Mini 1699 - #swag wars: THE empire strikes back (swaggedout)

notscience · Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:20 am

VOTE: fairylit

notscience · Post Post #9 (isolation #1) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:29 am

Why can't it go over there?

notscience · Post Post #13 (isolation #2) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:42 am

WAGON HO

notscience · Post Post #16 (isolation #3) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:02 am

There's buddy number one

Where's buddy number 2 fairy

notscience · Post Post #18 (isolation #4) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:04 am

We both know you should never trust me

notscience · Post Post #24 (isolation #5) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:13 am

You mispelled "notsci"

That being said I agree.

notscience · Post Post #29 (isolation #6) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:18 am

Wicked, you're going to need to hone your sarcasm sense if you have any hope of reading me thing game.

notscience · Post Post #48 (isolation #7) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:06 am

In post 46, pieguyn wrote:
vote: Cabd

MOD: V/LA until Monday.
I should probably be able to get on and post time to time but I won't be around much until I get back from vacation.

and I think notsci is town!

ftfy

also cabd isnt in this game

notscience · Post Post #64 (isolation #8) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:58 am

I'm rather hurt I didn't get a reachout

Tammy's not getting a damn christmas card this year.

Also is that actually a scumread? I read that as RVS.

notscience · Post Post #70 (isolation #9) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:26 am

In post 68, fferyllt wrote:
In post 64, notscience wrote:I'm rather hurt I didn't get a reachout

Tammy's not getting a damn christmas card this year.

Also is that actually a scumread? I read that as RVS.

that's ok, we can form the first townbloc and exclude both of them!

Only if we can include layla

notscience · Post Post #73 (isolation #10) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:30 am

Because I feel like it

notscience · Post Post #76 (isolation #11) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:37 am

UNVOTE:

embracing my inner ffery

notscience · Post Post #82 (isolation #12) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:51 am

Your concerns are important to us, and we thank you for your patience.

A customer service representative will be with you shortly.

That being said, I wonder where I've seen someone come in and try to pl me and then I wonder what they flipped..

hmmm..

Strange, I'm pretty sure BBT did!

As an SK!

notscience · Post Post #85 (isolation #13) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:53 am

They are when they're from scum!

notscience · Post Post #88 (isolation #14) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:57 am

Well lets see

I have Uni as my avatar

And uni is the best.

So, not really?

notscience · Post Post #91 (isolation #15) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:00 am

So ffery, right now I'm at

You/Layla town

Wicked/vinkah maybe town

Ane maybe maybe maybe town

RC nottown

you?

notscience · Post Post #94 (isolation #16) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:10 am

The biggest issue is I just got out of game where the SK suggested a PL on me in a playerlist full of people more likely to disagree with it than join and it just looks like "hey guys im doing things"

I can understand your stance though.

notscience · Post Post #119 (isolation #17) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:35 pm

VOTE: RC

I'm going to be giving you sideways glances all game though.

Vinkah is kinda just a gut thing.

Anen's opening stuff just kinda feels town. It's not a ton but I felt like whereas most of the playerlist was null him I just kinda felt like "hm, maybe he is town"

notscience · Post Post #128 (isolation #18) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:12 pm

Why is RC low-hanging fruit, implosion?

Does being low-hanging fruit mean someone can't be scum?

notscience · Post Post #156 (isolation #19) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:55 pm

In post 154, Nachomamma8 wrote:Nah. The progression flicked from RC getting frustrated from notscience's early play, to frustration, to trying to do some damage control with the non game related discussion. That's not how RC would fake frustration as scum.

Then how would RC fake frustration as scum?

notscience · Post Post #157 (isolation #20) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:56 pm

Also this whole "everyone trust nacho's read on RC" thing is giving me the heebiejeebies

Its not so much the people saying it are its just like "inb4 scumteam whiteknights each other"

notscience · Post Post #160 (isolation #21) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:02 pm

Like I mean, if you have your own reads and it agrees, or if his read makes perfect sense goahead, I know I've done it in the past just

HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG

VOTE: Gnomeo

notscience · Post Post #163 (isolation #22) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:13 pm

I honestly don't think they are likely scum together.

notscience · Post Post #165 (isolation #23) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:21 pm

I just don't see scum being so unproductive this early. Especially anen, I've seen him be rather competent as town. I don't expect a scumteam of lurkers in a game that's not being hyperspammed or apathy induced, if that makes sense. One max.

notscience · Post Post #167 (isolation #24) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:25 pm

I can understand that.

But I'm still not scumreading anen, so it doesn't really matter.

notscience · Post Post #169 (isolation #25) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:28 pm

Not a ton.

