Mini Normal 1707 - Frog Mafia! - GAME OVER - TOWN WIN!

[zakk]

VOTE: Mala

[zakk]

Have we totally passed the conclusion the scum-scorpi would target BBT because he was one of the big pushers of him day 2, totally ignoring that mala was assured to target him?

Because that's my conclusion.

Obviously not

But then why is mala voting me. Hahaha

It strains the logical mind

[zakk]

Just so I'm clear. I believe Mala and/or Zakk are remaining scum. I will only vote one of them. Everyone else is town to me..

And I feel the same about Scorpius and mala.

If Mala flips town JK we can duke it out tomorrow, but I highly doubt anyone but Scorpius would be lynched in that hypothetical scenario

Bring it on tho.

I'm more down for Mala today though simply because she's playing so ridiculously anti town and has been all game

[zakk]

If both of them flip town I'm gonna vote myself and drive my own wagon, lol

[zakk]

So you prefer Scorpius today?

Or hunt more? Or what?

I say we lynch one, then the other if the game isn't over.

#followme

P.S. scum must be REALLY cheeky to not kill 2 days running, if your hypothesis is correct

[zakk]

sigh. axlegreaser... just, sigh

[zakk]

Okay, this will be the best post of the game. Guaranteed.

Here's how I see things.

N1: Mala would have to have either jailed scum, or jailed who scum tried to kill. assuming scum tried to kill you, that's fair, seeing as you more or less led the lynch on Nosferatu/Maxwell. also, it strains rational thought to believe scum would begin a no-kill gambit on N1 in a normal. even though they lost their encryptor (which I doubt is their only power role, seeing as we appear to have a JK, a rolecop, and a backup rolecop).

N2: Mala said she jailed BBT, who heavily suspected scorpious. she also pre-hinted that BBT would be jailed. i think it's likely that scorpious could have not caught that (as I didn't either). it is really likely Scorpious would have targeted BBT, as BBT was one of the largest proponents of his lynch. And as the last scum player alive after Shiro was lynched D2, he had to play survivalistically. Which he's been doing again, today, voting Mala (only way she'll die, because he can't kill her if she blocks him again, and it's a good bet she will/would if we don't/didn't lynch one of them) or voting me (the only other remote possibility, given Mala's "freaken hate" for me, and given AxleGreaser's pigheadedness (sorry, lol). So everything is consistent with Scorpious being scum and making all the choices he needs to, to survive.

N3: Mala said she jailed Scorpious. There was no kill. This is entirely consistent with Scorpious being scum and just not catching the "you're next BBT" soft by Mala. Scorpious as scum would probably try to kill Mala as a claimed JK. And by probably, I mean definitely.

So really, all signs point to Scorpious. As ridiculous as Mala is being, especially since she's supposed to KNOW she's a JK and there should be no doubt in her mind of other shenaniganery going down... again, it really strains the mind to think that scum got blocked on D1, and then was SO confident that they thought they could hang Mala out to dry, as well as everyone she blocked. I would think scum would keep trying to kill. I know I would. Again, just because it's POSSIBLE does not mean it is PROBABLE.

I assume Scorpious tried as a last ditch effort to kill Mala last night, and got blocked.

So really, we've been handed the game on a silver platter. And a lot of it's just blind luck on Mala's part. Haha

VOTE: Scorpious -- I'm final. This is the only vote I'll do today.

Nothing else makes sense.

[zakk]

Everybody sheep, let's win, blah blah blah

[zakk]

Mama is lying.

jailing me last night would have been pointless,it prevented nothing. Unless I'm just an idiot. Jailing a VT does not prevent NK's..

also lol at this post

what more of a scum claim do you want...

