Mini 1685: BooneyToonz II - Looney Tunes

[Varsoon]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

I've got a guilty on this slot.
Show, road, etc.

[Varsoon]

C'mon, Aneninen, don't be contrarian.
Let's just lynch scum, okay?

[Varsoon]

B-but, muh guilty.

[Varsoon]

So many BBs in this game

[Varsoon]

This is crawling.
Why haven't you guys lynched RC yet?
D1 ends fast, we can roll to 2, etc.

[Varsoon]

It's real no brains stuff.

[Varsoon]

I'm actually all for a shorter D1. I think most D1s become a horrible 100 page mess that's filled with rubbish.
I suppose the idea is to tease out some scummy rhetoric from a player (both sides want this) so a lynch can be justified.
Honestly, I think we're just as good with a roll of the dice.
Then we've got a lynch and NK analysis we can do D2.
Jump right into the nitty gritty and all that.

I guess RECKONER rubbed off on me;
Run someone up to L-1 early.
Get them to claim.
Respond the the claim.
Either lynch or rinse and repeat.

Of course, eh, that still gives claims a bit too much power, and I hate that, but it's better than a hundred pages of bickering.

[Varsoon]

Open 495: 38 pages, town lynch
Open 512: 107 pages, scum lynch
Xenosaga: 62 pages, scum lynch
Mini 1515: 77 pages, town lynch
Open 626: 47 pages, town lynch
Touhou: 97 pages, scum lynch
Touhou Upick2: 60 pages, town lynch
Cave Story Mafia: 56 pages, scum lynch
Dangan Ranpa 2: 32 pages, town lynch
Open 569: 126 pages, scum lynch
Drawn on Arrival: 36 pages, scum lynch
Varsoon Mafia: 56 pages, town lynch
Pathfinder Mafia: 58 pages, town lynch
New York 182: 44 pages, town lynch.

In my experience, it doesn't really matter and town get lynched over half the time on D1 anyway.

[Varsoon]

But, yes, in the few games I have been in where there has literally been a 100 page (or so) D1, scum has been lynched every time.

[Varsoon]

(I wanna say that joke someone made about Dr.Dolittle being IC so he should become Dr.DoMuch was pretty funny by the way--but also, yes, please be an active IC)

What do you like about the Salamence vote?

I still think that RC needs a lynchy lynch.

[Varsoon]

I'm trying to be useful by getting your scum-butt lynched, RC.
That said, I'm fine with a strat of follow-the-IC.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Salamence2015

[Varsoon]

Flip flop

Following the IC.
Where do you get off being critical?
Wagon on you is going nowhere, RC. Besides, you think Salamence wagon is

useful

, so this should be like the coolest thing for you.

[Varsoon]

i like the salamence vote

the fact that salamence is exasperatingly worrying about a speedlynch bothers me, especially since the wagon is formed by RVS and is of little importance. it may indicate that he wants to look town, but my read could be wrong.

I'm fine with a strat of follow-the-IC.

No one could have seen this coming!

[Varsoon]

Don't worry, I'm town.
Boonskies put me in a masonry.

[Varsoon]

I'm still skeptical of RC, it's not like I'm saying "Oh! RC is definitely town!"
'cus I'm not.
I just wanted to move past an RVS vote because it wasn't accomplishing much.
I also kiiiiinda wanted to see how you and RC would react to me piling on there.

I'm wondering why you chose to engage with me over Mainez, who you haven't mentioned at all. :/

[Varsoon]

Look, BBM, I didn't out who -else- was in the Masonry. That's on you!
Swapped to Sala 'cus the IC likes it and because RC wagon wasn't budging.
Also 'cus Salamence is really floundering around a lot, it feels.

[Varsoon]

Oh haaai~
prod dodging
BEEN VERY BUSY IRL

[Varsoon]

Yeah, so.... we lynch Sala?

I assure you that there's at least one neighborhood that's all-clear.
There's also kind of an actual reason why I said mine was a masonry, too.
But people are

dense

.

[Varsoon]

I hope to high heaven that RC was being a snarky ass. Otherwise we start there because I know our neighborhood doesn't have daytalk.

Oh hey yeah this.

[Varsoon]

I think Salamence is L-1.

Intent to hammer

Yeah so Im a 2-shot Jailkeeper.

Lynch away.

VOTE: Salamence

Wooooo~

[Varsoon]

I thought RC claimed something like that, but an ISO-check didn't show anything so, uh, Sala wagon and if that turns out sour then we can just do the RC tomorrow?

[Varsoon]

Salamence is voting for two different players at once?

Nope. Fixed.

[Varsoon]

I actually have no clue why BBM went along with my 'lol WE ARE MASONS' thing. Every other Neighborhood I've suggested that in (in other games) has been like, 'Ehe, no.'
I don't see how that's scummy, though. :l

I

also

really don't like that BBT is running such a hard case on me that's founded on loads of him being unable to read the game properly. One of his first points was that I said I was following the IC to lynch on Sala 'but the IC was not voting Sala'. Nevermind that the IC had an outspoken scumread there

and

later went to vote for Sala.

VOTE: BBT
For, I'unno, lying to try to get town (me!) lynched.


Also, all this 'IF ONE OF BBM OR VARSOON IS SCUM THE OTHER DEFINITELY IS' shit needs to stop. As it turns out, two dudes in a neighborhood can claim masons and both of 'em could be different alignments. Hell, I'm pretty damn sure my 'hood is all town.


But, like, if you guys don't want to listen to me and you just wanna lynch whoever, please lynch me first. I've got a lot on my plate right now (not just on-site, but in meatworld, too) and the last thing I need is to come back to a game where town's self-destructing because they're too dense to even read the game properly.

