mini 1662: Paint the village red

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VOTE: Scripten

Mandatory.

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Is it annoying anyone else that the 'M' in 'mini' is not a capital in the thread title?

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There's a fairly decent chance that my vote doesn't change at all today.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells
Serious vote.

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Vote parking.

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There's a fairly decent chance that my vote doesn't change at all today.

I'm just going to quote this again for you so you can read it.

My vote doesn't change today = vote parking.

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That makes it sound like as long as someone is putting in *effort* they earn a town read from you.

That's pretty weak if that's the case.

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Just like vote parking is a weak sauce excuse vote to begin with when It hasn't even been a whole day yet. But then again it's rvs.

This is weird because you both attacked and defended my action in the same sentence.

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Yeah, I wouldn't look too deep into the reasoning for voting somebody on p2.

It's still a legitimate vote though. It's easy for scum to vote park early in a game, watch the game from the sidelines to see what direction it starts to flow in and then make their decision for how they want to proceed from there.

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The 'opportunistic' comment also seems like a buzzword you have just thrown out.

Can you explain how it's opportunistic?

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Why would scum announce it through they wouldn't want the heat on them. You voting them is a perfect example as why it's also negative for scum. Radiant cowbells optimal as scum would not to announce it and just vote park till latter on in the game. that way you can avoid a lot of this suspicion.

To preemptively counter any attack for their vote parking?

I think it looks much more suspicious to vote park quietly.

It's a easy thoughtless vote that normally people wouldn't question you on.

And the opportunity I have created for myself is...

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This is just entering wifom zone but anyway you put it they are drawing negative attention to themselves.

No, they're not. It's not WIFOM, we simply have different opinions. WIFOM is an easy way to stop this discussion though.

Would of been a excuse to lay a easy vote for a while.

Oh, you mean like RadiantCowbells did...

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Slandaar won't be getting policy lynched.

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Hm. BBT is like 80-90% likely town this game.

Why?

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The way you tunneled Garmr out of RVS is practically a town tell. I might be wrong and, as always, I'm on the lookout for my own confirmation bias, but there's a stark difference in the way you approach RVS as town and scum. You're not nearly as authentically paranoid as scum.

You're usually much, much more cautious when trying to read me; especially early in a game. Makes it worse that you're justifying your read on meta when you know full well I manipulate my meta as much as possible.

Paranoia has set in already.

If you actually do end up being town, can you remind me of this post game.

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Pisskop, you planning on contributing to the game?

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I'm interested to hear them, Scripten. I can't help but feel like you're buttering me up.

PEdit - Why is RC's entrance something to watch?

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Why am I town, pisskop?

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So I know you have *reasons* for your reads and you're not doing it to appease.

I don't feel like I have been boasting; not sure where you got that from.

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So what happened with that ZK askinbg you to place for them?

What?

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ZK didn't ask for me to replace them.

They requested replacement, I asked Mod if I could take it when he advertised it.

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Maybe Slandaar will be a policy lynch after all.

Bji, are you serious?

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Your assertion that placing votes is the town's only weapon is only true if there are no town power roles. Are you saying that you know that there are no town power roles?

This.

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Yeah, I'm not seeing that Scripten.

I don't like where Bji is going though. The question is weak, not to mention loaded.

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Wanderer is town as well, btw.

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Umm, why would you be voting Wanderer?

I love that you're voting me because I'm 'too town to be town.'

That must be a first.

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Can you point me to specific posts to back up your very generic claims?

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Oh my, you think you've rattled me?

Your ego must be through the roof.

Oh wait, I

know

your ego is through the roof.

Show me posts to back up your points.

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You need to convince other people though so you should back up what your saying.

Otherwise, it looks like your read is faked and it holds no credibility.

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Wanderer, vote RC please.

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Can you explain how I have taken away a legitimate vote from you?

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How exactly does my ego come into this for saying that I rattled him?

If he's town, regardless of my alignment (which he doesn't know) there's nothing in my previous posts to indicate ego and his perspective would have me as either an idiot or flailing scum, thus making this make no sense.

