Mini 1642: The Burning (GAME OVER FLAMES HAVE ENGULFED TOWN)

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: VictorDeAngelo

Only a sith and/or mafioso deals in absolutes.

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Just to clarify, my vote wasn't random at all and it's staying.

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The guy took a non-serious statement out of context and used it as basis for a wagon.

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What do you think about Monkey jumping right on there with VDA?

Null tell until further notice. Like everything in the game besides the thing I'm voting on.

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Pretty sure you're a scumbuddy rn.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's so weird not having everyone calling me scum at the end of RVS.

I'm not getting behind a policy lynch for any reason though.

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Monkeyman seems very concerned with how he appears to others.

I'm going to go ahead and VOTE: Monkeyman for now.

[RadiantCowbells]

FWIW, I'm leaning town on Copper, but since I don't have to towntell all over the place to avoid an autolynch, I'm trying to keep my cards to my chest as best as I can.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Futan

Didn't like that last post at all.

[RadiantCowbells]

When I'm ready to push a wagon I'll start being wordier with my posts.

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I'm not outing the rationale for my reads until it's lyncheroonie time. I want to interfere as little as possible with the natural progression of the game so I can get an outsider's perspective.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, why would you want me to explain what I see scummy in someone's play and in doing so allow for them to correct it?

[RadiantCowbells]

In everyone's next post, I want to know how they feel about:

Copper
SiX
Victor
Futan

I'm not claiming a scum/town read specifically on any.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Boonskiies

[RadiantCowbells]

I have exactly 1962 words of info written about my reads in this game.

I see no reason to out any of it until closer to the end of day.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not allowed to say why, but for

reasons

I will be alive tomorrow, so I'm not worried about posting my wall today either.

Meta info on Radiant below

I don't like pointed questioning because it lets people know you're onto them / what your thoughts are. By staying as neutral as possible I change the course the least so people are closer to their natural state, which makes it much easier to pick up on reads. Furthermore, I consider what most people consider to be town / scum tells to be bunk and null, while a lot of relational tells and other things that aren't exactly on most people's radars matter a great deal to the development of my reads. If you'd consult my meta, you'd notice that I have a strong history of staying fairly neutral and then tunneling people on a hairpin once I've accumulated enough evidence or see a smoking gun. I even used to have a habit of fakeclaiming cop whenever I really want to push a read, but guess what? once I reached that point I've never been wrong, and in general my town winrate both on this website and outside it has been quite stellar, in no small part due to my scumhunting ability. (My ability to seem town could use a little work and that's why I'm very happy to have the role that I've been assigned.) I mean, if you look at my games there's a strong tendency for me to get flak and pressure very early but end up making big calls on maf later in the game.

That said, don't equate my lack of content to "coasting" when I have no good reason to start pouring info out, and don't assume I'm not scumhunting or don't have strong reads. All my votes heretofar have been tactical; I will flood you with walls of texts when I'm actually ready to push something.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, I'm confirmed town and I can do whatever I want as a result. Why shouldn't I milk that for all it's worth when it comes to fishing for mafia?

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Just carry on with what you guys are doing and forget about me for now.

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But do respond to

In everyone's next post, I want to know how they feel about:

Copper
SiX
Victor
Futan

I'm not claiming a scum/town read specifically on any.

Pentapost!

[RadiantCowbells]

Link me that one

[RadiantCowbells]

@copper, link me the lurkmeister's meta.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh, and specifically @FormerFish, what is your opinion on the slight push by several players to discredit me and my reads?

[RadiantCowbells]

Victor's still a very solid lynch but can we keep him below l-2 so we don't risk any derphammers?

2) RC, why those players?

Why is your first sorting priority the person who is already confirmed town?

[RadiantCowbells]

Many people did not respond to my last request.

Please, everyone, lmk how you feel about:

SiX
Victor
Copper
Futan

[RadiantCowbells]

I can't read up yet. I'll read up and then post my thoughts on today's lynch tomorrow.

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright. Caught up.

This is by far the best lynch in terms of likeliness to hit scum and in terms of information. Victor has interactions with literally everyone that are worth noting.

My reads in general are

Town:
Formerfish

Leaning Town:
Six

Scum:
Victor

Victor, I'm keeping you at l2 but I need a claim now, and I want to know exactly what your opinion is of me for pushing your lynch. Don't read too far into it or it'll seem ungenuine and you'll have no chance of avoiding a lynch.