[zakk]

axle

stop making colors and vote scum

egads, man

[zakk]

unofficial vote count

(3) Scorpious — pistachi0n, Metal Sonic, zakk
(2) Malakittens — shaddowez, Scorpious
(2) zakk — Malakittens, AxleGreaser
(0) ika —
(0) Metal Sonic —
(0) shaddowez —
(0) AxleGreaser —
(0) notscience —
(0) pistachi0n —
(0) singersigner —

(2) (NOT VOTING) — ika, notscience

[zakk]

tl;dr of 1425:

D1:

singersigner led a Nosferatu/Maxwell lynch

N1:

scum tried to kill singer, Mala jailed singer

D2:

after much hemming and hawing, shiro was lynched

N2:

scum-Scorpious tried to kill BBT who suspected him, Mala jailed BBT

D3:

we lynched BBT, much to Scorpious' cackly evil froggie delight

N3:

scum-Scorpious tried to kill Mala, who was JK, but Mala jailed Scorpious

supertl;dr:

...lynch Scorpious and we win, homies

[zakk]

I'm lynching nobody but Scorpius

If he flips town, THEN AND ONLY THEN will I reconsider

[zakk]

Lol I'm fine being lynched as long as town doesn't herp derp all the way to 3p MyLo and then lose

[zakk]

As long as singer sheeps me, I'm fine with sheeping singer

[zakk]

Zakk are you a specific backup

Idk what you mean by specific

I'm a backup role cop and I get powers when the rolecop dies

[zakk]

I support the massclaim thing

I am a town backup role cop.

-my role PM specifically states in my colored role name that I am town
-my role PM specifically states in my colored role name that I am a backup role cop
-my role PM specifically states in my role description that I get become a role cop if "a" role cop dies – it doesn't say "the" role cop, and doesn't specify the alignment of that role cop. not sure if this is a big deal. maybe, maybe not

- I targeted nobody Night 1
- I targeted nobody Night 2
- I targeted nobody Night 3

I am functionally a VT.

[zakk]

i always get the heebie jeebies when someone volunteers to make tables and uses lots of fancy code to try to prove their worth in a mafia game

i want mala dead if we don't lynch scum today.

[zakk]

btw. we're doing popcorn, i popcorn to

metal sonic

full claim pls

[zakk]

Obv, and scum like to look useful

[zakk]

There's no way we have a town JK, RCop, BRcop, and a regular cop. Either the JK or the BRcop is lying/scum. Also, unless NS or Scorp is godfather, they're both conftown.

Are you claiming cop...?

^^^^^^^^^
This

[zakk]

i do not want to massclaim today.

you're the one who I want to claim the most.

[zakk]

i agree that you should probably claim last though.

[zakk]

if someone who MS rolecopped is lying, MS will know immediately

if MS is lying, we have plenty of wiggle room to lynch him after

MS claiming doesn't necessarily clear him as town, however, as a scum role cop, he'd really have no reason to wait, so wanting to wait feels town.

if MS is scum but not a rolecop (and there's a town rolecop who hasn't spoken up yet) then the town rolecop would

probably want to say something right now

so we don't end up lynching the wrong dude (unlikely)

if i'm a backup rolecop and there IS no full rolecop in this game... that's explicitly normal...

Modifiers which are explicitly Normal for any alignment include: ..., Backup (with or without primary role present), ..., ...

... but still a jerk move by the mod. lol

[zakk]

Okay well

I'm gonna lurk until a wagon magically forms

[zakk]

VOTE: zakk

seems legit






choo choo

[zakk]

VOTE: zakk

seems legit






choo choo

[zakk]

Interesting.

So with all we know now, there are a lot of "possibly scum" options.

Here is my recommendation:

If we reach the end of claims and Metal Sonic claims and is a rolecop, we simply have him rolecop anyone you copped that we suspect might be a godfather (Scorpius). Checking the wiki shows that godfathers will appear as godfathers to rolecops in normal games.

After we know results we cross reference them all, and do Process of Elimination.

Whoever is left, gets thrown in a pool. We agree who's the scummiest, and lynch them. My claim is partially corroborated by us having a crapload of power roles to role cop. My claim is also partially corroborated by metal Sonic's claim. It doesn't make sense to have a town backup rolecop get powers from lynching a scum full rolecop unless scum would possibly get something enabled from a town flip as well. Having a JK, Ascetic Cop, Rolecop, and Backup Rolecop is really powerful for town, and scum don't have a roleblocker unless it's Scorpius and the JK resolves first or cancels out. Therefore, the only thing that would make sense for scum to even CLOSE to match town's power, would be Encryptor AND godfather. And Scorpius' VT claim is entirely in line with that.

Personally I think Scorpius is a godfather, and I was right in this post:

Okay, this will be the best post of the game. Guaranteed.

Here's how I see things.