But look at this from a Scum!BBT light. His insecurity regarding his ability already having been established, he gets super defensive when I call him out, but because I

called him out correctly

that makes me good at the game from his perspective, which pisses him off so he tries to knock me down a peg by essentially saying "oh you're not that good for catching me."

That's what this entire post is about.

Show me posts to back up your points.

This just isn't how you address scumreads.

Your ego comes into it when you think that you could rattle me with one post. There are people in this game who have seen me be run up to L-1 when I have been scum, still, no rattling. To think you could do it after a single post in which you OMGUS'ed me? Please, big ego. I also replaced into a game that you were in, so yeah, I know you're pretty egotistical.

My insecurity regarding my ability? Wow. I genuinely don't know what to say to that.

Do you think defensiveness is a scum tell?

That's exactly how I address anyone who is scum reading me. Show me why. Show me your reasons for scum reading me.

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VOTE: RC
For real?

You know, it's really not as easy to lynch me as you seem to think it is.

Hi, I'm BBT.

When I want someone lynched, they get lynched 99% of the time.

I enjoyed playing with you.

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Okay I would like to stop sounding like an echo (nothing much to say so saying the same thing as others and also hellooo-oo-oo-o)

This post here makes Wanderer town.

He is trying to engage, I can feel he is excited to play through this post, but he knows not much is going on.

That feels town to me.

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Funny how he immediately responded when it came to making new information but when it becomes time to justify old things it's taking him a while.

I'm going to bed.

You give me 4 minutes to respond before you start dropping it as a scum tell?

MFW, can we lynch this?

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VOTE: RC
For real?

You know, it's really not as easy to lynch me as you seem to think it is.

+1 for ego.

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RC, no reply to my post I wrote 6 minutes ago?

Scum claim much?

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I'm tempted to go with a policy lynch on BBT. I've played two games with him and he's pushed heavily to get whomever he wants lynched lynched. I suppose calling him out will end with my immediate lynch as it did before, but I'm not sure I want to continue playing with him if that's how his "meta" that he claims to manipulate works.

also,

@mod: you may want to include the number of votes required to lynch in a VC

You should not talk about ongoing games.

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But I find Rc pretty town as Rc town telled before even arguing with bluey. Also I don't really see her/his actions as scummy I already have argued this with blue.

What is the town tell?

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Because it's a rule.

And because it makes me look like an asshole.

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There is nothing for me to respond to.

I used as well because it was an additional post.

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Not saying this is a tell I keep close and it works like 80% of the time. Plus if I said it I would have change my scum game in future games.

I don't like this.

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Your other reasons being RC put *effort* into game?

Is that it?

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Happy birthday Pisskop!

Can you vote RC now?

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My ego is high. I'm not going to deny that.

Most people who play this game have a high ego.

RC is not getting a lot of flak. Only I'm attacking her, and Wanderer has voted. That's not a lot of flak.

PEdit - Not at all. It's an early read but I feel good about it.

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What you consider reasoning for your town read, I consider null. RC could show awareness of her surroundings and not care what other people think as scum. How do you differentiate between town and scum here?

Wanderer seems cautious to me. The comment you found scummy (about me taking his vote away) I read as genuine frustration, most likely to come from town.

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Part of me wants to vote for BBT. He and I have never been the same alignment, so that alone probably makes him scum, and I don't hate the idea of sheeping RC.

But then part of me just wants to stick it out on Garmr. Given the interaction between BBT and RC, given the opportunity to dig in and maybe figure out alignment on either of them, why go for the easy third-party vote on Wanderer? Do you think BBT and RC are both town? Or are you protecting one of them?

That's right. It's strange for you to come out the gate at me though, given you know how I feel about you. This feels different and I'm not sure what to make of it atm. I wish you posted more, it takes me so long to work you out.

What if Wanderer-nl is an alt who is keeping the idea of a no lynch in our subconscious minds and selectively plays games only as scum? I think this is worth exploration

Slandaar still needs to be lynched

Wow, you do actually post words? This is a significant progression in your gameplay. Well done.