I just played a newbie with him where he felt fairly obvious town.

notscience · Post Post #172 (isolation #26) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:39 pm

Remind me to look at it when I get time this weekend.

notscience · Post Post #299 (isolation #27) » Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:43 pm

In post 294, fferyllt wrote:I mostly would agree with your townpile. I'm aware that notsci could be jollying me along, but I think that will become apparent with more time. for now I'm treating him like town and listening to the echoes I get back.

Ask pie

because she either has to be right or make this a 1v1 between me and her

:3

notscience · Post Post #301 (isolation #28) » Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:47 pm

Did I stutter?

notscience · Post Post #306 (isolation #29) » Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:54 pm

In post 303, Vinkah wrote:since you're here though, notscience, can you remember earlyindecisivetownfferyllt? i can't?

I have never once seen ffery indecisive early and hold her vote until she felt confident about something

Ever.

notscience · Post Post #309 (isolation #30) » Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:57 pm

ffery I don't even have a sarcastic response to you not picking up that sarcasm.

notscience · Post Post #310 (isolation #31) » Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:59 pm

I literally have asked that question from him at least 3 times regarding you

AT LEAST.

Thoughts on my claim from last page?

notscience · Post Post #315 (isolation #32) » Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:03 pm

For a while I got all hung up on like "wtf is she doing playing so reserved wat teh fawk"

But then I embraced it

notscience · Post Post #317 (isolation #33) » Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:04 pm

that is what I mean

notscience · Post Post #320 (isolation #34) » Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:12 pm

NO PRESSURE PIE

Also which ff game

Was that the one nacho and I hydra'd

But i don't think I've seen her be wrong besides when scum.

notscience · Post Post #321 (isolation #35) » Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:13 pm

granted I udnerstand you have to take it with a grain of salt considering the possibility of me/pie as a scumteam and just whiteknighting each other, but still.

notscience · Post Post #328 (isolation #36) » Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:20 pm

Yes

I definitely remember making comments about it in a ton of games until I am just like

"this is ffery ok"

I'd say I will go back and get you games but frankly I can't even remember most of my games anymore

notscience · Post Post #333 (isolation #37) » Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:30 pm

Nah I'm naturally paranoid of you

I still remember you(or was it nacho, idr I know it was definitely sangres) talking about my paranoia regarding you being like bert's paranoia about nacho, that it just didnt ring true as scum (funny considering I love playing with both of you despite that paranoia)

There's a lot more to me than meets the eye!

pedit-

I think it was cabd or nacho.

Those are the two I normally

sheeped

used as resources

notscience · Post Post #339 (isolation #38) » Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:46 pm

I really hope you are who I think you are.

notscience · Post Post #436 (isolation #39) » Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:39 am

My b, thought I posted yesterday.

I will be here in a bit.

notscience · Post Post #492 (isolation #40) » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:45 pm

I am catching up now.

notscience · Post Post #493 (isolation #41) » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:49 pm

Okay

So

notscience · Post Post #494 (isolation #42) » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:49 pm

I am not sure how I feel about the pages I just skimmed

notscience · Post Post #496 (isolation #43) » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:35 pm

There were words on the page but Im just kinda like

"what did I read"

notscience · Post Post #498 (isolation #44) » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:06 pm

Look tomorrow when I'm not tired?

I don't really know

My eyes glaze over walls

notscience · Post Post #532 (isolation #45) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:04 pm

There is definitely a wagon on me.

I'm goign to

VOTE: anen

because I am an opportunistic scum trying to live

That being said pie's response to my claim si really really sketchy.

I made a huge fucking deal about her rate at reading me in that mini that just finished and pie's not sure I'd think to fake that as scum? Really? That looks forced as hell and is bugging the everliving shit out of me

notscience · Post Post #533 (isolation #46) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:07 pm

V/LA for the next week, will try to post at least once every two days but

notscience · Post Post #536 (isolation #47) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:12 pm

If we're going to wagon me I'd rather it be sooner than everyone slowly "ehhh maybe he is scum"

notscience · Post Post #538 (isolation #48) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:18 pm

Thats because walls are antitown

notscience · Post Post #540 (isolation #49) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:28 pm

Well that could be because I apparently have neglected to "town it up" this game

Which is a believable statement in my mind

>_>

notscience · Post Post #541 (isolation #50) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:32 pm

Also, although fery didnt outline her reasonings behind why my posts last night didn't sit well I can see the thought process behind that.

She's pretty town.

I have a little voice in my head wondering if tammy is scum.

notscience · Post Post #543 (isolation #51) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:40 pm

What do you think of the prior votecount ffery?

notscience · Post Post #545 (isolation #52) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:44 pm

Okay.

