mini 1662: Paint the village red

[PeaceBringer]

hmm, so we already have vendetta's at work

[PeaceBringer]

SKOT is in this game aswell? Town has no chance

do I know you? I don't recall an unlynchable... I would recall such a SN

[PeaceBringer]

nope, must be an alt hiding, so you have me at a loss...

[PeaceBringer]

vote RC

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VOTE: mofu

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RC is towny
what if Unlynchable is bussing the weak bus that lurkers do.
PBs iso is actually 5 whole posts and nobody seems to care that 40% of it is naked voting. And more amusing that I townread it.
Mofo has a blank iso and Im sheeping that naked vote

vote: mofo

well so far we have RVS and a pissing match between unlynchable and RC...
trying to find a good direction...
nobody is really giving me anything to probe or play off at this point either

[PeaceBringer]

BBT- Mofu is as good a suspect as any and not really put much in...

[PeaceBringer]

BBT- Mofu is as good a suspect as any and not really put much in...

By that reasoning you are just as much a suspect. Should you be lynched?

Regarding mofo: I think I know partly what he's talking about and I won't vote him over that now. I'd rather ask him to either get over it and play the game or go and ask replacement. If he fails to do either, I am willing to PL him, but only of we can't get majority on an actual scumread.

people want to pressure me that is their prerogative. 1 vote does not equal a lynch. A vote is a vote. And sure, there certainly are reasons for someone to poke at me if they chose.

[PeaceBringer]

This game is really hard to get into. It's like this smelly porridge of vendettas and policy lynches.

Massive:

Since Garmr is on V/LA, do you think you'll be using that time to hunt scum elsewhere? After all, you can't really get any more information out of him until he comes back.

this kind of nonsense is something scum tend to hide behind...

vote Scripten

[PeaceBringer]

You're definitely not your usual self.

Given your early town read of me, you're well and truly on my radar now.

Didn't you just say you were townreading me a few pages back? Not only that, but this is exactly how you acted the last time we were both town together in a game, which is half of why I announced my read.

You seem to think that Unlynchable is an easy target. Do you think he's trying to play in that way so as to attract a scum-driven wagon on himself?

this is more genuine-

vote mofo

[PeaceBringer]

BBT- Mofu is as good a suspect as any and not really put much in...

And the rest I asked you about?

the rest what? I only saw one question addressed to me

[PeaceBringer]

307 - I don't like that you seem to have narrowed the game down to RVS and a 1v1. There has been plenty more going on and I find it odd that you don't comment on any of it.Do you have any thoughts on pisskop? BJI? Slandaar?

So I guess these were at me. Sorry, I don't go clicking links unless I see a reason to do so. Usually blah blah blah nit picky non-sense...
no I do not have thoughts I have not seen enough interaction to have any concerted thoughts...
what do you think it is odd that I skimmed over, missed or ignored
I am not a detail picking individual, I go on behaviors, reactions, and my general sense...

[PeaceBringer]

What? How did you not read 321 when you voted for 317?

reading as I go, reacting as I go. Sometimes I even read a later post and see something earlier... no mystery...

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OK, needed that clarified.

PEdit - By narrowing the game down to RVS and 1v1 it excuses you from commenting on anything/anyone else. By not taking a stance on anything that has happened so far, it allows you to continue playing from the background.

It looks scummy.

I will always look scummy to folks here and I don't care...

[PeaceBringer]

Okay. Please dont do that. Flipflop gungywop.


Pedit: @ PB

maybe since you asked nicely I won't, but doubtful

[PeaceBringer]

VOTE: PB

lazy, imo... but go right ahead... btw, you have had brief experience with me or skot before, I cannot recall which...

[PeaceBringer]

I am SKOT, skot is me... this is not a hydra... SKOT is my alt

[PeaceBringer]

This made it sound like two different people.You and SKOT.

I can be read that way, but that was not the intent of my communication. I have a habit of skipping things I think I said that provide clarity.

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my point was that since you have played with me at least once, you should be able to ascertain no difference in my engagement or posting

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You could probably find similar comments in every single game I have ever played.

I still don't care for meta.

I am not even talking about deep meta but the fact that you have experienced me, and therefore have a baseline of behavior. Yes, behavior changes day to day blah blah blah, but we do not operate in isolation and no one can say they totally ignore past experience...

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I also think there is a very thin line between play-style and meta which a lot of people don't appreciate/think about.

yet with me you play the meta card vs play style card...

