Mini 1674: A Minimalist Text Adventure (Fire's Out)

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VOTE: Pieguyn

>:)

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I don't want to vote BBT because he's super easy to read and I don't really have any other people worth voting.

Question for everyone:

Do you think that scum or town roles are harder to play effectively and why?

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What's your read on me?

Me to know, you to find out.

What is the purpose of this question?

Answer it and you'll find out.

Or we can tell jokes instead.

Why did the chicken cross the road?

He wanted to go to the evil mafia member's house.

Want another joke?

Knock knock.

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I said, "Knock knock."

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Tough crowd.

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I'm going to VOTE: Bins.

I'll be useful later, I promise.

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I'm honestly actually being useful now but what I'm doing has no immediate dividends.

I'll have a final verdict on BBT!Alignment later today.

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I'm leaning scum on BBT this game FYI.

But I'll get a better answer later.

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Why would I, when I could instead wait and get a more definitive answer?

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More like, I can very reliably read him.

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So when I come out later and say he's town or scum you know that I'm right.

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But no, I think easy is a very suitable choice of words there and I'm surprised you didn't garner my meaning.

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It's the kind of act that immediately gets you voted but earns you towncred in the long run usually.

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Hesitance to commit to a read on someone who I'm not sure of yet?

VOTE: BlankFace

That's the most bullshit anti-town crap I have heard in a long time and if you're town this town is better off without you.

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Don't rush me or I'll call you scum just to get you out of my hair.

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But should I?

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VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

That answer enough for you?

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I think you're scum at any rate because of how quickly you assume that I'm town.

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I don't plan on it.

Lynch BBT please.

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Quit noting the hesitance and vote me if you think I'm scum.

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Goddamnit.

VOTE: Bins

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I'm town!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Between Blankface and BBT I'm finding it difficult to play this game seriously.

I'm just going to vote Bins and hope she gets lynched today.

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He's a lumberjack and he's O.K.
He sleeps all night and he works all day!

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I have a strong feeling that BBT/Blank are a scumteam and Blank's looking for a weak link in the wagon to clear it out and latched onto me because he doesn't understand me and assumed that I'm a weak player because of the way I'm acting.

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I already know you know I'm not a weak player. Don't make me laugh.

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At any rate, BBT, I only judge people based on their town game.

Being able to lie to people is a useful skill, certainly, but it's not really laudable.

Being able to detect liars, to protect others from the dishonest, to develop that sixth sense to know who to be wary around, that's what counts.

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So says the one that likes to fake guilties...

Yeah, but this is a game.

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Scum here.

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Notice that Blankface is a little less strained now that momentum has died on BBT.

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I don't even know you.

If playing with me is such a bad experience, why'd you join the game?

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I'm tentatively willing to replace out if people are unhappy with me being in the game.

If I get 3 pms asking me to step out I will.

however

this is a one time thing. If you don't want to play with me, don't join another game where I'm in the lobby.

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I would note that my vote is still on BBT.

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Great scott I was not I thought this was a theme game.

Wait a minute, how can I be lyncher with target BBT if this is a normal game...

Bulge, you liar!

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That comment wasn't addressed at the mod, either.

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It's a vote I've been seriously considering it it makes you feel better.

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I can't get any traction on this meta slapfight

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I don't want to wade through this crap.

VOTE: Sakura Hana

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Please wagon me.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

No one in this game will care about my reads after I'm dead. Just get me out of it.

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I'm scum.

Lynch me on that principle.

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Blank, just lynch me.

I know you're scum, you know I know you're scum, I'm tired of this crap.

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This whole Notscience situation has ruined the game for me.

I'm not wading through it and my content is being ignored.

I'm vengeful anyway.

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Can you guys just kiss and make up and let us all go on with our lives?

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Can you guys just kiss and make up and let us all go on with our lives?

?

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You can say I'm too sensitive but I find this painful to read through and it's making me want to replace out or get lynched.

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VOTE: BBT

This slot is still scum.

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If everyone scumreads me why is no one voting me?

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Blank, you're really not the suave mafioso you think you are.

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Hey BlankFace, I broke up with my ex girl, here's her number.

