Mini 1733: Jurassic Monkey - game over

[Davsto]

Lol i knew syndnious was innocent child before the game started because the mod sent me his role pm .

Nice, we've started with the mod errors early.
VOTE: MonkeyMan mutiny

[Davsto]

1) See my sig. Clocks going back tonight though. GMT, woot.
2) I'm experienced enough to not be a buffoon some of the time.
3) Changeable. Like, really changeable.

[Davsto]

Won't votes that I'm not confident in muddy the waters for VCA? It's not going to be reflective of my true perspective if it's a vote I was arbitrarily pressured into making for VCA, is it?

QFT

[Davsto]

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[Davsto]

oh i got it

[Davsto]

I believe he put the statement infinitely more eloquently than I could. It's easier to quote and say "this is true" than it is to basically restate the entire thing.

[Davsto]

I believe he put the statement infinitely more eloquently than I could. It's easier to quote and say "this is true" than it is to basically restate the entire thing.

Hi. Got anything to add?

Not really. It's page four. I often struggle to get much early on.

[Davsto]

I'll have a look in the morning, see if a fresh mindset makes a difference. Don't hold your breath.

[Davsto]

@farside - that colour is really hard to read on the dark scheme. Is there a way you could change it? Thanks.

[Davsto]

@Davsto: you've posted quite a few times, but have contributed next to nothing content wise. Gun to your head, you have to lynch someone RIGHT NOW. Who and why?

Firebringer because I don't have confident enough reads to lynch anyone, but I can't read Firebringer at all, so getting his alignment straight early on is useful.

That would literally only be if you forced me, though. I would rather just wait until the end of the day where I have more solid reads with more to go off. I can be quite slow early game, sometimes.

[Davsto]

How exactly is playing stressful?

Like when you're speedlynched despite obviously being town and you point out obvious scum with plenty of reasons but you're still not listened to

[Davsto]

Yeah, I know, I'm joking don't worry about it

[Davsto]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... to_Emotion

[Davsto]

Uck. I cause more problems than good in real life, why should it be any different anywhere else?

[Davsto]

We don't have that phrase in America, and over here being pissed means being extremely angry.

This is how I'm aware of it as a Brit
pissed = drunk
pissed off = angry
taking the piss = being unreasonable
taking the piss out of = mocking, making fun of

[Davsto]

Oh man, I'd love to hear an argument that I haven't heard a thousand times.

I'm often slow early game. You using that as an excuse to jump on my growing wagon does yourself no favours to the suspicions I already have, thanks.

[Davsto]

I cannot read Davsto and will be looking elsewhere.

Really?

Whoa. Whoa. He has suspicions! And a 4th excuse for no content.

So if you've had suspicions why have you not posted about them?

Because I don't have the effort right now. I have to have food in a bit; I'll come back after that and enlighten you.

[Davsto]

I cannot read Davsto and will be looking elsewhere.

Really?

Link a completed game where I have read you right
Like I thought you were scum in Temple Guards mafia when spectating
Not worth the time

You got me right in my first newbie, and I think you had me as town during the short period you were alive during Flower Viewing Festival.

[Davsto]

Welp, that was an easy RVS.

Firebringer calls me town and votes me in the same post.

Unvote, vote Firebringer

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Like, shit, this is the biggest misrepresentation I've ever seen.

Welp, that was an easy RVS.

Firebringer calls me town and votes me in the same post.

Unvote, vote Firebringer

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I did not call you town.

I said you were trying to appear like Stupid Town.
Please read the posts.

Or at least not discredit me.

This is a townie reply. Rather than "OMG UR SCUM" it's just "yeh, what you said was wrong, read the post or don't discredit me".

No, I read it correctly. I was hoping you'd unvote or attack me in another way in order to attempt to cement your vote but alas you're more likely town based on that response alone.

Unvote

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Garmr seemed excited that he knew who would be confirmed town. Maybe that excitement came from already having a solid N1 target?

Vote Garmr

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"oh no I did this scummy thing as a reaction test" - this is utter crap, are you saying that only scum jump onto someone who's clearly scummy? Like, I don't see the point of this. Also, this is a terrible vote, like what?

Not much to comment on specifically for the rest (plus I kinda skimmed), but my main two scumreads are Ice and Archmage.

VOTE: ICEninja[/v]

[Davsto]

VOTE: ICEninja

[Davsto]

VOTE: Archmage Ludicrous

For spending ages "being suspicious" of me but not actually voting me until a bandwagon has formed.

[Davsto]

Someone obviously doesn't know my playstyle.

[Davsto]

That's numberwang!

[Davsto]

Prodge. Gonna read through from my last post and catch up a little.

[Davsto]

Main things that stuck out:
Garmr is totally white knighting pistach.
Garmr tries to form a super scummy and horrible 2 player town bloc and sets up to weakly scumread anyone who dares disagree with it.

Don't forget that someone who isn't very good at down D1 probably isn't exceptionally talented at playing as scum D1 either.

Surely, then, me playing bad D1 is entirely a null tell?

