he's a townie at all, townRC should be given at least two nights to try to use the ability to its fullest extent.
Unvote
If he hasn't managed to make a dive by then, he needs to die. The role is like 15% confirmable or something with a high rate of false negatives that if he hasn't managed to make a successful dive, then it's scummy.

This reads like setting up an RC mislynch to win the game. I need to double check but I'm pretty sure the numbers line up.

Is packed to bursting with cognitive dissonance when Skrew is voting RC and holding him as a prime suspect. It only makes sense if Skrew knows RC is town, which would be a scumslip.

Trying to implicate another player for lining up the lynch of your top suspect has so much wtfbbq hypocrisy that requires a bad alignment to slilp into that the posting is bad enough without RC's flip.

I read this as. Lynch rc if he flips town lynch Skrew.
If I missed something in your reasoning on why that doesn't sound like lining up lynches, please let me know.

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That's on today's damn page. No, I'm not going to waste my time finding more, or entertain some babble about pressure and suspicion being different. It's not different enough for that

cognitive dissonance to have made sense.

I feel like you've used this term 3 times now, why is this a scum tell and can you explain what you mean.

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Hey beck when you get around, tell me what you think of iai vs rc action.
Pops same question to you.


@rc: pops was never voting for cd. I don't know why you thought he was. Are you attacking iai for attacking you only? Why do you have the groups you do as scum together?

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CD mentioned IAI all of two times yesterday despite IAI throwing all sorts of accusations and votes his way. Not wanting to react too hard to a bus?

You were town reading cb yesterday and now scum with iai?

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(Also I believe I had CD as more of a null read for most of yesterday than a town read)

Your correct, sorry I thought because you didn't like the wagon and prefer cd it was town reading reason.

I have cooldog and goofy as scum currently.
I don't see why iai as scum would continue targeting the claim bg. There wasn't a cc and there is typically the chance of scum rb.

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CD mentioned IAI all of two times yesterday despite IAI throwing all sorts of accusations and votes his way. Not wanting to react too hard to a bus?

IAI was so bumb in his attack that I didn't think he was worth my time.

Still think farside is scum though.

vote: farside

Hello mr. Omgus is this still about the useless question that are not useless?

Or you other bad non-case I missed?

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Bob: vote cooldog.

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Oh, that reminded me I hadn't voted yet.
VOTE: IAI

Why are you voting iai? No where in anything you posted explains this.

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Rc: you mean this?

@pops: I'm genuinely interested what you meant by not caring about RC's excuses.

I read IAI's case on RC as if RC's having claimed a BG and lynched a townie played a key role in it, which is just outright absurd. Unfortunately, I know little to nothing about wagon analysis, so I can't provide one. I want to reiterate the point that a Vig and an even number of players make the existence of a BG very beliveable. I'd also like to add, that loosing a Vig instead of a BG is not such a tragedy (something similar arose durig the conversation), as Vigs are wild cards.

Because all this says is the thinking is absurd not scummy.

As for iai I'm sure there is scum at that wagon. I keep getting this push back from people tying cd and him together but voting iai. I mean you have iai explaining himself while cd sits there doing nothing as far as scum hunting goes and no one seems bothered by this in the least.

I still don't get how you blame pops for the failure of the cd wagon.

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Rc: one more question. Drew agreed with iai points against you, why is iai scum for something a town player agreed with? You used the term puppet master but Drew found you scummy for sone time there.

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I'm not speaking for Dessew, but I just recall him mentioning IAI a few times. I mean, if you want me to point out each individual time, I can, but I just spent ten seconds looking and I saw him talk about him a fair number of times, including on 1153 where he has him as his biggest scumread.

If you think CD is more likely scum then IAI, you should fight for that. I'm just giving you my case against IAI. I think he's more likely to be scum than CD is.

As far as blaming pops and you for the failure of the CD wagon, I am referring to 891, 893 and 894. If one of you are scum, both of you likely are.

In regards to your Drew question, I don't know what you are referring to. IAI is not scum for agreeing with Drew. I don't think I ever said that, but I retract that if I did.