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actually BBT, we are really not too far off the same page, but I have no prior experience with wanderer or BJi to have any assurances one way or another.

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actually BBT, we are really not too far off the same page, but I have no prior experience with wanderer or BJi to have any assurances one way or another.

Huh?

that means, I generally am agreeing with you but personally am not so sure about wanderer and BJi do to lack of experience with them.

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Now, I do actually have a scum read after looking back and someone I have no experience with and their ISO and compared with some of completed town play previously which supports my perspective.
This person is qualifying every town read and really not seen evidence of them doing that as town previously. They even stated in this game that scum can give weak town reads and then flip it later. I think it describes the behavior being presented in this game. So an actual day 1 scum read here is Pisskop... I think someone asked me about this person before and I was null at that time...

vote pisskop

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seriously... you claim with that "role" at that point pisskop? really... I just went back and found a completed game or two... funny how you had something in your back pocket to throw out...
are you really that thin skinned to claim at that point with that role... seriously?

[PeaceBringer]

Wait, what?

You can't read BJI/Wanderer because of lack of experience but can produce a scum read on Pisskop even though, again, you have no experience?

Qualifying town reads = scum? That makes no sense at all.

Anything for this, PB?

ah, you are definitely a nit picker... think of me as your exact opposite...
I go on reactions and things that seem inconsistent. When I went back and read over pisskop's play, the qualifying everything he said stood out. Everyone starts out for me as null until I see something that tilts one way or another. What I was saying was that I do not feel comfortable yet one way or another. I actually hadn't even looked closely now that they have posted a bit. I went and look at pisskop and alarm bells went off. Then I went to look to compare...

[PeaceBringer]

PB hasnt told us about hi adventures in Meta-land

didn't take note of which games, just picked pages where you had completed games and went to look for a comparison. It wasn't deep, but enough to see that your qualifying of all your reads was not baseline. Feel free to give links to those games you feel prove otherwise. That you normally engaged in continual qualifying of reads to give room to flip it

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K, but why does this make you think he is scum?

It is reason to suspect, thus the vote and pressure and scum read. As it is a defensive behavior that he even went on to say, hey, scum can give themselves room to flip. Let me get the quote.

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pedit:Nope. But I think that scum can afford to hand out a few shallow townreads that they can retract later.

this is the quote, and everything up to that point was shallow... thus my alarm bells went off and here we are...

[PeaceBringer]

PB hasnt told us about hi adventures in Meta-land

didn't take note of which games, just picked pages where you had completed games and went to look for a comparison. It wasn't deep, but enough to see that your qualifying of all your reads was not baseline. Feel free to give links to those games you feel prove otherwise. That you normally engaged in continual qualifying of reads to give room to flip it

Nope. Burden of proof is on you. You made a claim which is clearly fabricated or wrong.

this is mafia, there is no burden of proof until someone gets "confirmed" by facts or death... all the rest is speculation. The fact is you qualified your reads in this game. Anyone can scan other games and see a lack of qualifying. It is rather simple really. So you became my top suspect. Maybe you are as you claim, but if so you are you decided to act in a way not provillage and decided to throw a tantrum... so, sure maybe that is just you, but I doubt it. You have some "reason" for the tantrum and the early claim...

[PeaceBringer]

Hell, BBT has played more games with me since my return than any other play on-site. His experience alone should be enough to say I'm a paranoid player who latches on to specific posts and tears away until I drop from exhaustion.

and this has not been your behavior this game...

[PeaceBringer]

went back and looked at the reads again, on second read through there were one or two that qualified. My perception was my perception, and rather than handle pressure on you in a reasoned way, you engaged in other behavior...not pretending, this is my reaction.

[PeaceBringer]

You're out here talking and boasting. Seems slightly town. From a play perspective.

Why is it so important to get that feedback?

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That's bji being bji. He seems to mean well.

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those were the posts I read, came up to the quote I posted... then went and skimmed over one of current games, no idea town or scum as it was not finished and went to Something I think on page 35 or 36 of your posts selection. It was in the 30's as you have a lot of active games currently and took me a bit to find something completed and then something that was not a micro.

[PeaceBringer]

Your prception is shit.

This whole fucking push on me is based on shitty perceptions. All of them.

hey it is day 1, everyone goes on shit perceptions, eventually you get more...
you are the one who prematurely claimed in a place where folks have been known to back off runups at claiming point even...

[PeaceBringer]

so Pisskop, theoretically you run into a reason to suspect someone. You cast a vote. Said player gets hyper-defensive, claims early, then starts with the hyper-aggressive reactions- what would you think?

