Mini 1699 - #swag wars: THE empire strikes back (swaggedout)

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#swag

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VT

Fferylt pls

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Why not?

I read like a page back and saw that she was one of the people not claimed

Pretty sure 1 of Tammy, Fferylt, Nacho is scum.

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Tammy, who should I vote?
Who are you top 2 scum reads/town reads?

Fferyllt, read on Nacho?

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Why not?

I read like a page back and saw that she was one of the people not claimed

Pretty sure 1 of Tammy, Fferylt, Nacho is scum.

Tammy, who should I vote?
Who are you top 2 scum reads/town reads?

Fferyllt, read on Nacho?

In one post you say one of Tammy, Nacho, me is scum and in the next post you ask Tammy who you should vote.

Should tell you who I think is scum within that group!

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So, Implosion claimed vigilante?

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Yes? I haven't read the thread yet but saw that there is some spec

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Is Implosion claiming his kill went through and someone else was protected?

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Only read up to page 20, but I think I know where my heart lies.

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Uh I am not scum RC

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You should not lynch me until I have read everything and blow this game open

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Because I know I have at least one controversial opinion

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This game is information dense

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Pieguy
Nacho
Fferyllt

In that order, tell me what you think of Notscience?

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Is this going to be your controversial stance, oversoul?

Nope! I'm formulating the scum team in my mind though

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Pieguy
Nacho
Fferyllt

In that order, tell me what you think of Notscience?

Why is pieguy scum?

Those are not my scum reads. Requests for people to tell me their opinion on Notsci. I want you to wait to give your opinion until after Nacho.

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Pieguy

I just said I'm practically 100% sure he's scum. :p

Why?

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Well fuck... Read up to a certain point and that throws a wrench into things.

Spoiler: the scums

Pretty sure {Wickedestjr, RedCoyote, Tammy, Nachomamma8, fferyllt, notscience, implosion, pieguyn} contains all the scum

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Well, I'm pretty sure I'm not a death miller... hold on.

Just a town miller, so I'll probably flip as town.

I don't know if a death miller is even a normal role.

What the fuck is this

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Is this game a fucking joke

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Well

Everything I thought just went to shit

Time to salvage the bits of my brain scattered around the room

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I have about 10 pages left to be current. I'll post my thoughts then

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Ok, just had dinner but about to go out the door

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Empire, how would a rolecop work when investigating a goon, a VT, and a tracker?

Tammy said something about the Rolecop that makes me think it is not how she perceives it to work. I only ask this because Ether is a reviewer and recently made a big stink about Vanilla Cop and stuff. Anyway...

So, at the very beginning of replacing in I was like "hmm weird af that the little cluster of Fferyllt, Nacho, and Tammy is still alive". That is why I initially said that group has at least 1 scum. I still stand behind that comment.

Reading through the thread, I think fferyllt is solidly town. I don't remember playing a game with fferyllt as a solo slot, but I think her play is town regardless. Fferyllt if you're scum at the end of this, I am going to be sadface.

I think Tammy is probably? town. I am little upset that I do not think she is more town in my mind. I think her play around the proposed flashwagon and notscience stuff means she is town.
I think Pie and Notsci coming into this day wanting to 1v1 is indicative that one of them is scum.

Ok. Anyway...

Yeah, when people were claiming. Hold on horrible music is playing right now. Ok. Yeah, when people were claiming VT I was super confused why this was happening so early but it makes sense seeing as everyone important claimed yesterday. When I saw talk that implosion claimed vig I had already read like 10 pages of the game and up to that point Implosion was my strongest scum read. Like super rage boner

hard

. Hm. wrong game. But yeah, implosion's opening posts I absolutely HATED. I thought to myself, unless he has a BALLER claim/crumb he is 100% going to be my lynch today. He was the controversial opinion that I eluded too earlier. When I got to his claim, his VIG claim, it was pretty baller. Reminds me of my own types of claims. Placed at the tail end of the day, when putting Anen at L-1 at a time he thought Anen could be lynched. That all seems town motivated. However, holy fuck the coincidences of EVERYONE targetting Gnomeo night 1 is really, really, really

