Mini 1685: BooneyToonz II - Looney Tunes

[Varsoon]

The incredible resistance for your wagon to lynch is evidence enough, imo.

[Varsoon]

Also, you took a real backseat until people actually started voting you.

[Varsoon]

Nice town strat.

[Varsoon]

Because then a town PR can immediately be all, "IT IS FAKE"
Jesus.
In fact, given the short breadth between those posts, it's hard not to see it as some sort of co-ordinated bussing ploy.

[Varsoon]

Either when it happened, ie, responsive, or pre-game, or during the game if they've got daychat.

Don't act so dense.

[Varsoon]

I can see that, too.

[Varsoon]

At least TSO's got swag.

[Varsoon]

Do people not think it makes Varsoon look pretty dang town that--haha, I got nothin'.

I was once scum in a game where the doctor claimed to me in a neighborhood thread. Two days passed and I specifically told my team not to kill him. He eventually had to claim and I managed to ride the towncred to victory.

[Varsoon]

With EPM crossing his arms and DrDoLittle doing little, I guess we really have to rely on BBM to hammer this one.

[Varsoon]

Cool.
Wanna lynch EPM?

[Varsoon]

Nah, not really.

Would prefer massive or RC.

Will compromise on T S O. That's it though.

Well, I'm glad you won't bus at this point.
Humho.


@RC: We need 5 to lynch. Where's the fifth if DrDoLittle isn't gonna hammer?

[Varsoon]

A counter-wagon wouldn't be indicative of anything. There's two scum right now and you're one of them. If anything, I'm your counterwagon.
Deal with it, nerd.

[Varsoon]

We'll see when you flip, won't we?

Stop trying to appeal to me with this "You are bad" crap. Not only is that a really shitty thing to say to another player, but it's also really weak rhetoric.

Step it up, BBT.
If you're actually town; don't blame your failure to find scum and lead a wagon on it on anyone but yourself.
I doubt it, though.

[Varsoon]

I've given plenty of reasons to vote for you throughout the game.
Don't try to hand-wave the work I have put in, man.

Get off your "you all embarrass me" high horse, too. Shit's not helping you.

[Varsoon]

Look at my ISO, lol

[Varsoon]

BBT, you're so anti-massive now that you're being run-up to lynch, but...
where was that anywhere earlier in the game?
Maybe I forgot.

[Varsoon]

dese appeals
epm so scum too

[Varsoon]

dese appeals

[Varsoon]

hammer urself
dese appeals

[Varsoon]

No. I'm only lynching out of BBT and EPM today.
Sorry.

[Varsoon]

Now you're just flaunting your scum win.
Lame.

[Varsoon]

Continue to play the game and try to figure out who the last scum is, provided that the scum-team is only 3 people.

[Varsoon]

EPM.

[Varsoon]

Yeah.
Which is why I'm fine with lynching either you or him.

[Varsoon]

Because his role PM says so, BBT.

[Varsoon]

I don't know anything besides what's mod-confirmed to me.
I can infer that from EPM's posts.
He's scum.
I think the fact that he's hard defending you without any reason to do so is also awfully telling.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, like, that's not really town.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: EPM
Yeah, that'd be grand.

[Varsoon]

I made some points about you earlier in the game but I can't be assed to look them up solely so you can stroke off to 'em.

[Varsoon]

Yawn.

[Varsoon]

You're not gonna bait me into doing work, BBT.
I'm cashing out because I've figured the game out.

[Varsoon]

<3

[Varsoon]

Mmmm, okay.
I'm pretty convicted of my reads, though.

[Varsoon]

Nope.
I'm not going to second-guess my reads over setup spec.

Fuck

setup spec.

[Varsoon]

RC, trying to lynch DrDoLittle is literally against the town wincon.
:l

[Varsoon]

TSO,
wanna rejoin BBT?

[Varsoon]

Guess I'm dumb as fuck.
It hurts, but I'll get over it.

[Varsoon]

I can stand your frustration as either align.
Been there in both parties.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: bbt

[Varsoon]

VOTE: BBT

A reaffirmation, there.
Also, Pegasus, don't read too much into my horrible play so far. It is just bad. I failed at doing the things I was hoping to do.

[Varsoon]

Strong-arm the replace-in harder, BBT.
:/

[Varsoon]

Keep handwaving everything I say, BBT.