Spoiler: 9053996521

PSYCHE ITS THE WRONG NUMBER

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I don't argue with scum.

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Don't ask me for content then.

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Sakura, do you doubt my scumhunting ability?

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I have no arguments to make that will mean anything to you.

However, as far as his current posting goes, I think he's scum.

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I've tried.

I'm just not on the same wavelength.

I don't try anymore.

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Here's literally just one example of me fully outlining why someone is scum, to the point where I'd be willing to cop guilty them, and getting no useful response from town. The person who was pretty confirmed scum made it to LyLo in spite of my best efforts where I hammered them.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=61419

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feel that is not a strong enough word.

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Like hell there was even a pregame where the scum said I wasn't going to be a threat because no one was going to listen to me.

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You will offer, I will post, you will say "oh that's not really alignment indicative", I will give you a questioning look through the internet, we will all move on with our lives.

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Is this the real life

Is this just fantasy

Caught in a landslide

no escape from reality...

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482 - RC, why are you considering voting for NS?

I just voted you
and this is crazy

but your scum game's shitty
so self vote maybe?

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But if you pronounce it vode it's still comprehensible but maintains the structure while still being comprehensible.

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I like Blank face's points on Sakura.

I'd consider a hop over there but for the present I'm committed to BBT.

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I meant Mala. I read it, I promise!

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Also I figured any scumread i had that was on actual scum wouldn't ever get traction anyway, meh, why didn't i just quit mafia back then.

Is this addressed at me?

I can't garner a meaning from it.

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well that's probably because I haven't been reading your posts because you said you were going to ignore mien.

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Forgive the new guy here, but what's the difference between meta and policy?

Meta is using pervious experience with a player to define their alignment.
policy is more of a you want to lynch a player because they'll be a problem and anti-town regardless of alignment so you want to weed em out first.

I don't really like the practice of policy, there's WotO and WotC and so many other options that can be used instead, and also BBT's supposed policy of notty is faulty.

to protect others from

the dishonest

So says the one that likes to fake guilties...

btw @BlankFace: RC always plays like that, and i kinda wanted to WotC him (also because i know he has a tendency to do ANYTHING to get his scumreads lynched, like faking guilties), but oh well. I can never tell what he's thinking, but i dont remember ever playing a game with scum-him so i don't know if his scumgame is similar to his town game or anything, so im probs just gonna put him as null and ignore him for the most of the game.

Oh right, RC might be scum too. If not for the fact that he feels more like a distracting shiny object than scum.

Blank, stop getting distracted by shiny objects. I said RC's best ignored, and now you see why.

I don't like Sakura stating he plans on ignoring RC for the majority of the game.

Well it was something I talked about with Mystery Current Player while the game was in signups because i wanted to WotC RC, but Mystery Current Player told me that it wasn't an issue because RC could just be ignored. (And to be fair im doing a bad job at ignoring him anyway)

You're going to try to take the moral high ground after all that?

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How about you apologize to me and then we move on from this like nothing ever happened.

Is that a deal?

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but ignoring other people just to satisfy your ego filled hunger that's capable of faking a cop guilty to get them lynched isn't right.

Why do you think I was ignoring you?

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Forgive the new guy here, but what's the difference between meta and policy?

Meta is using pervious experience with a player to define their alignment.
policy is more of a you want to lynch a player because they'll be a problem and anti-town regardless of alignment so you want to weed em out first.

I don't really like the practice of policy, there's WotO and WotC and so many other options that can be used instead, and also BBT's supposed policy of notty is faulty.

to protect others from

the dishonest

So says the one that likes to fake guilties...

btw @BlankFace: RC always plays like that, and i kinda wanted to WotC him (also because i know he has a tendency to do ANYTHING to get his scumreads lynched, like faking guilties), but oh well. I can never tell what he's thinking, but i dont remember ever playing a game with scum-him so i don't know if his scumgame is similar to his town game or anything, so im probs just gonna put him as null and ignore him for the most of the game.

Oh right, RC might be scum too. If not for the fact that he feels more like a distracting shiny object than scum.

Blank, stop getting distracted by shiny objects. I said RC's best ignored, and now you see why.