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I'd think you can get fucked PB. You're still not actually doing the required work of showing your proofs.

there is nothing required- again more hyper-aggressive responding... I don't do proofs, it is not within my intuitive skill set... not what I do... you are the one who claimed prematurely. Now that you claimed, nothing else is required than to evaluate what to do with you and your claim. Believe you or not. You just continue to tantrum. When I face a tantrum, I lock in. It is what it is.

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OK, so if Pisskop just naked voted and didn't explain his reads he would have gained a town read from you?This all feels very backwards.

no, he didn't explain things, he kept qualifying and really saying nothing... and no, he would not have gained a town read from me for naked voting...

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It was in the page 30s of the the post section of my profile. As opposed to going to the wiki or looking into my topic pages or using some other method.

You understand that due to mafia pts, neighberhoods, and other private pages I dont see the same page number/posts as you?
. And what terribly iunefficient way to meta somebody. I supposed you cherrypicked out points and then determined my alignment.

nope, I am intuitive, I react first and then looks to see if there are reasons for my reactions... you are the one who claimed early.

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OK, I think I am misunderstanding you here.

When you say 'Pisskop is qualifying his reads' I took that to mean that he is explaining all of his reads.

If this is not what you mean, can you clarify for me?

it is the stating someone may be town but leaving room for not. look at the posts I quoted... all leaving room to flip... not something I saw him do otherwise

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Ah, OK. I understand what you mean now and I can see your point.

However, it could be because it was early game and his reads were not very strong, no?

that is a possibility. I always re-evaluate but when I get an intuitive reaction based on something I see, well I put it out there. Again think of me as your exact opposite. Sometimes I can get things solid and I do better when I have folks like you and others to narrow down or react off to test my own engagement. After over a decade of playing this is actually even new self-awareness for me.

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and yeah, it is possible it was early game stuff, but I did not see the same sort of posts in the games I checked on elsewhere...

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pisskop, so you are claiming you are purposefully acting up to "mess with your own meta" and really do not care about damage you are doing to this game is town, that is the argument you are going with?

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It was in the page 30s of the the post section of my profile. As opposed to going to the wiki or looking into my topic pages or using some other method.

You understand that due to mafia pts, neighberhoods, and other private pages I dont see the same page number/posts as you?
. And what terribly iunefficient way to meta somebody. I supposed you cherrypicked out points and then determined my alignment.

nope, I am intuitive, I react first and then looks to see if there are reasons for my reactions... you are the one who claimed early.

Keep dodging instead of actually doing the work.

You're not adressing the points put against you.

you do not have any points against me... you are just engaging in an aggressive tantrum

[PeaceBringer]

Can we just fucking quit the meta/playstyle shit and focus on this game instead?

so gamewise, wanderer what do you do with a premature claim and someone going into aggressive mode when put under a tiny bit of pressure?

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You haven't actually brought about any meta, but are claiming to have it. Its been established that at best you cherry picked. At best.
You haven't established I 'gave my reads room' and instead have proven that you are reaching or don't know what contstituites a read.
You are continuing to fall back into you own push instead of trying to discuss.

no, I did not claim to have meta but an observation based on my quick review of your entry in a closed game. It was enough to tell me your start here was not your normal behavior. I quoted the posts that caused the reaction. You really want me to go pull some other games. I can really do that if it will stop you from throwing a tantrum. The fact is your behavior here is far more concerning then what I initially reacted to. Early claim, aggression, don't give a damn about town attitude.

[PeaceBringer]

OIC he

feels

. Carry on about how my reads are open but he feels. Thats a bad feel.

I had some reservation on my 2nd look back to my initial intuitive response. I have made statements on when I think some are clearly town. Fact is, I had a call and saw nothing to change my mind, in fact, I saw behavior that does not make sense with the claim. And sure, your behavior can be just fuck the town, I don't give a damn. Now I want to give you more credit than being a selfish cry baby who melts down at tiny pressure.

[PeaceBringer]

That's bji being bji. He seems to mean well.

This isnt a read. Its wrong. Period.

You're out here talking and boasting. Seems slightly town. From a play perspective.

Why is it so important to get that feedback?

Slightly town is not 'leaving room for a flip' its a nulltown read that is quite common on site. Its reachy.

pedit:Nope. But I think that scum can afford to hand out a few shallow townreads that they can retract later.

this is the quote, and everything up to that point was shallow... thus my alarm bells went off and here we are...