[Varsoon]

I think the only reason you go along with it, knowing you aren't masons, is if you can control the kill. Varsoon, at the very least, could actually BE a mason outside our neighborhood. You however, tied your wagon to him, creating mutually-assured destruction if one of you dies. Guess you weren't planning on one of you dying.

vote BBmolla

And, actually, reconsidering this, uh, yeah, this.
VOTE: BBM

BBT, you're still not off the hook for lying like that. Also, I know it might earn some townpoints with folks to come back into a game swinging, but it doesn't seem genuine to me when it's founded on misreps.

[Varsoon]

Nah, replacing out is lame.

[Varsoon]

All this BBM thrashing!
Chill, man. I know I'm a baddie, but play through that.
At this point, I'm still G with a lynch on you.
I'm real sketch on BBT, RC, and Massive, I guess.
If you guys need to lynch me to continue the game, that's k.
I'm town n junk. So, /eh?

[Varsoon]

Ooor we could lynch scum.
:l

[Varsoon]

Like, I love your weird take on this, BBT,
"Oh look how scummy Varsoon is being."
Wouldn't I, as scum, -want- to come off as town at this point?
It wouldn't be hard to put forth a ton of effort and look like I was town.
:/

[Varsoon]

Sorry I don't live up to your awesome expectations?

[Varsoon]

Tryin' to, but everyone's all 'bleh look at that scumbutt'.

[Varsoon]

BBT

.

I'mma go back to this.

[Varsoon]

I mussed my tags.
VOTE: BBT.

'cus I'm your mislynch, buddy.

[Varsoon]

Hardly. Stop trying to convey me as such.
:l

[Varsoon]

I mussed my tags.
VOTE: BBT.

'cus I'm your mislynch, buddy.

Varsoon why would BBT not hop on my wagon if he wanted an easy mislynch

Dunno 'bout that.
Ask BBT?

[Varsoon]

Oh, I was just saying I was a mason, 'cus.
I don't think I said 'I am masons with BBM' or anything like that.
:l
When Boon sent me the PM, I was all, "Oh, cool, a neighborhood... OR IS IT A MASONRY, EH EH?"
'cus yeah, I can def-def see my hood being all town.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, and I'm going to operate on the assumption my neighborhood is all town.

[Varsoon]

BBM, you're <3

[Varsoon]

Why actually claim it?
'cus why not?
It'd be a good way to gauge my neighborhood's reactions and I could maybe scum would wanna kill me for it.

[Varsoon]

Mainez, I was pretty sure before the game opened.

[Varsoon]

Pisskop, does your neighborhood have daychat? Your thoughts on another player (zeb, I think) made it sound that way.

I'm sketch on RC, who has all but disappeared and seems a bit aimless, but, /shrug.

BBT's still scummin' it up.

I think BBM might be a bit too transparently chain-posting appeals each time his wagon gets run up, but, eh.

[Varsoon]

He's in my neighborhood, not offering content, stating obvious things in distance and wordy ways, not reading as evident by his posts, and acting nothing like the town him is known to act. So all that and meta Ihave accrued from being on his team and against him.

vote him.

I suppose everything after the first comma could be unrelated to the opening clause.
:/

[Varsoon]

seems a bit aimless

Which would usually be extremely towny, no?

Nah, there's really no 'town' or 'scum' qualities.
I could push you over some made up rubbish about directness and engagement, but, eh.
No?

[Varsoon]

It his ass or yours today, V.

Real?
'cus I don't think that's the case.
And I'm not gonna vote some dude over that sort of fiction/self preservation.
Does he have a better chance of being scum than me? 100%, since I know my alignment is town.
Does that make him someone I care to vote for or push a wagon on? Not really.

[Varsoon]

Oh, didn't realize that it's the wagon DDL's on.
VOTE: Zebulin
Hyup.

[Varsoon]

Hey, TSO, can you save me from the nothing I've become?
Y'know.
Wake me up inside.
Save meeee.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: RC

Yeah come on seriously why not?

And I am in a masonry.
With the mod.
We both know I'm town.

[Varsoon]

Here's an idea;
The neighborhoods are a distraction.
Forget they exist.
Let's just lynch scum independent of that nonsense.

[Varsoon]

Stop talkin' about it and do it, then.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: pisskop
Whatever ends the day.

[Varsoon]

Play better.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, let's lynch PK.

[Varsoon]

but I'm town.

Sure, the pisskop wagon looks bad. So what? Lynch that shit.
If he flips town, then we can lynch off the wagon.
Ez pz.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, PK's the lynch for today, c'mon.

[Varsoon]

I can understand and get behind why BBM and I faked Mason claims.
I can't wrap around why you'd like about being a neighbor.

[Varsoon]

I'm not putting in the full force I could here, to be honest.
I can't really go hard in the paint, but if you want what's really real;
out of Zebulin, Salamence20, RadiantCowbells, Varsoon, BlueBloodedToffee;

RC and BBT are my top picks for scum.
After that, Salamence.
After that, Zebulin.

I'm town. Let's not lynch me.
TSO, I'm willing to play this along with you, but you gotta keep me in the game.
Like, give me some direction here.
I can cook up a reads list if need be.

[Varsoon]

General lack of focus that I expect from town that really wants to push out a scum lynch,
BBT seems to kinda push whatever's working and look worked up about it,
There was some misrepping and trying really hard to make a case on me earlier that relied on a lot of the sensationalism going on after it came out I lied about the mason thing.

So, 2-parts scummy game approach, 1 part OMGUS.

Unlike Pisskop, RC, and BBM who are all problematic, BBT's play comes across as scummy more than just anti-town in nature.
I guess it kind helps that I've got the informed position of knowing I'm town, though. :/

[Varsoon]

VOTE: BBT
One sec.

[Varsoon]

Why are you sheeping me if I'm wrong so often?

Where have you seen me be so wrong?

