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confirmation life is your creation

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VOTE: Shinobi

Scum line indeed.

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Scorpious is likely town but likely dumb town.

Shinobi is probably scum and has done nothing to make me scumread him less.

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VOTE: cowbells
until he explains his reads

Until I explain my reads?

So when I explain my reads your opinion on my alignment will change?

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I've seen such comments from scum before, especially given that we are likely pressuring his buddy if he's scum.

Not saying he's scum, just saying that it's pretty possible to go either way.

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I don't like Catboi parcelling out townreads.

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This lobby though.

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Uh, my vote isn't RVS at all thanks.

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Spiffeh is cancer, most of this lobby is bad, and Shinobi is probably scum.

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I won't treat you like you're new to forum mafia if you stop playing and acting like you are.

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The stupidity is unfathomable.

Once you've seen that I'm town, speedlynch Shinobi.

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Like literally I've played some terrible games but this one is in a tier of it's own.

Spiffeh and Kyubey so self righteous in their idiocy that it's just sickening.

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While I can't really townread anyone at the moment, I'd lean more towards Jean being town than not. He hasn't done anything that would stand out as either alignment, but since his approach has been more investigative than accusative, my gut tells me he's town. That said, I wouldn't bet my life on it or anything. I don't agree with him voting for you though.

Why is being "investigative" more likely to make someone town?

Because of what drives both sides. Unlike townies, who are supposed to be motivated to find out who is who, scum's objective in the game is to mislead others into lynching the wrong person. In other words, they're not in it to find out anyone's alignment because they already possess that info. If the majority of posts someone has are at their core just accusations, then it's more likely for that person be scum than not. Of course everyone HAS to accuse at some point, and the frequency of accusations someone does is also very dependent on play style, so this isn't exactly a foolproof method of identifying scum. On average though, I've found it wiser to be more suspicious of those who just accuse and don't make it a priority to explain their reasoning over those who try to understand the other players and explain their thought process to everyone without being forced to. It's not that being investigative proves innocence (since a good scum should already knows this and will therefore try to be as investigative as possible); It's that accusing a lot makes people more suspicious of everyone and therefore makes it harder for the townies to band together, which at the very least is anti-town. This is largely based on my preference in play style and how I think so I'm not really asking people to base their suspicions on what is largely just my gut instinct.

I puked in my mouth that this passes for "logical analysis."

You have no idea how to play this game. There are people who aren't good at this game and that's fine, but don't start spewing nonsense and pretending you have a clue when you clearly don't.

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Having catboi on your scumlist is literally unfathomable fyi.

That's a scumclaim of the highest order.

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Kyubeh your logic is fucking horrendous stop wallposting.

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VOTE: RC

I'm not playing this. hammer me.

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Literally, Shinobi, you are behind Huntress the worst scum player I have ever seen and I can't even fathom how you manage to get these backwards ass towns every time.

You're going to win this game, and you don't deserve it at all.

Replace out then please.

no.

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That assumes that I'm town.

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I mean, you've been talking like you know I'm town literally the whole game and yet you voted me, so wouldn't that make you equally guilty of playing against your win-con?

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If you were town and wanted to sabotage our game then you wouldn't care about other's opinion about your alignment.

Holy fuck you're a genius your analysis is SO AMAZING.

Can you at least promise me that when it turns out that every single pretentious pile of shit you've piled into this thread is wrong you'll shut the fuck up and let people who know how to play do the talking?

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VOTE: Kyubey The Kid

I'm not even sure he's town anymore.

This is a level of stupid so profound that it might be faked scum logic.

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Which leads me to the main question you keep dodging: Why do you talk so much when you have absolutely nothing to say?

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I think it's more likely that Catboi and RC are working together than RC being guilty and Catboi just naively believing in him without question.

Did you ever consider it's really, blindingly in fact, obvious that I'm town?

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Did you ever further consider that it's really, blindingly in fact, obvious that Catboi's town?

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Have you noticed Shinobi spends more time discussing reads with the people that he townreads?

You seem to be under the insane delusion that that makes him town, so I'm going to clarify this for you: spending more time engaged in undirected discussion with your supposed townreads than pushing reads, particularly when you have a supposed "major scumread" at L-2 who you want to get rid of is not townie at all and I don't know where you got the impression that aimless "talking through reads" is townie, when it's the easiest thing for scum to fake.