I don't like Sakura stating he plans on ignoring RC for the majority of the game.

Well it was something I talked about with Mystery Current Player while the game was in signups because i wanted to WotC RC, but Mystery Current Player told me that it wasn't an issue because RC could just be ignored. (And to be fair im doing a bad job at ignoring him anyway)

You're going to try to take the moral high ground after all that?

Think any of that stuff might have played a role?

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Like it's literally not alignment related at all.

You've been a dick to me and you're somewhat of a townread so I felt pretty OK just not reading your posts.

Do you see why after all that I would feel that way?

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So you think I'm perfectly happy about you saying that you wanted to votekick me from the game

or that you asked a "friend" and got them to answer that you should just ignore me?

Yeah, that's gonna make me real happy with you.

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Alright, thank you.

I'll get back to you on BBT once I have something usable.

I'd be willing to vote Mala but not until BBT is caught up and responds at the very least.

Sigh, i'm really sorry, i tend to speak out of line a lot. I should've just kept that to myself, tho at least i did express my honest feelings about you as a player, fair's fair tho, you signed up first for this, if you want i'll replace out and leave you alone.

That's up to you, but I'd prefer you keep your "honest feelings about me as a player" to yourself.

(Besides ppl keep ignoring me anyways)

That's mafia, I guess.

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Oh god fine I'll vote Mala but if this hits town we're doing things my way tomorrow.

VOTE: Malakittens

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Keep in mind that there's some pretty bad pre-flip associative tells between the two of them, which is a large part of the reason I'm switching votes.

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I don't see how anyone could come to the conclusion that my vote swap is weird if they read.

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AKA I'm willing to vote Mala because she's AtEing me furiously but I still think BBT is scum.

What's weird about that?

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Right now it feels like you're intentionally warping reality to fit your scumread on me and not vice versa. Probably coming from a scum mindset.

she = Sakura Hana.

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So are you still claiming that you find anything at all weird about my vote switch?

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So you're really not willing to commit to saying yeah that vote switch was perfectly reasonable after all this?

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Annie <3

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That role though.

Can't seers only detect werewolves?

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Unless the Werewolf faction has a traitor.

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Maybe we're looking at

Mafia kills odds
Werewolves kill evens
Werewolves are 2 + 1 traitor
Mafia are 2

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When you consider two scumteams and the fact that we've already had a pr flip and the fact that traitor's like a half-scum, it seems pretty reasonable.

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Also, I'm pretty sure Mala's abilities included Seer and Cop so she would have known this was multiball most likely.

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Oh that reminds me. I'm surprised I'm still alive, would have thought you'd have learned better.

VOTE: BBT

Unless you couldn't kill.

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That's funny because I was V/LA near the end of the day when the awful hammer happened.

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Oh, and one of my other tools of the trade if you will is a non-first day dayvig so

kill BBT

get out of here.

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So basically I just killed two scum for you. You're welcome.

Here's a third.

VOTE: Notscience

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That was too unconvincing to even leave out.

VOTE: BBT

I retract my claim.

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I'm just here so I won't get fined.

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Also, the non-WW team would probably not want to lynch any werewolves.

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I'm leaning scum on BBT but realize that with his current flippant GTing he'll be impossible to read.

That said, I'd be willing to lynch him purely on policy.

I see no reason to change votes atm.

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dw, we'll look at him after you.

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Well, 1037 is certainly odd.

It's not even

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BBT, what is your stance on whether or not Annie is the best champion in the league?

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BBT not even responding to my relevant points regarding the gamestate.

Lynch it with fire. Hehe, fire.

eeny, meeny, miney, burn!

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why have you not responded to me?

meanwhile...

BBT, what is your stance on whether or not Annie is the best champion in the league?

BBT's still scum by the way, jokes aside.

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Also, a bunch of people trying to make the BBT wagon ont happen.

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Blankface, if you're town you're making a horrible mistake because if I'm alive there's no way I'll vote anyone over you after today.

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Your mistake is being scum.

I guess I can't blame you for that.

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I'm going to win.

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Many scumteams have found out that lynching RC is not as easy as it appears to be.

There's a reason BBT isn't trying.

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Says the scum who is not going to win.