not likely

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His choice of shot on Gnomeo is super sketch. Like Pie pointed out, Gnomeo was not in a "viggable" spot on his reads list and the reasoning that he "went" with town's opinion is utter shit. SCUM ARE APART OF THE PEOPLE IN THE TOWN. HELLOOOOOO. The only reason you ever do that is if there are two wagons that have been competing all day and you need both flips to progress through the game. Gnomeo was not that type of kill. So yeah, the claim itself looks legit but the play surrounding the claim looks so unlegit. Like god. I wish I was the vig. So sad. Anyway, implosion AGAIN choosing not to shoot is sketch as fuck. And if he *doesn't* shoot tonight he is 100% the lynch tomorrow. Even if scum have an RB, and it SURE as hell better not be a more than 2 shot RB or the reviewers sux, implosion should be confirmed tomorrow. Tammy should take a 50% on choosing one of RC/Implosion I think. HOWEVER, I think implosion should choose to shoot RC. BUT fuck. One of the main reasons I want to shoot RC is because of his claim.

When I saw RC's claim that was like when my mind started to implode and leak out my nostrils and ears and tear ducts. It was bad. Oh my god bad. Miller is a claim that scum can preemptively play like... And RC in my mind is like the complete opposite of Implosion. Whereas with Implosion I HATED his play throughout the day, I thought RC's play was not that bad during the day. Whereas with Implosion I loved the claim, I hated RC's claim. I think both of those dropped the ball somewhat with how to play the role effectively. RC playing dumb about a death miller is also sketch too.

ANYWAY Ya. THEN TAMMY CLAIMS ROLECOP AND I'M LIKE WTF WHY WOULD SHE DO THAT AT THAT MOMENT. And that was when I was like wtf spamming the thread.
But she had a town explosion of emotion so I think she is probably town. I hope she is town. I've never actually played AGAINST Tammy scum that I can remember? Maybe one of those Stack the Deck games on an alt of mine? I can't remember. Can't be asked to find it.

But yeah...

Prior to getting mind fucked I was like "lol this game is so easy, scum team is Nacho, Implosion 1 of {RC, Notsci, Pieguyn}. Before I got mindfucked I was heavily leaning on Pie scum. DOn't know how she plays but I thought Notsci was being pretty town during the early days. But yeah. Nacho has been a scum read of mine since around the time of growing lynch boner for implosion. He was a pretty early scum read of mine. I think Nacho also makes sense with Notsci scum. Nacho should have caught notsci scum by now like he did in that other game we just had. Forgetting the name, Nightingale. Yes. I expected BoP on Nacho to give us a determinant read on Notsci.

WICKED
Man I thought he was town throughout the entire day but since Claimgate 2k15 I honestly have no idea. I could talk myself to seeing him as scum. He doesn't seem to have as much of presence today as he did earlier which is indicative of his place in the game. But damn. My gut says he is town.

So yeah. Some super sketchy stuff going on and I don't have much time to elaborate so I just SoC this all over the place.

Reads (town to scum)
fferyllt
Tammy
Pie
Wicked
Implosion
Red Coyote
Notsci
Nacho

Also, loljk. I am

Not a VT

Tammy is going to target me tonight to confirm what role I actually am.
Nacho wagon is justice though and really surprised that Fferyllt and Tammy have not been probing him more given his not good play thus far. Notsci in the 1v1 with Pie is also probably my vote given the weird accusation about Tammy not setup speccing when I definitely remembered her spec'ing in We the Purple and earlier in this game and I have a bad memory.

VOTE: Nacho

So yeah...

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Ideal actions tonight are

implosion shooting RC
Tammy investigates me

We get 3 conftown tomorrow morning, 2 more likely

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I read that wall twice now and it looked terrible both times.

I try mybest

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Am I really going have to explain that shit again?

We're sorting me/pie first.
Ok
Suck it up and vote one of us.

