Mini Normal 1707 - Frog Mafia! - GAME OVER - TOWN WIN!
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In post 1412, notscience wrote:Have we totally passed the conclusion the scum-scorpi would target BBT because he was one of the big pushers of him day 2, totally ignoring that mala was assured to target him?
Because that's my conclusion.
Obviously not
But then why is mala voting me. Hahaha
It strains the logical mind-
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In post 1414, Scorpious wrote:Just so I'm clear. I believe Mala and/or Zakk are remaining scum. I will only vote one of them. Everyone else is town to me..
And I feel the same about Scorpius and mala.
If Mala flips town JK we can duke it out tomorrow, but I highly doubt anyone but Scorpius would be lynched in that hypothetical scenario
Bring it on tho.
I'm more down for Mala today though simply because she's playing so ridiculously anti town and has been all game-
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So you prefer Scorpius today?
Or hunt more? Or what?
I say we lynch one, then the other if the game isn't over.
#followme
P.S. scum must be REALLY cheeky to not kill 2 days running, if your hypothesis is correct-
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Okay, this will be the best post of the game. Guaranteed.
Here's how I see things.
N1: Mala would have to have either jailed scum, or jailed who scum tried to kill. assuming scum tried to kill you, that's fair, seeing as you more or less led the lynch on Nosferatu/Maxwell. also, it strains rational thought to believe scum would begin a no-kill gambit on N1 in a normal. even though they lost their encryptor (which I doubt is their only power role, seeing as we appear to have a JK, a rolecop, and a backup rolecop).
N2: Mala said she jailed BBT, who heavily suspected scorpious. she also pre-hinted that BBT would be jailed. i think it's likely that scorpious could have not caught that (as I didn't either). it is really likely Scorpious would have targeted BBT, as BBT was one of the largest proponents of his lynch. And as the last scum player alive after Shiro was lynched D2, he had to play survivalistically. Which he's been doing again, today, voting Mala (only way she'll die, because he can't kill her if she blocks him again, and it's a good bet she will/would if we don't/didn't lynch one of them) or voting me (the only other remote possibility, given Mala's "freaken hate" for me, and given AxleGreaser's pigheadedness (sorry, lol). So everything is consistent with Scorpious being scum and making all the choices he needs to, to survive.
N3: Mala said she jailed Scorpious. There was no kill. This is entirely consistent with Scorpious being scum and just not catching the "you're next BBT" soft by Mala. Scorpious as scum would probably try to kill Mala as a claimed JK. And by probably, I mean definitely.
So really, all signs point to Scorpious. As ridiculous as Mala is being, especially since she's supposed to KNOW she's a JK and there should be no doubt in her mind of other shenaniganery going down... again, it really strains the mind to think that scum got blocked on D1, and then was SO confident that they thought they could hang Mala out to dry, as well as everyone she blocked. I would think scum would keep trying to kill. I know I would. Again, just because it's POSSIBLE does not mean it is PROBABLE.
I assume Scorpious tried as a last ditch effort to kill Mala last night, and got blocked.
So really, we've been handed the game on a silver platter. And a lot of it's just blind luck on Mala's part. Haha
VOTE: Scorpious -- I'm final. This is the only vote I'll do today.
Nothing else makes sense.-
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In post 1409, Scorpious wrote:Mama is lying.
jailing me last night would have been pointless,it prevented nothing. Unless I'm just an idiot. Jailing a VT does not prevent NK's..
also lol at this post
what more of a scum claim do you want...-
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unofficial vote count
(3) Scorpious — pistachi0n, Metal Sonic, zakk
(2) Malakittens — shaddowez, Scorpious
(2) zakk — Malakittens, AxleGreaser
(0) ika —
(0) Metal Sonic —
(0) shaddowez —
(0) AxleGreaser —
(0) notscience —
(0) pistachi0n —
(0) singersigner —
(2) (NOT VOTING) — ika, notscience-
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tl;dr of 1425:
D1:singersigner led a Nosferatu/Maxwell lynch
N1:scum tried to kill singer, Mala jailed singer
D2:after much hemming and hawing, shiro was lynched
N2:scum-Scorpious tried to kill BBT who suspected him, Mala jailed BBT
D3:we lynched BBT, much to Scorpious' cackly evil froggie delight
N3:scum-Scorpious tried to kill Mala, who was JK, but Mala jailed Scorpious
supertl;dr:
...lynch Scorpious and we win, homies-
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In post 1459, notscience wrote:Zakk are you a specific backup
Idk what you mean by specific
I'm a backup role cop and I get powers when the rolecop dies-
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I support the massclaim thing
I am a town backup role cop.