Victor's flip will shed a lot of light in terms of associative tells.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, I think we may end up needing to policy lynch Boonskiies for sanity's sake.

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Be my guest then, Victor
VOTE: VictorDeAngelo

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeesh.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm going to go on the record as saying Cheetory is my #2 for being scum.

I hate his interactions with Victor, like hate hate hate them, I hate his vote.

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Like, he's got piles of perfunctory posts, some of the recent ones being 357, 359, 367 (followed by 100 posts absence), 517, 525, 526.

Even his content points like 365 seem really off, and you can really see him having a hidden agenda.

Usually I see early replacements as usually townsided (maf don't usually feel bad about lurking the game away) but not this time.

Like look at

Victor's Case on Copper
i) I think this point is far too subjective for me to feel any kind of inclination to want to lynch Copper. I find it much easier to believe he just messed up, which rings as pretty nulltell to me. Don't think there's anything more to say here other than that we just disagree on the interpretation of the entire situation.
ii) On the gambit point, I could kind of see what Copper is trying to say, so I'm not sure I agree that this is deflection on his end. Without absorbing your clarification that he was apparently just casually trying to buddy the IC and thus because it wasn't a largely premeditated decision, it wouldn't be considered a 'gambit' becomes a very semantic argument over whether buddying the IC in the first 3-4 pages is a gambit or not. I don't see him not understanding such a small detail in your argument as being inherently scummy.
iii) I can kind of see this point, but do you think town doesn't sometimes make shitty tunnelly cases on people that they're convinced are scum?
iv) Weird/unnatural posting habits is a shoddy scumtell IMO.

Copper's Case on Victor
i) Fuck you Copper this isn't a concise point. Your definition of buddying feels like it's too general. To me, Victor is saying that you're buddying someone who everyone knows is town because they're going to be someone who town will be most likely to sheep and buddying can also yield reactionary townreads if it isn't thrown out in the open.
ii) Do you think town can't be abrasive or ridiculous while tunneling? Do you not also think you're guilty of some of the things you're describing here?
iii) Fuck you Copper this isn't a concise point. This feels like a rehash of 168. If there's something in here that hasn't been addressed, say words at me.
iv) Most convincing argument I've seen from either side of these two arguments. Tell me what you make of point acryon brought up regarding this.

Huge wall of text and it's all totally meaningless because he doesn't change his vote or try to convince anyone of anything or change any of his own opinions. He doesn't even hard support Copper who he's leaning on supporting; he sort of is like oh Victor kind of has a convincing argument of you, but tell me this 1 thing and I'll completely forget about you.

The other big scumtell is that even on the victor half, it's all about what Cooper says and does. He really sort of ignores the topic of Victor and just talks a lot about Cooper.

Which suggests a Victor/Cheeto scumteam with Copper as town caught in the crossfire.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, he's not in any games besides this one but that V/LA seems extremely tactical. Park a vote on someone who seems scummy enough to sit on then V/LA the final days away so you don't have to be responsible for a lynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

HELLO MOD

[RadiantCowbells]

Yup.

Cheeto/Vic scum + whoever.

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I like the dissolution of the Copper wagon.

I'm going to be extremely unhappy if Victor doesn't happen today.

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Yeah, there's a few people who're obviously not so much interested in either a Monkey or a Cooper lynch but who're specifically interested in pushing the lynch off Victor.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that
Boonskiies, copper223, acryon, RadiantCowbells, MonkeyMan576
are all town if Victor flips scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, something I really don't like.

From toon:

@mokey: As you are at L-2, and that you say vic is scum, and copp only has 1 vote, and vic is at L-2 like you... Why are you not voting Vic?

Monkey switches.

Toon jumps onto monkey.


Really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Feels like Toon was just pushing for an excuse to jump ship.

If I had to go right now and call the scumteam I'd call it Toon Cheeto Victor

[RadiantCowbells]

Also the timing of

Are you implying I am scum?

@mod: does scum have daytalk or nighttalk only in this game

I'm a HE

1) complete fluffing at the time that town logic was building momentum.
2) a radical grab for towncred right after someone started to pressure him.