This again isn't a read.

and instead of dealing with that stuff in said manner and having a reason discussion about my reactions, you proceed to meltdown, tantrum, and prematurely claim

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Thats meta. You claimed to have meta to back it up and you responded to my posts about how you had meta but attempting to fake it.

those were the posts I read, came up to the quote I posted... then went and skimmed over one of current games, no idea town or scum as it was not finished and went to Something I think on page 35 or 36 of your posts selection. It was in the 30's as you have a lot of active games currently and took me a bit to find something completed and then something that was not a micro.

I claimed I looked at past games and did not see similar posts.

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and instead of dealing with that stuff in said manner and having a reason discussion about my reactions, you proceed to meltdown, tantrum, and prematurely claim

Wrong. I've been pulling this information with you like teeth. You are backtracking anf flipflopping like a madman.

You will be lynched.

good luck with that, and no you haven't you claimed before we even had any discussion. And you proceeded to tantrum. I haven't back track anything. In fact I am going to go back and find some games randomly and see if you had any such comments initially. Here is one- http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

the answer is nope there.

Now to go look at some more.

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next game- http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
you have a post 181 where you essential make a null statement, it comes off differently then the posts I reacted to in this game.
now off to another one...

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and instead of dealing with that stuff in said manner and having a reason discussion about my reactions, you proceed to meltdown, tantrum, and prematurely claim

Wrong. I've been pulling this information with you like teeth. You are backtracking anf flipflopping like a madman.

You will be lynched.

good luck with that, and no you haven't you claimed before we even had any discussion. And you proceeded to tantrum. I haven't back track anything. In fact I am going to go back and find some games randomly and see if you had any such comments initially. Here is one- http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

the answer is nope there.

Now to go look at some more.

Wrong. In 588 one of my first posts is a tunnel into House, complete with a huge postwall about why every post he made is scummy.

exactly, you took a stand and you stood by it, you didn't make any statements, well so and so seems town, oh I think they are okay, hmm, I guess they are town kind of statements. Tunneling is the exact opposite.

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another game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
these are just randomly finding a game- not one similar statement
and the tone of your play is similar in those three games and quite different than your town here imo...

that is just a quick sample, do I need to pull some more?

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you have a post 181 where you essential make a null statement, it comes off differently then the posts I reacted to in this game.
now off to another one...

This person is qualifying every town read and really not seen evidence of them doing that as town previously.

hmmm. much qualifying, so proof.

no, you did not state so and so is town, you stated I have no clue. It is quite different than what you said here, in this game.

[PeaceBringer]

Can you guys lynch it when you're done being dumbasses please? I've literally laid a whole case at your feet in solid-fucking gold.

what case? please show your work...

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next game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
here you called a null a null, you did suggest that someone was scum but were not sure, but what I am talking about, is the "--- seems town" stuff... I have yet to come across it in any of town games. I have not come across a scum game. It is different behavior in this game clearly, so it is certainly grounds for suspicion as any may have on a day one...

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Wow. He went back over a year to before my hiatus from the site. diggy diggy little scum. Way to bring up outdated meta.

just trying to find completed games as there are many uncompleted games. I have no idea of your history. I know nothing of you. Feel free to point me to a current completed game.

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most recent completed game-
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
deeper into the game you do same someones behavior seems town... in post 366 in that game. But tone is completely different than this game.

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I tried the wiki button and just got the general wiki when I did

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I picture young Dooku getting ready for high school, and it seems like a pro-town thing to say.

NJAC I cant read so good, but he wants Hana dead and I kinda agree.

I'm a little unsure about his early posting, but after a few pokes he's posting fine.

From 588

He literally is just quoting whole games now. For real guys? You're seriously going to ignore the whole bloody thing I've laid out?

all different town like I said 366 was similar but different than what posted in this game and much different. 749 you just say you cannot read, post 397 you outright say you are uncertain... none of those have the same tone as your posts in this game.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=60843 and in this one you have a "seems town" comment but then say probably cause it they are lurking-
your entire tone is different, old or new-

so your case is I am wrong about you and must be scum and that some how I knew that you would proceed to throw a tantrum under a little pressure, that is your case?
Yes, I make choices on little information... examine things for yourself... and that behavior is null regarding me...

[PeaceBringer]

and no explanation for early claim other than "messing with own meta"
nothing further to say to pisskop at this point

[PeaceBringer]

@Pisskop: you tell PB to go through your meta, you refuse to give any examples yourself, then PB goes to find stuff himself, and that's not right either? What are you trying to accomplish?