I'm going to guess its a matter of not really being able to engage, which I can understand. I don't really know what to tell you, I am kinda disengaged and I'm not sure how to fix it.

notscience · Post Post #749 (isolation #53) » Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:09 am

Hey ffery, you remember Cash Cabd?

notscience · Post Post #751 (isolation #54) » Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:18 am

Namely the night one kill.

That's what this feels like to me.

And I know I was the reason for the kill there but

notscience · Post Post #753 (isolation #55) » Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:53 am

Low information

notscience · Post Post #754 (isolation #56) » Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:54 am

But I rmeember you made a point that it made it seem like there was a 3p in the game

notscience · Post Post #756 (isolation #57) » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:12 am

Scum who are content with how the game is playing out

notscience · Post Post #758 (isolation #58) » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:15 am

What is yours?

notscience · Post Post #760 (isolation #59) » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:44 am

fuck that makes sense too

notscience · Post Post #773 (isolation #60) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:44 am

That's nice, I'm still town, and I will still point back to earlier.

So.

notscience · Post Post #774 (isolation #61) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:46 am

Why are people townreading RC again?

notscience · Post Post #780 (isolation #62) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:30 pm

I'm caught up but i'm not fully engaged.

My thoughts are pretty much

ffery town
layla town
vinkah town
tammy maybe town?

And thats about it!

notscience · Post Post #791 (isolation #63) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:04 pm

I don't know how I feel about you, pie.

RC might be town.

But if he's town, who is scum?

notscience · Post Post #792 (isolation #64) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:07 pm

The second line is what I make from that exchange earlier

I'm not going to townread you for reading his ISO in another game and comparing thoughts with ffery, if that's what you're asking.

notscience · Post Post #794 (isolation #65) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 5:37 pm

That was adressed to pie

notscience · Post Post #811 (isolation #66) » Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:08 pm

ffery why are you blue

notscience · Post Post #815 (isolation #67) » Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:04 pm

I claimed a vig on your slot that didn't go through.

Care to share?

notscience · Post Post #824 (isolation #68) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:18 am

Tammy are you town ?

notscience · Post Post #841 (isolation #69) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:17 pm

Are we all going to just ignore how forced S-S's response to my post was, and how RC isn't reading any of my posts, yet has seemed unsure of me?

Or..

notscience · Post Post #847 (isolation #70) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:21 pm

VOTE: S-S

Who takes a post like that on blind faith?

Like, wouldn't that be setting off alarms?

pedit-

I LOVE JOSTLING

riding the horses

using a lance

notscience · Post Post #853 (isolation #71) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:35 pm

In post 849, fferyllt wrote:that's jousting.

thatsthejoke.jpg

notscience · Post Post #900 (isolation #72) » Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:22 pm

In post 871, fferyllt wrote:I don't know why I'm "slow playing". I don't feel introspective enough to try to isolate causes. I'm just going to play the game and see where the thread takes me.

I feel like pieguyn could be scum. When I actually read her iposts I feel like her points and considerations are coming from a town mindset, but they are so detached feeling. Very contained. If there's effort toward refining reads and finding scum, it's not apparent. It's incredibly low key.

And I feel like this description and impression I have of her play in this game is being echoed by you, Vinkah, about my play.

I thought I posted this but

I echo this sentiment re pie

notscience · Post Post #922 (isolation #73) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:43 am

I have some errands to run.

I'll be here when I get back.

notscience · Post Post #939 (isolation #74) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:38 am

In post 902, pieguyn wrote:you have one chance to rectify this. talk to me about what, specifically, you've wanted to see from me that you haven't been seeing.

I don't know.

I know you haven't been as active as much and all of what you said.

I just feel like something's missing. Like I can't quantify it. So, whoops, chance blown.

In post 903, pieguyn wrote:I'm reading this again and I actually really hate this reasoning. why do you think, for instance, scum S-S *wouldn't* think to double check what you said first? I'm pretty fucking sure this is the kind of thing most scum would stop to think about (Ank from H+1); on the other hand, I *can* potentially see it from town who hasn't seen any need to read anything. I don't think it's a strong tell but either way you have it entirely backwards.

I'd also like to know how what happened to your town read on Layla from earlier.

Because what I'm saying is it sounds forced. As in, he looked back, saw what happened, and then was trying to comment about it and it came out forced. My layla read is just meh. Like I did think she was town yes but if she's not here and I forget she's a thign how am I supposed to townread her?

notscience · Post Post #1013 (isolation #75) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:44 pm

@tammy- I honestly didn't read a ton of their posts in that game, so I don'tt really have anything to say.

notscience · Post Post #1017 (isolation #76) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:09 pm

ffery what kind of response were you expecting from me to pie?

notscience · Post Post #1019 (isolation #77) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:15 pm

I said early if pie starts scumreading me that I want her purged with fire after I flip town but I'm no longer remotely confident in that, because my play just feels off.