Wait how the fuck were you townreading me on early days

You were asking questions that I was also thinking when reading

die suck VOTE: notsci die

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VOTE: Notsci

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Again, lolwut? Why do you get to choose who I shoot?

because you clearly don't know who to target

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Just so you know, oversoul

You are contractually obligated to lynch pie tomorrow after I flip town.

I'll play chicken scumbut

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Yeah I'm back. Car had no gas and pay doesn't drop til like 1 am tonight so no excursions tonight

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Again, lolwut? Why do you get to choose who I shoot?

because you clearly don't know who to target

Do enlighten me on why i, the one who is the vig and literally calls the shots, should trust you in particular over me

I don't know, why haven't you done that at all prior to this post?

You can't play like you have been playing where you were taking into account town's wishes and then now all of the sudden that someone is actually directing you decide to grow a spine. You are either a sponge or a vertebrae. You do not get to jump forward billions of years on the evolution table or jump around on the phylum table.

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Also, my intent right now (which, of course, is open to change if people make *good* arguments) is to hold my remaining shot for the eventuality that we lynch a scum doctor or roleblocker so that we have the option of no-lynching and shooting.

Although until your claim of not-a-vt i was pretty much assuming that i was going to be off the table permanently for setup reasons so that I wouldn't have to worry about that

huh?

Tammy has given pretty good indication (maybe it was fferyllt) of what a typical scum group in an Empire game is going to be. Hint: not very powerful, if any at all.

I remember someone saying the last 2 empire games featured 3 goons and then 3 goons with daytalk. IF the scum has a roleblocker is going to be limited shot, possibly only 1 shot. More likely they have some form of information role.

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dude

YOU ARE A SCUMREAD OF MINE

how is it spineless to not follow one of my scumreads when they ask me to shoot in a particular way

Implosion

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Good mods should strive to have good games, regardless of any perceived meta which I think Empire strives to do.

But Implosion

You can't make posts like this

I was debating between him, layla, notscience and pie, for the most part. I honestly don't remember why I didn't go for pie. I think I went through like 4-5 instances of opening pie's iso, flitting through it, and just feeling meh. It was probably mostly because it seemed like he was getting townreads from others. ns I didn't want to shoot because ffery said she'd be able to read ns better as time went on i think. It eventually came down to layla and gnomeo, and I picked gnomeo because I was hoping layla was going to start posting more since her early posting felt town. I also think I thought gnomeo was more widely suspected. I didn't really trust my own reads so I wanted to shoot someone who was widely suspected; I didn't really see any good choices, but I wanted to kill someone.

Who do you think would have been a better shot? Was I just reading the overall trends of who was being suspected poorly? I was mostly shooting based on what I perceived to be the town's general reads, not my own.

Also: I'm 2-shot (I didn't say this initially because maybe a week ago I had a random idea that I could pretend to be 1-shot if there was a late massclaim, and then save an extra shot for drawing after 3p lylo or something like that, which is a horrible reason yes, but alas). If you do think I'm a serial killer I'm not going to have any freedom to do as I want.

With regards to the "listening to the town is a bad strat as vig"; there are pros and cons. What you listed (it can be scum influenced) is in fact a con. But there are pros. If the vig doesn't trust their reads then it has the benefit of eliminating someone who was likely going to be lynched if not for the vig shot, so in a sense it turns into an additional lynch.

And turn around and say "I'm not taking your advice/direction into consideration"
By sacrificing your OWN opinions to follow the town's opinions, you are inherently letting the scum control the vig shot. WHICH IS BAD. So even if you DO scum read me/my slot, you ALREADY have taken scum advice for the vig shot.

pedit:
My pr isn't super strong, but I can see how it fits into the setup, even if 1 of the other claimed PRs is scum.
I'm not claiming. Tammy is confirming my role.

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There is a difference between "listening to the town's opinions" and "listening to oversoul's opinions" that you don't seem to see
you also seem to be ignoring any other points i make
so.

Thoughts on the fact that a dead tammy can't confirm your role?

At any rate, I've just obvtown'd this slot

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You were dead basically by the time I came into SV
Did forget Mafia of the Raptured though!