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Share the booze, would ya?

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We'll care about other people after you're dead.

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Let's be real here tho, town at L-1 would have been hammered by now.

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Everyone not on BBT jumping around trying to see if they can get something else started.

*eyeroll*

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I'd happily policy Bulge, but I'm not going to do anything until BBT gets lynched.

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I can't explain why because it's heavily related to ongoing games but you should be able to figure it out yourself, even if others can't.

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That's got nothing to do with it.

If a Soren or RC wagon happens, I'd gladly hop on.

That has everything to do with it.

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You're either completely inept at the game or are intentionally pretending to be in order to sort out some grievance with me.

Either way, I've had it with you.

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But you think I'm scum this game, which means that I'm just trying to emotionally manipulate you and control town's votes...

right?

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It's related to this game.

He's been pushing me on absolute crap the entire game and I'm tired of it.

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If he's town, there's no way he gets night killed the way he's keeping up, and unless I get killed before then we absolutely can't have him in LyLo and even if I do we still don't want him in LyLo.

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When you see BBT's scum flip, then we can talk about me tunneling people.

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RC is tunneling on me (looking forward to post game for this)

Which assumes that I'm town which contradicts

I could see RC being scum

and

'd be up for an RC wagon.

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So what do you really think about me right now? Lay it out.

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Is that your final answer?

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I'm just here so I won't be fined.

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No, I'm quite sure you're scum right now.

You're keeping your emotions way in check when interacting with me, which you didn't in 1668 and nothing between us has really changed, which suggests that you're trying to avoid a situation like 1662 where you overreacted and made your alignment clear.

I mean I could be wrong and your flat emotional affect and your really weird interactions with me could be caused by something besides you being scum. But if I can't engage you to try to figure more out, I'm going with you as null, which due to the above is I suspect because you're playing your cards extremely close to the chest to try to throw me (and others) off.

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Plus, this game's "commit to a read" plus you completely failing to follow it up when I called you scum (which was a reaction test) is completely lacking the visceral force that it had in the last game when you were complaining in the following

214/215 - Remember these two posts RC when you see I'm town. Remember what I just told you at the end of the game we just finished as well.

You'll see I was right.

You think you can meta read me based on one game? There are players who use meta almost exclusively to read people and still cannot read me correctly.

You haven't noticed jack shit. You scum read my play-style and personality and not what is actually alignment indicative. The sooner you realise this, the better.

which was actually the point where you became a townread.

Your confidence is completely gone in a way that it wasn't when you weren't facing town!RC and I could really see that coming from scum!BBT in this context.

You also didn't respond when I deliberately tried to provoke you by insulting your mafia game, which is actually a scummy reaction because it seems likely that you realized what I was doing and chose explicitly to ignore it because, as discussed, your emotional reactions are the weakness of your scum game.

I'd expect Town!BBT to have responded to that somewhere along the lines of calling me a fucking moron and reiterating that my reads were terrible.

So now that we have that established, who is down for a BBT lynch?

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Yeah, but that's not how you'd say it.

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You're keeping your reactions way too flat and obviously you were way less in people's faces in 1668 vs 1674 but there's no reason for you to be this subdued after you were N2ed last game.

Your confidence level is way too low and I see no reason to believe it's anything other than you trying to control the tells that I in particular am getting from you.

Anyway, I could play poke the Annie until you squeal but this, after all, just a game.

So I'll lynch you today instead.

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You're keeping your reactions way too flat and obviously you were way less in people's faces in 1668 vs 1674 but there's no reason for you to be this subdued after you were N2ed last game.

Your confidence level is way too low and I see no reason to believe it's anything other than you trying to control the tells that I in particular am getting from you.

Anyway, I could play poke the Annie until you squeal but this, after all, just a game.

So I'll lynch you today instead.

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That double posting though. Pls deleterino cappucino moderinoeraterino binerinoes.

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After what I said, if you're town, you being lynched would be your own damned fault anyway.

Absolutely, if you refuse to engage with me or with the game, I can't read you effectively. I'm not "reading" you this game besides interpret the causes of my inability to read you and what it means.

If you're town at this point, it means your goal with this entire game was to get me to lynch you, which congratulations! you succeeded.