As for the actual post, it makes no sense.

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Pisskop, what are your current thoughts on the game?

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Will do.

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You know who it is an alt of Slandaar?

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BJI is town.

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I'm town reading BJI, Scripten, Wanderer and Garmr. In that order, strongest to weakest.

Slandaar might be town.

Rest are null.

Except for RC. She is scum.

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Thoughts on the game, pacman?

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BBT, you're asking that question

alot

this game.

Point being?

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I'm trying to see where people are at in the game.

Are you implying those sort of questions are in any way alignment indicative?

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I mean, are you saying you don't find it weird that someone comes into the game on p9, and with their first post, addresses one person on one particular subject and ignores everything else in the thread?

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I'm stating that the high frequency with which you ask that nature of question is noteable. And for you, a first.

A first?

Firstly, I'm pretty sure they're standard questions that I ask in every single game I play as either alignment.

Second, if it's a 'first for me', given you have played with both town me and scum me, what does it mean?

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And I'm never a fan of gratuituous townreads being handed out D1.

Talk about appeasing.

Do you think appeasing someone is exclusively scummy?

PEdit - I'm a defensive person.

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How does that post pressure you?

I'm asking for your opinion.

Now I find it weird that you think I was pressuring you.

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Nope. But I think that scum can afford to hand out a few shallow townreads that they can retract later.

Is this how you play as scum?

I can't think of anything worse than handing out town reads that you will want/need to retract at a later date. Seems an unnecessary waste of time and effort, not to mention sub-optimal.

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That you would feel the need to defend yourself and apply pressure is weird. Why did you feel to answer my question with a question?

Again, I'm a defensive player and I don't see how I was pressuring you.

So you plan to keep your townreads throughout the game? Note you aren't 'townreading' them, you're calling them town. On page 9, only 1 color role PM should know who is town.

I was planning on being facetious here, but I'll resist.

I'm not going into semantics with you either.

If I town read someone, I call them town.

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Though talking about semantics is usually a scum trait, so scum points for you.

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That's a filler question that serves no purpose.

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Because I'm scum.

I have no idea where you're going/what you're trying to do.

I don't even know how I was being indirect.

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To get your opinion because you seemed to take issue with me prodding pacman.

This all seems terribly straight-forward to me.

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You keep saying things that you can't verify. You're just throwing around buzzwords hoping they stick.

I gave my reason for town reading Wanderer.

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You keep saying things that you can't verify. You're just throwing around buzzwords hoping they stick.

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You're consistently using them.

Your being quite clever in how you're approaching this, I'll give you that.

Not clever enough though.

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If I were scum, I would know you're town.

No, I underestimated your attack on me. You're not using anything that you can substantiate, that makes it a) difficult to counter and b) easy for you to do (opportunistic and path of least resistance)

It's good play as scum. I'm merely giving props where they're due.

Pedit - Hahaha, genuinely laughed out loud at that.

Again, Wanderer is town.

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RC, put your case in bullet point form for me to respond to.

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Oh, double team.

Nice.

Let's do this.

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I'm leaning scum on Pisskop, only a light read though. Mainly due to him trying to use semantics when attacking me.

If you don't, my point stands.

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It's highly, highly unlikely both you and Pisskop are scum.

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You stating I was not town reading people and instead calling them town is a matter of semantics.

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You're losing me here.

Where was I careless/sloppy?

The question you quoted was not a question to another question. So what are you talking about?

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@246 - My answer to your question is right there. The first line.

@247 - That's very misleading. My 203 is not a response to your 201. It was a stand alone post.

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Not in this case, no.

It's also usually an angle that scum like to come from.

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I won't be getting lynched toDay.

It would take anybody 5 seconds to look at any of my games on this site to see that I pretty much always say 'X is town/scum'.

It is in no way alignment indicative.

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VOTE: Pisskop

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No, I'm not appealing to town meta.

I'm telling you it's completely non-alignment indicative.

I'm saying to you if you go and look at my games you will see I use the same wording as either alignment.