You know your scum reads is based on omgus.
I really can't understand how it's anything but omgus.
Like you weren't scummy and didn't jump on cd over nothing,

As for deewser. That post does not explain the scum read, which is what I asked.

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Psh, you're right. It was trollish and irresponsible. He couldn't put his pride aside. If he had claimed vig, I'd have voted CD for sure. I had a feeling that he might be town (that's partially why I voted CD instead of Drew after reinoe's claim) and that I was just tunnelling on him, but when IAI and Drew ganged up on me after my claim with no CC... that's was it. I was officially done with him.

Further, I'll go so far as to say Drew's flip doesn't change my IAI read one bit. If anything, I'm just going to dig in deeper. IAI knows better than to try and push a lynch on a non-cc'd protective role, one that is provable (as I maintain a BG is). The only possible explanation for what he did is if he's gunning to fakeclaim as a protective role. He egged Drew on to push an irresponsible wagon on me.

You seemed to believe he egged on Drew, but as I stated Drew was scum reading you. Why do you see that as egging on, but prior Drew was scum for attacking you do to your claim?

Here's one last question I have, what in your experience do you see as a common scum tell lately?

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Oh and for the record I'm trying to get cd lynched I'm just trying to get through pig headed and stubborn players who think making no cases should be ignored.

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You would be one of my other suspicions, IAI, but that vacay post placated me to a good extent.

unvote

Skrew is one of my other suspects. As I expressed D1, I feel like the Skrew vs. reinoe drivel that lasted all D1 didn't seem like town vs. town, and Skrew seems excessively defensive all game.

Goofydood and Beck are not my favorite slots either

Beck's not very active or doing much. I followed his thoughts and it didn't go anywhere.
Example he didn't really move on Renoie even though he found him scummy but moved to cooldog. I figure maybe he's just bussing laying low. I also have goofy mostly because he seems to be following others. I don't see anything new or giving thoughts without pressed. Still looking at deewser, mostly feel weak on this read.

You are the one person whom bugs me the most. You probably don't know but I meta searched you. Saw you typically bus your scum buddy, but what bugs me is your cases come off the same.
I'm very stumped by your behavior.

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farside, I don't understand. You're not referring to me as having "no case", are you? I just gave you six very solid points in favor of IAI scum. Tailor made for you, hon. Also, again, how in the heck is it OMGUS when IAI isn't even voting me? He's, in fact, made it a point to say he isn't voting me and is even possibly coming around to viewing me as town in his most recent post.

Even if IAI were voting me, dismissing someone's vote as OMGUS when they take the time to respond to your questions and lay out cogent arguments is unfair, I think, and, frankly, not what I'd expect of you. I appreciate you engaging me, but I don't think you're being fair at all.

I'm talking about deewser and cooldog having no case.

Also I'm pointing out you scum team consist of me-pops and iai. When I asked why the team all I got was why iai was scum. Then you point out the failure of cd was me and pops sand you site the votes on you. I'm going off on a limb since you haven't explained your scum group it's omgus.

I guess your point is due to moving the wagon off cd and onto you is why cooldog lynch didn't happen, but neither pops not cyber bob was voting for cooldog. Do I regrete moving my vote, yes? Is pops responsible, no. I had my own views and concerns. I'm also in this self doubt phase of scum hunting that has me second guessing every player in the game.

Sorry did I awnser your concern I think I went off the subject.

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Is cooldog not lynched yet ?

No maybe a case from someone else would help.



At red can I have this person playing please.

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No one seems to care that I (think I) caught pops. No one seems to care about RC still (in my opinion) dodging my question.
So w/e
UNVOTE:
VOTE: CooLDoG

Sorry. I found your point valid, I'm just voting scum.
If I had a second vote would put more pressure there.
I just refuse to let the sludge who tied 3 players together, one who flipped town but still voting his other scum read based on asking questions
He's basically confirmed himself as scum and frankly I think his lack of saying anything is in the hopes he can get through another lynch.