Tammy was about the Rolecop and I was wrong, that clears some things up though

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Also LOL at "RC's claim was so bad, like really bad!!! btw... I claim not VT". FYI, Oversoul, that's exactly what I did.

I know.

That's why I claimed it in the way I did!

But you can believe that me not town reading you is "convenient". Reading 80 pages is pretty darn convenient

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he should be picking up on the same thing I am re: notsci's play.

Exactly. Once Notsci flips scum, Nacho quickly following him to the grave

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Also, if I was faking a miller, how did I know to do it BEFORE Tammy claimed? Another good question!

You didn't know. You just planned to do it as some scum plan to fakeclaim miller. If it was an all goon team I probably would too.

But yeah, a smart man named Rune once told me in another Mini Normal that claims like that mean absolutely nothing. All it proves is that you planned to play a way that is consistent in some ways with the role you claim. Does not mean it is town indicative or scum indicative, just that you planned to play that way from the beginning.

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ffrey and implosion need to get on Oversoul. Tammy needs to get on Oversoul when she gets back so we can end this charade. Goodness, Oversoul should've went after Tammy so pie could've called him town, too.

If you do manage to convince those people that I am scum (hint: you won't, at least Tammy), what will you do when I flip town? I would hope in that scenario you quickly follow me to the grave via an Implosion shot.

pedit:

Like wow, Red Coyote, you have a major

boner

for me. Confirmation bias all over the place

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I hate being town. Jesus, who likes this? Why do I even play this game?

i got this and my other town pm for the two games that i joined (the other now being completed) and i was super pumped
whoo boy was past me silly
i guess i am kind of enjoying this but fuck.

I don't know how you aren't enjoying this seeing as you hold someone's life in your hands. That sounds exhilarating.

By everyone, RC, I also meant scum. It was another reason why I thought Implosion was scum. No way that scum targetted Gnomeo. I think Layla protected someone.

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I hate being town. Jesus, who likes this? Why do I even play this game?

i got this and my other town pm for the two games that i joined (the other now being completed) and i was super pumped
whoo boy was past me silly
i guess i am kind of enjoying this but fuck.

I don't know how you aren't enjoying this seeing as you hold someone's life in your hands. That sounds exhilarating.

By everyone, RC, I also meant scum. It was another reason why I thought Implosion was scum. No way that scum targetted Gnomeo. I think Layla protected someone.

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That is the power you hold, implosion

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You are correct. We the Purple was first time being scum in like a year.

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Nah dood
Tammy just got a brain

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Nacho trying to save Notsci his buddy
Right on time

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I had an epiphany last night. I don't think RC is scum anymore.

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Yes. It is all poppycock.

I said what I said because you are trying to deviate from the Notsci lynch by getting me lynched. You know you have to do something magnificent now because fferylt no longer trusts you.

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I should start compiling quotes of everyone who says "a person wouldn't actually think that" about my posts. Happens often.

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Pretty sure you have the same amount of votes as me!

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Nacho is for later anyway, ffery. Vote Notsci.

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It's worse writing than a soap opera that Nacho comes in here and attacks me while calling Notsci town.
To quote Avril Lavinge, could it be anymore obvious?

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You guys are really bad at this. Would not be surprised to see all the scum on my wagon if I am wrong about Notsci.

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Nope.
Pretty sure the scum team just blew it's load. I don't think Tammy/Fferyllt are going to hammer me. Same with Pie. Unless Notsci wants to scum claim by hammering me, you guys are stuck.

Bye, Felicia!

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This is entirely a scum team power play trying to get me to claim.

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I will claim once Tammy has checked in.

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How long you think you'll be Tammy?

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You're trying to manipulate fferylt into hammering me, aren't you RC?
Hm ok. I am going to be gone for a couple of hours tonight. I'll try to coordinate while Tammy is on

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This is getting spicy.

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It's not really that absurd to interpret what you said as you wanting her to lynch me. Especially after you were CALLING FOR MY LYNCH ALL DAY. Not more votes, not a "stand", but my LYNCH.