[Varsoon]

I'm just a stupid-fuck idiot-town ruining this game by sheeping Obv-scum TSO and RC, right?

[Varsoon]

Just read the game, Pegasus. It's all there.

I'll go link up, but the short version is;
BBT's voting pattern and pushes indicate that he's scum with an early bus and awkward interaction on Salamence;
BBT's lied about other players to try to push sensationalist lynches;
BBT, when given flak, backs into lying even more and making flawed appeals.
Look at how this day phase began and how sensationalist BBT tried to lynch me before anyone had time to slow down and talk the day over.

I'll grab you a few links, I guess.
I'm really just tired of BBT's shit. He's constantly undermining me this game.

[Varsoon]

Spoiler: BBT's Scum

I actually have no clue why BBM went along with my 'lol WE ARE MASONS' thing. Every other Neighborhood I've suggested that in (in other games) has been like, 'Ehe, no.'
I don't see how that's scummy, though. :l

I

also

really don't like that BBT is running such a hard case on me that's founded on loads of him being unable to read the game properly. One of his first points was that I said I was following the IC to lynch on Sala 'but the IC was not voting Sala'. Nevermind that the IC had an outspoken scumread there

and

later went to vote for Sala.

VOTE: BBT
For, I'unno, lying to try to get town (me!) lynched.


Also, all this 'IF ONE OF BBM OR VARSOON IS SCUM THE OTHER DEFINITELY IS' shit needs to stop. As it turns out, two dudes in a neighborhood can claim masons and both of 'em could be different alignments. Hell, I'm pretty damn sure my 'hood is all town.


But, like, if you guys don't want to listen to me and you just wanna lynch whoever, please lynch me first. I've got a lot on my plate right now (not just on-site, but in meatworld, too) and the last thing I need is to come back to a game where town's self-destructing because they're too dense to even read the game properly.

I think the only reason you go along with it, knowing you aren't masons, is if you can control the kill. Varsoon, at the very least, could actually BE a mason outside our neighborhood. You however, tied your wagon to him, creating mutually-assured destruction if one of you dies. Guess you weren't planning on one of you dying.

vote BBmolla

And, actually, reconsidering this, uh, yeah, this.
VOTE: BBM

BBT, you're still not off the hook for lying like that. Also, I know it might earn some townpoints with folks to come back into a game swinging, but it doesn't seem genuine to me when it's founded on misreps.

General lack of focus that I expect from town that really wants to push out a scum lynch,
BBT seems to kinda push whatever's working and look worked up about it,
There was some misrepping and trying really hard to make a case on me earlier that relied on a lot of the sensationalism going on after it came out I lied about the mason thing.

So, 2-parts scummy game approach, 1 part OMGUS.

Unlike Pisskop, RC, and BBM who are all problematic, BBT's play comes across as scummy more than just anti-town in nature.
I guess it kind helps that I've got the informed position of knowing I'm town, though. :/

Why are you sheeping me if I'm wrong so often?

Where have you seen me be so wrong?

It's deflections like this--rather than just moving into a defensive mode, BBT immediately says 'Well you've been sheeping my scummy/wrong play."
The second line is a wild-goose chase. I see scum do this shit all the time to drag out games. They're always, "SHOW ME WHERE THAT HAPPENED."
and then when you take the several minutes to quote something

everyone can ISO and see anyway

, they just deflect more and waste even more time.
It's a pain in the ass.

I got back 'Neighbor' on Mainez.
Also, dude, Sala could still be a fuckin' scum JK for all I know
And Mainez could just be lying because LOL GAMBITS
I'm coming for you tonight, BBT. I don't like how you're reacting to all this and how you're lining up a lynch on me.
If anything, if Mainez flips town (or some shit that's not just Neighbor), then we know if there's a redirector in game AND we should probably lynch Sala.

BBT has ended each day on town wagons except for what would be a very easy but non-hammering bus on Sala.

[Varsoon]

Because I'm tired of your schtick, BBT.
I don't want to put in effort when you're involved because you're being a dink.

When I put effort in earlier, you didn't care to listen, you just misrepped my posts and called for my lynch even more.
When I tried goofy shit, you didn't care to figure out why, you just called for my lynch even more.
So why try for your sake at all ever again? You're demotivated me enough.

[Varsoon]

Except where I show how your case is founded on lies.
:l

You've been hoping to get that 'easy Varsoon mislynch' since D1.
Get off my back.