So eh.

notscience · Post Post #1022 (isolation #78) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:31 pm

Wait shored up is a good thing?

I thought it was a bad thing

notscience · Post Post #1024 (isolation #79) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:44 pm

In the interest of full disclosure, I'm not sure scum/me would have tried to bullshit something on pieguy.

And I don't think scum/me has had any problem before with correctly identifying why something is scummy before so

notscience · Post Post #1026 (isolation #80) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:47 pm

I'm just not really sure my play this game should be townread if that makes any sense

notscience · Post Post #1030 (isolation #81) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:11 pm

What do we think of Nacho?

I keep forgetting hes in this game and I know this sounds hypocritical but

notscience · Post Post #1110 (isolation #82) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:24 pm

So I made up something to say I didn't make something up?

notscience · Post Post #1113 (isolation #83) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:28 pm

You and me both.

notscience · Post Post #1114 (isolation #84) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:29 pm

Why aren't we lynching s-s

notscience · Post Post #1115 (isolation #85) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:30 pm

Wait what the fuck S-S is layla

notscience · Post Post #1116 (isolation #86) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:31 pm

How does this make any sense

notscience · Post Post #1118 (isolation #87) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:36 pm

I'm looking back at RVS for inspiration.

I like ffery's RVS.

I like pie's.

I like Vinkah's.

I still like tammy for town.

I have no idea where else to go frm here.

notscience · Post Post #1121 (isolation #88) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:45 pm

Can we wagon Nacho or RC or something

notscience · Post Post #1124 (isolation #89) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:54 pm

I'm talking about my play too.

because I didn't like everyone shunting the early RC thing and I keep forgetting nacho's in this game and that bothers me in terms of his alignment

notscience · Post Post #1142 (isolation #90) » Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:45 pm

In post 1131, pieguyn wrote:
In post 1124, notscience wrote:because I didn't like everyone shunting the early RC thing and I keep forgetting nacho's in this game and that bothers me in terms of his alignment

you're aware Nacho is V/LA and hasn't had a chance to catch up since then, correct? I don't think this is half a big a deal as you (or people like Wicked) think it is.

what are your thoughts on Boon and implo?

No I actually wasn't

I wouldn't be too heartbroken at lynching either, but I'm doing just slightly more than boon is so woo hypocrisy

notscience · Post Post #1190 (isolation #91) » Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:15 pm

Thoughts on my push on S-S scumcho?

notscience · Post Post #1192 (isolation #92) » Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:17 pm

Did I ask you?

No.

Don't get involved in my lines of questioning.

notscience · Post Post #1194 (isolation #93) » Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:19 pm

In post 1192, notscience wrote:Did I ask you?

No.

Don't get involved in my lines of questioning.

notscience · Post Post #1196 (isolation #94) » Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:21 pm

You say my push is weak?

Okay.

What does it say of my alignment then?

notscience · Post Post #1198 (isolation #95) » Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:24 pm

Well, if only I knew where to start.

Your discredits and arrogance make it hard to find a good place to push, because I know scum are never those things.

I know scum wouldn't want to prevent town from interacting with each other to get reads to.

So hm.

notscience · Post Post #1202 (isolation #96) » Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:32 pm

I suppose you're the kind of person who calls out your pressure votes too then, huh?

notscience · Post Post #1207 (isolation #97) » Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:40 pm

I don't see what you mean.

The only thing I see is where he acknowledges it was forced.

I'm not sure how I feel about the past few pages.

It feels like scum trying ot do pro-town things but it all just feels gross.

notscience · Post Post #1290 (isolation #98) » Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:00 pm

Hey nacho I'm going to mention you and not trusting you again then not vote you at the same time.

Again.

VOTE: implosion

L-1, I can get behind the constituents of the wagon.

notscience · Post Post #1292 (isolation #99) » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:06 pm

[font=][/font]I don't like him townreading me.

I understand the reasoning.

I still don't like it.

notscience · Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:27 pm

UNVOTE:

notscience · Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:33 pm

In post 1296, fferyllt wrote:ugh. I'm not sure where I want to go.

We could go for boon.

I understand nacho's thing about him makinghis alignment obvious later but why not make it obvious now?

pedit-

what do you mean timing ffery

notscience · Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:42 pm

How about you read the thread before you act like you have a smoking gun, RC.

Literally every other person in this game knows/could tell it was a reaction test.

notscience · Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:45 pm

Which, hint, is what I told you last time you mentioned it.