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Why? I could understand this if you had issue with one player's arguments in particular. But it's not clear that you do, so this assumption doesn't make much sense to me. I'm still actually town reading both of them.

It seems like a powerplay. I don't think a townsperson, knowing that tomorrow is likely MyLo would willingly go into a 1v1 to try and get a single scum. The scum get two free nightkills essentially. More if on the odd chance that scum has a bookie (which is what was floating around my mind about Implosion).

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In any event, as Wicked/Nacho have been saying, Oversoul can't buy a town post. The poor guy is trying every trick in the book. That slot is not salvageable. Whichever person between pie/notscience is the first to get with the program will be interesting to see.

My pettiness after the L-1 vote mainly came from this post.

Who the hell says this.

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Meh. I won't be on when Tammy is here, but she was 100% right about my intentions with my claim.

I am a VT. Was trying to act vague and boisterous to draw the nightkill.

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(also my theory was that oversoul was going to claim to be a second miller, in which case i probably would have unvoted to think about it)

yep
a vt who wanted to draw out the rolecop on them because a rolecop on a vt totally gives us useful information
makes sense.

Then fucking shoot me. I'm a bad lynch objectively.

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I'll answer things. But tonight. Very busy.

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Something from me tonight

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Why is it weak, Wicked?

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Sorry guys! Been really busy last week. Moving + some friends came into town.

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Friends are still in town, but leaving tonight. Hopefully something tonight

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Nacho really claim backup Rolecop? Da fuq

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I don't have anything to contribute at this time. It's clear that neither Oversoul nor Nacho will happen until Tammy gets back. Oversoul is in full blown hiding under the desk mode here.

No. I just have more important things going on in my life right now other than mafia.

Such a magical explanation!

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I honestly have no idea where I left off. But I will say this since it was the last thing I thought about when I had time to think about this game:

I think implosion is town. Unless he is some Fate, Katsuki, Kuribo, DGB hybrid level of cheekiness, a vig claim as scum is suicidal. I *can* see a few options for a scum member to claim vig, but I do not think implosion would do it on Day 2, especially with how shittily he did. His claim was rubbish. I think implosion would have more tact as scum to put something decent together. A Bookie is the only way implosion-scum can reliably claim vig or else he has to explain every night why a kill is missing. Additionally, implosion has been doing townie things since I have joined the game. This all leads me to believe that implosion is likely town.

Looking at the composition of my wagon, it is quite simply absurd. There HAS to be scum on my wagon. In no world do THREE of our FIVE supposed power roles all vote the same person and ALL share the same alignment. Given that, I am now almost exclusively looking at Nacho and RedCoyote. Cue the RedCoyote "but he town read me!"

I have work to do tonight, but I should be on for a little bit and I promise I will at least read the game to get caught up. Not promising content tonight. Maybe I should just be realistic with how lazy I'm feeling on a particular day.

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I just returned to school today, so I'll probably become less active soon too, but I'm still prioritizing mafia over other hobbies.

Good for you!

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You've mentioned a few times about you getting mindfucked blowing all your bits around. Can you explain what exactly that mindfuckery was and what exactly it did to your reads?

I thought I explained this already in my stream of consciousness post. Going into the game I thought that implosion was super obvscum and then he claimed vig which flipped my read on him completely. I think any other claim and I would still advocate for his lynch, but not vig.

RedCoyote was somewhat similar with his claim and how it completely.
It was pretty much all of the claims were making me second guess ALL of my opinions about everyone.

You say that before the mindfuck you were heavily leaning scum on Pie, and you had notscience as somewhat town, but when Notscience tells you that we were sorting out him/pie today, you immediately vote notscience and have been acting like it's a certainty that notscience is scum. What did that mindfuckery do to affect those reads? What did Pie do to turn her into such a high town read?

1v1s are inherently scumsided. Unless the town can guarantee that the 1v1 takes out the BEST scum player on the scumteam or the MOST powerful role, it is always going to be inherently scumsided. Why? Because in most cases, the town will be lynched first since there are 3 (at least in this case) votes that are most likely going to go against the townsperson in that I case. Additionally, Notscience was okay with dying if we lynched Pie the next day, yet that is one of the most detrimental things to do for the game if Notscience is town. For 2 night kills and 1 town lynch (from Notscience's point of view), we get 1 scum and put ourselves right back into LyLo. That is not good for the game at all.

