Mini 1741: Day 3

[Garmr]

VOTE: RC

this guy is surely following me...

VOTE: Frozen angel
Because the only type of angel that is made of ice is with a cold heart.

[Garmr]

Hello. Hi. Hey. I'm Zulfy.

VOTE: The Lhix

Oh here's me thinking you were anyone but Zulfy.

[Garmr]

It's called an introduction, Fenrir. Everyone's so eager to RVS that we all forget the formalities.

[Garmr]

rc wanna be my mason partner.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Frozen Angel I like this better, but explaining why is hard. Frozen's language feels like she's keeping herself at arm's length from her reasoning. RC's vote 'can simply be considered a spam vote' -> Sure, you can consider it, but is it?
Says Zulfy's vote on RC is scummy, doesn't vote Zulfy (and is voting with Zulfy).
idk. Bad gut vibes!

I agree with part of this reasoning her not switching her vote to zulfy makes it feel suss my vote has become serious. Her definition of spam posting is wrong through through is just rvs so I wouldn't pursue this line of reasoning and instead focus on the odd thing.

So basically the question is why is ice keeping her vote on a rvs vote instead of a scummy post?

[Garmr]

hey hey since when staying on RVS vote when we didn't even reach the 4th page is that such a big deal?!!!

UNVOTE: RC

this is just ...

I'm not confident enough to vote zolfy yet. keyser and RC knows my way of scum haunting ... My real scum hunting begun when a real wagon is going on ...

Just noticed you are a newer player. Can I ask why don't you feel confident. I mean you had a scum read on zulfy before and listed a reasoning but now you saying it's not enough to vote him and backed off rc pretty fast. It feels like you are trying to be perceived as town by doing what you think the group would like more (barbecue you were being questioned about the rc vote) instead of actually trying to hunt as town.

The problem also isn't you having a 4th page it's you having a vote on a rvs despite having a scum read who's voting the same person as a rvs vote.

So what's your reasoning for not voting zulfy or another scum read you might have?

[Garmr]

RC's vote can simply be considered as a spam vote. But I can't read zulfy's vote ... its slightly scum leaning ...

I'm not having a scum read on zulfy! just a bad gut feeling about his voting style...

and yet no other scum reads ...

give me more time please!

[Garmr]

But on a serious note how can you have no read yet be scum leaning at the same time?

[Garmr]

Well this is intreasting

[Garmr]

I'm so confused who's heart?

[Garmr]

I'm a bit iffy with keyser at the moment since he did just beat me in a game he we just finished as mafia. I am pretty curious to the reaction to his wagon when he comes back. I honestly don't know what to think of Lhix so I am going to sideline that for now and get back to that latter. But after isoing keyser it came to my attention that he hasn't actually been showing active scum hunting. I don't like how in 71 he answer for frozen angel either I was putting that out there so she can answer it. I would expect town keyser to come back in post 170 and be trying to hunt but he continues trying to brush it off.

[Garmr]

By the way, I won't be making a roleclaim unless the mod confirms the rule regarding claiming scum with another player.

looking at the game and site rules, there is no such rule. Unless it is disguised as something else but a search for the word "scum" or "claim" yielded no results

Hope you don't mind stealing this quote from you.

By the way, I won't be making a roleclaim unless the mod confirms the rule regarding claiming scum with another player.

This is suss as fuck. It makes me feel like you are practically confirming that you are buddies. If your doing it to smear lynx or if lynx is really your buddy there's one for sure your scum.

VOTE: keyser

[Garmr]

^that's l-1 right

[Garmr]

Elyse literally has not managed to make one post that hasn't triggered my scumdar.

VOTE: Elyse

Sorry to say this rc but I can see where Elyse is coming from and I'm of similar mind at the moment. I don't agree with Elyse's Vc through but I can see how someone could gett there.

[Garmr]

What the fuck do you even mean Garmr?

This isn't about what she said it's about how she said it's about the fact that she's discussing that and in that fashion.

Being a hypocrite doesn't make one scum

[Garmr]

OH MY GOD DUDE WHAT ARE YOU SAYING

What are you saying break it down in short readable English

[Garmr]

Like, I never fully fleshed out the thought.

You decided to jump to conclusions of what my reason for the vote was and hard defend her for it.

You don't even know why the fuck I was scumreading her and you just decided to invent your own reason and refute it.

That's not the response you're supposed to give me but I want to ask why respond like that when it's obvious we have a misunderstanding. Wtf dude

[Garmr]

Why are you so resolved to defend Elyse?

You didn't hear my reasons and you were already dead set on defending her.