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Because your attack is weak and opportunistic.

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That's it?

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But it's still artificial in the context.

Using the wording itself is not alignment indicative, but it's artificial which creates an issue and "trying to emulate your town meta" is how I bridge that gap.

Sure.

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298 - PB, why vote Mofo?

302 - Why are you sheeping it, Pisskop?

304 - Can you elaborate on disliking her paranoia, Pisskop?

307 - I don't like that you seem to have narrowed the game down to RVS and a 1v1. There has been plenty more going on and I find it odd that you don't comment on any of it.

Do you have any thoughts on pisskop? BJI? Slandaar?

I like BJI's push on Radiant and I agree that the backpedaling looks scummy.

I want to town read Slandaar but I feel that attacking someone like Unlynchable is an easy route for scum to take in this game, so I have my doubts.

Pacman feels off, need to see more (where is the promised content?)

Need to see more from quite a few people actually; Unlynchable, massive, Mofo, Slandaar, and PB. Too many people not doing anything.

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BBT- Mofu is as good a suspect as any and not really put much in...

And the rest I asked you about?

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This game is really hard to get into. It's like this smelly porridge of vendettas and policy lynches.

Massive:

Since Garmr is on V/LA, do you think you'll be using that time to hunt scum elsewhere? After all, you can't really get any more information out of him until he comes back.

You're definitely not your usual self.

Given your early town read of me, you're well and truly on my radar now.

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You're definitely not your usual self.

Given your early town read of me, you're well and truly on my radar now.

Didn't you just say you were townreading me a few pages back? Not only that, but this is exactly how you acted the last time we were both town together in a game, which is half of why I announced my read.

You seem to think that Unlynchable is an easy target. Do you think he's trying to play in that way so as to attract a scum-driven wagon on himself?

I did indeed. Then you made your latest post. What can I say, I'm paranoid.

I don't know. I can't say much for ongoing reasons, but yeah, he is an easy option to push I feel. Having said that, should he not improve, I'll happily PL him.

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307 - I don't like that you seem to have narrowed the game down to RVS and a 1v1. There has been plenty more going on and I find it odd that you don't comment on any of it.

Do you have any thoughts on pisskop? BJI? Slandaar?

For you, PB.

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And I dislike her paranoia for the same reasons I dislike anyone who consistently suspects me in every game we play.

Does dislike = scummy, or not?

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OK, needed that clarified.

PEdit - By narrowing the game down to RVS and 1v1 it excuses you from commenting on anything/anyone else. By not taking a stance on anything that has happened so far, it allows you to continue playing from the background.

It looks scummy.

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UNVOTE:

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VOTE: PB

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I was unaware this was a hydra.

Who is in it? SKOT and...

I have played with SKOT, very briefly. I can't remember the name of the game but 'pirates' are coming to mind for some reason and I think someone called Catastrophe was speed lynched D1.

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lazy, imo... but go right ahead... btw, you have had brief experience with me or skot before, I cannot recall which...

This made it sound like two different people.

You and SKOT.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=58309 - This was the game.

Did you have a point?

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Ah, you think I care about meta.

That's a mistake on your part.

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You could probably find similar comments in every single game I have ever played.

I still don't care for meta.

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I also think there is a very thin line between play-style and meta which a lot of people don't appreciate/think about.

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I need to read this again thoroughly but I'm really disliking Pisskop this game.

This is the second time (first time with me and RC) that he has sat on the sidelines poking someone with a stick. He is seriously hard defending/buddying RC and it feels all kinds of wrong.

I want to see more from pacman. Pet peeve is when people promise content and it never comes. Also need more from Slandaar, Mofo, Unlynchable and massive. I would bet on there being at least one scum in the lurky people.

Scripten is town. Wanderer is town. BJI is town. Garmr is probably town. As much as I hate to say it RC is also probably town as well.

Scum pool is narrowing.

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I don't think I am.

What's bugging me is I seem to be scum reading you in every game we play. So that makes me think it's something in your play-style that I don't like and I'm attributing it to being scum.