N1: Mala would have to have either jailed scum, or jailed who scum tried to kill. assuming scum tried to kill you, that's fair, seeing as you more or less led the lynch on Nosferatu/Maxwell. also, it strains rational thought to believe scum would begin a no-kill gambit on N1 in a normal. even though they lost their encryptor (which I doubt is their only power role, seeing as we appear to have a JK, a rolecop, and a backup rolecop).

N2: Mala said she jailed BBT, who heavily suspected scorpious. she also pre-hinted that BBT would be jailed. i think it's likely that scorpious could have not caught that (as I didn't either). it is really likely Scorpious would have targeted BBT, as BBT was one of the largest proponents of his lynch. And as the last scum player alive after Shiro was lynched D2, he had to play survivalistically. Which he's been doing again, today, voting Mala (only way she'll die, because he can't kill her if she blocks him again, and it's a good bet she will/would if we don't/didn't lynch one of them) or voting me (the only other remote possibility, given Mala's "freaken hate" for me, and given AxleGreaser's pigheadedness (sorry, lol). So everything is consistent with Scorpious being scum and making all the choices he needs to, to survive.

N3: Mala said she jailed Scorpious. There was no kill. This is entirely consistent with Scorpious being scum and just not catching the "you're next BBT" soft by Mala. Scorpious as scum would probably try to kill Mala as a claimed JK. And by probably, I mean definitely.

So really, all signs point to Scorpious. As ridiculous as Mala is being, especially since she's supposed to KNOW she's a JK and there should be no doubt in her mind of other shenaniganery going down... again, it really strains the mind to think that scum got blocked on D1, and then was SO confident that they thought they could hang Mala out to dry, as well as everyone she blocked. I would think scum would keep trying to kill. I know I would. Again, just because it's POSSIBLE does not mean it is PROBABLE.

I assume Scorpious tried as a last ditch effort to kill Mala last night, and got blocked.

So really, we've been handed the game on a silver platter. And a lot of it's just blind luck on Mala's part. Haha

VOTE: Scorpious -- I'm final. This is the only vote I'll do today.

Nothing else makes sense.

[zakk]

Ooh I forgot to finish my plan.

If we lynch someone other than Scorpius and they're town, then metal sonic and malakittens don't claim who they are targetting, and target EITHER Scorpius, or someone else who shaddowez has cleared as ascetic cop. Functionally, this leaves Scorpius as hypothetical scum with two choices: try to kill mala when she's not targeting him, or try to kill metal sonic for fear he'll role cop him as godfather if Mala isn't also jailing him. This is double effective because as soon as sonic dies, if scum Scorpius ever guesses right, we still have me as a backup.

If we lynch Scorpius, and he's town, the game progresses as normal and the last scum tries their best to kill off all the power roles before they get PoEd into oblivion.

If we lynch Scorpius and he's scum, game over, we win, yay.

[zakk]

I say we lynch Scorpious today.

[zakk]

Actually, wait.

We can (!) just no lynch, and keep jailing Scorpious, and just keep copping and rolecopping as we see fit. Even if metal sonic or mala or IS scum, they will HAVE to clear Scorpious' name at some point in order to kill EVER again.

And scum CAN'T win if we keep gaining info without kills. Because hypothetically, once we decide to lynch Scorpius after a long string of no-kills and cop and rolecop results, if he's town, we'll know who scum is almost immediately.

So lynching Scorpious is almost a waste at this point, at least until we have a role cop result of godfather on him.

Downsides to this plan are: if Scorpius is town, and scum decides to stop no killing, we lose one of our three known power roles anyway, which would have happened anyway if we lynched Scorpious and mala jailed wrong.

So in essence we have a chance to information overload ourselves, scum has to clear Scorpious in order to win with this plan, so we may as well not lynch him, and scum also has to kill Mala to win, which helps us get rid of a scummy albeit useful slot.

We literally can't lose (unless we fall apart and start doing random things, and let scum take advantage of developing the chaos beyond our control to regulate).

So, UNVOTE: and let's figure out what the BEST plan is for EVERY situation

[zakk]

Still think Scorp is v likely to be scum

I agree with signer somewhat but I like my plan better

[zakk]

My plan says lynching you before we know a lot more would be dumb

And I'm a firm believer in my plan, hence I proposed it

[zakk]

*Active lurks more*

[zakk]

Hey mod could we get a prod on Frogger, he's been gone 4 days

[zakk]

Because he's trying to catch someone lying obv

[zakk]

Frogger, why did you put an ascetic, a backup without a full role, and an even night without an odd? You cheeky devil you

[zakk]

@frogger: P.s. would a backup rolecop role show as having a gun to a gunsmith?