I thought you were attacking her reasoni g which was similar to mine I don't get why you didn't try to clear the misunderstanding first instead of what ever the fuck that was

[Garmr]

Lay down the reasoning then before you conveniently forgot. And no me and Elyse aren't masons


Also your the one flipping shit throwing accusations. Wtf is wrong with you.

[Garmr]

I'm a bit iffy with keyser at the moment since he did just beat me in a game he we just finished as mafia.

Why should that be a reason to scum-read me in

this

game? It is a logical fallacy Garmr, and you should know this.

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That was just a bit located before the reasoning I added on to as well.

[Garmr]

UNVOTE: keyser

[Garmr]

To lazy to post my thoughts right now just now.

[Garmr]

Well basically after isoing zulfy then reading which made me iso keyser again and I realized it wasn't as strong as I thought. The only point that still sticks is the lack of reads early in his game. It seems like he putting off putting out a solid scum read. This by itself isn't really that scummy. Also going to Sydney tomorrow so will be having fun there.

[Garmr]

Well basically after isoing zulfy then reading which made me iso keyser again and I realized it wasn't as strong as I thought. The only point that still sticks is the lack of reads early in his game. It seems like he putting off putting out a solid scum read. This by itself isn't really that scummy. Also going to Sydney tomorrow so will be having fun there.

Could you give more information as to how its a solid scum read?

I mean he has no solid reads displayed at the time of this post I will be vla.

[Garmr]

Will give this game actual time when I get back

[Garmr]

OK it's not my imagination Keyser still hasn't got a solid scum read even with out pressure on him he continues that way. His not looking for scum just to avoid being scum read.
VOTE: keyser

Keyser has a behavioral pattern as scum were he stops providing content when in certain situations and the content he provides is lack luster and doesn't provide any push.

[Garmr]

Post more tommorow spending this last day with my gf for a couple of months.

[Garmr]

At the airport don't have much motivation missing my gf/partner already

[Garmr]

Fires here motivation rising

[Garmr]

Town block 4 life

[Garmr]

Is it the same girl in the avatars of both Firebringer and RC? They're both wearing fake cat ears, have similar length hair and are carrying a teddy bear.

She Annie from league of legends her teddy bear turns into a giant bear with claws that's constantly on fire.

[Garmr]

Ok After looking at linx I looked through some of his games and in each one he was in he calls out that he is scum and I think he calls out a apparent scum buddy. I don't think his ban is tied down to one game in general.

[Garmr]

Ok After looking at linx I looked through some of his games and in each one he was in he calls out that he is scum and I think he calls out a apparent scum buddy. I don't think his ban is tied down to one game in general.

Was he scum in those games?

Can not say since I have no clue and I don't know you would have a better clue to that since one of them was your slot. He has practically destroyed at least 3 games if he only does it as scum through.

[Garmr]

Yeah, I'm honestly not really buying this whole double confirmed scum shenanigans, though I do think that the Keyser slot could easily be scum independently.

keysers behavior here mirror flavorless fun so i'm leaning that he is scum. I am unsure about linx through as the person is cancer and has done this over multiple games.

[Garmr]

Hi, Suzune!

(1) You were saying

"Listen, this game is really hard to read, either everyone tries to jump on the same person, or they talk about nothing for long periods of time."

AND mentioning Frozen/Firebringer and me... two players who had actually been doing something different. Wow-la!
(2) This

"Early game things I noticed was that the current train is built on something weird. I mean, sure do not get me wrong Kling is always scum, but the reason that this train took off is silly."

is whut?
(3) This

"Right now there are dueling trains, generally speaking when two trains are close in length one is usually scum."

is wrong.
(4)

"I do not understand Aneninen vote on that slot right now. It mean it almost seems like a safe place vote."

And I wish that wagon were growing.

By the way I think you're scum with Mathilda.

I am unsure about linx through as the person is cancer and has done this over multiple games.

Are you allowed to explain?

Oh, and my intuition feels something terrible. What if we're in a 9:2:2?

can't say ongoing games.

[Garmr]

wow just wow that's bs I just noticed something after exploring linxs ISO i'm replacing out even if it is a fucking lie it sets my slot up for a lynch in the future and I refuse to play in a situation were i get trolled like that so this is my fuck you to linx.

Sup

Kill me and the damn fairy dogs

No he's not. Just checked

Maybe not. But we can still perform a multiple on the fairy dog from the seventh level

I noticed he said fairy dogs and it hit me the fucker is trying to set up my slot for a mislynch. Originally I thought it was keyser alone then when I read the seventh level I realized he was talking about hell. Where my name garmr comes from the dog that guards hell from norse fairy tales.