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For anyone that cares this is my scum group.
Cooldog, goofy, pops and deewser.

Yea I'm down to 4 players based on overall game play and actions thus far.

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Skrew: can you take a few minutes today for a back and forth chat?

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Cyber bob or red I'll take either of you as well on this discussion.

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Just a few post from pops that are bugging me.
It systems like the same case for the same reasons.

When I read Beck post "If this game is 18 pages of reinoe and SK fighting I'm going to lose motivation", it resonated a little bit. I've had trouble digging into this game, and that's a big part of why. The spat between the two of them has gone a long, long, time. I've seen pretty big town on town spats. But I've never seen such a protracted one of this, that goes on and on.

At first I thought neither was scum, but the amount of filth they have filled the thread with has left me doubtful. There'd be more mutual interest in letting things drop for a moment for the good of the town.

I've had a gut town read on reinoe for a long time due to his carefree nature, but a null read on sleepy. Belligerence is cloudy to me. My gut doesn't tell me much about him, but my head realizes that there is a defensive component to his nagging, repetitive, cyclical desire to be right and to be identified as the "victor" of the engagement with reinoe, which has survivalist qualities to it. Reinoe doesn't seem to care as much, at least to me.

Vote: SleepyKrew

Vote: Drew-sta

It's nearing deadline, so I need to vote for a viable lynch, and I have a pretty strong town feel on reinoe. So Drew is my favorite of the other leading wagons. The original case for him itself never clicked for me, but he seems to go about defending himself in a scummy way, occasionally with some condescension that could "yes but that's not why silly" scum defense.

I would vote cooldog if I had to, he's null for me. I would prefer the Drew lynch. The plus is that in one or two people's eyes a Drew scumflip would vindicate reinoe and get them onboard with my thinking on that.

Did anyone have any questions for me I missed? I'm ready to see something flip at this phase of the game, really.

Cooldog feels like a weak lynch. Beck would be a better lynch just standing on Konowa's post record alone. Would enough people go for that?

Cooldog feels like a weak lynch. Beck would be a better lynch just standing on Konowa's post record alone. Would enough people go for that?

Why does it seem weak? I mean you had him as null. I'm just waiting for a what do you see/think?
Also you have a town read on Renoie. Do you think scum was on that wagon?

These are actually related. I don't assume scum is on any big town-targetted wagon by default, and in reinoe's case in particular I don't think it's damning to have attacked reinoe. Cooldog is among those posters whose line of thought seemed wrong, but internally consistent and understandable.
Multiple actors seemed to shift focus to/from Drew, so that seems like an informative lynch. Cooldog was never that popular and just kinda slowly bubbled to a consensus lynch, it doesn't seem that informative.

Konowa lynch would be very informative for similar reasons, and a good deal more likely to flip scum.

There's a frustratingly long list of lynches I'd prefer to cooldog: Skrew, RC, IAI, goofy. Drew actually has a poor standing on that list, and sorry @Drew that my vote is parked there, but you have a high viability. If we could pull together an improved flashwagon on one of these other guys that'd be kinda great, I'd love you long time. Maybe I deserve a little credit

worthy of sheepability

for being ahead of things on reinoe town, neh? (Is "neh" a word they use in Ender's Game? I think I remember it being a really cool Orson Scott Card word)

Yea I took a moment to find this:

farside's interpretations of this game are completely bonkers. I want to hold to the idea that she's just really far out there, but it is growing increasingly hard to do that. I'm glad you agree at least that the case is bad because I consider you to be as impartial a player as we've got given that you've spent most of your time going after Goofy (and I have been vocally against that).

That was rc post.

I'm tempted to vote rc and the hop on cooldog bothers me.

That is a startling lack of internal consistency. I don't know if there's enough hours left to lynch RC, tough.
My vote is certainly not parked anywhere better, so we can see if there is.