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What value is that information if you believe I'm scum?

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Like let's be real here, you aren't talking to me you're making a show for others.

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Like, what Shinobi is not telling you is that last time we were in a game together I replaced in, called him and both of the other scum within minutes of replacing in, then got mislynched by a pair of terrible masons and had my reads get complete ignored resulting in a town defeat.

That's the context for why Shinobi would be incredibly unlikely to simply dismiss me out of hand this game as town and he clearly has done so.

Maybe I might change my read based on things that happen in the thread.
Who knows.

See that's my point.

For him, this isn't about my read on him, this is about him trying to bribe me into letting him get off the wagon easy since he knows it's not going to happen.

He's trying to get an excuse to change HIS mind, not try to change my mind.

Oh, and

Play the game you clown.

No one says that to a scumread... ever.

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Like, Shinobi essentially very early on wrote this game off as me having a permanent scumread on him, and that makes the most sense when you consider I nailed him in the previous game and he figures I've nailed him here and won't let go.

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Actually no, my play in the two games is far more similar than you are proposing it is.

Firstly, I never engaged with you last game because I knew you were scum. I engaged with Thor specifically because I assumed he was a semi-decent town player and that my reasoning would get through to him. I later realized he was scum and then gave up on appealing to anyone because of the twit masons and selfvoted... much like I did in this game.

Or are you saying that you weren't hoping that I'd end up selfhammering, because it's pretty obvious to me that that's what you wanted.

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And again, given that I was actually in the game you would have had to know I remembered what happened, which makes it more of a deliberate misrep than anything which is clearly directed at others, not me.

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Yeah, I would absolutely love to see KTK lynched because terrible town is usually more dangerous to town than actual scum.

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What reasoning? I was under the impression that I hadn't shared most of what I was thinking with the class.

Or were you just saying that because you thought KTK and the noob crew would read it and think it's sounds good?

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But how can my reasoning be not as good as you've seen it in the past if you haven't seen it?

You're jumping through all these hoops trying to justify your scumread on me and you're ignoring the fact that you contradict yourself.

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I know for a fact that there's another town sitting there thinking that.

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Town: Catboi, Scorpious, RC
Leaning town: KTK, Shinobi
Prob scum: Lextrew

Null on everyone else.

Cheers, GL with my replacement, etc.

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I mixed up Jeandarc and Lextrew.

If you're going to listen to any of my reads when I'm gone, it'll be to lynch Jeandarc.

VOTE: Jeandarc

Final post, bye!

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Until I'm officially replaced out I'm going to keep reminding you than Jeandarcarthage needs to be utterly destroyed.

Scorpious might be scum because I called him dumb town and he said "nice".

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I'm not going to risk getting repunished by offering a sig bet, but I'm pretty damn sure it's Jeandarc and Scorpious at this point.

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Then, Spiffeh, why don't you vote him to help me gather momentum for that lynch before you head out?

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I think he's town right now. I'm highly unlikely to vote Shino again today, particularly with my major scumreads maneuvering around the area.

I'd prefer to vote one of the two people I already listed.

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Most people don't think my reads are that great.

Then the game ends and it's oh look RC was right about everything again as usual.

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Of Scorpius and Jeandarc, my two scumreads, I consider Jeandarc basically confirmed scum whereas Scorpius is just a lean.

I absolutely loathe this Scorpius wagon and the role I played in getting it to happen.

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I hate how Jeandarc disappeared and all momentum there went with it.

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Ah, but if the random number generator has a, say, 90% chance of landing on scum then it would be prudent to make use of it, no?

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I mean, I've tried explaining my reads in the past and usually the reactions, even from people who have seen that my strategy has a high success rate, are to claim that my tells are "non-alignment indicative", to accuse me of making it up or to outright claim I'm scum for using what I'm using as a tell.

3 different times I've made this assertion, had people claim that I was wrong or that this game would not be like the last, then I post my reasoning and get the same kind of reactions. And then end up having been right.

So I'm not sure what you want me to tell you besides no, I do not think Shinobi will flip scum and I think you're barking up the wrong tree there.

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And I guarantee you, that if the fact that you've gone through my games and seen my success rate hasn't already convinced you then the Shinobi town flip, with or without my death tonight, will not convince you either.