I don't know what it is though so it's kind of hard to stop.

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There are usually 3 scum in a 13p game.

10:3

Sometimes there is also a SK so 9:3:1.

Those are the two set-ups I would work with.

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actually BBT, we are really not too far off the same page, but I have no prior experience with wanderer or BJi to have any assurances one way or another.

Huh?

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I don't think you need experience to be able to read people.

You have a lot of experience with everyone else?

Can I get a full reads list from you?

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Whyyyyyyy no PEdit. So frustrating.

Hmm, that's always annoying.

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Now, I do actually have a scum read after looking back and someone I have no experience with and their ISO and compared with some of completed town play previously which supports my perspective.
This person is qualifying every town read and really not seen evidence of them doing that as town previously. They even stated in this game that scum can give weak town reads and then flip it later. I think it describes the behavior being presented in this game. So an actual day 1 scum read here is Pisskop... I think someone asked me about this person before and I was null at that time...

vote pisskop

Wait, what?

You can't read BJI/Wanderer because of lack of experience but can produce a scum read on Pisskop even though, again, you have no experience?

Qualifying town reads = scum? That makes no sense at all.

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That feels fake ^^^

PEdit - @pisskop.

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I'm sheeping this wagon.

VOTE: Pisskop

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And you've claimed now because...

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An internet badass.

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^^^ Is what I am thinking.

He had 3 votes...there was no reason to claim.

I'm not moving my vote just yet.

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Wait, what?

You can't read BJI/Wanderer because of lack of experience but can produce a scum read on Pisskop even though, again, you have no experience?

Qualifying town reads = scum? That makes no sense at all.

Anything for this, PB?

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I go on reactions and things that seem inconsistent. When I went back and read over pisskop's play, the qualifying everything he said stood out.

OK, but why does this make you think he is scum?

Also don't care. If you dumbassses lynch me I'll hold this up as a meta example. Zero issues fucking over the team if you aren't going to work with me.

Meta example for what?

Also, given that you 'change your play-style every game' meta should mean jack shit, right?

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K, but why does this make you think he is scum?

It is reason to suspect, thus the vote and pressure and scum read. As it is a defensive behavior that he even went on to say, hey, scum can give themselves room to flip. Let me get the quote.

OK, so if Pisskop just naked voted and didn't explain his reads he would have gained a town read from you?

This all feels very backwards.

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Why did you claim Pisskop?

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Because Im going to tote it in every game in the future.

I'm not following.

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K, but why does this make you think he is scum?

It is reason to suspect, thus the vote and pressure and scum read. As it is a defensive behavior that he even went on to say, hey, scum can give themselves room to flip. Let me get the quote.

OK, so if Pisskop just naked voted and didn't explain his reads he would have gained a town read from you?

This all feels very backwards.

Because Im going to tote it in every game in the future.

I'm not following.

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^^^ is why meta is an awful scum hunting tool.

Subjective.

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OK, I think I am misunderstanding you here.

When you say 'Pisskop is qualifying his reads' I took that to mean that he is explaining all of his reads.

If this is not what you mean, can you clarify for me?

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To do what exactly?

Like, what are you hoping it shows?

Was that the plan when you claimed so early?

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Ah, OK. I understand what you mean now and I can see your point.

However, it could be because it was early game and his reads were not very strong, no?

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I don't understand pisskop's early claim at all and I think PB is town now.

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OK, so far I have Scripten, BJI, & Wanderer as town.

I think Garmr, RC and PB are also town, though not as strongly as my first set.

This leaves my lynch pool as; massive, Slandaar, Pacman, Unlynchable, Mofo and Pisskop.

I always need time to read massive. He causes me serious paranoia.

Slandaar I think could be town, but again, I want see more from him outside of pushing Unlynchable.

I don't understand Pisskop's early claim and it's a claim that is difficult to prove/disprove.

Need more from Pacman, Mofo and Unlynchable.

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You haven't established I 'gave my reads room' and instead have proven that you are reaching or don't know what contstituites a read.

PB has done this.

He quoted posts of yours where he feels you left your reads open enough that you could reverse them.