But no, cherrypick more.

That is a town thing to do.

notscience · Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:10 am

In post 1418, fferyllt wrote:The point about the leadership vacuum in this game is a valid one. scum nacho would probably have filled it, at least at the tactical moments.

But he hasn't been around so much that he could even take this position.

notscience · Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:13 am

Like I fully see your point and I think it also stems from the fact that noone in this playerlist sans you, pie, or nacho would be people I could see as orchestrating a leadership position but while you are trying to do things yes, the other two notsomuch and pie is going to yell at me because hse has been doing things but not full on taking a leadership role is my point!

notscience · Mon Aug 10, 2015 9:41 am

In post 1426, pieguyn wrote:ftr this is the third time I can think of this game that notsci has walked in here and blatantly postured to join the leading wagon.

DOES ANYONE ELSE SEE THE PROBLEM HERE?

That you're scumreading me and not pushing me and insisting on giving me space so I make it to lylo so you can push me?

notscience · Mon Aug 10, 2015 9:47 am

That you keep giving me space so I can town it up and when I don't town it up there are no repercussions except you posturing about me?

notscience · Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:37 am

This is also an awful post.

notscience · Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:38 am

Are you going to deflect by calling it awful too?

Or just do that to this post?

notscience · Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:45 am

I don't want to lynch ffery or nacho.

Probably not tammy.

They don't want to lynch S-S so okay.

They don't want to lynch RC so ...

I don't think they want to lynch pie.

Nacho doesn't want to lynch boon.

Vinkah, or wicked.

notscience · Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:54 am

I'm looking back and the only thing I saw was where nacho said it wasn't.

notscience · Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:58 am

The thing about keeping people off balance?

notscience · Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:51 pm

I don't think "playing scummy to get reads based off of how people view you" excuses him from anything, if that's what you're asking.

notscience · Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:52 pm

Like why can't I just say I've been playing more detached to see who of the people I play with a ton would push me?

Idk it doesn't necessarily make me feel better its just like "meh."

notscience · Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:31 pm

In post 1455, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1450, notscience wrote:I don't think "playing scummy to get reads based off of how people view you" excuses him from anything, if that's what you're asking.

because he does it every game?

It's part of the reason I'm townreading him. the other stuff is mostly how he's interacting with me and with his scumreads.

I'm telling you this so you won't try to lynch him after I die.

implo is liable to shoot me tonight so I don't think it particularly matters what my views are.

notscience · Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:35 pm

You're missing that I'm town, pie.

notscience · Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:40 pm

In post 1467, Boonskiies wrote:I'm super obv town, and for some reason Pie likes to lynch ObvTown Boon. LLLL. Nacho may be scum buddying me, but meh. I'm too lazy to stop that from happening.

VOTE: Notscience

I'll also go tammy.

Do you make a habit of voting town?

notscience · Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:14 am

In post 1477, Soft-spoken wrote:but rlly notsci im still waiting for you to legit towntell because there was that thing i thought was town at first but i havnt seen anything else

I've had this discussion with several people already.

I'm trying.

notscience · Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:37 am

Why are people townreading wicked?

notscience · Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:40 am

Like I see there are townreads

but

pedit-
He's null for me and I'm trying to understand why he's a top tier read for you. The big things I remember are people complimenting his transparency and him thanking them and the thanking just sounded slimy which is really strange because its a thank you but I'm kinda stuck because everyone else seems to have these reads that look a ton different then mine

But at the same time my reads make me nervous because I have the people who can probably snow me best all as at least a lean townreads so I'm a bit bothered by that.

notscience · Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:42 am

EBWOP-

*insert posturing about the leading wagon here*

notscience · Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:46 am

I have this thing where I'm really bad about towreading my friends.

Ask them.

And the EBWOP was because I keep posturing about the leading wagon so ill be damned if I stop doing it now!

pedit-

no, lol.

Pie called me out on posturing the leading wagon a ton.

notscience · Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:19 am

i can smell the flashlynch already.

notscience · Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:50 am

It used to be the case where, when I was scum, I was always detached.

I broke that with a few breakout games.

But I don't think being detached was only ever a scumtell for me, I think it used to happen in towngames too.

I don't really know what to tell you. Yes I am considerable less engaged here then there. If I knew why or how to fix it i would. I'm trying to.

notscience · Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:05 pm

can I retract my nacho stance

notscience · Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:37 pm

In post 1535, Vinkah wrote:i really don't see how anything in those three posts would make you want to retract your nacho stance? i mean if you're scum just fucking with our heads at this point, good job. but, what?