[Varsoon]

You wanna know why I'm still alive today?
BBT's still trying to get that mislynch on me.

[Varsoon]

Check the daystart.
:/

[Varsoon]

Jesus fuck, look how scummy you are in daystart, corralling for my lynch while trying to line up lynches on T S O and BBM afterwards.
Awkward how you completely avoid EPM there.
Awkward.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Varsoon

Varsoon is either scum or a fucking idiot.

Scum.

Huh? N1 I targeted Salamence.
N2 I targeted Mainez.
It's D3 now, right?

He's just a neighbor, yo.

I got back 'Neighbor' on Mainez.
Also, dude, Sala could still be a fuckin' scum JK for all I know
And Mainez could just be lying because LOL GAMBITS
I'm coming for you tonight, BBT. I don't like how you're reacting to all this and how you're lining up a lynch on me.
If anything, if Mainez flips town (or some shit that's not just Neighbor), then we know if there's a redirector in game AND we should probably lynch Sala.

No, he definitely didn't stop after that.

Like even if they are scum, who fucking cares, if we lynch Mainez we literally get two free scum.

But I think Mainez being scum makes most sense here

Might wanna lynch Molla as well.

I agree T S O is the next lynch.

SLOW THE FUCK DOWN.
I'm town.
I've been lying about everything.
I've been trying to draw the kill.

I honestly don't care what you have to say and I certainly don't want you making anywhere near end game, even if you're town.

You pushed that pretty hard and you started getting people to sway their votes onto Mainez which was fucking crazy given anyone with half a brain could work out that Sala was scum.

I tried to make it obvious in my hood that I was also a rolecop
you can ask them
but fuck it man, I should've been killed.
Which means these assholes expect you guys to be dumb enough to lynch me.
Everyone voting me right now is very easily scum influenced/has a scum in it.
DONT VOTE FOR ME, YOU IDIOTS.

Lynching town is against the town wincon, BBT.
Shove off.

Nah, you can eat rope.

PEdit - LOL. You're not town. Even if you are, you're so anti town that lynching you is like lynching scum.

[Varsoon]

Keep trying to distance yourself from something that literally happened in the same day phase.
:l

[Varsoon]

We've already been over this.
I'm not going to waste more time engaging you over topics we've beaten to death.
I'm sure you'd like that, because it'd be a grand distraction for you to coast off of, but nope.

Also, yeah, all of what TSO said.

[Varsoon]

Good ol "I would settle for a lynch on anyone but EPM and the IC" BBT

[Varsoon]

Right-o.
And Molla.

[Varsoon]

Pisskop's activity isn't exactly the sort of thing town should try to emulate.
At a point, posts become distracting and banal.

[Varsoon]

Nah, I just started the game on the assumption that my neighborhood was all-town.
Also claimed masons for the hardcore gambits.

[Varsoon]

T S O has been consistently pushing your lynch and bought into your sensationalist BS at daystart.
I don't read that as scummy.
Take Daystart out of context a bit more, plz.

[Varsoon]

And the JK didn't know Sala was conf scum on D1?

This is that deflecting rubbish I was talking about.
TSO brings up legit points; BBT deflects to something unrelated or tangentially related.

Also, it's clear that BBT's pushing for a TSO lynch now that you say you're considering TSO scum.

[Varsoon]

I'd put my votes on EPM or Massive, unless this is all some very laborious bus on TSO's part, but then he deserves to win the game, so EPM, really.

[Varsoon]

Don't like his play.
Don't like the sheeping of BBT.
Don't like the interaction between the scum and EPM.
Don't like EPM's votes.
EPM just gives me scum vibes hardcore, I guess.
Plus, BBT's been pushing this GOTTA LYNCH IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD thing really hard, leading me to further believe my hood is all town.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, wasn't the claimed JK and no-kill accounted for or am I trippin'?

Anyway.
Yes to the sheeping,
iirc there was awkward distance between the two.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, on the JK bit--Mainez was fairly sure that he stopped the kill on N1 by JK'ing TSO.
So either Mainez stopped TSO from performing a kill or
Mainez conf-town'd TSO by blocking a kill on him.

The argument for why they'd pick TSO over the IC has been made, too. :/

[Varsoon]

That wasn't the goal of my fake-claim.
See, it's shit like this that makes me scum-read EPM.