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I would argue that the first quote could be you leaning town on BJI.

Slightly town is an easily reversible read.

I would argue the 3rd quote can be read as you leaning scum on me.

I have given my opinions on those posts, I don't feel the same as PB, but I can see where he is coming from.

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Past games = meta...

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One more vote?

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I think he only has 4 votes.

3 more to lynch.

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Scripten, do you believe Pisskop's claim?

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Tact?

Seriously.

Catch up.

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I'm going to make sure I don't join any future games with RC.

And I'm probably going to ignore her for the rest of this game as well.

Pacman's catch up was underwhelming. I 'look forward' to the rest of it.

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PB is probably town though.

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Except not. You need to stop trying to townread the whole game on D1.

Why is he town?

Scum hunting D1 is hard.

Town hunting is much easier. Once I have a solid pool of town reads, I'm going to lynch within the people who I'm not town reading. Easy game.

PB is town because of the conviction in his case on you. I know it's meta, and I disagree with it, but

he

believes it. He is going through considerable effort to put forward his case, usually I don't find effort to be indicative of alignment, but I just don't see scum!PB doing this. I really don't.

Plus, 550 has town written all over it.

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I mean, I feel pretty good about you flipping scum so I'm not even sure why I'm discussing this with you.

Do you have any reasoning for why you claimed so early?

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He isn't just chanting it over and over though, he is putting in the work to present it.

I'm not saying his case is water-tight by any means, and I have already said I disagree with it; he is town for the way he is presenting and going about it.

PEdit - You can't explain it? I feel like I'm missing something here. If you're town, help me out.

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No, I'm not putting any faith into his case. That's got nothing to do with why I am voting you.

I just don't see why you claimed. Like, at first your annoyance felt fake and I just can't quite fathom what happened. You're a much better player than that and all I can think of is that this is some sort of clever gambit. Doc is such an obvious claim for scum to make and I just don't see town!pisskop claiming at like L-4.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

And we're back to throwing insults around.

Obvious fake rage is obvious.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's what I am doing.

I have never seen you act like this. Must be what scum!Pisskop acts like.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Christ, no wonder people lurk. Being proactive gets you killed.

This feels town though and is something I have often thought to myself.

PEdit - Scum always think claiming Doc is a great idea. Tracker is another good one, you could have used that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I hope you get mod killed.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

2 more votes please.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How is BJI scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How is he trying to get town cred?

You're making no sense at all this game, pisskop.

PEdit - You just mentioned your claim.

Not me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Mod: I'm going to be V/LA until 23/4. Emphasis on the LA as it's just so I can finish an assignment.

Will try my best to keep up/post if I can.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Pisskop if you're town I'm probably going to avoid playing with you in the future.

That's exquisite timing you have there Unlynchable.

Massive is there a reason you're not contributing anything?

Slandaar I don't get the Wanderer scum read at all.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

pisskop

(7):

scripten

,

peacebringer

,

bluebloodedtoffee

, mofonugen,

bji

,

wanderer-nl

,

pisskop

(LYNCHED)

Here is how I'm seeing this wagon.

So, it seems pretty simple.

VOTE: Mofo

If somebody has me fooled, it's Scripten/BJI.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

pisskop seems to have gotten reckless with his play. If he's the doc and he actually outed himself, he likely dies tonight anyway. At this point, I think the method that gets us the most information is a pisskop lynch.

If he's actually doc, then we can gather leads based on reactions and participation in the lynch. If he's actually scum, that's probably as good a win as we'll get D1.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pisskop

This seems to imply Mofo believes the claim but wants to lynch him anyway.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Unlynchable, you should start contributing something soon otherwise I'm going to lynch you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Therefore, I categorize my likely scum as BBT, and one or more of the lurkers. I have really no reason aside from this analysis to regard BBT as scum, but I am going to retain suspicion there based on how Day 1 played out.

And then there is post 773, which I find very convincing.