It's deflections like this--rather than just moving into a defensive mode, BBT immediately says 'Well you've been sheeping my scummy/wrong play."
The second line is a wild-goose chase. I see scum do this shit all the time to drag out games. They're always, "SHOW ME WHERE THAT HAPPENED."
and then when you take the several minutes to quote something

everyone can ISO and see anyway

, they just deflect more and waste even more time.
It's a pain in the ass.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Zebulin

Gonna just park behind the IC some more.

[Varsoon]

Uggggggggh, but

effort

I'll just go grab a bunch of posts from his ISO that I don't like.

[Varsoon]

Spoiler: A bunch'a voting and scumpainting like everyone. Lot'sa deflection. I'unno, maybe I'm crazy.

I see.

So you're SK?

I did just give him some town points.

He deserved them.

You could vote scum with me?

Actually, because I'm town that means massive is scum.

VOTE: massive

This is true. Plus, he is clearly lurking.

mm I really think BBT is scum. js

You got me.

Too good.

BBT wagon sucks

Why does it?

VOTE: RC

If theres any scum on the BBT wagon, I feel this is a good place to start.

Everyone get off this L-2 wagon on page three for fucks sake.

Really not a fan of you defending me this early.

1) it's L-3
2) I have a 100% success rate at reading BBT and will be on that wagon and trying to coax reactions until I get a useful reaction.

Until that time, those who claim to oppose the enemy will do well not to hinder us.

Really? We gonna do this again already? You have misread me twice so far.

I'm kinda thinking all of a sudden I shouldn't blindly accept pre-in requests.

No response for me? Did you actually roll scum massive?

Would be funny.

Role-fishing you newb

I didn't exaggerate your defending of me. I quoted the relevant posts.

You're trying to blame me solely for you having to fake-claim? Please.

I also wasn't the only one who thought your defence of me was weird, so, why me?

Not really, no.

Not when it's a pretty shitty claim and you're scummy as fuck.

You missed the rest of the post as well...

Varsoon.

Molla/Massive/Varsoon.

There is at least one scum in these three people.

UNVOTE:

Will reread this at some point. We really do need to lynch inside the neighbourhood though.

Nobody should be considering anything else.

Molla/Varsoon/Massive.

Lynching in these three. RC/pisskop might be scum trying to muddy the waters. We sort the original neighbourhood out first and go from there.

Will catch up on this game at some point.

I'm done with Varsoon. We'll lynch him if he continues like this, but he looks sorta town so I'm not putting the effort to sort through his crap.

Varsoon is town because....?

VOTE: Salamence20

VOTE: Salamence2015

These two votes...

Following the IC.
Where do you get off being critical?
Wagon on you is going nowhere, RC. Besides, you think Salamence wagon is

useful

, so this should be like the coolest thing for you.

Except the IC isn't voting Sala. Even if he was, that's pretty shitty reasoning to get on a wagon.

i like the salamence vote

the fact that salamence is exasperatingly worrying about a speedlynch bothers me, especially since the wagon is formed by RVS and is of little importance. it may indicate that he wants to look town, but my read could be wrong.

I'm fine with a strat of follow-the-IC.

No one could have seen this coming!

Umm, why didn't you vote in 172 then?

Why did you wait for RC and Mainez to jump on before you did? I can smell bullshit

VOTE: Varsoon

Normally not into early wagons but the salamence vote is solid, he was weird early on and has been super defensive since.

vote: Salamence

Can you clarify what was 'weird' and why it results in a scum read? Also, since when is being defensive a scum tell?

VOTE: Salamence20

VOTE: Salamence2015

Vote: Sala

This vote is terrible. It's actually scummier that he quoted other people's votes before posting his own as opposed to if he had just naked voted.

What just happened?

Why are you all running people up to L-1 and trying to get claims? Are you trying to out PRs? If they claim PR then scum have a target at night, if they claim VT scum has one less target.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee last one on the stupidwagon

This vote...wow.

What do you think of everybody else's reasoning for joining the Sala wagon? I mean, voting the last person on the wagon (techinically, I wasn't on the wagon) is pretty shitty.

Why is no-one towning it up in this game?

[Varsoon]

I wonder if we should just lynch Salamance and then, based on the flip, go for BBT (who was going to hammer Sala earlier) or continue elsewhere.
:/

[Varsoon]

Jailkeeper/Roleblocker's a pretty scum-sided role regardless.

[Varsoon]

Did the pisskop counterwagon just break down and was there seriously a push for that pidgeon poop guy?

[Varsoon]

It's okay to be a meanie, pisskop, but we need some camaraderie here.
Telling people they suck, while it may be true, is a downer.
Instead, suggest what people can do to not suck. Say, hey, try this!
So that way we can all grow as a community, rather than just raggin' on each other.

[Varsoon]

Like I said, it's all G.
Info is important.
You should make info public in most cases.
That way, we've all got stuff to work with.
I think interaction and reaction is really important.
There's times to be cruel, times to be cold, times to be dismissive, but overall I think that I'd like a baseline of communal togetherness and fun times. :3

[Varsoon]

Well, Zebulin, he's the thing; I see your vote on Pisskop as mostly kinda riding a bit of the wave coming out of the fallout of the BBM wagon (which you were a part of)--the awkward bit is that you were doing a bit of a sheep of RC, who directed some traffic that way, and that your major point against Pisskop is less about his movement (who he voted, how he lead votes, shifts in voting interaction, wagon interaction, player interaction as far as interrogation and specific plays go) and more about attitude. You've gotten so wrapped up in pushing Pisskop as scum over Pisskop's general game approach, which, as far as I've got experience, tends to be null.