[Varsoon]

Nope. Try again.
Also, Mainez claimed 2-shot anyway.
Furthermore, that concedes that TSO is town--in that circumstance, why would I be against a TSO lynch?

Jesus, scumslip harder EPM.
VOTE: EPM

[Varsoon]

That's exactly the slip.
Also, I missed the full claim. Oooh, actually, Sala claimed 2-shot. I think.

[Varsoon]

Yes.

[Varsoon]

I wanted to see how both Mainez and others would react.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, sure, that's why I pushed the wagon back to Sala and even hammered it! It was all a genius scum move to make me look way shittier!

[Varsoon]

That, too, was revealed to be a gambit.

[Varsoon]

A lot of your posts have made me second guess myself.
I really want to stand firm though.
I'm dead set on BBT/EPM.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: BBT

Guess we're not lynching EPM despite the obvious scumminess?

[Varsoon]

Thank god the day is over.
See you chumps tomorrow.
Scum won't kill me.

[Varsoon]

Welp, that's what I figured.
I claimed Cop in my 'hood with an inno on Mainez and was talking about copping one of the other folks in the hood.
I don't think the kill came from in-hood, but it probably could've come from massive, just to fuck with me like that.
Anyway, Let's lynch someone and be done with?

[Varsoon]

We're in MYLO anyway.

[Varsoon]

assuming 2 scum alive.

[Varsoon]

Really, though, EPM just wants to widdle down worthwhile town voices to 3 people who don't trust each other and have no means of possibly getting all 3 of them to majority out on scum.
So y'know, no lynching here is a fucking dumb idea and likely to come from scum.
VOTE: EPM

[Varsoon]

Yeah, if scum is in their right mind, they'll either kill the IC or, if the IC seems sure to vote for the last townie, they'll kill outside the IC.

Sorry, EPM, but you and BBT were my biggest scum reads. BBT flipped town, which leaves you.
It bugs me that everyone is so convinced you're town, but whatevs.

[Varsoon]

Honestly, we should probably lynch TSO given the whole jailkeep/no kill thing, right?

I actually really want to lynch RC, because if RC is scum and wins this, I'll never live it down that I let such a crapper coast through a game.

[Varsoon]

But yeah, policy and logic aside, my gut says to go for EPM.

[Varsoon]

If you want to hedge your bets on 'scum in the neighborhoods', then lynch massive, but I doubt it.

[Varsoon]

Welp, RC is scum, I'll force this 1v1. Fuck it.
VOTE: Radiant Cowbells

[Varsoon]

Laying out while we're all still alive here, RC.

[Varsoon]

You don't have a cute reason.

[Varsoon]

What games are you reading where I play poorly as scum?

[Varsoon]

[Varsoon]

Hey, cool, same, but we've got more town-votes to actually lynch EPM with right now and honestly, TSO, fucking honest-leee?
I don't care if you're scum, T S O. If you are, cool stuff. Neato. Rally 'round the family, pocket full of shells. I'm fine with that.
Because EPM should be lynched because of his play--his play is scum play, even if it's from a town slot, and its driven me up a wall and pushed this game into a cesspool, so I'd be fine with that, I'd really be A-Okay,
VOTE: EPM

P-EDIT:
Yay! EPM wagon.
Wooo~

[Varsoon]

If EPM is smart, he'll just vote me and it'll be a good ol'fashioned mexican standoff/hope that massive isn't scum-off.

[Varsoon]

Dude, I'm beyond caring about reasons, I'm just gonna stick to my scum-reads heading into the day and cross my fingers I got it right.
I just want this game to be over.

I'm town, I'm just realllllly shit.
And it's embarrassing and I feel lame that literally none of my tricky bullshit worked, and that's it.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, dude, I don't even care, I just want EPM lynched and if he's scum I clap and I cheer and I make it to lylo because of-fucking-course I'm shit

[Varsoon]

I've avoided lynch-all-liars because I'm not a liar.
EPM's scum.
Ayo.

[Varsoon]

Nix the role part, add the EPM scum part.
Do the math.

[Varsoon]

I'm not even reading the game anymore anyway, I've got my vote on scum, I can't possibly do anything to convince these shitters, so I'm outie 5000

[Varsoon]

Doesn't really help that there's goons like you who are all
"EH FUCK YOU VARSOON! EAAAACH"

Like, jeeze, learn how to be hospitable to people in games you're in. I played like a real shitter, so I'm sure I deserve some flak, but don't throw the game because of it. Goddamn.