Vote: RedCoyote

The call for the end of the day is a little off too. People were actually posting a bit productively around that time

With the bodyguard claim I think the best thing to do is to let RC live. The most powerful use for the role is if a scummy townie gets it, and dives in front of an obvtown townie, thus killing a scummy townie instead of an obvtownie and making PoE easier. Since RC is certainly a scummy towny if he's a townie at all, townRC should be given at least two nights to try to use the ability to its fullest extent.

Unvote

If he hasn't managed to make a dive by then, he needs to die. The role is like 15% confirmable or something with a high rate of false negatives that if he hasn't managed to make a successful dive, then it's scummy.


IAI made a terribly scummy post when he said that he thinks RC is scum, thinks exactly one of {RC, cooldog} is scum, and voted cooldog. It's not internally consistent at all for him to do that. He should be on Drew if that's actually the way he feels, but I think he's faking his reads.
I don't think there's time for an IAI lynch though.

Vote: Drew

If this causes a third claim, it's not that bad a drawback at this point, the scum can't shoot multiple PRS in one night. And hey, we might have a bodyguard. Of course, the main reason for my preference is I think Cooldog is less likely to flip scum.

Now he ' snack to Skrew for pretty weak reasons.

[farside22]

Skrew: can you take a few minutes today for a back and forth chat?

Sure, but I'm trying to post less today because I posted way too fucking much on D1.

Okay, tell me if this sounds crazy.
Just a pre-warning I tend to get a scattering of thoughts and that keeps me conflicted.


Here is my issue. Cooldog seems like obvious scum. He's made 0 case as far as scum hunting goes with cases, he sits on his vote and does jack fucking shit.
Then I have pops, using these terrible terminologies and just limping around pretty bland cases defending cool dog at one point. I don't get it, why the passive aggressive shit and if cool is town pops could just jump on the wagon but he keeps avoiding it for pretty freeking weak reasoning, but scum defending? Is that at all possible? It seems stupid to me at this point.
So I'm back to WTf is up with these 2 players? One who sits and does nothing and the other using psychological terms like it makes a fucking difference and they both avoid each other.
Can you explain it?

[farside22]

I don't see why that couldn't be scumbuddy interactions. I also don't get why you're asking

me

?

I need a sounding board and your a town read.

I guess they could be scum together but wouldn't jumping on the wagon make sense?

[farside22]

Yup.
This was the first mention of Drew from pops.

Vote: Drew-sta

It's nearing deadline, so I need to vote for a viable lynch, and I have a pretty strong town feel on reinoe. So Drew is my favorite of the other leading wagons. The original case for him itself never clicked for me, but he seems to go about defending himself in a scummy way, occasionally with some condescension that could "yes but that's not why silly" scum defense.

I would vote cooldog if I had to, he's null for me. I would prefer the Drew lynch. The plus is that in one or two people's eyes a Drew scumflip would vindicate reinoe and get them onboard with my thinking on that.

Did anyone have any questions for me I missed? I'm ready to see something flip at this phase of the game, really.

[farside22]

Yeah, I voted Drew. He was the lesser of evils.

A player fighting and making cases vs a player provided no advance reading is the lesser of 2 evils?

[farside22]

@farside: the part where IAI calls people scum(my?) for lynching Drew is scummy. Just an example: 'you lynched the confirmed town vig Drew' (to whomever, it doesn't really matter.)
I'll look into this pops case when my head isn't full of Banach-Tarsky (you (mathematically) are able to make an ordinary chalk into the size of a mammoth, crazy, right?)

Why is that scummy?
I mean I know people look into wagon's on lynched players as part of scum hunting.
Plus your list to renioe was from last night talking,


Let's try something crazy.

VOTE: Pops

[farside22]

Are we abandoning CD just because he replaced out? I'm more than happy to get back on pops but I want to know why you're doing what you're doing.

Cd replaced out is part but the other is a bit theory/meta.

[farside22]

I don't think CD's replace out should have any bearing on anything whatsoever.
Are you going to share the theory/meta?

Your going to think I'm nuts.

As for cooldog he wasn't doing anything, I'd like to see what the replacement says before final judgement.
I mean most of the tins cd hated the argument between you and renioe.