Now what exactly would it have proven?

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Just as a note to others, none of the above means that my scumread on BBT has faded in any way.

I just want to it understood, in game and not after, it the roots of the read.

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And holy fuck I cannot spelling and grammar at 5 in the morning

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Because Town!BBT wouldn't try to hold back from the provocation, even if he realized it.

I also think you (RC) have a niggling doubt about your scum read on me but you're not allowing yourself to reconsider because...ego?

No, I'm "not reconsidering" because of what I discussed above.

You refusing to respond to it in any direct fashion indicates to me that you're afraid to make your alignment clear, which indicates scum. If you want to cry the game's a shitfest then go ahead, but if you're town there's a reason you're getting lynched right now.

Of course I have doubts. I don't need to be 100% positive fakeclaim cop with guilty to vote people or profess scumreads on them or even call them scum, because the reactions the votes get often confirm or deny my suspicions.

You are obstinately refusing to put yourself in a position where I can read you, and that makes you, at best, extremely uncooperative town who is going to be mislynched on their own dime.

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After what I said, if you're town, you being lynched would be your own damned fault anyway.

Absolutely, if you refuse to engage with me or with the game, I can't read you effectively. I'm not "reading" you this game besides interpret the causes of my inability to read you and what it means.

If you're town at this point, it means your goal with this entire game was to get me to lynch you, which congratulations! you succeeded.

Now what exactly would it have proven?

So exactly what you've been doing all game to this point?

Will be home later.

Trying to get BBT to drop some tells one way or the other.

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You notice that BBT, the only person in here with any understanding at all of the way I operate, knew I was town?

Strongly consider that before you try to push a lynch onto me.

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Well I was about to flatline Pieguyn but she's already flipped, so I'm going to do the next best thing right now.

VOTE: Blankface

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Why is my friend dead though

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Obviously he took a more neutral position before he was guaranteed lynched so that he could push on me if it was necessary to protect himself, but it should be fairly clear to anyone with the way that he went down that BBT townread me.

I'm not going to argue with this fail town. Town MVPs so far, besides me, are the SK and the mafia themselves.

VOTE: RC

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I mean, I did lynch the SK.

You can say what you want, being you, but I think that justifies me being considered a town MVP up to this point.

Why are you quoting this?

Because he's rattled that I was right.

For what reasons?

You say that, but I'd be fine lynching you if you were an IC because of how useless you are.

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You're welcome, sweetie

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Whose there?

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Vote who?

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#sawthatcoming

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At any rate, I'm ready to finish the game.

2-shot seer here. I had a guilty on BBT overnight and I have another guilty on NM tonight.

Your move.

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Oh crap, I shouldn't have claimed seer. Oh well.

Fakeclaim ruined

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But seriously though, NM is the scum.

Blankface and Soren are the VIs who stand between me and him today.

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Well, I had no better way of dealing with you so that's how I did it.

I'd have just left things as they were and given NM his chance if he didn't decide to go super cocky mode like that.

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Bulge, you're calling me a VI?

please.

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I don't have the energy to defend myself against this lynch.

I got the scum I wanted. NM is the other one.

Just hammer me, and think better of lynching obvtown next time.

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Really too bad for you that you didn't.

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There never really was much activity in this game.

At the start there was a whole bunch of crap between some meta reads, which while activity was useless until, and then D2 was virtually entirely me pushing on BBT and getting him lynched and him trying to create other wagons.

Between poorly performing newbies like Blankface, scum!NM seeing me as an easy wagon plus seeing the value in having me dead, and a bunch of equally poorly performing but more experienced people voting me, I'm absolutely fed up with this game and no one is able or willing to pick up where I left off so yeah, reads and activity is going to stagnate whether or not I get lynched today, and mafia will perhaps worm their way through to the end as a result.

I mean, if you both wanted to win and were mechanically skilled enough to know how to make that happen, unless you had a cop guilty on me I would be the last person you'd be voting today.

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That logic is terrible considering that I was on BBT since before the night phase.

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Good blatant misrep of the game, though.

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GG!

I'll refrain from making any further comments here.

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Don't lynch me