His case is in his "iso" he says

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He made a point about my meta, cherry picks games, and then makes generalities.

If there was a real point to his meta-pushing, he would be able to find many more examples of me having concrete reads and pushing them D1 instead of 'giving room'.

You dont go into meta and claim to have found a trend and then not be able to cite that trend amply.

your comment here is not even pointing to what my concern was, which was making statements that were being indirect. You told me to look at games. I went into your posts and looked for completed game as when I clicked wiki it went to general wiki- it was annoying anyway. If you want me to go over every fricking completed game to disable you "cherry pick" claim, fine... but I am not going to go picking quotes, looking over the iso of said games should be sufficient for anyone.

Now you got any defense for your anti-town premature claim?

[PeaceBringer]

You guys are really going at this game. Proddodge and yes I will post today

look forward to seeing what tact you take when you finally do engage...

[PeaceBringer]

it brings up the games thread today... musta mucked something up

[PeaceBringer]

No 550 is the mark of a player who has been on site for 12 years.

you cannot even bother to research who it is you are talking about. I have not spent "12" years playing here. I played about a year, year and half back then, got sick of some things and left.
I have only been back here within the past year... I have played variations of the game for well over a decade, yes... but your reasoning is, I am just so super experienced that I am a master at mafia and therefore have perfected looking town, that is your argument?

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No, he hasnt BBT. He put in the work after I started pressuring him. And his work is shit even for a purely meta case.

You're putting faith into this nasty work of a case that has clear as fucking day holes and you're, what, letting him go because he knows how to smack 'conviction' into his posts? Conviction comes from skill and experience, BBT. 12 fucking years of it should get you that.

I claimed because Im tired of talking to walls. Im tired of making well reasoned arguements and scumhunting and being scumread for it. Ive also explained this.

no you didn't, you claimed the minute you had the tiniest bit of pressure... you have not made any well reasoned arguments at all... and your case on me is that I am wrong on you...

[PeaceBringer]

So, more lynching PB.

basically, you are engaging in one huge OMGUS and throwing out so many scum tells in your response here it is not even funny. If you are town and doing this for your overall meta, shame on you...

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Pisskop announced it as being part of establishing a meta.
Well, next time he is scum he can go claim doctor and threaten to self-hammer and get away with it *because it's what he does as doctor*
And that's why I hate going on meta instead of what is

actually

happening in the game.

he screwed the town in order to mess with his meta... it is poor play

[PeaceBringer]

Could you please? With Slandaar flipping town, I'm pretty happy to sheep his logic from yesterday. Not only that, but the Slandaar NK makes a decent amount of sense for a scum trying to play toward a fake post restriction or just weird playstyle mode.

What makes you think scum killed Slandaar?

Either scum or a SK makes the most sense to me. Why would a town vig shoot Slandaar?

low hanging fruit distraction at worst?

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lol, seriously? 1 guilty and a claim... :rollseyes:

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Could you please? With Slandaar flipping town, I'm pretty happy to sheep his logic from yesterday. Not only that, but the Slandaar NK makes a decent amount of sense for a scum trying to play toward a fake post restriction or just weird playstyle mode.

What makes you think scum killed Slandaar?

Either scum or a SK makes the most sense to me. Why would a town vig shoot Slandaar?

low hanging fruit distraction at worst?

Hm? Can you explain this? I didn't see Slandaar as nearly an egregious example of this as a number of other players.

meaning probably lurker at worst, bad guy at best, that would be my guess

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lol, seriously? 1 guilty and a claim... :rollseyes:

You know me peacebringer. I always crave more information and I find this the most effective way.

well you won't be around to use the information...

[PeaceBringer]

Why aren't you voting Unlynchable today?

expressing my thoughts on the probable vig have nothing to do with how I am playing and voting... did you follow the conversation at all?

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Also going to say traditionally mods tend to put the mafia kill first then the others. So the slaandar being shoot by sk looks pretty suss to me especially when there's mafia motive to shoot him.

heh, given that the mod had issues and we got a death report with not flavor, hard to say anything...

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Other townies will

sadly, having done my share of "Setting" things up for town, they usually do not do what you would hope with the information that gets generated.

[PeaceBringer]

vote wanderer

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so does massive come out the bat and vote for Gamrer if both co-scum, don't think so...
not going that direction... gamrer engaged in a bad gambit imo... it will be worth sorting that out

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question is, is scripten putting out fake rage?

[PeaceBringer]

vote scripten

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I take it you're trying to claim town would pull that shit?