VOTE: Mofonugen

Let me make sure I have this straight;

1) You think I am scum because I was active D1

2) Not only do you think I am scum, you agree with a point I have made against somebody else

3) Not only do you think I am scum, you go ahead and vote the exact same person I am voting.

What?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No, it doesn't.

Can you tell me what separates myself from RC and Scripten? Like, neither of these were scum read much on D1 either so I would like to know where the differentiation comes in.

Also, if you think I am scum, why are you not only agreeing with what I am saying, but also voting the same person I am voting?

That doesn't make sense.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, well I'm pretty sure you're town so if you could stop with the crazy theories that would be great.

Also, keep up pushing lurkers in your time on this site.

Pet hate of mine. Nothing worse than losing to lurkers.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Could you please? With Slandaar flipping town, I'm pretty happy to sheep his logic from yesterday. Not only that, but the Slandaar NK makes a decent amount of sense for a scum trying to play toward a fake post restriction or just weird playstyle mode.

What makes you think scum killed Slandaar?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why would a SK kill Slandaar?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm wondering whether you just slipped.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm not sure what Garmr is expecting to achieve with his guessing game.

Can you tell us who we should be voting please?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

lol, seriously? 1 guilty and a claim... :rollseyes:

Also, this.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

For a start, if it's a fake claim you can set it up pretty well with seeing where everyone else stands first.

Secondly, you're relying on what exactly? Because pretty much everything that anyone says in your guessing game will boil down to WIFOM.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nice.

Please tell me how it would be even remotely possible for someone to out a scum buddy.

Please. I'm dying to hear it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Garmr.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

In all seriousness, this is dumb.

You're giving scum a chance to muddy the waters/create WIFOM opportunities.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Wanderer

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That is somewhat disappointing as well.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

LOL @pressure on Scripten...are you guys fucking serious right now?

VOTE: Garmr

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT:

Why do you think your townreads keep dying?

Because they're widely town read?

Why do you think they keep dying?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

so does massive come out the bat and vote for Gamrer if both co-scum, don't think so...

You're right...there is no way scum could have planned that because they don't have a chat...oh no, wait. Yes, yes they do have a chat.

This is crazy and if Garmr flips scum (which is like 99%) you're next.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't need to.

You're so obviously scum. Like, I'm not even debating it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VCA isn't as great as it usually is because of lack of VCs.

Spoiler: VCA

VOTE COUNT

Slandaar

(1): Unlynchaboe
BlueBloodedToffee (1): RadiantCowbells
unlynchable (1):

slandaar

pisskop

(4): scripten, peacebringer, bluebloodedtoffee, mofonugen
radiantcowbells (1):

wanderer-nl

garmr (1):

massive

peacebringer (1):

pisskop

wanderer-nl

(1): garmr

not voting:

evilpacman, bji

Slandaar (1): Unlynchaboe
BlueBloodedToffee (1): RadiantCowbells
unlynchable (1):

slandaar

pisskop

(7): scripten, peacebringer, bluebloodedtoffee, mofonugen,

bji, wanderer-nl, pisskop

(LYNCHED)
garmr (1):

massive

peacebringer (1):

pisskop

wanderer-nl

(1): garmr

not voting: evilpacman

Garmr (1):

Wanderer-nl

PeaceBringer (1): Unlynchable

Wanderer-nl

(6): Garmr, BlueBloodedToffee, PeaceBringer, Scripten,

massive

,

bji

not voting: RadiantCowbells, Mofonugen

I haven't highlighted Garmr red because it isn't confirmed but, yeah, we know he is scum.

VCA points to Mofo/PB being the other scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Scripten, what makes you think PB is scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

This is crazy.

I actually feel like I'm taking crazy pills right now.

What the fuck is going on?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'll lynch Unlynchable.

After Garmr.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You're scum.

I'm not responding to you.

Your point makes no sense at all either btw.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm not moving from Garmr toDay.

At any point. At all. For any reason.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

^^^

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wow.

Fuck this game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I actually cannot believe Scripten just got lynched.

Garmr survived.