The mod should of terminated this game but I guess the mod is inexperienced and didn't know what to do i'm out.

I'm a vanilla town as well btw I'm so pissed someone would do that.

[Garmr]

I might stay just got to calm down. I'm pretty angry someone would do this to me when I'm town I have a really bad town win rate and i been trying to improve I don't need this shit now.

[Garmr]

???? all these different languages and here's me barely able to type my own language.

[Garmr]

IP looks pretty towny.

No I don't. What is this read? In my first newbie game, RC called me town for no reason and he was scum.

Sorry for the low activity everyone, I'm V/LA until Sunday. I'll be following the thread but probably not posting much because posting from a phone is annoying.

Lol I like this post. Input can be town for now.

@whoever asked
VCA is vote count analysis

@RC
Garmr assumed you had an issue with my VCA post considering you expressed your scumread of me directly after it. You are overreacting.

I was going to do everyone but I am to lazy might as well just handle individuals a bit at a time so I don't burn myself out.


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[Garmr]

IP looks pretty towny.

No I don't. What is this read? In my first newbie game, RC called me town for no reason and he was scum.

Sorry for the low activity everyone, I'm V/LA until Sunday. I'll be following the thread but probably not posting much because posting from a phone is annoying.

Lol I like this post. Input can be town for now.

@whoever asked
VCA is vote count analysis

@RC
Garmr assumed you had an issue with my VCA post considering you expressed your scumread of me directly after it. You are overreacting.

I was going to do everyone but I am to lazy might as well just handle individuals a bit at a time so I don't burn myself out.


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when mafia scum cuts off your analysis you spent a hour working on.

[Garmr]

what's your read on me?

I think your a town lean tbh but you should be voting keyser instead. My analysis on him before was comparing this game to his scum game flavorless fun. Through his earlier game is different I'm finding similarities in the way he handles pressure as scum.

When he is not in a comfort zone he will not commit to a read and focus on defense. He stopped showing any signs of hunting this may be his reaction to try and cut down possible links with scum buddies when he feels he is caught. I don't know if linx would be considered his scum buddy because linx started playing serious after but the way keyser handle it makes me feel like he is scum neither the less. It was like he was going to get lynched for the wrong reasons. Look through all his post there is only him commenting on events around him and not genuine hunting. This here is the lynch today folks.

[Garmr]

Off the top of my head
elyse
rc
zulfy

I do how ever find these players scummy
keyser-obviously
scorpius
input

I did find frozen scummy but firebringer actually makes me feel better about this spot just because of my experiences with him in the past and this is how I expect fire to behave. This is all off the top of my head.

[Garmr]

Yeah, Garmr's posts are ridiculous.

pff not as ridiculous as the posts you made this game.

[Garmr]

Rc I don't understand you start flailing your arms about me then stop really suddenly. You have been acting really irrational this game.

[Garmr]

Look through all his post there is only him commenting on events around him and not genuine hunting. This here is the lynch today folks.

That's true. Have Klingonette affect your read on that slot in any direction?

Off the top of my head
elyse
rc
zulfy

I do how ever find these players scummy
keyser-obviously
scorpius
input

I did find frozen scummy but firebringer actually makes me feel better about this spot just because of my experiences with him in the past and this is how I expect fire to behave. This is all off the top of my head.

What does Zulfy do on the townlist?
What the dancing nymph does Input do on your scumlist? Frankly, I don't get those Input-scumreads at all.
Why do you think Firebringer has made that slot more town-ish?

Just noticed this but

zulfy

-Gut that's why he was low on this and the list was off the top of my head about how I feel about people.

Fire bringer

- Well the townblock thing is something I don't see scum firebringer doing because I did the same thing with fire in the past. His behavior mimmicks my town games with him and isn't really different at all. I feel like he planning to do the town block thing as town now to betray me latter in a future game so this is going to be a multiple game thing. Also I would like to point Also his attitude is cocky and I know this may sound mean but I don't expect a scum fire to have held up as long as he has. There's more reasons but they are ongoing game reasons through we are both dead in that game.

Input primary

- Well i don't know how rc can see this slot as town he must be fucking insane. That aside lets get onto the reasoning why IP is scum.

I've been travelling, not much time to post.

For now I'll just sheep the people who said Keyser's reaction to Lhix's insanity was weird.

VOTE: Keyser Söze

Ok this is reasonable.

but after this he doesn't try to push keyser look at what he does instead.

Zulfy, you just "Yep'ed" RC's reason for voting Keyser, the person whose lynch you were trying to derail. What?

tries to link zulfy and keyser togther.