[Davsto]

Tbh I don't care if you like it or not if I have a town read that's strong and they town read me as well and we are probably both town as well (atleast I know I'm town and 99% sure ds is). Who's going to try the most there effort to tear it down. The answers simple scum.

You literally said here that anyone who puts a lot of effort into getting rid of this town bloc is scum.

It's pretty fucked up people are trying to tear it down when a town block is just two people town reading each other.

We're trying to argue against it because townblocs are horribly anti-town. It's horribly buddying to the extent that town can often blindly follow scum around because "hey we're in a townbloc".

I think the main question here should be why the hell we need a townbloc in the first place.
Garmr tried to make a bloc with Fire, who is far from conftown, that early on, for reason (?)
Scum want to be in a townbloc, and will try and force a townbloc with scum in it.

The answer is simple because I wanted to. The main question should be why are you trying to tear it down. Do you have a real reason to scum read me?

And you wonder why I think you weakly scumread everyone who questions it?

Also wouldn't scum suggesting a town block get a back lash.

Also that's kinda pathetic davy my main scum read is from when I argued ice and that's 3 dice nothing to even do with the town bloc. Sounds like you like trying to make up reasons to scum read me. David tries to tear down the town block in a horrible and scummy way.

"I'm not scumreading people just for arguing against the townbloc, but Davsto's really scummy for arguing against the townbloc."

So you just are pretty much misrepping everything here.

You use that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Everything I've stated is based in fact.

Also no vote davy?

Considering you're clearly scumreading me from your last post, I could ask the same question to you.

My answer

I forgot >.<

i forget to place votes sometimes shh don't judge me

VOTE: Garmr

[Davsto]

Someone obviously doesn't know my playstyle.

Can you enlighten us please?

I know my opinions,but I'd like to get it from the horse's mouth since you brought it up.

I'm slow D1. I can often struggle early on. It's less notable in the games I've finished, though, sadly (I know this sounds like a cop-out but it's honestly true). I don't get much done until I catch on to something I really don't like. For example, see how I have now come to the obvious realisation that Garmr is scum.

I usually dislike self-metaing, but I'm so damn sick of people scumreading me for not doing much early D1.

[Davsto]

I also literally point out were you are wrong and you ignore it.

Using it as a quick excuse to weakly scumread someone (what I correctly accused you of, what you borderline admitted to doing in that one post, what you did to Mario in that other post) is not the same as continuously scumreading someone based on something. The fact that you use the fact that you didn't do the latter as some sort of way to "disprove" that you did the latter is fallacious.

[Davsto]

No

People, feel free to scumread me D1.

But when their only thing is "hmm he hasn't done much yet" on D1 when people with experience with me in games are likely to corroborate that, it's a fucking pain in the ass.

Take ika, who quickhammers when someone's at L-1. Always. As any alignment. It's like scumreading him for doing that.

Admittedly, some games I get going quicker. But as school starts up again, this has been happening less often recently, and people need to get used to that.

Besides, it's a moot point now. I have now find my first large scumread to kick off the game for me. Also, your pathetic "wah wah look at me I'm parodying another player instead of making an actual post" post is noted and thrown in the trash.

PEdit
A) Using something (people arguing against your weak-ass townbloc) as an excuse to weakly scumread people
B) Not scumreading everyone who does it
C) Scumreading other people for other things

These three things aren't mutually exclusive. Stop acting like proving that B or C happened stops A from being something you did.

[Davsto]

What? Explain that in a phrasing that makes sense so I can actually answer it, thanks.

[Davsto]

Punctuation is your friend.

[Davsto]

Like, I'm now getting the feeling that you're panicking and replying to my logical points with incomprehensible and insane logic in the hope that just someone buys it.

[Davsto]

I still honestly have no idea what you're asking. It's a large word salad and I would rather you or someone else made it more clear so that I could answer it accurately.

[Davsto]

There isn't much surprise that his 3rd vote goes on Garmr who, surprise surprise, is pressuring Davsto.

Garmr didn't start pressuring me until after I voted him (or at least after the post where I was going to vote him but forgot lol).

[Davsto]

1) Yes, it was a coincidence that it happened after you started putting pressure on me. That's when I did the readthrough and borderline did a double-take when I saw that post.
2) Archmage, sure, go ahead.
3) I've already proved that I started scumreading Garmr before he started pressuring me.

If you're accusing me of OMGUS, let me bring up that OMGUS is voting someone literally because they're voting you, yet people use it as an excuse to scumread people who just happen to vote someone who's voting them, whatever the reason.

[Davsto]

I am willing to lynch Davsto.
His responses to pressure have been scummy.

VOTE: Davsto

Explain?

[Davsto]

You claim to have placed the vote before reading my pressure on you

I did not say this.

[Davsto]

Yes, it was a coincidence that it happened after you started putting pressure on me. That's when I did the readthrough and borderline did a double-take when I saw that post.

I misread the double take part.

So how many times did you read my post on page 1 before you "realized" it was scummy?

As the game went through the first 10 pages or so, I skimread it for various reasons and barely paid attention. Then I read through and went "wait seriously what"

[Davsto]

VOTE: Davsto

Explain?