I'm sitting on a read that I'm confident on. I know for a fact that EPM, Massive, and RC all could give less of a shit about any points I make because there's scum in there and/or they are throwing game. So why put forth effort? TSO is already on the EPM wagon and has figured I am town. Pegasus is way more likely to be swayed by the arguments that are exterior to me. If Pegasus wants my thoughts on something, they'll ask.

Otherwise, it just bogs down the game to respond to all your taunts and shitflinging. Aint nobody got time for that.

[Varsoon]

See--just like I said. You're just gonna cross your arms and be all "EH FUCK YOU VARSOON! EAAAACH"

[Varsoon]

Jesus christ, is anyone even reading EPM's posts?
Like, holy shit, how does no one else see how obvious this is?

[Varsoon]

2813 is literally "HAHA DONT WORK HARD, LOOK AT HIM TALK SWEET NOTHINGS, TEEHEE LETS LYNCH TOWN"
like what the fuckkkkk

[Varsoon]

You can take me off that list because I am a town.

[Varsoon]

When it comes to Varsoon, asking

why

is probably not a great idea.
I'm glad you're putting in effort, though.

[Varsoon]

Hahahahahahah
All I'm saying is
Good luck.

[Varsoon]

I almost forgot this game existed
I want to punch RC in the nose

[Varsoon]

No, you're just annoying.
You being annoying is independent of alignment.
Ergo, I'm frustrated with you, which makes me want to play this game even less.
That's really shitty of you to play in a way that frustrates other players.
I'm trying to voice my frustration in a way that's not just hateful, but it's difficult, because you're the object of my frustration.

[Varsoon]

It's easy to play a good scumgame and not be really annoying.

[Varsoon]

Furthermore, some of the best town players on this site annoy the hell out of me.

[Varsoon]

I'm sorry if I'm a bit too critical. I've been really stressed out. Coming back to a game and having players be really hard to deal with isn't helping.
I really wish you'd step your game up, RC. You're a person I like seeing on-site, but it's frustrating to see you shit the bed over and over again in situations like this.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, I know, I'm a total sack of shit. I haven't denied that at all. :/

[Varsoon]

Except I'm voting EPM, RC.
You should vote EPM, too.

I really hate when I'm straightforward and people handwave that as 'AtE'.
Jeeze.

[Varsoon]

What does me unvoting EPM even accomplish?
EPM's my number 1 scumread.
If you vote for me, that's fine, whatever. If you're scum it doesn't matter because town can win independent of you. If you're town, it just means that you're the one throwing the game.
I don't understand what you want, other than for me to vote for Massive.
I'm not voting for massive, not while EPM is still alive.

[Varsoon]

[Varsoon]

Welp.
GG unless it's TSO + Massive.

[Varsoon]

Thanks for throwing the game.
I told you guys EPM was scum.
We could've figured out Massive.
Try to pin this on me some more and not your own obstinate play.

RC, I don't know what to do with you, but you're seriously going to need to change how you approach the game. Being in LYLO with you as town made the game unwinnable.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, I took far too many gambles. I've said it about a thousand times in this game, I really shit the bed.
The problem is, I made it to end-game and really wanted to win. I figured RC was town-but-dumb, I gave up on second-guessing TSO, and so that only left Massive and EPM to lynch.
I feel like I should be more upset at TSO for self-voting, but there was literally no way for us to win with RC playing how RC was playing ON TOP OF our IC not wanting to lynch scum, INCLUDING how much I threw my own credibility out the window in this game.

I think, at least, I have to applaud TSO for putting up with all of that as long as he did.

[Varsoon]

And while I say town-but-dumb, I guess I mean town-but-frustrating. I was serious earlier, RC, I like seeing you around on site and I think you're fine and all that, but the way that you play is going to cause problems with players who are more sensitive and/or vehement in their reactions.

[Varsoon]

I wasn't nearly as sure of Massive as I was EPM.
At the time, I was frustrated with you and I remember thinking "If RC baits me into losing the game with a lynch on Massive, I'll never forgive myself. I need to stick to this EPM read."
We could've all played better. :/

[Varsoon]

I was getting some heavy pinging from you because of how seriously you were taking me in-neighborhood and then in the thread after.

[Varsoon]

Honestly, I think you played fine. You guys made really smart decisions on who to kill in order to win lategame.