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Oh, and I've listened to what you had to say. You called for a reread on Scorpius, which I did, causing me to revise my opinion on him from town to scum.

If by "listen to you" you mean "blindly sheep you when I totally disagree with the lynch you're pushing" then we've got an issue here.

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If we've lynched the scummy people and there's still scum left we'll lynch KTK.

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I could totally definitely see him being like faking balls to the wall stupidity to try to avoid pressure, but there's better lynches even now.

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Someone vote Jeandarc, jeez.

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This lobby is blehrghr.

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is this the real life

is this just fantasy

caught in a land slide

no escape from VOTE: scorpius reality

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I'm also giving serious consideration to lynching Psyche, but Scorpius is in a class of his own for lynch quality right now.

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He meant your life partner, ie your significant other.

Obviously...

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stop lurking so we can end this game pls.

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Post in the name of mordor.

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LOOK AT ALL THIS CONTENT.

ISN'T IT NEAT?

WOULDN'T YOU THINK THE GAME'S POSTING'S COMPLETEEE

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Alright, Lex has 17 posts and clearly doesn't give an f about the game.

Let's just get rid of him today.

VOTE: Lextrew

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I mean I'd hit up Vijay, but, you know...

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I don't see how anyone does not already know his mason partner.

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I think it's funny that both of the people who I was calling bad and going off on (Scorp/KTK) townread JeanDarc.

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Scorpious, you said you know that I'm town. Explain how that is the case.

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Like, just hardclaim.

Vedith should claim as well.

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The way I see it at this point, we've got 3 confirmed town in RC / Shinobi / Vedith.

We also have Scorpious who has claimed investigative.

If mafia NK scorpious, town autowins. If mafia let him get an invest off, town autowins.

If scorpious is scum and lying about his claim, he will confirm himself as scum.

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And one more thing; i'm gonna pay by cheque.

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Well, we have 3 lynches and one of them is you.

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just claim please.

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still waiting for scorpius to claim.

mod's kinda MIA as well.

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I am not continuing with anything until Scorpius claims.

We likely have autowin so I want to make use of it.

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and free me free me free me from this world

We don't belong here it was a mistake imprisoning our souls

can you free me and free me from this world...

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go to sleeeeeeeeeeeeep

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given that we've been unable to progress due to scorpius's absence, I propose a like 3 day extension so we can get his claim and decide on a course of action.

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meanwhile...

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stop hammer time.

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as in like the song, not suggesting that anyone hammers.

Why is it that so many games on MS die to apathy and replacements these days?

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I was told that people wanted to play mafia.

The fact that this game is happening determined that that was a lie.

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so you're the new lextrew?

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oh, you're the new scorpius. OK.

hi

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Your slot claimed unspecifically a PR of some sort. You need to claim it outright.

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the fuck is a town mail man.

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ok quick drawing board session

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Alright, so I've come to the point where I'm willing to grant Scorpious conftown status if the role claim is true.

I do not believe a scum roleblocker is within the realm of possibility at this time.

Our play tonight will be to have Aj the Epic target one of the 2 remaining nonconfirmeds with the message "Annie."

If Aj is lying, then his only will to cover himself will be to kill a nonconfirmed which will reduce the pool of nonconfirmeds by 1, giving us 3/2 conf/nonconf and autowin once we realize he has to be scum.

If Aj is telling the truth, scum will either have to kill his target, reducing the pool of nonconfirmeds by 1 and giving us 3/2 conf/nonconf or let it live allowing us to confirm Aj, probably combined with a kill on a confirmed leaving us with 3/2 conf/nonconf.

Either way, if town is willing to take me as confirmed we autowin.

Even if I end up getting lynched, we still get a few shots at lynching the scum.

My lynch priority is Psyche > Lextrew > KTK.

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I was the one who led the Jean lynch, and it wasn't a policy vote at all.

I should be considered confirmed town because I'm obviously town. full stop.

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antsy?

K can you do me a favour and just stop posting except to prod dodge until I finish this game? thanks.

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just hammer.

shinobi, talk sense into your partner pls.

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Can someone explain why Vedith was scumreading me?

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My horse is so high that I'd risk serious injury trying to get down.

I'd prefer to remain up here.