-my role PM specifically states in my colored role name that I am town
-my role PM specifically states in my colored role name that I am a backup role cop
-my role PM specifically states in my role description that I get become a role cop if "a" role cop dies – it doesn't say "the" role cop, and doesn't specify the alignment of that role cop. not sure if this is a big deal. maybe, maybe not
- I targeted nobody Night 1
- I targeted nobody Night 2
- I targeted nobody Night 3
I am functionally a VT.-
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i always get the heebie jeebies when someone volunteers to make tables and uses lots of fancy code to try to prove their worth in a mafia game
i want mala dead if we don't lynch scum today.-
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In post 1474, Malakittens wrote:In post 1465, shaddowez wrote:There's no way we have a town JK, RCop, BRcop, and a regular cop. Either the JK or the BRcop is lying/scum. Also, unless NS or Scorp is godfather, they're both conftown.
Are you claiming cop...?
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In post 1499, Metal Sonic wrote:i do not want to massclaim today.
you're the one who I want to claim the most.-
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if someone who MS rolecopped is lying, MS will know immediately
if MS is lying, we have plenty of wiggle room to lynch him after
MS claiming doesn't necessarily clear him as town, however, as a scum role cop, he'd really have no reason to wait, so wanting to wait feels town.
if MS is scum but not a rolecop (and there's a town rolecop who hasn't spoken up yet) then the town rolecop wouldprobably want to say something right nowso we don't end up lynching the wrong dude (unlikely)
if i'm a backup rolecop and there IS no full rolecop in this game... that's explicitly normal...
Modifiers which are explicitly Normal for any alignment include: ..., Backup (with or without primary role present), ..., ...
... but still a jerk move by the mod. lol-
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Interesting.
So with all we know now, there are a lot of "possibly scum" options.
Here is my recommendation:
If we reach the end of claims and Metal Sonic claims and is a rolecop, we simply have him rolecop anyone you copped that we suspect might be a godfather (Scorpius). Checking the wiki shows that godfathers will appear as godfathers to rolecops in normal games.
After we know results we cross reference them all, and do Process of Elimination.
Whoever is left, gets thrown in a pool. We agree who's the scummiest, and lynch them. My claim is partially corroborated by us having a crapload of power roles to role cop. My claim is also partially corroborated by metal Sonic's claim. It doesn't make sense to have a town backup rolecop get powers from lynching a scum full rolecop unless scum would possibly get something enabled from a town flip as well. Having a JK, Ascetic Cop, Rolecop, and Backup Rolecop is really powerful for town, and scum don't have a roleblocker unless it's Scorpius and the JK resolves first or cancels out. Therefore, the only thing that would make sense for scum to even CLOSE to match town's power, would be Encryptor AND godfather. And Scorpius' VT claim is entirely in line with that.
Personally I think Scorpius is a godfather, and I was right in this post:
In post 1425, zakk wrote:Okay, this will be the best post of the game. Guaranteed.
Here's how I see things.
N1: Mala would have to have either jailed scum, or jailed who scum tried to kill. assuming scum tried to kill you, that's fair, seeing as you more or less led the lynch on Nosferatu/Maxwell. also, it strains rational thought to believe scum would begin a no-kill gambit on N1 in a normal. even though they lost their encryptor (which I doubt is their only power role, seeing as we appear to have a JK, a rolecop, and a backup rolecop).
N2: Mala said she jailed BBT, who heavily suspected scorpious. she also pre-hinted that BBT would be jailed. i think it's likely that scorpious could have not caught that (as I didn't either). it is really likely Scorpious would have targeted BBT, as BBT was one of the largest proponents of his lynch. And as the last scum player alive after Shiro was lynched D2, he had to play survivalistically. Which he's been doing again, today, voting Mala (only way she'll die, because he can't kill her if she blocks him again, and it's a good bet she will/would if we don't/didn't lynch one of them) or voting me (the only other remote possibility, given Mala's "freaken hate" for me, and given AxleGreaser's pigheadedness (sorry, lol). So everything is consistent with Scorpious being scum and making all the choices he needs to, to survive.
N3: Mala said she jailed Scorpious. There was no kill. This is entirely consistent with Scorpious being scum and just not catching the "you're next BBT" soft by Mala. Scorpious as scum would probably try to kill Mala as a claimed JK. And by probably, I mean definitely.
So really, all signs point to Scorpious. As ridiculous as Mala is being, especially since she's supposed to KNOW she's a JK and there should be no doubt in her mind of other shenaniganery going down... again, it really strains the mind to think that scum got blocked on D1, and then was SO confident that they thought they could hang Mala out to dry, as well as everyone she blocked. I would think scum would keep trying to kill. I know I would. Again, just because it's POSSIBLE does not mean it is PROBABLE.
I assume Scorpious tried as a last ditch effort to kill Mala last night, and got blocked.
So really, we've been handed the game on a silver platter. And a lot of it's just blind luck on Mala's part. Haha
VOTE: Scorpious -- I'm final. This is the only vote I'll do today.