There's no point in elaborating because it's going to get tossed aside after I get vig'd tonight.

But, him saying he hates this game made me start to wonder if he's intentionally mirroring fery.

So.

notscience · Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:52 pm

I don't.

I wish I was in this game more.

notscience · Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:03 pm

Like I mean

I do understand why you could hate this game

but that doesn't mean I'm not casting squinty glances?

notscience · Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:31 pm

VOTE: RC

its about damn time

notscience · Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:51 pm

If it's any consolation I've been saying vote RC for the better part of the game.

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:15 am

This could just be me but I think my scum meta is more intricate than tunneling or not (which, us wrong seeing as I'm town)

I'd direct you to pie but she's scumreading me and I'm not sure she scumreads me along with a buddy after bins game so.

If you are one for selfmeta, a lot of my scumgame revolves around buddying my friends (which could arguably be said about fery here- me buddying nacho would have come off as off because I'm normally insanely paranoid of him. I wouldn't want pie to get too close and then Tammy hasn't really been a big factor (which also this bugs me btw)). I would join wagons based off of others stances and try to break u fights, taking every instance to make a post with genuine emotion. I would also aim to start some stupid off topic discussions to detract from the point at hand.

So meh.

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:54 pm

I breadcrumbed when I gambitted as third party as part of another gambit.

I breadcrumbed gravedigger as scum.

Its not really alignment indicative.

I'm going to be rather upset if I get lynched over rc.

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:01 pm

Tammy I'm honestly not going to be ultimately positive on you either way. I'm not feeling a push on you.

I'm torn regarding pie because my head says she isn't scum but my gut is saying she is.

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:20 pm

I'm saying I personally dont feel like pushing you nor would I stop one

Afaik I dont think I mentioned concerns about you re wtp, you mentioned cheeto there and I said I didn't really read his posts bu

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:25 pm

She is talking about the setup and mod meta

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:43 pm

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:44 pm

I still stand by an rc wagon

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:51 pm

VOTE: boon

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:24 pm

I'm not? I'm pretty sure this is the first time you've actually setup spec'd

So idk what you want me to say.

If this was earlier we wouldn't have this issue

So.

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:28 pm

Alsoi haven't had a comp all day so I'm kinda trying to read while I'm hanging out so

You can flip out at me if you want but I'm pretty clearly not confident in my stance on you so idk why it matters that much

Pedit

Cool then I guess I'm a liar and should be lynched?

Or I missed it.

You decide

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:44 pm

Only if they are still around to consolidate.

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:46 pm

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:49 pm

I'm not denying it so.

Pedit

Okay.

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:53 pm

That its more likely to come from you town.

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 5:00 pm

Dont all talk at once or scramble around with my life on the line

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 5:12 pm

I didn't ever agree to splash wagon you

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 5:27 pm

Do we have enough peoople

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 5:32 pm

I'm still on the line.

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:33 pm

I am not scum tammy.

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:41 pm

I'm trying.

The person I'm really trying to wrap my head around is just this huge ball of uncertainty because I understand why she's scumreading me but I still have this futile hope that she's town just misreading me but at the same time I just don't know what to do because she /doesnt/ misread me and her misreading me here is throwing me all out of wack but that doesnt make any sense for her on a scumteam with RC because she JUST did the same thing in bins's game so I don't think she'd do it again which is throwing me all out of wack and then she flips out on me for not seeing that shes town and that i should know better which I admittedly do but she also knows that its the best way to shut me down and make me clam up is to do something like that. And especially because of how much we talk it shouldnt be this out of wack.

I think fery's town.

Nacho I could see either way, I did mention the mirroring thing that bugged me and nacho being nacho is always going to bug me but I just don't think I want to put anything there.

You are probably town.

But then we have all these random claims and they just make me antsy.

And then we have boonskies who did like nothing except come in and self meta, lay down some blanket reads and then dip out again but we dissolved his wagon so now we have me up versus RC who I've been scumreading all game but I can see the point you make about the setup and I don't feel confident there as much but what can I do? I know I'm town and I don'tknow if he is or not

Then we have wicked/s-s which fery has townreads on and I'm willing to trust her on those

then we have implosion who claimed a vig which is really sketchy but I'm also probably the target if he shoots so take this with a grain of salt

vinkah could be scum, I have no idea.