In my over a decade of playing this game, including where shtick and gambits are more apt, I have seen town do that kind of action more than once. I have rarely seen scum pull that shit. I have seen scum fake investigative when being run up but not seen that gambit played by scum. I also have played a bit with gamrer and would not put it past him to pull that non-sense.

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LOL @pressure on Scripten...are you guys fucking serious right now?

VOTE: Garmr

yes, I have seen this happen before. I have never seen scum do this. There is no +Ev for that to be a scum driven play. None. If town was to be idiotic, feel free to lynch gamrer...
there is absolutely no logic or examination of behavior...

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You're right...there is no way scum could have planned that because they don't have a chat...oh no, wait. Yes, yes they do have a chat.This is crazy and if Garmr flips scum (which is like 99%) you're next.

there would be no discussion over that... and usually there is not day talk, so yeah, scripten could do what gamrer suggests, those posts do look odd. Now as to the RVS vote that wouldn't come up in chat at all. Perhaps it is gamrer reading into scripten's actions...
can you please identify me the # of times you have seen scum actually engage in said behavior?
You act as if scum is stupid and that garmer is particularly stupid and would engage in such a high risk action as scum with limited benefit for scum. 1 mislynch going to be worth it? It might make sense if move into next day. And then add in that gamrer did have massive as suspect?
where would you have been on a massive vote? Not gone there at all right, would just be lock and loaded on gamrer...
start using the detail oriented, logical brain of yours and look at the facts and likely motivations...

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I've noticed that some scum really like to RVS their buddies.

really, some scum like to avoid any association with buddy. Weaksauce there unless you can establish that as a massive meta...
you can by and large say about any given behavior "Some scum do that"

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Hm. Maybe I'm being hardheaded with PB, but I seriously cannot see town holding the viewpoint that Garmr isn't confscum.

If it wasn't obvious, I wasn't going for VCA. I was pointing out associatives. Wanted to try a wholly logical approach.

point me to ONE GAME where SCUM did what Garmr did and I will join the lynch party. Prove that scum have and do engage in such an action...

[PeaceBringer]

lynch without words, really...
now I got to look things over...
:shakeshead:

[PeaceBringer]

claim that is... plenty of words after...

[PeaceBringer]

okay, some idiot roleblocked me, I am the vig... I was trying to kill unlynchable last night...
go check my ISO if you doubt me. I even explained my n1 kill.

[PeaceBringer]

here are my thoughts-

down to BBT, unlynchable, and RC
RC didn't act...
BBT can be town and throwing a conniption but had a potential slip...
I am guessing BBT is the roleblocker who blocked me unless mafia has a RB...
which is possible.... as we had a tracker and doc...
we have RC without an action... so...

[PeaceBringer]

guess mafia roleblocker makes sence
Garmr VT
RC VT?
leaves BBT and Unlynchable...
imo

[PeaceBringer]

Alright so the mod clarified how my BP works.

Peacebringer, please confirm that you were honest about your target. Won't hold it against you at all if you change.

yes, I was honest, I even shared my thinking. No way I would have targeted you.

Hammer vote unlynchable

.... if he is not scum I am a monkey's uncle

[PeaceBringer]

@BBT: You had a tough row to hoe there at the end. I think you played well but the deck was stacked against you. Good game.

If I wasn't around to defend it, may not have...

[PeaceBringer]

RC's a lot more dangerous when she has no one to convince but herself. Gotta keep that in mind

same with me essentially

[PeaceBringer]

and thoughts of me being SK were basic paranoia that game generates... if I was a SK I most certainly would not have basically told town the reason for the kill...

[PeaceBringer]

Is it bad that I was extremely happy that bji was the night kill and it probably helped town out that he was at that point.

I think it would have helped more if you had been NK'd, but in the end, the game was won, mostly because PB hit massive and then made a good call against Unlynchable. Really, PB was the MVP of this game.

Nah I don't think it would of helped I think it would of put the game in a unwinnable state since scum wouldn't of killed me and that would force peacebringer to meaning massive wouldn't of been shot and you seemed to have a town read boner for massive at the end of day 2. Then I see bbt using you as a tool to lynch monofgun and winning.

Will agree that peacebringer was mvp he was easy to town read but then again if it was me killed and you alive I can easily see you going to lynch peace bringer judging from your talks in the dead thread. Only after information was revealed that town didn't have did you actually start making correct assumptions.

You're very pompous and I really hope I never play with you again.

massive's play caused me to kill him and probably would have regardless...