Also, is everything okay in your personal life?

[zakk]

If you kill me you'll move on and be like "welp"

I'm kinda just waiting for something to happen. I know only one person is lying and with the power we have, it seems scum is pretty much up against the world when it comes to winning.

No matter what happens I think we get a win. I'm not opposed to spilling innocent blood in order to get there. We are so far ahead we've got lives to spare.

Mala should jail Scorp, and we should keep on scumhunting.

I'm gonna reread and ISO shiro and Maxwell to see what I can see in terms of interactions. You guys should too.

[zakk]

At this point there's as good a chance of it being somebody we're not even looking at as it being zakk or Scorp. I'm thinking no lynch would be the best option with another check tonight, and hope scum decides to no kill again (or Mala jails scum).

Worst case scenario is we're one townie down and have a clear from Mala if nothing else.

this

[zakk]

w/e it's no biggie

BBT got what was coming to him anyway

[zakk]

One does not simply lurk until they are jailed and no kill happens and then suddenly be active and have strong opinions

That's just lulzy

[zakk]

Then why didn't you try harder

[zakk]

Dammit Shiro. Stop making me like you.. You're scum lol

Interesting exchange

[zakk]

VOTE: shadowwez

Wooooooooo blind faith.

Same.

VOTE: shaddowez

#yolo

[zakk]

hahahahahahahahahahaha

if you're the last scum i'm gonna die laughing at that feeble attempt at a "case"

and yes, it's omgus

[zakk]

eh

UNVOTE:

i'm not particularly inclined to lynch anyone

i

am

pretty bored with this game though

i would replace out if i didn't think we were on the verge of victory, and i also don't want to be a quitter when i think the game is well in hand

i just want something to happen

preferably soon

let's just go to night phase with no plans, and let the chips fall where they may

Mala can jail whoever she wants
everyone else can do whatever they want

and i can sit there and PM frogger "yes, i'd like the night to end early" because i literally have nothing else to do but wait for flips

and speaking of flips, let's make some happen, preferably those that aren't me

Malakittens
ika
Metal Sonic
shaddowez
AxleGreaser
Scorpious
notscience
zakk
VeeGee
singersigner

minus me, minus obvtown axle, minus obvtown singer, minus Mala cause jailkeeper claim

ika
Metal Sonic
shaddowez
Scorpious
notscience
pistachion (VeeGee)

minus metal sonic and shaddowez because of power role claims and info

ika
Scorpious
notscience
pistachion (VeeGee)

minus scorpious because wild card

ika
notscience
pistachion (VeeGee)

that's my preferred lynch list

ika, notscience, and pistachion (VeeGee)

which is the most palatable to you all?

i think pistachion

VOTE: pistachion

[zakk]

actually, no

UNVOTE:

i'm not down for pistachion

that's crazy talk.

[zakk]

Because I'm bored and not paying attention lol

[zakk]

It'd probably be a good idea to lynch me

[zakk]

godfather

[zakk]

Prodge

[zakk]

yeah i'm ready for it to be over but i don't want to take any responsibility to get it there. lol

[zakk]

I wish I could tell you guys who to lynch when I'm dead but I honestly just want both mala and Scorpius dead just in case. And notscience for good measure.

If I'm the first in a long line of scorched earth, that's cool. I'm totally fine with that. As long as you get the bastard eventually

Btw axle, please start doing better after I die

Mala, sorry for being a jerk, honestly. That's just how I read people. It's nothing personal.

Fun game y'all. I'm not gonna self hammer cause that's awkward and rude as town. But I am not gonna fight this lynch because I know town needs info and some is better than none! And I'm kinda done playing this game anyway

Pls do not not win, town. <3

[zakk]

Lol at both the people I wanna lynch (Scorpious and Mala) being on my wagon though

You'll see



You'll all see



lol

[zakk]

Because I'm town and they have their doubts

[zakk]

beep

[zakk]

gg

ribbit

beep

[zakk]

I'm totally in for Frog Mafia 2!

Also, was there ever a scum thread released? I'd like to have it .... for science