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:45 pm

I can understand where it comes from if town, but as scum it just feels kinda like "step into my web"

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:47 pm

What really bugs me is how intricate I try to be with my scum meta and then people simplify it and im like BUT YOU ARE MISSING ALL THE REASONS I AM DOING IT AND MY AGENDA AS SCUM

Like it's too late now but I did have one earlier tonight i think

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:50 pm

selfmeta

it was moreso "if I was scum this would be my approach"

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:51 pm

In post 1585, notscience wrote:f you are one for selfmeta, a lot of my scumgame revolves around buddying my friends (which could arguably be said about fery here- me buddying nacho would have come off as off because I'm normally insanely paranoid of him. I wouldn't want pie to get too close and then Tammy hasn't really been a big factor (which also this bugs me btw)). I would join wagons based off of others stances and try to break u fights, taking every instance to make a post with genuine emotion. I would also aim to start some stupid off topic discussions to detract from the point at hand.

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:56 pm

I don't know

Like I wish I had a better answer for you then I was really disengaged and whilst I was reading hte thread nothing really connected in my head but I don't.

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:00 pm

Well can you condone it soon?

I'd really rather not be lynched.

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:02 pm

We are wagoning vinkah tomorrow.

VOTE: rc

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:04 pm

we only have 5 people here with deadline in an hour.

We can't do it.

We run him up tomorrow.

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:04 pm

Also I would say the last role would be a commuter but meh

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:06 pm

Also I fully anticipate a pie readflip or she needs some time in the limelight.

This is me, limiting her options to push me.

So.

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:08 pm

I'm pretty sure both are asleep.

So.

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:48 pm

VOTE: boon

chugga chugga

woo woo

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:55 pm

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:56 pm

In post 1682, notscience wrote:I'm not? I'm pretty sure this is the first time you've actually setup spec'd

So idk what you want me to say.

If this was earlier we wouldn't have this issue

So.

I meant this game.

SO no.

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:57 pm

Which, ffery then told me I was wrong and I was like "welp gues I'm lying and scum, or I was apathetic and missed it. You decide!"

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:26 pm

I'm not arguing against you.

I said I am not sure about you.

That does not mean I am arguing against you, you are like "HEY NOTSCI YOU CALLED ME TOWN FOR DOING THESE THINGS BEFORE AND I KNOW YOU DID SO WHY ARENT YOU CALLING ME TOWN HERE"

Like

Come on

you know better than that tammy

I missed the early setup spec, first off

second off, if I'm not sure, you throwing things I used to read you in past games at me isn't helping because *maybe* you are scum who knows how I read you and what to incorporate *not I am not saying you are but you kinda need to understand why this isnt helping your case any*

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:26 pm

I for one am very eager to hear pie's thoughts regarding my posting tonight come tomorrow

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:33 pm

Except that's not what happened and I've already explained what happened.

You said I claimed I had never seen you setup spec, and I corrected it *and hint, after the fact it was discussed that I was wrong with what I had meant anyways* and I meant this game until that point.

So no.

Read the fucking game.

notscience · Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:38 pm

Im not suspecting you I'm arguing against your stance on me because it's based off of things that aren't true

notscience · Sat Aug 15, 2015 1:30 pm

I do not like vinkahs vote and I don't like him avoiding commenting on other things I dont like rcs post, and I want to hash things out with Tammy.

notscience · Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:39 am

I want more of a response to the end of the day than "the fuck"

I also am fine with a massclaim.

notscience · Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:06 pm

1) Okay, I now have no reservations. Pie is scum. The end of the day is the first time I've really been *into* the game. I can understand her misreading me throughout the rest of the game. Not then. That's bullshit. Especially when I KNOW she is big on actually reading the thread and understanding what is going on- if she was ACTUALLY town she would see Tammy's blowing what I say way out of proportion and me trying to explain that and work with her is something town-me would do. Also, this is me redacting my prior redaction that she needs to see some time in the limelight when I flip town.

2) I've been toying with the idea that someone who claimed lied, my first inclination would be implo.

fery

- iirc you said something about his crumb being day 2. Was that true? I'm rather bothered by it. Mainly because I don't see all scum in the unclaimed thus far, it clears way too many people. Especially considering that we have yet to see two kills on a night, I have no inclination to believe his claim at the moment.

3) In my prior thought, I realized I have no idea what a scumteam would look like vs a jk, a rolecop, and a miller. Maybe all vanilla, maybe an encryptor, like one role that can *actually* be caught by a rolecop and some roles that are completely innocuous.

4) I didn't like RC's wall regarding vinkah. We were laying a lot of the groundwork for a vinkah push today, but he feels the need to present a case for something we had all been heavily considering. If implo is telling the truth, he's who I'd look to next. Tammy's felt legitimate in the way she claimed, obviously S-S was the jk so there's no denying. I'm just not sure I like him waiting to claim rather than the obvious come out with it at the start, but this is a playstyle difference that doesn't really mean anything.