Town should be fucking embarrassed right now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If Garmr starts pressuring Mofo tomorrow, PB is prob the last scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Scripten, who is Garmr's buddy?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think it's obvious that blue blooded toffee is scum of some kind .

Wrong. I'm going to be pissed if your fake-claim bullshit allows you to win this fucking game. Garmr is scum. How much more obvious could it be.

okay, some idiot roleblocked me, I am the vig... I was trying to kill unlynchable last night...
go check my ISO if you doubt me. I even explained my n1 kill.

Yeah, you're the SK.

If we had a vig in this game I would expect there to have been a BP somewhere.

It's Garmr & Unlynchable.

VOTE: Garmr

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Unlynchable

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Garmr

Easy game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Look, I know you're scum. I don't need to answer your questions. You're not lynched yet, RC still needs to vote, nice AtE though.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The fact that you haven't voted me makes it pretty obvious you're scum.

You were waiting to see how the game would develop first. You didn't want to vote me in case I entered the game and attacked RC. You wanted to make sure you left both windows of opportunity open.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Of course she is BP.

Do you really think the Mod would place a full town-vig in the game and not provide at least one townie with a BP ability?

I had no doubt about you once you faked a cop guilty. It looks like a good play, but that's only because town insisted on playing badly.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't need to answer your questions.

I'm just highlighting your faulty thought process.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't need to push anything as a scum point.

You faked a cop guilty on town. Nobody thought you could be scum because 'what would he gain from it?' Well now they know.

It got you to LyLo.

I don't need to say anything about why you're scum because it's blatantly obvious.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's right. Because that single action makes you scum. I don't need to convince you that you're scum, you know the colour of your role PM.

I just need RC to see it.

I don't think anything you have pointed out is scum-tell, if RC wants me to answer any of it, I will.

This just seems like an easy town win, so I'm honestly just expecting RC to hammer you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT, how do you feel about day 1 vs where we are now?

I'm not sure what you're asking?

I feel it would be fairly bad (read: stupid) play from me, as scum, to leave you alive in LyLo after you've been gunning for me all game. Like, of all the people I could keep alive for LyLo, why would I bring you?

Is there anything else referring to D1? I've assumed you're referring to the whole me vs you thing, if not, direct me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Will make comments when I'm not so tired and it's not so late.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Alright, so, we played pretty badly, that much was obvious. Our kill choices were pretty awful and we never intended to allow RC to reach LyLo but it somehow happened.

Scripten getting lynched killed the game for us I think. Scripten, I hope you're not leaving the site, I really enjoy playing with you, you keep me on my toes regarding my meta! You can always just refrain from joining games with people who you don't like playing with.

RC, you're going to scum read me in every game we play. I didn't want to say this during the game because for some reason it's considered scummy but your main reasoning for scum reading me was play-style and personality. You were unable to distinguish between my personality/play-style, and what was actually alignment indicative. We're going to clash a lot.

Garmr, I'm so surprised you made it to LyLo. We assumed you were an auto-lynch after your fake guilty. You played pretty well during LyLo, and as evidenced in scum PT, I knew the game was already over. There was no way either of you or RC were voting each other. Garmr, I genuinely didn't understand the slip you thought I made either.

NM, what is the point of your alt? It's insanely frustrating to play with (as either alignment)

Slandaar played really well, I actually wanted to kill him N1. I felt his case on Unlynchable was pretty solid and I was surprised nobody was listening to him.

Good shooting from PB, would have hit two scum if I didn't block him. Would have preferred to kill you, but meh, didn't happen. I'm very surprised by the Slandaar shot though (this made me think SK as opposed to vig because it just made no sense)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Forgot to mention;

Thanks for modding Kelbris. You did a good job all things considered!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No, not at all Garmr, I was just doing what I had to do as scum to try and win.

Yeah, I really wanted to bring Scripten to LyLo, that would have been the ideal situation.

I'm still not sure I understand the slip. I asked why scum would kill Slandaar and I asked why SK would kill Slandaar. Meh, it doesn't really matter now.

WP town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What makes you think scum killed Slandaar?

I asked about scum killing Slandaar here.