Going back, Toon was also one of my initial scumreads because he always seemed so interested in what I thought of people, like he was trying to protect himself and his scumteam as opposed to catch scum.

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Which would actually run contrary to usual IC logic IE scum would treat IC closer to the same as other people because I'm equivalently confirmed town as compared to other players.

But in spite of that I really just don't like Toon at all, and especially don't like this flashwagon. Rather do a whole bunch of people before Monkey.

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Then join me on the wagon that Toon isn't on?

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@mod: does scum have daytalk or nighttalk only in this game ?

Sorry, didn't see this before.

I cannot comment on the setup.

That like officializes it.

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God everyone's so scummy rn.

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Like, strictly cleared? No.

But I'd say there's a >50% chance if Victor flips scum that none of his buddies were in that 5.

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Futan hoping his scumpartner claims a hard PR to survive?

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually those comments don't seem out of place for him at all.

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/shrug

if I could hammer RN I would.

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At this point I'd say that either Formerfish or Cheety become comf!town than listen to their reads, as they are probably the only two players I trust to make good decisions/ have good reads at this point.

Takes my other top scumread and my top townread and puts them in a post together despite not having even mentioned formerfish before.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm going to unvote so we don't get a hammer before SiX gets replaced.

VOTE: Unvote

@cheeto he called him "lean town" 600 posts ago and hasn't mentioned it since. That's not a misrep, that's him looking through his post history for something to jump on as his "town position"

[RadiantCowbells]

Which came before/after (pick one) I called FF town and before/after (pick one) Victor doesn't mention FF for a long ass time?

BTW I didn't notice that since I ctrl-fed Formerfish. I'd appreciate it if people use full names so that I can search their isos faster. However, that doesn't change the fact that jumping on FF as his big townread seems like he's trying to WIFOM from beyond the grave.

[RadiantCowbells]

Boon, you're really not funny. If you don't want to play the game then you should just replace out.

[RadiantCowbells]

Spending the entire game alternating between criticizing me and asking people to lynch me makes it impossible to read you and means that eventually town has to lynch you if we don't have any big scumreads.

It's not a good position to be in.

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Like you had a bunch of content before. Go back to doing that stuff.

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I think Victor is resigned to being lynched and trying to set up WIFOM for after his lynch, AKA listing both my top scumread and townread to make it hard to interpret after I already said that he has tons of connection tells between players.

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I have other scumreads but there's no one who is quite as good a lynch as Victor is.

1) People have been constantly addressing him in their posts giving us a great deal to go off with either flip.
2) He's one of my top scumreads.
3) It's a lynch that's likely to happen.
4) He's already claimed and we won't risk piles of claims on first day.

Cheeto, the way you talk it's as if you already know Victor's going to flip scum. It's fascinating, really.

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I won't pretend he's not the best lynch right now from a practical standpoint. I just think there are better options for someone to actually flip scum.
I seriously don't even fucking understand what you're trying to say RC when I've literally implied the opposite.

You say one thing but the way you say it is like you already know it's not true.

[RadiantCowbells]

Vic, any last words?

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Protection should protect either Cheety/Former. These two would make good neighbourizer targets as well.

I'm surprised he hasn't been hammered after this line.

As a confirmed town, protection would obviously go to me... unless of course everyone's confirmed town to him and he didn't consider that he should think about me differently.

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright, I've had enough.

VOTE: Victor

I'm not letting Cheeto derail his scumpartner's lynch today.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'd really rather not have to hammer because of the information we lose but at this point it seems like a necessary precaution.

[RadiantCowbells]

*eye roll*

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I still think both Cheetory and Victor are scum and this is a last ditch effort to create some distance.

In the other case, I'd look at Elbiirn and Acryon first, but I'd still think Cheetory was scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright.

VOTE: Acryon

[RadiantCowbells]

Wait, we got a Copper flip too? This is amazing.

VOTE: Unvote

Rereading time.

[RadiantCowbells]

Those flips were super strong.

VOTE: Elbirn


Town pile:
eektor Cheeto Formerfish RC

Null pile:
Toon Fighter Boonskiies MonkeyMan576 pieguyn

Scum pile:
Elbirn, Acryon*

*Comes across as scummy but is hard to read in general.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well then.

Any objections? Last words from vic?

fine by me. hammer away or I will

Why are people rushing to hammer with no deadline ?

deadline in two days

Like when you consider the double town flip it puts a whole new light on Elbirn's ambivalence to where his vote went on those wagons.