You only respond when people poke you.
You are not actively hunting.
You are acting like ScumDavsto.[/quote]
I'm sorry you feel this way.

[Davsto]

This lynch on me is bad and you should feel bad. ICE is the only one who I can think of that has decent reasoning, the rest of you are just banding on the easiest wagon. Shame on you.

[Davsto]

ilu

[Davsto]

Someone sounds a tad survivalistic, don't you think?

VT. Go on. Do it before you get some suspicion for it, Scorpius.

[Davsto]

This lynch on me is bad and you should feel bad. ICE is the only one who I can think of that has decent reasoning, the rest of you are just banding on the easiest wagon. Shame on you.

No. Your super inconsistent votes, pis poor reasoning and general lack of anything helpful is what has everyone on your wagon. Stop trying to AtE.

Funny how he doesn't give reasons until pressured to do so.

[Davsto]

This lynch on me is bad and you should feel bad. ICE is the only one who I can think of that has decent reasoning, the rest of you are just banding on the easiest wagon. Shame on you.

No. Your super inconsistent votes, pis poor reasoning and general lack of anything helpful is what has everyone on your wagon. Stop trying to AtE.

Funny how he doesn't give reasons until pressured to do so.

I gave reasoning for your wagon a long time ago.

Quotes or it didn't happen.

[Davsto]

Firebringer. His posting style is oddly similar to scum Fire.

[Davsto]

Way to generalise.

[Davsto]

Dammit, Mario, I was going to point out the hypocrisy!

[Davsto]

So yeah I proved you wrong and was waiting to see how you responded before deciding whether to vote you or not.

VOTE: dave

I mean should I even argue as to how crap this vote is?

"I pointed out Davsto was wrong" (he didn't)
"was waiting to see how you responded before voting" are you shitting me

[Davsto]

Like, fuckit, go after Garmr tomorrow. One of Garmr or Firebringer. Or both!

[Davsto]

Wow, great counterpoint there.

[Davsto]

But I didn't do that

Didn't you listen to the literal existing fucking Innocent Child

[Davsto]

mentally handicapped

Also please don't use this casually as an insult kthnx

[Davsto]

Boy was this a lot of fun.

I'm probably rehashing points already addressed but this helps me engage.

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Garmr

(may be easier to just iso yourself)
401: Did he say you were scumreading anyone? No. He said you were setting up to do so. Which I agree with. There's also some echoed wording here, mmm. What makes his attack on your townbloc bad/scummy/worse than others? ...Why are you townreading pistachi0n, again? This post is...really quite strongly defensive, I guess, which might actually be townie.
406: The existence of an exception doesn't mean he's wrong. Which Davsto promptly pointed out.
410: >___> Also, some people do look naturally scummier at certain points in the game. (Do you disagree?)
411: Please listen carefully. Just because you aren't scumreading someone doing behavior X doesn't mean that you are not scumreading someone else doing behavior X and wrongfully.
415: The thing is, they clearly don't perceive it as neutral.
417: No, the point is that you are weakly scumreading people for opposing your townbloc.
421: Let me try to explain.

Some person: Townbloc is kind of scummy. [Implicit opposition to the townbloc.]
You: Painting a townbloc as scummy is scummy. [Implicit scumread for opposing the townbloc.]

431: That's not his point! -__-

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Alchemist

420: Undecided on alignments but personality clash is clearly a factor.

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Archmage

423: Why?

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Ice

429: If someone always looks objectively scummy in X situation, then are they really subjectively scummy?

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All Alone

How do you feel about Garmr? The Garmr/Davsto argument?

@Ice
I wish I could articulate this better, but if Davsto's baseline level of scumminess is always high then you have to recalibrate your reads, right?

479 (immediately above this): I mean, you didn't use the term IIoA in the part Scorpious quoted/agreed with, so it's plausible, but still a bit...weird.

@Garmr
447:
1. I think you use the word misrep too liberally. Also I disagree on the misrepping (ish?) but I'll move on because it's pointless.
2. Fair.
4. It doesn't matter what you believe,

it matters what they believe

. Being theory-wrong isn't alignment indicative (unless it's lying about being theory-wrong in which case I...).
5. Disclaimer: translations of Davsto do not necessarily reflect my own opinion.

If someone genuinely finds your townbloc scummy on principle (and most, to my recollection, have been reasoned more than that) then I don't think you can really scumread them for that. (Can you?)

448: Meta that is not firsthand, at least for me, is difficult to give much credence to.

@Archmage
451: That seems like...really...weak meta.


I could maybe? get on board a Davsto lynch? but I can't remember why I was thinking that? >__>

[Davsto]

w/e

[Davsto]

mentally handicapped

Also please don't use this casually as an insult kthnx

Also can you acknowledge this please, I know it's not game related but ya know.

[Davsto]

Thank you, it means a lot to me.

Now I can die in peace.

[Davsto]

Get it prepared and written now so I can actually appreciate it.

[Davsto]

aw, sweet

Anyway, I'm off to sleep now. You guys get going lynching scum!

[Davsto]

And my scum meta of winning when I'm lynched D1 continues...

[Davsto]

Oh yeh, scum PT can be released.