Some players just have a generally more aggressive, elitist, cruel, or dismissive disposition. Does this always equate to scumminess? Hardly. Can it be used as an excuse to hide scum play? Sure, and I've cracked down on people for doing so before. I'm not so sure that's what's happening here with pisskop, though.

Rather, your whole push feels like it's been gripping to these mannerisms and trying to say, "Look! This approach is scummy!" rather than just expressing, like I have, that it's anti-town.

:/

[Varsoon]

You are only serving tyo obfuscate the game with your anti-town play.

I think this is what Zebulin's tryin' to say about you, man.
:p

[Varsoon]

He called you out for voting without explaining your votes, but, to be honest, lack of articulation isn't really scummy, either.

I think there's been enough interaction that a lynch will give us plenty to work with moving forward.

[Varsoon]

@Mainez: L-2.

@Pisskop: You're leaning town for me. I'm not going to give you any passes (even if Zeb flips scum) and you really shouldn't do the same for me. Here's to hoping we can sort each other out.

[Varsoon]

Jailkeep 'em.

[Varsoon]

inb4 hilarious mafia no-kill gambits.

[Varsoon]

Yay!
I get to talk to my neighborhood now!

[Varsoon]

Yeah, more reads than your revenge-fantasy would be nice~

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Aneninen

WOOO!
DANGEROUSLY SHEEPY.

[Varsoon]

(Honestly, I don't really have much to add here. I think that, given the lack of a nightflip, speculation is fine, but we'll see where it gets us.)

[Varsoon]

Isnt it obvious why?

Scum wouldnt hit IC unless strongman. I was the target.
I couldnt protect IC due to this, had to hit scum.

And well, pk was there.

This reasoning is good.

No-Kill gambit is obvious for me to do it.

Even if I was fakeclaiming JK I would not NK because its an obvious gambit I would pull

This reasoning is bad.

[Varsoon]

I'm not scum, molla, but even I could tell you were trying to bait the kill really hard.

[Varsoon]

I'm good with sheeping whatever.
I'm glad that there was no NK, but the vengeshot kinda nullifies that, eh.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Salamence
WOoooooaAAAAHhhhh

[Varsoon]

<3
For real let's just DO IT

[Varsoon]

BBT, but no one cares 'bout that.

[Varsoon]

I couldn't get the wagon to go earlier, though. :l
T S O isn't so bad, imo, but maybe I could see that?

[Varsoon]

I should probably do that, eh.
The problem is that I find pisskop's judgment flawed.

[Varsoon]

Hey, T S O, paint me skeptical, but don't be dissamissapointed.
Like, right now, it feels like you're tryin'a bait me over to that delicious BBT wagon I've always wanted.
Salamence feels right, though!
But I love how BBT's sweating at just your one vote!

On the real, TSO, you're one of the only people who's voice I think I can believe in this game. Still, I think we need to see a Sala lynch through regardless of anything. It gives us a lot of info. It's probably scum (I think maybe yes), too. If it isn't, we'll see real quick, yeah?

[Varsoon]

Turn on the AC?

I talked about this a bit before, but I dunno, maybe the easy explanation is 'gut'.
Just don't like your pushes/the way you push folks? Euch.

[Varsoon]

What the actual fuck are you doing?

Whilst we're talking about speed of wagons TSO. Yourself, Varsoon, Mainez and Dr just expressed a scum read on my slot. This is happening pretty quick, no?

I dunno man
You do stuff like that.

And you do stuff like this;

That's right. Join the wagon your supposed biggest scum read is on. Choo Choo!

[Varsoon]

Sweating in the first post--your reaction to TSO's vote and the voiced sentiments against you.
The second post just feels like a kinda unnecessary dig at me, like you know Salamence is going to flip town and you're prematurely calling me out on sheeping a vote from a supposed scum-read.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: BBT

I dunno man, it

bothers

me.

[Varsoon]

I think it's fairly reasonable to admit that I may be wrong and/or you may be sheeping.
I don't like Salamence's claim at all, myself.
That's independent of how I think you are scummy.
Yeah, I've considered

who

is on the wagon, but I've also thought that my convictions against Sala are maybe a bit stronger than my confidence in other reads.

[Varsoon]

Town doesn't need useless things like 'substantiated reasons' to validate a vote.

I think you're putting too much weight into my read on you versus the claimed actions/interaction so far in the current day phase where Salamence is concerned.

[Varsoon]

I think your play is convincing enough. I didn't have to affect a case against you to make both TSO and Mainez read you as scum.

I explained how I got to both voting you and voting Salamence.
With Salamence, I've never liked the claim and with today's interactions I thought there's a good chance of hitting scum there.
With you, I've thought you're scum for awhile based on your approach, and just now you've been, like, really scumbuttin' it. I quoted posts, even, but, eh, I guess you don't see it/won't admit to fault?

[Varsoon]

But BBT, that's the point. I don't

need

to explain anything.
If I was scum, I'd be worried about actually factually having a lot of believable reasons for pushing my 'suspects'. That way, when they flip town, my pushes on them would be believable mistakes. As town, it doesn't matter. If I think someone is scummy, I don't need to articulate it super well.

[Varsoon]

Nah, if I'm scum, it falls apart because you'll realize that I'm only lynching town.
Furthermore, if I'm scum, then it's a terrible strat because I can't lead lynches or really drive the game in any direction.

I think that the other town players are good enough that they'll be able to sort you out without me needing to really do much.

[Varsoon]

Like, if everyone else looks at your slot and goes, "Yeah! That's scummy!," its a conclusion they'll have reached independent of me, and that's important.
Just like if everyone else looks at your slot and say, "Nope, dude's town," then I can shrug and say, "Oh, well, maybe I'm wrong?"

Basically, I'm not putting much value in my own judgments here.

[Varsoon]

lol inb4 mainez scum
VOTE: Salamence

[Varsoon]

I'm nothing, bro
Don't worry about me.
FOCUS your attention on the real!scum

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Mainez
(but can we do it?)