Ok, I'm back from vacation. I've read the thread. I'm not going to do a big catch up post.

Right now I'm feeling Mathilda scum. I get bad vibes from her posts, they're overly defensive and don't seem genuine. This especially pinged me.

I started to then decided not to. I do understand why you and Aneninan say that. This is Day 1 so all we have to analyse is behaviour and tone. They're things to look out for but they don't build a case. I'm not interested in trying to appear town, I'm just interested in hunting out scum. If that means that I attract attention then I don't mind. It's ultimately all information for town.

Not caring how you appear to others is cool. Declaring how much you don't care how you appear to others, thus showing that you really do care, is scummy.

Post 416 is what really cinches it for me. There is no conviction behind it. There is little analysis, just statements of fact with some slight spin to make them appear scummy. It's exactly the kind of case scum would make against town. It's also the kind of case scum would make against scum. I'm still wary of RC and wouldn't want to clear him if Mathilda flips scum. I think their interaction could be bussing, neither is pushing particularly hard against the other.

VOTE: Mathilda

This pretty much comes out of no where he has shown no interest for this slot before. To me it looks like a excuse to jump off the keyser wagon.

Keyser essentailly claimed a role. Do we want to be lynching into that day 1? That's a real question, not rhetorical. I've never played a game with a closed set up before.

Finds a excuse to not lynch keyser but leaves it open for another day.

Keyser already soft claimed. What happens if we run Keyser up to L-1 and he claims for real? Will you want to lynch him anyway? If you're dead set on a team of Keyser/Lhix/Fire, why is Keyser the one you're going after first?

I am starting to feel like his trying his best to draw attention away from keyser. I mean look at it.

Ok, then let's move the wagon to Lhix, we have plenty of time. I'll start.

VOTE: TheLhix

How about Fire then? He's here.

VOTE: Firebringer

His trying to haggle with jake the state to keep keyser alive. With out laying down a town read on him all on the merit of he may of soft claimed a role.

Scorpious

-Probably because his flying under the radar. He hasn't been hunting or trying to hunt yet no one has even tried to read him. Other than that I got a really really bad feeling about this slot. Maybe if he got back into the game it might elevate or validate my paranoia on him a bit. Will admit this reasoning is weak Unlike the other 2 slots.

I'm actually having trouble sorting through the nulls. I been looking out the game into other games to try and sort this out but still it makes me tear my hair out.

[Garmr]

Will note that scorpious has been posting this amount elsewhere after further research.

[Garmr]

Jesus why do I always cry when a dog dies in a movie.

[Garmr]

I'll do a real quick explanation. So much has happened that it'll be really hard to catch up. So in order to get back into things I'm claiming vigilante and deciding that I'ma shoot Aneninen, purely gut-based. I guess I should look back at my pings and ISO him first, but for now that's how I'm feeling.

If anyone would like to appeal this execution please feel free to do so.

I'ma try to review what's been going on, I lost track after Keyser was replaced, but I have a hell of a headache right now and got errands to take care of.

Thank you and have a nice day.

For the record, Mathilda and Elyse seem pretty damn town, RC seems pretty damn weird.

Pedit: Garmr agrees. How was Australia Garmr?

I live in Australia just went interstate for my gf since she lives in sydney now.

[Garmr]

That night kill was so bad.

Maybe RC was onto someone?

It could be rc scum reads were Matilda,keyser/kling,Adenine,Elyse who I assume is Aneninen due to the nine bit.
Also I get the feeling rc was extremely confused on my alignment.

I feel like keyser/kling would be the best bet here to vote and what we should of done yesterday

VOTE: kling.

[Garmr]

Zulfy - Report results of your claimed NA please.

What can I say? Sometimes scum is smarter than you think.

Mathilda is now confirmed town. I am actually hider.

I can believe that would explain the fake vig claim.

[Garmr]

I don't know about Suzy being scum because after linx stopped trolling he started playing serious the slots really murky to me.

[Garmr]

Kinda

[Garmr]

Straight up scum Suzanne

[Garmr]

I don't mind either now Suzy's response to hider claim was dodgy as.

[Garmr]

Mathilda, there's a high chance you're the night kill tonight. Please give me all your possible thoughts on the game. I chose you for a reason.

without any explanation but only a little while earlier expresses doubt because Lhix played seriously after he gave up trolling #924. That's quite a change around.

Simple suzane trying to deny the hider so fiercely just rings scum. I can understand doubt but this is scum flat out trying to get people to doubt the claim. Sometimes one action can change ones views on someone drastically.

[Garmr]

Zulfy, on the other hand, is looking like the scummiest Scum that ever scummed.

