Mini 1699 - #swag wars: THE empire strikes back (swaggedout)

[Oversoul]

Just so you know, oversoul

You are contractually obligated to lynch pie tomorrow after I flip town.

I'll play chicken scumbut

[Oversoul]

Yeah I'm back. Car had no gas and pay doesn't drop til like 1 am tonight so no excursions tonight

[implosion]

With regards to the "listening to the town is a bad strat as vig"; there are pros and cons. What you listed (it can be scum influenced) is in fact a con. But there are pros. If the vig doesn't trust their reads then it has the benefit of eliminating someone who was likely going to be lynched if not for the vig shot, so in a sense it turns into an additional lynch.

[implosion]

Again, lolwut? Why do you get to choose who I shoot?

because you clearly don't know who to target

Do enlighten me on why i, the one who is the vig and literally calls the shots, should trust you in particular over me

[implosion]

like if anything

me listening to you would be exactly what you were telling you not to do

why by your logic should I let you dictate my shot when you could be scum aligned? Especially when your slot is in my scumpile.

[implosion]

Also, my intent right now (which, of course, is open to change if people make *good* arguments) is to hold my remaining shot for the eventuality that we lynch a scum doctor or roleblocker so that we have the option of no-lynching and shooting.

Although until your claim of not-a-vt i was pretty much assuming that i was going to be off the table permanently for setup reasons so that I wouldn't have to worry about that

[notscience]

Can those people who think i'm town please vote pie?

[Oversoul]

Again, lolwut? Why do you get to choose who I shoot?

because you clearly don't know who to target

Do enlighten me on why i, the one who is the vig and literally calls the shots, should trust you in particular over me

I don't know, why haven't you done that at all prior to this post?

You can't play like you have been playing where you were taking into account town's wishes and then now all of the sudden that someone is actually directing you decide to grow a spine. You are either a sponge or a vertebrae. You do not get to jump forward billions of years on the evolution table or jump around on the phylum table.

[Empire]

DAY 3, VOTECOUNT 6

Oversoul (2)

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RedCoyote, Nachomamma8

notscience (2)

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pieguyn, Oversoul

pieguyn (1)

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notscience

Nachomamma8 (1)

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Wickedestjr

Not Voting (3)

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Tammy, fferyllt, implosion

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch! Deadline is on August 29th at 9:40 AM EST or in (expired on 2015-08-29 09:39:56).

Mod Notes - N/A

Empire, how would a rolecop work when investigating a goon, a VT, and a tracker?

In this situation, the rolecop would work exactly as it does in the wiki here.

[implosion]

dude

YOU ARE A SCUMREAD OF MINE

how is it spineless to not follow one of my scumreads when they ask me to shoot in a particular way

[Oversoul]

Also, my intent right now (which, of course, is open to change if people make *good* arguments) is to hold my remaining shot for the eventuality that we lynch a scum doctor or roleblocker so that we have the option of no-lynching and shooting.

Although until your claim of not-a-vt i was pretty much assuming that i was going to be off the table permanently for setup reasons so that I wouldn't have to worry about that

huh?

Tammy has given pretty good indication (maybe it was fferyllt) of what a typical scum group in an Empire game is going to be. Hint: not very powerful, if any at all.

I remember someone saying the last 2 empire games featured 3 goons and then 3 goons with daytalk. IF the scum has a roleblocker is going to be limited shot, possibly only 1 shot. More likely they have some form of information role.

[Oversoul]

dude

YOU ARE A SCUMREAD OF MINE

how is it spineless to not follow one of my scumreads when they ask me to shoot in a particular way

Implosion

[implosion]

Also, my intent right now (which, of course, is open to change if people make *good* arguments) is to hold my remaining shot for the eventuality that we lynch a scum doctor or roleblocker so that we have the option of no-lynching and shooting.

Although until your claim of not-a-vt i was pretty much assuming that i was going to be off the table permanently for setup reasons so that I wouldn't have to worry about that

huh?

Tammy has given pretty good indication (maybe it was fferyllt) of what a typical scum group in an Empire game is going to be. Hint: not very powerful, if any at all.