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Also WRT the hammer something feels wrong about those posts.

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I am absolutely, absolutely not in favour of Monkey.

I can't see the flash wagon from copper switching over to Monkey like it did unless they were both != mafia.

Toon I could compromise on, but it's Elbirn I really want. The casual flippancy towards the lynch vis a vis bouncing back and forth between all 3 is glaring at me.

[RadiantCowbells]

You're right.

I will pursue my noble dreams of a Cheetory9 lynch.

VOTE: Cheetory9

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Elbirn

[RadiantCowbells]

"Hi, I'm MonkeyMan576. I think someone might be scum but I'm going to argue with them until they admit they're scum instead of either voting them or convincing others."

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Look I wouldn't be opposed to a Toon lynch if it weren't for the fact that all of my scumreads are on it.

As it happens there's no way I'm compromising on Toon today, period, end of the line.

So if people, some of whom are town, want to go that direction, that's your prerogative, but you're doing it without the support of the IC, which would give scum good excuses for not joining the wagon, which would mean...
...that if you're voting scum the lynch isn't happening, but that if you're voting town it might.

Just something to keep in mind!

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I retract 862, you didn't say that. But what you are doing is implying that we need to follow the wagons that you back, simply because you are the IC, which is bullshit. And again, it's especially frustrating because I did that Day 1 and you now are pushing my lynch as a result. Literally what the fuck.

I didn't ask to be IC. I hate being town power. Like, hate hate hate it.

But everything above is just facts. Like it or dislike it that's kinda just the way the story goes, so if you want a lynch that's not you find someone else and sell it to me.

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I feel the fact Radiant didn't get killed last night means Radiants not targeting scum...

Hence me obfuscating the true purpose of the victor lynch and acting like I was about to lynch Cheeto.

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Former, what's your response to my logic regarding the flashwagon on him from copper?

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I wanted victor dead for the flip, not because I thought he was scum.

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Also because IC = PR heavy game and I didn't want to force any more claims.

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IC is too strong for 2 scum game, but much too weak to be the only PR in a 3 scum game.

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@Boon

If you townread Cheeto and know that I'm town and that Toon isn't selfvoting:

Since there's 3 mafia, that means that at least 1 scum is busing when the IC has given them as many outs as possibile.

In contrast, if Elbirn is town, any scum could just jump on it and be "oh IC said so power lynch gogo."

My clout as a confirmed town on this site isn't the greatest but it should at least cause you to stop and think hard about why an Elbirn lynch isn't happening.

[RadiantCowbells]

Elbirn, you can claim whatever you want. I know you're scum.

This is the point where if I wasn't IC I would be claiming cop with a guilty on you.

[RadiantCowbells]

If there's something I've learned it's that short of forcing a 1v1 there's nothing I can do to change people's votes.

You can follow me or not, but you could take the time to read my meta and consider that my scumhunting is well above par.

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You're gonna feel like a real jackass when I flip.

And seriously, you got an idea in your head and you shut off all other possibilities. and youre smug about it? Also, you'd fake claim a guilty. I mean. Fuck. Does this site have a blacklist? I wanna make sure I don't wind up in a game with you again.

See, here's the thing.

You're not mad at me for thinking you're scum, you're just mad at me in general for pushing my reads so hard.

Town!Elbirn would be pissed at me because of my reads, not because of me in general.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, what do you want me to say? Sorry we're not on the same team? Sorry that I play to win and that means pushing my leads as much as I possibly can?

I do what I can to win. If I think that claiming cop with a guilty will further my team's chances of winning, then claiming a cop with a guilty is what I'll do. It seems pretty clear to me that you just object to me in general as opposed to my scumread on you, which just further convinces me that you're scum. If you said something that made me reconsider then I'd reconsider, but as long as you're in my scum books I'm going to push for your lynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

pushing me for bad reasons.

That's like claiming scum.

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Like it's ok that you caught me but how DARE you catch me with bad reasons.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's not. You just don't see where I'm coming from so you assume it's a misrep.

Suffice to say.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's not. We'll have to agree to disagree.

[RadiantCowbells]

So you don't approve of my search for statements that don't fit a persons mental state

and instead go for a safe lynch-all-lurkers pov?