Nothing else makes sense.-
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Ooh I forgot to finish my plan.
If we lynch someone other than Scorpius and they're town, then metal sonic and malakittens don't claim who they are targetting, and target EITHER Scorpius, or someone else who shaddowez has cleared as ascetic cop. Functionally, this leaves Scorpius as hypothetical scum with two choices: try to kill mala when she's not targeting him, or try to kill metal sonic for fear he'll role cop him as godfather if Mala isn't also jailing him. This is double effective because as soon as sonic dies, if scum Scorpius ever guesses right, we still have me as a backup.
If we lynch Scorpius, and he's town, the game progresses as normal and the last scum tries their best to kill off all the power roles before they get PoEd into oblivion.
If we lynch Scorpius and he's scum, game over, we win, yay.-
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Actually, wait.
We can (!) just no lynch, and keep jailing Scorpious, and just keep copping and rolecopping as we see fit. Even if metal sonic or mala or IS scum, they will HAVE to clear Scorpious' name at some point in order to kill EVER again.
And scum CAN'T win if we keep gaining info without kills. Because hypothetically, once we decide to lynch Scorpius after a long string of no-kills and cop and rolecop results, if he's town, we'll know who scum is almost immediately.
So lynching Scorpious is almost a waste at this point, at least until we have a role cop result of godfather on him.
Downsides to this plan are: if Scorpius is town, and scum decides to stop no killing, we lose one of our three known power roles anyway, which would have happened anyway if we lynched Scorpious and mala jailed wrong.
So in essence we have a chance to information overload ourselves, scum has to clear Scorpious in order to win with this plan, so we may as well not lynch him, and scum also has to kill Mala to win, which helps us get rid of a scummy albeit useful slot.
We literally can't lose (unless we fall apart and start doing random things, and let scum take advantage of developing the chaos beyond our control to regulate).
So, UNVOTE: and let's figure out what the BEST plan is for EVERY situation-
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If you kill me you'll move on and be like "welp"
I'm kinda just waiting for something to happen. I know only one person is lying and with the power we have, it seems scum is pretty much up against the world when it comes to winning.
No matter what happens I think we get a win. I'm not opposed to spilling innocent blood in order to get there. We are so far ahead we've got lives to spare.
Mala should jail Scorp, and we should keep on scumhunting.
I'm gonna reread and ISO shiro and Maxwell to see what I can see in terms of interactions. You guys should too.-
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In post 1590, shaddowez wrote:At this point there's as good a chance of it being somebody we're not even looking at as it being zakk or Scorp. I'm thinking no lynch would be the best option with another check tonight, and hope scum decides to no kill again (or Mala jails scum).
Worst case scenario is we're one townie down and have a clear from Mala if nothing else.
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In post 1045, Shiro wrote:In post 1044, Scorpious wrote:Dammit Shiro. Stop making me like you.. You're scum lol
Interesting exchange-
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eh
UNVOTE:
i'm not particularly inclined to lynch anyone
iampretty bored with this game though
i would replace out if i didn't think we were on the verge of victory, and i also don't want to be a quitter when i think the game is well in hand
i just want something to happen
preferably soon
let's just go to night phase with no plans, and let the chips fall where they may
Mala can jail whoever she wants
everyone else can do whatever they want
and i can sit there and PM frogger "yes, i'd like the night to end early" because i literally have nothing else to do but wait for flips
and speaking of flips, let's make some happen, preferably those that aren't me
Malakittens
ika
Metal Sonic
shaddowez
AxleGreaser
Scorpious
notscience
zakk
VeeGee
singersigner
minus me, minus obvtown axle, minus obvtown singer, minus Mala cause jailkeeper claim
ika
Metal Sonic
shaddowez
Scorpious
notscience
pistachion (VeeGee)
minus metal sonic and shaddowez because of power role claims and info
ika
Scorpious
notscience
pistachion (VeeGee)
minus scorpious because wild card
ika
notscience
pistachion (VeeGee)
that's my preferred lynch list
ika, notscience, and pistachion (VeeGee)
which is the most palatable to you all?
i think pistachion
VOTE: pistachion-
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I wish I could tell you guys who to lynch when I'm dead but I honestly just want both mala and Scorpius dead just in case. And notscience for good measure.
If I'm the first in a long line of scorched earth, that's cool. I'm totally fine with that. As long as you get the bastard eventually
Btw axle, please start doing better after I die
Mala, sorry for being a jerk, honestly. That's just how I read people. It's nothing personal.
Fun game y'all. I'm not gonna self hammer cause that's awkward and rude as town. But I am not gonna fight this lynch because I know town needs info and some is better than none! And I'm kinda done playing this game anyway
Pls do not not win, town. <3-
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