[Varsoon]

DrDo said not to hammer Salamanders.
So I voted Mainez to be extra sure.

[Varsoon]

Basically, in my eyes, one of 'em has to die today.

[Varsoon]

Fuggitaboutit
VOTE: Salamence

[Varsoon]

I DONT KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE
ALL I KNOW IS THAT ONE, OR BOTH OF YOU SHOULD BE LYNCHED
ACTUALLY PROBABLY BOTH OF YOU
HOLY SHIT GUYS WHAT IF THEY WERE BOTH SCUM
GAMBIT OF THE YEAR HOLY SHIT

[Varsoon]

Yeah dude, if you flip town there is no doubt I'm voting Mainez forever.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Mainez

Okay so I'm a rolecop and Mainez isn't a Jailkeeper.

[Varsoon]

Lol why doesn't anyone believe my D3 claim that's coming way after the fact?

[Varsoon]

So, why do people believe Mainez's bullshit opportunistic claim but not -my- bullshit opportunistic claim?

[Varsoon]

I made it obvious that I doubted Mainez's claim and I've been crumbing a night-investigative.
EVERYONE IS SCUMMY REGARDLESS IN THIS GAME

[Varsoon]

The explanation is simple:

I actually rolecopped Mainez and he's not a Jailkeeper.
I agree, he needs to die now.

People probably don't believe that though.
So, for those people, I've presented the fact that my claim is very similar to Mainez's, pointing out their hypocrisy in believing Mainez's claim but not mine.

Sala is a Jailkeeper, but could be a scum jailkeeper, so I'm still iffy on that.

[Varsoon]

Huh? N1 I targeted Salamence.
N2 I targeted Mainez.
It's D3 now, right?

[Varsoon]

He's just a neighbor, yo.

[Varsoon]

I got back 'Neighbor' on Mainez.
Also, dude, Sala could still be a fuckin' scum JK for all I know
And Mainez could just be lying because LOL GAMBITS
I'm coming for you tonight, BBT. I don't like how you're reacting to all this and how you're lining up a lynch on me.
If anything, if Mainez flips town (or some shit that's not just Neighbor), then we know if there's a redirector in game AND we should probably lynch Sala.

[Varsoon]

Dude I don't know.
Gambits or some shit.

[Varsoon]

Hey man, claims are -dumb-. There's so many role interactions on-site that unless you're in an open game, it's difficult to account for every possible interaction.

Let's say you're a cop. You claim cop and you've got a guilty and two innocents. All are still alive in-game. Fucking awesome, right?
WRONG! Your guilty was a miller and your two innocents were due to a Godfather and a redirector. Get shit on.

There's simply too much disruption AND possibility for clones of the same role (I've been in games with up to fucking three of the same power role that weren't advertised in any way).

/rant, I guess

I think we should lynch Mainez. The only reason I'm claiming is to hope to get more people on-board, really.
I think the Salamence lynch is a mistake.
I could be totally fucking wrong, and I admit that. If Mainez flips town, Sala's scum. If Mainez flips scum, Sala's very likely town (barring some intense bussing gambit that scum would never have needed to pull to win at this point).

[Varsoon]

There are three dead town neighbors, y'know.
They won't ever show up.

[Varsoon]

Mostly to give the game some early direction and to see if anyone else would claim masons with me.
In retrospect, I kinda wish that I used my power on BBMolla.
:/

[Varsoon]

Wait, this is a fucking boonskies game.
brb, hammering
VOTE: Salamence

[Varsoon]

I stopped and asked myself, "What would Boonskies do?"

[Varsoon]

Hooooly shit look at this wagon;
RadiantCowbells, evilpacman18, Mainez, BlueBloodedToffee, massive.

RC, EPM, and BBT are like my top scumpicks holy shit

Also, looking back, massive unvoted, so someone else should just nut up and boonskies out.

[Varsoon]

Dude is probably scum JK
Everyone's scum JK

Mainez, I'm giving you benefit of the doubt.
I'll just fucking check you a second time tonight and I'll be able to figure out if I was being redirected or something.

I didn't say you were scum--I just said my role told me that you're not what you claimed to be. :/

[Varsoon]

Niggrumps, I'm town as shit.

[Varsoon]

Like, I can get that maybe you're really intimidated, and as we all know, intimidation leads to fear.
It's okay, I'm on town's side (cough).

[Varsoon]

BBT, stop riffing on the game, man. Sure, the carnival is founded on several animals acting out line, literally dancing atop a stage of dirty, hay, and shit. However, it's got lights and colors and a goddamn tent and you paid admission to it--there's more than just nonsense here! It's our duty to perform, damn it.

[Varsoon]

On the real, who should I target tonight?
I'm at a loss.
(obviously)

[Varsoon]

Varsoon wtf are you doing?

Massive vote mainez

I'm a wild stallion, Salamence. I ain't got no masters.

[Varsoon]

Dude, I wasn't a mason and we didn't lynch meeeee
So I say 'neigh' to that logic.

[Varsoon]

Situation 1:
I'm telling the truth about my rolecop.
You're actually a JK. We still don't know your alignment.
Mainez is lying about being a JK. We still don't know Mainez's alignment.


Situation 2:
I'm telling the truth about my rolecop.
You're actually a JK. We still don't know your alignment.
Mainez is actually a JK. I was redirected.

Situation 3:
I'm telling the truth about my rolecop.
You're not a JK. I was redirected.
Mainez is a JK. I was redirected.
We still don't know either of your alignments.

Situation 4:
I'm a lying little bastard.
You're a JK. We still don't know your alignment.
Mainez is not a JK. We still don't know her alignment...