If your strongest scum read was nacho, why did you vote notscience when notscie pressured you into voting that way?

Path of least resistance. Or at least what I thought was the path of least resistance. Plus, a Notscience scum flip is more damning to Nacho than a Nacho scumflip I think.

Can you explain your read on Implosion a bit more?

Answered without realizing I answered this

It kinda bugs me that Oversoul is letting the lurking tell slide by. Yes, he somewhat lurked in WtP II, but iirc he was actually v/la for a good portion of the beginning of the game at least. He doesn't suck at scum, and from what I remember he's not a huge lurker as scum. He does not like playing scum, but he's more than capable as scum and was nominated for the scum scummy a couple years back.

I'd just feel a whole lot better if he'd corrected that assumption that he has a lurker scum tell when quite frankly he's rather absent at times as town too and has been very involved as scum. (At least from my memory and I'm hopefully going to sleep soon, so I won't have time to check today but I should tomorrow just to make sure I'm remembering correctly.)

That was when I gave a shit about mafia. Or rather, my reputation in mafia. After I was serial lynched last year around this time, I literally could not give two shits about the outcome of games anymore. :shrug: Bad attitude to have for a game I used to enjoy so much. Maybe an indication that I should just permanently stop playing.

If there is one word to describe my scumplay, it would have to be lurker. As unfortunate as that is. That is why I did not feel the need to correct them. Maybe if I still had my big ego.
I don't know why you want to hold my play from 2 years ago to my play now, when I do not think I am emotionally or mentally the same person.

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I just don't like the fact that you are capitulating to her. I don't have a good world view of how you play, as either alignment, but I thought it was more annoying/in your face about your scum suspects.

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Tammy/Nacho roles also cannot both be town, in my opinion. Balance doesn't seem to support that conclusion.

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balance actually really says Nacho is scum for that claim. Rewards scum for correctly killing a town member.

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I thought to myself, unless he has a BALLER claim/crumb he is 100% going to be my lynch today. He was the controversial opinion that I eluded too earlier. When I got to his claim, his VIG claim, it was pretty baller. Reminds me of my own types of claims. Placed at the tail end of the day, when putting Anen at L-1 at a time he thought Anen could be lynched. That all seems town motivated.

I don't understand this. You're talking about when Implosion claimed but you're sticking it in day one. I'm confused.

Huh?
His crumb was from Day 1, that is referencing the last sentence. My opinion/wanting him to be the lynch unless he has a baller claim was real time talk on this day. When I read through I saw his baller claim.

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Oversoul - Did you write Post 2136 after you had caught up completely at that point or was it something you were writing as you were reading along and forming opinions?

Completely

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I actually hate everything about 2557.

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VOTE: Nacho

I am convinced given Nacho's push on me that he has to be scum. He *wants* me to be scum. RC is the same exact way.

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Over soul - you said it was unlikely that both power roles targeted gnomes night one? Why not? And if you believe that, why aren't you pushing either of us?

Someone else got this confused too. I'm not saying the the two power roles explicitly were unlikely to target Gnomeo. I said it was unlikely that EVERYONE would target Gnomeo since I rember implosion and someone else saying "oh Mafia also shot Gnomeo".

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I stand by my opinion that at least one of the power roles is fake claiming. The balance with all five is wonky.

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Fferyllt when did you find out AJ was Mastin?

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Huh?
His crumb was from Day 1, that is referencing the last sentence. My opinion/wanting him to be the lynch unless he has a baller claim was real time talk on this day. When I read through I saw his baller claim.

oh this makes sense

Wait... so you misunderstood when, chronologically, I said I changed my mind about Implosion?

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Like what is your #1 scumteam and why?
Wicked, same to you.

Don't have time to explain, but I'm going with {Nacho, Notsci, RedCoyote}

Unfortunately, Nacho/Tammy are binary as are Notsci/Pie I think. I could be completely wrong in that case which would suck.