5) Today's lynch should be Vinkah. Tomorrow's should be pie. I don't think Nacho/pie are scum together because I think both would have steamrolled things rather than the way they have been, but I understand activity is a part of this, but they both aren't scum which means nacho is probably town.

notscience · Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:15 pm

Another big issue I have with an implo-vig is that looking at layla's iso, her last readspost said she's townreading everyone sans me (who I know is town), nacho, pie, and anen. That makes me think she would have targetted one of us. I'm definitely not a high priority scumkill. Nacho, maybe, but I would expect that from tammy-scum, which doesn't appear to be true. Pie, maybe. If implo *is* a vig I would anticipate that pie was the jk target. Pie was the only one out of us 3 that really seemed a consistent read for her- Layla mentioned her earlier when she called anen out on not noting her shadowing everyone. She only mentions me twice, once when she says she'll call me magic and once when she says I'm not her townread. None of her nacho stances look solid until that point.

notscience · Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:04 pm

I'm not sure how it all fits together implo.

I'm trying to put pieces together.

notscience · Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:23 pm

I think if nacho/pie were scum they would have strongarmed this game.

One of them is, yes.

Not both.

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 5:30 am

I'm scumreading both constituents of my wagon.

Isn't that supposed to be a bad thing.

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 12:14 pm

Also, why is ffery still alive.

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 12:16 pm

In a stark contrast to my last post- why ffery?

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:22 pm

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:52 pm

Well you can popcorn it to me after you claim

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:52 pm

In post 1937, fferyllt wrote:nacho.

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:56 pm

oh

im vt

pie.

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:02 pm

Because you are still alive and have been a pretty much universal townread?

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:04 pm

Because I can rationalize whytammy and nacho are both tsill alive but you being alive is bugging me?

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:08 pm

that opens up a fuckton of other questions.

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:14 pm

Those are my primary questions, and then branching out of said questions are "Is layla the type of person to protect defensively or offensively," "If I were a town JK who targetted (x) and someone claimed a vig on the other person, how do I react regarding my target?"

And I would honestly say N1 or N2, ffery.

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:48 pm

"Hey guys, I think scum would be more inclined to buddy each other than bus this game!"

"In pie vs ns it left me feeling like pie is town"

Uh huh.

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:51 pm

hey implo, I'll play ball

You are town

RC is town from the claim and we know boon is town

Do you really believe there are 4 town on that wagon?

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:53 pm

I'm saying I'm scumreading pie and I don't understand how me v pie leaves you thinking pie town, and that you are scumbuddies.

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:55 pm

Purely by the amount of people in this game?

But no, you're right

pie's interactions with me make her town, how could I not see it before?

And clearly the mod made an error and sent me the town role pm, I am in fact scum.

Whoops.

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:58 pm

Clearly there's something organic about pie scumreading me and giving me a fuckton of space all fucking game *which I understand that if she had been away she was away* but not pushing me until now.

Alas, I've been hoodwinked all game!

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:00 pm

Are you seriously asking that question

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:02 pm

Like I ctrl+f'd that and could tell what it was talking about

what

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:06 pm

oh, I'm sorry

I was under the impression you haven't stopped scumreading me all game and had no intention to

Sorry I don't magically know all your markers for town so I can perform them for you?

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:08 pm

I thought you were referring to the first part, which was evident in that post.

I have no idea why he's townreading me.

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:12 pm

It's also telling that pie is choosing to argue with me rather than try and sway tammy and ffery to follow her

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:15 pm

Pie/Nacho would have strongarmed this game.

One is scum.

Not both.

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:22 pm

It delves down to what I know of pie. I know pie has been dying to draw scum with nacho because the two of them are very loud people when they want to be and could yell down people scumreading the other. Basically I could see them going "oh hey you are town and you are town lets be mason buddies!" and then just strongarm their way through the days, killing vocal people like ffery and tammy, I would probably be alive because while I would be paranoid of both they would protect each other.

Its basically they are both very strong players and I know pie has been dying to be scum with nacho so rather than play as passive a game as they have with town really looking for a leader, if they were scum together they oculd have easily controlled this.

pedit-
what do you think of pie not campaigning to you

notscience · Mon Aug 17, 2015 5:10 pm

In post 1996, Wickedestjr wrote:
In post 1973, notscience wrote:It's also telling that pie is choosing to argue with me rather than try and sway tammy and ffery to follow her

Can you explain why you feel this way?

Because they are some of the people more familiar with me in this game, more likely to be able to have a 2 way discussion about me.

Like, especially ffery, whos had a wavering townread on me all game, it would m ake sense for town-pie to try and sway her but she hasn't even reached out to her