You see how this is going, right?
NO MATTER IF YOU ARE A JK OR IF MAINEZ IS A JK OR IF I AM A LIAR OR ANYTHING
The fact is both of you guys claimed JK
I claimed Rolecop
But we still have no clue as to any alignments due to that, only that it is very highly likely that you and mainez are not on the same team.

[Varsoon]

YOU CAN'T REIGN IN THE STALLION
UNVOTE:

I actually kinda wanna watch BBT cry about getting the wrong flavor of ice-cream some more.
Cry your tears, kiddo. It's all sugar in the end.

[Varsoon]

Oh, dude, I'm not scum, though.
My role PM specifically says that junk.
I actually should go back and read it, 'cus I forgot what Looney Toon I am.

What do you think of massive, Mainez?
VOTE: Massive
I think that it'd be really funny to lynch neither of you, so that we still actually have a town JK in the game, y'know?
There's still scum to be found elsewhere, and I really, really think massive might be it.

[Varsoon]

UNVOTE:
Although, looking over his ISO again, I don't know why I am struck that way. Hm.
Like, he's playing a very straightforward and open-minded game.
I dunno.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Mainez
Yeah, fuck it.
The Salamence wagon is scummy as shit.
The D3 counterclaim is scummy as shit.
Part of my reason for claiming awkwardly was to highlight how stupid Mainez's claim is. All the arguments levied against my claim could be made even harder against Mainez.

[Varsoon]

I am so tempted to hammer,
so so so so tempted to hammer,
but I feel like its bait,
baity bait
bait meant to screw me
look at that wagon on Salamanders
its so bad
like omg
I'm terrible at mafia.

[Varsoon]

At least no one will realize this was all a part of my scum-agenda.
I'm invincible!
VOTE: Salamence

[Varsoon]

Okay, Sala, sala, please, c'mon bro, give me it straight on the chin;
Are you actually factually a scumbutt?

[Varsoon]

SLOW THE FUCK DOWN.
I'm town.
I've been lying about everything.
I've been trying to draw the kill.

[Varsoon]

I tried to make it obvious in my hood that I was also a rolecop
you can ask them
but fuck it man, I should've been killed.
Which means these assholes expect you guys to be dumb enough to lynch me.
Everyone voting me right now is very easily scum influenced/has a scum in it.
DONT VOTE FOR ME, YOU IDIOTS.

[Varsoon]

Lynching town is against the town wincon, BBT.
Shove off.

[Varsoon]

So you honestly think I WOULD BUS MY PARTNER IN SUCH A FUCKTARDED WAY AND THEN KILL THE DUDE WHO I WAS CLAIMING AGAINST?
There's literally no way to spin that play as scum.
:/

[Varsoon]

No, don't be moronic--lynching town might cost us the game down the road.
Basically, yeah, I was dumb, but whatever, we got a scum lynch.
No, I'm not scum, jesus. Let's just take me off the table and consider the FACTS of what happened instead of sensationalizing votes.
You're trying to push for a power/policy lynch while town is still hot off the flips. That's fucked up and anti-town/scummy as shit, too, you dip.

[Varsoon]

EXCEPT THAT I HAMMERED HIM AND VOTED HIM MULTIPLE TIMES AND NEVER INSISTED ON HIS INNOCENCE
YOU ARE LITERALLY PUSHING A SENSATIONALIST LYNCH
I was trying to get killed last night. That was my fucking goal. So now it's time for scum to try to turn me into a lynch, which is what you're either doing OR falling for.
Play better than this, BBT.

[Varsoon]

You're lying about what happened. I clearly waffled between both of them, you're trying to turn this into a one-sided mislynch.
I hope you're done. Retire your bullshit.

[Varsoon]

I'll engage in discourse if you actually want to talk, but it seems like right now all you want to do is foam at the mouth that you want me lynched.

BECAUSE I CLAIMED ROLECOP WHO HAD A VANILLA RESULT ON HIM
PLEASE FOLLOW, BBT

[Varsoon]

SO IF SCUM BELIEVED MY CLAIM
THEY WOULD BELIEVE THAT HE WAS VANILLA

[Varsoon]

I've done nothing worth a damn--why the hell do you think I was trying to draw the kill?

[Varsoon]

Look, man, seriously, can you follow me here for one second instead of just insulting me and calling for a policy lynch.
Ask me stuff in a sensible way and I'll respond clearly about why I did anything.
I'm garbage this game, though, I will admit. I spread myself too thin and didn't make myself enough of an NK target early on.
I do stupid things. My play this game has been pretty VI and generally low quality. I'm sorry. :/

[Varsoon]

Look, BBM, I agree, it was stupid. 7,000 posts or not, I decided to take a dumb gamble.
Pacman, dude, a blight on this game? I think this game has been fantastic.
Slayer's Gambit, you guys analyze the shit.

Dude, the people calling most for my lynch here are BBT and EPM. Those fuckers are scum, right? Obviously. So let's lynch those people who insist I 'dont get a pass'.
Ez pz
VOTE: Evil Pac Man

Someone defend EPM's play. I dare ya.

[Varsoon]

I'm also skeptical of RC, but eeeeh.
I hammered scum. You bet your ass the scum-team is all giddy to get a lynch on me right now.
I'm a prime candidate for mislynch. This will let us catch people pushing my wagon for dumb reactionary scummy reasons.
This is why I do goofy shit.

[Varsoon]

Hardly, man, I didn't even notice Molla suggested that.
Jump the shark harder, dude. :3

[Varsoon]

Your defensiveness and instant calling of the...single vote? on you a counterwagon is a pretty scummy reaction, imo.
Check your rhetoric.

[Varsoon]

I guess I can't scumhunt or vote for any players because that's me 'jumping at counterwagons'?
I gave my reads, EPM. I explained why I'm voting you. :3

[Varsoon]

If you are town, why haven't you played to your wincon at all this whole game?