[RadiantCowbells]

That's useful, Monkey.

Really.

[RadiantCowbells]

See the thing I don't like about the Toon lynch is it's just too easy a place for scum to be right now.

At least if this happens and flips town SK or Vig will shoot Elbirn.

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Let me explain why it's not useful.

Case 1: Scum Toon.

Toon was scum on Elbirn wagon.
For reasons previously stated, at least 1 scum on Toon wagon.

Case 2: Town Toon.

0 scum on Elbirn
Piles of scum on Toon.


So basically what you're saying is the equivalent to what you've already said, ie that Toon is scum.

Scum are going to be on almost any scum wagon. It's not a good reason not to lynch scum.

I'm not entirely convinced about Toon though. And you're becoming a scumread more and more for me.

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I mean in hindsight my logic was that the vote swap onto you was really weird, right?

Well not so much really.

(eektor, Cheetory6, Futan, Elbirn, Formerfish)

That's like the townier half of the game + Elbirn, and is filled with the people who townread VictorDeAngelo so it sorta makes sense that they'd go for another avalaible lynch.

Pie, please unvote. We have 10 more days and I want to use them.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's L2.

Well, let's see what Boon and Former do.

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I want to know what you saw in my post to think that I am calling Toon town here. Like I guess if I squint real tight I could see it, but no. I had a better idea of where I was going with the associative tells between those two last night after a few big rum and gingers, but now I'm not sure what I was seeing. Monkey is making a big push on Toon, but he is following some other people. After reading Pie's most recent walls I see that I might be under some confbias towards Monkey. I really hate being ignored in games when I am asking direct questions, and when people act like assholes (see Harry Potter: Prisoner of Azkaban re: TSO). I read assholes as scum for some reason. I might need to do a hard reset of my reads because I feel like after Cop flipping town I feel all fucked up.

hmm.

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Like, I'm in practically the same boat as Cheeto.

I mean, part of what makes me wary of the way he's calling out RC is that it wouldn't surprise me if he'd felt like he had permission to give RC shit after a lot of other people had also done it before.

I don't townread Pie for this reason. Feels like he's just joining the QQ about the IC bandwagon, while sheeping most of my reads and the opinions of the game in general. In fact, I have a weak scumread on the slot.

Toon "claims scum" with an obviously shitty reads list?

This is why I don't want any part of that wagon. Most of the shit he's been nailed for is being a lazy town and/or VI, not necessarily anything scummy.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised that if he was scum, there was some mutually agreed upon decision to bus him today for towncred.

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@Cheetory - I won't hammer if I legitimately feel the person is town. Usually if I want the person lynched in a day, I'll hammer before people can change their mind. So yes, I will hammer post Day 1. In hindsight, you'll notice my hammers are never really 'bad' for town.

But really, that's the right decision, isn't it.

Do whatever you think will make your team win the game, and let the consequences be damned?

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I'm going V/LA for a few days between my midterms and such.

There's 10 days, I'll be pretty unhappy if there's a hammer, even if it's on elbirn, even if it hits scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not lynching toon or monkey and I don't like how Boon wants either of those lynches.

My lynchpool is between Elbirn/Acryon/Pie rn.

[RadiantCowbells]

I honestly don't really feel like an acryon lynch now that it comes to it.

Don't want toon much either though.

Mmm.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think Eek might be the MiAscum, not Acryon.

Not sure though.

[RadiantCowbells]

Town's going to lose this game.

[RadiantCowbells]

I give up on this game.

VOTE: Toon

[RadiantCowbells]

Vig / SK please kill Elbirn regardless of this flip.

[RadiantCowbells]

He claimed.

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It's not that he's guilty, it's that I don't want anyone else to claim. It's not about Toon being town or scum.

I'm obviously not influencing day chat at all so might as well hope vig/sk will listen to me, and that means keeping them alive.

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It also bears noting that ol' Elbirn said something that looked insanely busish which took away some of my reservations about the lynch in general.

I'm still unhappy about the opportunity cost and I'm still leaning town on toon but it's better than nothing.

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VOTE: Elbirn

[RadiantCowbells]

Not massclaiming in a possible SK game.

[RadiantCowbells]

You ignored my Elbirn push yesterday and we lynched town because of it.

Formerfish did not jump on the Elbirn wagon at any point yesterday. He essentially pretended it didn't exist.