VOTE: Zulfy

Would scum benefit from claiming day-vig? On the one hand they can distract any protective roles so they can increase the chance that the night kill succeeds. But the chance of a protective role choosing the same target on night 1 when no one has claimed is slim. Whereas the chance of someone claiming day-vig being investigated is quite high, so it's a high risk strategy with a low chance of reward.

And then at the beginning of the day Zulfy immediately admitted that he is a hider. So any investigative role that got a result on him the night before would know if he was lying.

Why would scum do this?

You're new, aren't you?

The only investigatives that would get a result would be Role Cop, Watcher, or Tracker. And they'd have to target him. (Well, the Watcher would have to target you.)

Investigatives are generally supposed to keep their results quiet until they have 2 guilties, until they're at L-1, or until they're CC'd. (The problem with this is that the investigators are often NK'd before they can spill the beans.)

So even if someone found him not doing what he said, odds are Town won't find out, and if they do he can lie and say it was some sort of gambit.

hider is different when a hider hides they can't be killed by scum unless they can figure out who the hiders next target is. So hiders are free to give results. Hiders can't be stopped by roleblockers or anything nothing trumps a hider in normal games. A hider also dies after they target scum so it's best if they give innocent results when they get them.

Also a hider has a lot to benefit from claiming a power role or soft claiming one it may make scum shoot towards them.

[Garmr]

This game should of been over when linx outed her scum buddies you can tell by keysers reaction that the modding was really poor I bet all his messages to the mod were ignored for some reason. Even if town were to miss some other clues to linxs other scum buddy which I assume were in there.(assuming linx is scum) Through it's not the mods fault that linx fucked over the game the mods poor handling did not help. l think a reshuffle into a open set up would of been better but yeh oh well. I can really emphasize with the scum this game at least it's a easy win for me a townie.

[Garmr]

Was going to suggest that hider could coast behind zoronus for rest of the game if he really is bullet proof but zoronous but i guess this was just a dream.

[Garmr]

VOTE: suzanne

[Garmr]

Vanilla

[Garmr]

That was bullshit i pretty much gave up. Also I wouldn't listen to N at all his one of the worst people to ask. Talk to jason about his experiences with N. This game was the worst mafia game I have played on the site so far.

[Garmr]

also that was horrible balancing with the mafia team you didn't give them a power role when town had a hider,bulletproof, and a watcher..

[Garmr]

Would of been nice for some acknowledgement of private messages like send a reply but instead you waited all till the end game to say anything. Suprised town didn't pick up on the fact I had mentioned private messages being sent to you a town member shouldn't know that and tbh I wouldn't care if they picked up on it. The way you handles things no pms to the scum team informing them whats happening with linx no response to pms poor job like even a sorry I can't take any action. You pretty much wasted my time.

[Garmr]

also that was horrible balancing with the mafia team you didn't give them a power role when town had a hider,bulletproof, and a watcher..

Exact same setup was run and Mafia won so I disagree that it wasn't balanced.

forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=32114

Just because a faction can win in a scenario doesn't mean it's balanced. That's like bringing a knife to a gun fight you can still kill the person with a knife but more than likely they will shoot you down first.

[Garmr]

why you kill me n1

WHY!?!?!?

Because we thought you were the strongest player in the game at that point. Take it as a compliment.

[Garmr]

I was really tempted to call for mod action in the thread with keyser so the game would end but I was worried i'd get banned for it I really wish I did so I didn't have to go through this game. Replacing out would of been mean to the person replacing in. Should of terminated the game.

[Garmr]

Yeh I was just talking to other mods about it they would of all called it. Also no one would of complained if it ended due to linx exposing all his teammates (town didn't pick up on the expose on me but i sure did) Even alerted that to the mod in the pm.

[Garmr]

If linx is ever allowed back I will remember this game.

[Garmr]

This shit has happened befoooooree.

Does this game being normal instead of open make a difference? Personally I don't think so. Some weird ass decisions from the mod but whatever. I won't hold it against you Yims.

Glad we won, glad that annoying little shit is gone, sad that I didn't get to hang out with Garmr more.

Oh well. See y'all next time. I'ma try to mod a game as soon as I meet the requirements and when that day comes I'd like all of you there.

Would play with you again.

[Garmr]

in the end I just shot out the hider list who I would of investigated if i was zulfy I learned I am not zulfy.

[Garmr]

Oh yeh forgot frozen angel got forced replaced. Frozen angel could of been let off...

[Garmr]

Gamr how could you be scum bro?
I thought we were friends.

#Disapointed.

You approached me who am I to pass on free invitation for fun.