I've tried to get scum lynched. As I explained in an earlier post, I wasn't able to give this game much attention between being in three/four separate games, designing and modding two theme games, and finishing my graduate thesis. I'm sorry I wasn't able to commit my all to this game. It's a disservice. In the future, I think I'll limit myself to only one or two games, so that I can really put my all into them. I run out of steam really quick in large games and when I have too much on my plate. I'm playing this as a favor to Boon, though. <3

If you are town, why would you try and draw an NK? it just sounds like a gambit to be able to come into today saying "I TRIED TO GET NK'D" and see if it saves you. There was no legitimate chance of it actually happening and you know that.

I've got a boring, vanilla-ish role. I was hoping that I'd draw a kill so that our stronger PRs could stay in and my neighborhood could be a little more sorted out.
I thought the possibility of me drawing the kill was likely.
Why would I gambit at all in the Sala situation we were in? As scum, that would literally only draw attention to me. Consider how I was being read before that point in the game and after? As scum, there would be no reason to take such a risk for literally no reward. I was already set up, if I were scum, to bus Sala easily. There were also a ton of ways to draw the wagon to a different lynch without a gambit like that. Trust me, I know stupid gambits. I'm called the Scatman for a goddamn reason.

Who is scum?

I'd hedge my bets on EPM, RC, and BBT (you). Honestly, I should probably go back and do some VCA and consider Mainez's claim and pushes, too.
These reads are gut reads at this point, largely influenced by what I can recall of those player's behavior.
I'm paranoid that one of Massive or BBM is scum because that's my hood, but I could see them both as town. I'm townreading BBM and I'm town-leaning on Massive. So, eh.

[Varsoon]

I think EPM's the only other person who has been on all the wagons so far besides me.

[Varsoon]

Sala was on the tail end of both the mislynches that came before him.

[Varsoon]

BBT has ended each day on town wagons except for what would be a very easy but non-hammering bus on Sala.

[Varsoon]

Actually, dude, this'll solve a lot.
VOTE: BBT
I've been pitted against you all game.
I think you're scum. Probably with EPM.

[Varsoon]

Honestly, yeah, today I want a lynch on EPM or BBT.
Both look really bad when I consider their pushes, play, VCA, and how they handled my fake-claim at today's startup.

[Varsoon]

Can you explain why you're scumreading T S O?

[Varsoon]

As far as votes go, T S O has consistently been on BBT's case outside of being on the Anen wagon.
As far as his play goes, T S O has usually been pretty level headed and easy to follow for me.
What do you see that makes him your top scumpick, especially over me and EPM?

[Varsoon]

Feels a little biased to me.
Like, I get where you're coming from, but I don't see how all that is scummier than what we've got with EPM and BBT.
:/

I'd follow you onto a TSO lynch if you're really willing to bet the game on it, DDO.
Let that stand for what it will.

[Varsoon]

Maybe I needed to create a scene to make the game electrifying enough to feel engaged and interested. I'm here now, though.

His 'discussion' with me was calling for a thoughtless and fast lynch while trying to furiously deny me any space to explain myself.
His vote on Salamence reeks of scum bussing a partner who is inevitably going down.

I guess we're just engaging this differently, DrDolittle.
I liked the movies you were in though, they was kinda funny.

[Varsoon]

Every time I ask people to stop and think and they don't, I want to post this clip.
But it isn't anywhere online so I uploaded it myself just to post it.
Kinda after the point, but yeah;

[Varsoon]

Look, don't get all heated.
The point of a gambit is that it's a

gambit

. They don't always work. Sometimes they do. Spectacularly so. Regardless, the result of my gambit, ultimately, is that I'm actually interested in this game now, so that's worth at least something.

TSO, what I'm saying is that I'll compromise lynch you over a no lynch.
I also said that I want a lynch on one of BBT or EPM. But, hey! Don't quote that, it might make it look like I wasn't just playing in the crummy ways you describe~ :3

[Varsoon]

So.
Deadline is a'comin'.

[Varsoon]

As much as I am scumreading, I'd probably follow 'em on a RC lynch.

[Varsoon]

I'm scum.
Come at me.

[Varsoon]

TSO is my scumbuddy. You'll never manage to lynch us both, because you're either a great player or you're town.
False dichotomies really suck, don't they, RC?

[Varsoon]

VOTE: RC

Spoiler:

[Varsoon]

BBT, why massive? I mean, besides him being the odd man out in my neighborhood.

Also, RC, people pushing you since minute one comes from you bringing questionable play out early on. It's consistent and it's not a scum-tactic.
The fact you're trying to push it as one strikes me as defensively trying to use meta in a situation where it isn't applicable. Both town and scum push you for early play you make in lots of games. This is independent of alignment. Due to those facts, your defense doesn't hold up.

Furthermore, it's troubling that you're evoking people who tunnel you. I've voted and chased plenty of other wagons in this game, RC. I wouldn't qualify my vote or casework against you as a 'tunnel'.

Would you like to ask actual questions, or just fling expletives and insults? I'm down for either, and strapped for both.
I'm town and I'm trying to figure out what's going on this game and hoping that I can land a lynch on scum. There's been huge hesitance to lynch my top scum candidates, which may indicative of scum being unwilling to bus at this point. By giving your wagon a push, I'm seeing if you have the same resistance to being lynched as these other folks.

[Varsoon]

Massive feels like he's been playing on eggshells. The early townread on me, reluctance to push me over all my shenanigans (he's in my 'hood, he could probably deduce the mason claim was rubbish despite him saying otherwise), etc. all builds to an ethos I don't really understand. Town with their hands tied or scum taking a backseat. It makes for a high-risk lynch, imo.