This is a good lynch.

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I'm not going to support calls for Acryon to claim.

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Also, there were 2 deaths N1.

Have you considered that maybe it wasn't mafia who killed the traitor?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, what if mafia targeted me, RBer targeted a vanilla of some sort, protective targeted me, and vig/sk targeted the traitor?

Why in particular do you want an Acryon claim?

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Pie, you're scum. go away.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think that just ctrl-F ing through Formerfish`s ISO for elb would cause any sensible human being to vote Elbirn.

[RadiantCowbells]

The last lynch was town. if you lynch acryon, today's will as well.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't consider Cheetory cleared RN.

[RadiantCowbells]

This is most likely where I leave you guys.

I have pages of analysis that you'll probably end up ignoring so I'll leave it out, but I'm going to leave you with some last thoughts.

Scum ] Elbirn --- Pie - Eek = Monkey = Acryon - Cheeto -- Boonskies ----- Annie [ Town

[RadiantCowbells]

If Scum!Cheeto foresaw the lynch on Elbirn, he may have made up the whole kit and caboodle regarding being informed to solidify his towncred.

This isn't to say he's scum necessarily, but just watch for it.

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And: we could easily ahve a protective and this could be a 4 scum game.

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Just, why would of all people the tracker be informed?

That's bizarre and makes me somewhat skeptical.

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On phone at work and assume thread will be locked before I can post. I was vanilla town you bunch a smacked asses. see ya post game. Monkey is scum, eektor or boon is the partner.

this is le fake.

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm roger fedoraer and i'm here to say
the reddit armie is here to stay
i wrote a rap song about this vid
dont believe me i hope you never have kids
this video is le fake and gay
how can I tell i simply press play
the man is using prerecorded track
if i were there i would kick him right in the sack
what what what what
reddit armie
in the house

[RadiantCowbells]

What happened to you being angry with me? Now you just seem sort of resigned.

[RadiantCowbells]

Annie ftw.

[RadiantCowbells]

You're highly mistaken if you think that I haven't been rigorously analyzing every single post.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, I don't mean to brag, but I'm pretty sure that my analysis is both broader and more in-depth than anyone else's analysis.

I'm just not posting it because if I post a lot of info, people get fatigued to it and ignore it, so I'm condensing my reads into basic thoughts for people to keep in mind later.

[RadiantCowbells]

*yawn*

[RadiantCowbells]

Beaten by a little girl... HA!

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm here.

I have nothing more to say besides lynch elbirn.

[RadiantCowbells]

Wrong question.

If you were to flip town and I was to unconditionally sheep your vote, who would it be, and why is that or why isn't it Boonskiies?

[RadiantCowbells]

ok

[RadiantCowbells]

Hey pie, where would you reevaluate your thought process when Elbirn flipped scum, assuming you were town yourself?

[RadiantCowbells]

Pie, if we think your scum hypothetically, why would we argue with you about it?

It's not like we're trying to convince you that you're scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Honestly, I'd rather have done Monkey today because of the whole traitor switching off him as soon as the flashwagon started. I'm still relatively happy about this given that information wise this is still the most valuable, and like Elbirn said he's a top candidate for a Lylo mislynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't necessarily agree with you on Eektor as the second lynch though.

[RadiantCowbells]

My problem with today, Cheeto, is your claim of being "informed tracker."

It could perhaps be to prevent a huge drop in town power from a simultaneous watcher/vigilante outing, but is "informed" x even normal?

[RadiantCowbells]

Boon's still a townread, I really still don't like Pie, but it might also be Eek, idk.

[RadiantCowbells]

I really wish you didn't selfvote right when I was considering jumping to Monkey.

[RadiantCowbells]

Saying that is worth an instalynch, eektor.

btw v/la for a few days while I am without a computer

[RadiantCowbells]

So the only realistic scumteams are Boon/Pie and Monkey/Pie

Why are we lynching Monkey today?

[RadiantCowbells]

Massclaim please.

[RadiantCowbells]

Monkey claims VT.

Everyoen claim. I'm not voting till they do.

[RadiantCowbells]

Scumdocs are notorious for showing up in Gunsmith games.

[RadiantCowbells]

Whatever.

VOTE: Monkey

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't believe Boon/Pie is a feasible scumteam.