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This isn't even getting into interactions with Jailkeeper (and I don't know if SKs are even allowed to have strongmans or not), so, if implosion gets a shot off, he is 100% confirmed town of the no asking questions and no going back variety.

Not true as I expressed the possibility of a Bookie. Less likely, but still possible and would "look" like a vig.

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My current working theory is that Oversoul's initial intention was to have Tammy investigate him overnight so that she wouldn't worry about his alignment during the day and then kill her overnight, but the real reason why this particular exchange is a concern instead of an "oh oversoul!" moment is that it seems like he's overcompensating with his interactions with Tammy.

Was actually to see if Tammy was telling truth about her role

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Rolecop + Backup role cop looks really ugly on paper with a jailkeeper and two goons + 1 mafia PR.

Rolecop does make sense given the miller so my 3 are probably wrong anyway given RC's presence

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I read you via your emotion Tammy. I felt like your emotional claim was not warranted/it felt fake. That was mainly why I wanted you to target me. At any rate I felt that you were going to die so your investigation that night was going to be undisclosed. :/

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Also the Vig is because I believe the Vig but it doesn't make sense with the Rolecop either. It confirms itself. There has to be a Rolecop or else why would Nacho exist, in all cases except you scum and Nacho scum (which I doubt very much).
Rolecop has to be weakened by something at least. Finding multiple Mafia seems strong with a Vig too so two goons to blend in with the townies.

[Oversoul]

What Notsci recent stuff?
Anyway, Tammy is trying to talk herself into a vote on me which is tantamount to a scum claim from her at this point since I've dropped a plethora of Oversoul town tells that she would be able to see given all the games we have shared. Christ. Anyone familiar with my play AT ALL would see the Vt/Not Vt thing as me basically being confirmed town.

"But Oversoul you can manipulate". Shut the hell up and use Occam's Razor. That type of self manipulation is never with overt things and if it is, then only cheeky players do that.
I've said my piece. I think Nacho is scum desperate for my mislynch. I don't think this is 2-1 split with an SK. Those should never really be used in Minis, let alone a Mini Normal. Empire would take a card out of Faraday's deck I think and say that third parties are generally not good if they have to kill everything to win.

I'm about to be super busy with work and school until Monday but this is probably the last time I can substantially post.

[Oversoul]

At any rate, Implosion should shoot I think. But I am ballsy like that.

[Oversoul]

I read you via your emotion Tammy. I felt like your emotional claim was not warranted/it felt fake. That was mainly why I wanted you to target me. At any rate I felt that you were going to die so your investigation that night was going to be undisclosed. :/

So wait, was I scum fake claiming who needed to target you to prove I was lying because I wouldn't be able to confirm your role

or

Was I town you wanted me to target you and it wouldn't matter because I would die anyway???

Both. If you were town you wouldnt be able to reveal anyway and if you were scum you would have to gamble. If Nacho is town this is entirely the play he should have done, but you know he's scum.

[Oversoul]

At that point, really no downside to me attracting you to target me

[Oversoul]

All I can say is how crazy would it be if all scum were already on both wagons and Nacho and I both happen to be town

Pedit: I mean you guys said things but it went in 1 ear out the other. Didn't really influence me/pique interest at sll

[Oversoul]

You spent the majority of this day saying I am town. What changed? How does your scum team change when I flip town?

[Oversoul]

Why Wicked?

[Oversoul]

Hammer me don't really care anymore! : ]

VOTE: Oversoul

GG town. You're gonna need all the luck you can get!

[Oversoul]

10-2-1 spec is really dumb and really wrong by the way

[Oversoul]

F u

[Oversoul]

This will forever be a blemish on your read record Tammy

[Oversoul]

#swag

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Why anyone bought Nacho's claim is beyond me!
Would have left that day with 2 confirmed town + a free Vig shot if we just woulda lynched Nacho

[Oversoul]

Not hammering yourself while we were trying to figure out the game and narrow things down would have helped! > >

Something something spite

Not my greatest moment