I'm willing to admit that I might be totally wrong on BBT, but I think we should really give EPM rope.
I'd be willing to compromise to RC or massive, but I really don't want to.
I'm worried the huge hesitance for anyone to join onto the BBT wagon is because he's scum.

I want TSO to town-lead this game, because I don't think I've build up enough town-cred or sympathy to lead a lynch at all.

[Varsoon]

Chill, RC. We're not insulting you, we're talking about the play that we have at hand and our perception of it. It's not something to take personally.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Unvote
for now.

I really think everyone should be much more active. I don't have a good read on where anyone really stands outside of the few more prominent players today.

[Varsoon]

Sorry, usually when people tell others to F off, it's because they've taken something personally.
RC, I'm not going to 'fuck off'. I'm staying right here. I'm playing the game.
I think you're going to have to accept that I'm town and I'm writing what I've written and playing how I've played. If not now, at endgame. I'm sorry if that's particularly offensive or something.

What are your reads?
How do you feel about the Salamence wagon?

P-EDIT:
Yeah, it's the weekend of the 4th of July, so at least some American folks might've been wrapped up in family shenanigans.

[Varsoon]

Just because you don't understand why someone would make a play doesn't mean it's scum and it doesn't cause it to fall into your incredibly basic strata of why the play was made.
Stay first-level.

Moreover, this really convinces me that massive might just be town trying to play from far too straightforward of a mindset, although

that

fails to address passivity, reactionary votes (the one on me and earlier swap to Mainez when given the chance), etc. The slot isn't as transparent as it should be, imo. That's what bothers me most. If massive is really as level-headed, first-level town as he's putting off, the rest of his ISO should follow suit, but it only does in some places. :/

[Varsoon]

<3
It's not a bad place to be if you're town.

[Varsoon]

I'm non-consecutive night cop by the way.

VOTE: Varsoon

Inno BBT, guilty Varsoon. All aboard!

This is a scum-claim.
I'm town.

[Varsoon]

Oh, nevermind. It was a reaction-test.
Got it.

I'm good with an EPM or BBT lynch, like I said.
I'll follow you to the ends of the Earth, TSO. My play this game has been atrocious.

[Varsoon]

Like, I'd much rather put my stock into a player I'm 100% townreading who has it together this game, if that makes sense.

[Varsoon]

I'm less familiar with that aspect of your play, to be honest. It read to me like you were using a claim as leverage to push a lynch out on me and away from BBT, who was being considered by TSO.

[Varsoon]

But, as I said, reaction test fits and is understandable.

[Varsoon]

I don't want to policy lynch you.
I'd be fine with a lynch on you based on your contribution to this game.

[Varsoon]

@RC: First post there was a joke/RVS vote. Also, I believe you were actually a contender for lynch D1.


@Massive: I expect silly nearly-endgame high-stakes gambits and 'reaction tests' from myself. I don't really expect 'em from other folks.

[Varsoon]

Consider the three people currently on my wagon.
:l

[Varsoon]

You think that, as scum, I'd replicate the exact same scum-game I recently had with you?

Spoiler:

But, yes, insist on a meta-point that has no value. That'll surely win town over.
You're trying way too hard, RC. It's painful to watch.

[Varsoon]

I know how bad you want this mislynch on me; it's evident by how hard you're pushing for it while trying to make use of every piece of sensationalist and flawed logic that you can.

I'm sorry, man, I'm not super-town this game.
My play this game is terrible. People are gonna be riding my ass for it for awhile. I bet the dead thread is full of people all "Fucking baddie varsoon jesus never playing with that shitstack again."
I accept that.

I don't think anything I could do would strike you as anything but a 'scum gambit', even if I was bringing really strong play. If you're town, RC, you're so confbiased that it will destroy us. If you're scum, you can't afford to admit that I'm town because the mislynch pool shrinks.

That's how it is.

[Varsoon]

It's totally a thing.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: EPM
Well, come back.

[Varsoon]

Corralling for a mislynch doesn't earn respect either.

[Varsoon]

Sorry, babe, I'm town through and through.

[Varsoon]

[img]http://i57.tinypic.com/333cydd.gif[img]

Can you lay off for, like, just this day phase?
I'd really like to lynch scum today.

[Varsoon]

Aww. Mod, can ya fix my tags?
I forgot to put a / in there.

[Varsoon]

Getting real tired of your schtick, RC.

[Varsoon]

That doesn't make me scum, though. :l

[Varsoon]

VOTE: BBT
Stay basic, RC.

[Varsoon]

Stop.

[Varsoon]

Your fan-fiction adds nothing to this game.

[Varsoon]

It's not, and you're not ever going to admit it's not, which means if you're town, then we've likely lost because we'll never get a majority lynch on scum when we need to in LYLO.

[Varsoon]

Fling more insults, RC. When we hit post-game, I want you to apologize a thousand times over for your rudeness.
If you're town, you're literally sinking this game.

[Varsoon]

I try my best to refrain from insulting people. Sometimes I just get really angry.
I'm town. If you're town and playing this way, it's inexcusable. It makes a town win impossible.
I've apologized for my shit-tier play this game. I'm sorry I played the way I have.
That said, we need to lynch scum.

[Varsoon]

Or scum. Or town who can't see the truth. We'll find out in due time.

@Massive: It's a closed setup and your scum partner is claiming something they are not. Massive aside, this assumes that your partner will never be hit by a rolecop, cop, tracker, etc. There are so many roles that could've shut Salamence's claim down. If anything, the goal of Sala's claim was to draw out another PR claim and trade Sala's worthless goon-ass for a strong town PR. Like, y'know, sort of what actually happened. In that case, busing from early on is likely to happen.
There you go. Vote for BBT now.

[Varsoon]

Should read Mainez aside, by the way. I just had massive's massive mass on my mind.