I remember someone saying the last 2 empire games featured 3 goons and then 3 goons with daytalk. IF the scum has a roleblocker is going to be limited shot, possibly only 1 shot. More likely they have some form of information role.

good mods will strive to not have a consistent meta

[implosion]

plus if you actually are a power role then I'm forced to believe that there are four because there's no way I'm giving up tammy-town.

Claim.

[implosion]

(that is, if you were to flip. unless you have a damn good pr claim there's a good chance i'm just going to think you're bsing)

[Oversoul]

Good mods should strive to have good games, regardless of any perceived meta which I think Empire strives to do.

But Implosion

You can't make posts like this

I was debating between him, layla, notscience and pie, for the most part. I honestly don't remember why I didn't go for pie. I think I went through like 4-5 instances of opening pie's iso, flitting through it, and just feeling meh. It was probably mostly because it seemed like he was getting townreads from others. ns I didn't want to shoot because ffery said she'd be able to read ns better as time went on i think. It eventually came down to layla and gnomeo, and I picked gnomeo because I was hoping layla was going to start posting more since her early posting felt town. I also think I thought gnomeo was more widely suspected. I didn't really trust my own reads so I wanted to shoot someone who was widely suspected; I didn't really see any good choices, but I wanted to kill someone.

Who do you think would have been a better shot? Was I just reading the overall trends of who was being suspected poorly? I was mostly shooting based on what I perceived to be the town's general reads, not my own.

Also: I'm 2-shot (I didn't say this initially because maybe a week ago I had a random idea that I could pretend to be 1-shot if there was a late massclaim, and then save an extra shot for drawing after 3p lylo or something like that, which is a horrible reason yes, but alas). If you do think I'm a serial killer I'm not going to have any freedom to do as I want.

With regards to the "listening to the town is a bad strat as vig"; there are pros and cons. What you listed (it can be scum influenced) is in fact a con. But there are pros. If the vig doesn't trust their reads then it has the benefit of eliminating someone who was likely going to be lynched if not for the vig shot, so in a sense it turns into an additional lynch.

And turn around and say "I'm not taking your advice/direction into consideration"
By sacrificing your OWN opinions to follow the town's opinions, you are inherently letting the scum control the vig shot. WHICH IS BAD. So even if you DO scum read me/my slot, you ALREADY have taken scum advice for the vig shot.

pedit:
My pr isn't super strong, but I can see how it fits into the setup, even if 1 of the other claimed PRs is scum.
I'm not claiming. Tammy is confirming my role.

[implosion]

There is a difference between "listening to the town's opinions" and "listening to oversoul's opinions" that you don't seem to see
you also seem to be ignoring any other points i make
so.

Thoughts on the fact that a dead tammy can't confirm your role?

[Oversoul]

There is a difference between "listening to the town's opinions" and "listening to oversoul's opinions" that you don't seem to see
you also seem to be ignoring any other points i make
so.

Thoughts on the fact that a dead tammy can't confirm your role?

At any rate, I've just obvtown'd this slot

[fferyllt]

I don't remember playing a game with fferyllt as a solo slot,

Mafia of the Raptured and Signs and Void, though as I said during that game it was essentially a sangres game.

My head hurts.

[notscience]

I really wish oversoul would claim something concrete, but yeah

I've thought his posting looks town which is unnerving.

[Oversoul]

You were dead basically by the time I came into SV
Did forget Mafia of the Raptured though!

Tammy was about the Rolecop and I was wrong, that clears some things up though

[RedCoyote]

Oversoul isn't townreading me = he knows he won't be able to convince me he's town regardless. How convenient.

Also LOL at "RC's claim was so bad, like really bad!!! btw... I claim

not VT

". FYI, Oversoul, that's exactly what I did.

[Oversoul]

Also LOL at "RC's claim was so bad, like really bad!!! btw... I claim not VT". FYI, Oversoul, that's exactly what I did.

I know.

That's why I claimed it in the way I did!

But you can believe that me not town reading you is "convenient". Reading 80 pages is pretty darn convenient

[pieguyn]

I think notsci and Nacho are probably both scum. at the very least, Nacho needs to get the fuck in here and actually answer my question bc he should know I'm town here and he should be picking up on the same thing I am re: notsci's play.

[RedCoyote]

Here's one for you to answer, pretty boy. If I was scum fakeclaiming miller, why not do it when I crumbed instead of waiting??? Hmmm... didn't think about that one, did you?