[RadiantCowbells]

Monkey/Boon is a thing.

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually, going to protect me because Cheeto's not confirmed town and has been a growing scumread of mine.

Feel like there might be some gambit shenanigans going on with a claim swap and a bus.

[RadiantCowbells]

As the game goes on it's made more and more sense to me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Because Monkey has been acting super weird today, almost as though there was a bus planned.

Furthermore, Cheetory went on him right at day start in a really weird way like they had just finished talking about it in night chat.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why do you think there's a doc?

[RadiantCowbells]

Ya you're not town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Classic Cheeto acting like he doesn't already know the game's not over.

You're literally not convincing at all.

[RadiantCowbells]

Remember when I kept trying to change the vote to Pie and you bitched about it, Cheeto?

[RadiantCowbells]

Boon, I only thought you were town because I had Monkey/Pie pegged. It was a process of elimination thing more than anything.

Classic Cheeto acting like he doesn't already know the game's not over.

You're literally not convincing at all.

I just wanted to make sure that BG was on me so that I could tunnel Pie.

[RadiantCowbells]

Pie, I know you're sour because we both know you were obvscum this game, but stop trying to pin it on me.

Did I do exemplary? no. Elbirn was entirely my baby and it's my fault that happened. That said, two of the major town lynches were ones I was not really behind.

In fact, if I had kept being a stubborn ass I would have refused to vote Monkey at the end of the day when he started to seem town again and town might have won a game they otherwise would not have.

[RadiantCowbells]

I know the way I play makes for some hard feelings and can be frustrating to play with but blaming me for this game makes no sense at all.

[RadiantCowbells]

@Flames my analysis is my own and it wouldn't make sense to you guys anyway.

You being IC was the only reason you're not rotting from being hung three day cycles ago.

I played this way because I was IC.

Or wasn't that obvious?

Cheeto I followed you on Monkey against my better judgement and we lost. You can pin that on me for not sticking to my guns, but don't act like my stubbornness hurt town in any way in this game, besides the aforementioned Elbirn lynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't expect you to think any differently. I'm not surprised at all that Monkey got lynched, and I didn't blame you for it, not like I blame myself for the Elbirn lynch where it was basically exclusively my interest.
Sometimes you just lose games, yo?

[RadiantCowbells]

but don't convince others, you only did 1/2 your job

That's why I suck at mafia.

[RadiantCowbells]

Monkey didn't lynch town on mylo.

[RadiantCowbells]

Pie takes my commentary about her being obvious scum (which is backed up by my many statements in the game to the same effect) personally and thus feels the need to speak negatively about me not in a professional but a personal capacity.

I tunneled Elbirn for 2 entire days and caused him to get lynched as town. The fact that no one has brought that up suggests that the negativity isn't based on any real aspects of my play but more on a personal affront taken as a result of the way I conducted myself in this game. That's fine but don't expect me to get all teary eyed about it.

[RadiantCowbells]

I never understood this Mafiascum tendency to blame mislynchees for getting mislynched.

Monkey wasn't star player of the game, no doubt about that, but it wasn't him who lynched town on Mylo.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, I'm going to clarify this because I find some of the town's reactions so questionable.

Was I a major part of why we lost this game?

yes.

What I'm disagreeing with you guys on is why.

Did I hurt town by being stubborn, hardpushing my scumreads, or trying to avoid claims, like you guys are implying? No, not at all.

I lost this game for us because

for 2 entire days I had my vote locked on a townie.

In fact, I had my vote on 4 separate townies when they went down.

Yes, only one of them was a legitimate scumread. And I still stand that the Viktor lynch cleared up the game a lot.

But imagine another iteration of this game where instead of tunneling Elbirn D2, I tunneled Pie.

Things seem a lot different now, don't they?

So just keep in mind that my style while abrasive did cause my major scumspect to be lynched, and if they had in fact been scum people would be saying entirely different things.

tl;dr criticize me for my reads and votes, not my playstyle which actually succeeded in getting the big lynch I wanted down.

[RadiantCowbells]

I guess and I agree.

The D2 Toon lynch just completely sapped my focus on this game because that was literally the last lynch I wanted that day.

This really isn't the way I usually play, and I'm not happy with this game at all.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's not, but I felt like that lynch was inevitable and we might as well get it over with.