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In post 45, NinoMasaki wrote:Who knows? I'm a newbie. I've hardly seen anyone's meta. I've seen one game you're in and you replaced in on the last day. Also, good to know you're annoyed when your losses are mentioned. Will keep that in mind.
I'm not saying that a wagon would go through. But it is still a bullet and a scummy one at that. I'm saying that you're planting the possibility of it in people's minds at the start of page 2. You can call me annoying. Mentioning a possible lynch at this point though is a red flag.
Scum would allow this wagon to go through, if it exists. Are you scum?
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In post 53, RadiantCowbells wrote:Nino claimed to be a newbie to me before the game.
Not confirming or denying whether she actually is but that's what she said and I'm somewhat inclined to believe her.
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In post 55, ShortcutButton wrote:<_<
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Innocent, if she's not fooling anybody then why are you not voting her?
Because I've seen her do that before as town, not alignment indicativeShowTown 21-21-1
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Relax it's a game...lots of people play with alts around here to hide their metaShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 61, I Am Innocent wrote:Implosion u seeing scum anywhere else? I think I've found one.
This wasn't in reference to BBT implosion.
Town points to RC and implosion tho they picked up on the right player tho.
unvote BBT
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In post 100, NinoMasaki wrote:I am not getting the kirroha wagon. /: Am I scum as well for expressing concern over her getting 2 votes? That seems to be the justification and it is feeble.
I am Innocent is suspicious for jumping on kirroha after that random vote without explanation on BBT earlier. Also I would rather not slacken the BBT wagon before BBT gets back. We need answers from him.
Sorry if I am just being slow, but I am really not seeing this. And I am kind of scumreading Innocent now. "Right player"? "Found scum"? You seem way too certain and you hardly posted any reasoning, only jumping aboard what other people have posted which are relatively unconvincing.
You too Innocent, and same question. Why jump from BBT to kirroha? I can't think of any reason for scum to express concern over a BBT lynch unless BBT is also scum. And if you think BBT is also scum, then you will keep voting BBT, because it is better to get the more aggressive scum lynched.
Kirroha dropped an early game scum tell. Before jumping on him I wanted to see if anyone else noticed it. Helps me get some town reads.
As for BBT, I'm not sure his alignment yet. Was hoping to get a read on his L-2 reaction, but the going off to bed now I can't figure out.
Inks entrance is very townie. Like him and RC a lot, implosion a step behind them.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Oh and regarding the last paragraph in the quote I just posted from niño...scum defend town too. You are aware of that right?ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 120, ShortcutButton wrote:Kirroha - why vote ink, and not Syndesis or implosion, while he provided supposed "misrepresentation of the facts", the others provided no reasoning at all? If you're town then that would be much more scummier.
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In post 119, NinoMasaki wrote:What early game scumtell? You have to explain it to me. I'm slow, sorry.
I am 90% sure now that kirroha is town from reading her posts. Will explain briefly if needed.
Innocent is looking more town now that he explained but I still need more clarity. A kirroha lynch right now does not benefit town.
And I still like a BBT wagon. VOTE: BBT
If kirroha is scum how does that not benefit town?
I don't disclose my early game town or scum tells sorry. Thought process being if I do, scum in future games will change their actions to avoid looking scummy/try to hit on the town tells.
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Actually this was a good one:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=525
Check out post 538. I disclose the same reasoning as well as successfully hit on élysé (and massive too) D1.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Kirroha is my focus right now but trust me I'm not ignoring anybody.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Most of my early game tells are suggesting ur town which is directly going against my gut.ShowTown 21-21-1
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I originally thought him and nino might be masons, but that wasn't his crumb. So now I'm more curious than ever why she is so sure he is townShowTown 21-21-1
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@mod I think you may have missed this unvote in your last vote count
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In post 247, ink wrote:I'm null on BBT, so if we nearly run out of time I'd vote him over kirroha. It doesn't have to be a two-wagon thing though, I think there's a fair chance of them both being town.
I'd prefer to lynch one of Killthestory, RadiantCowbells or ShortcutButton.
That's not to say that I agree with the points kirroha raised about ShortcutButton, they're terrible.
I like that list and may join you soon, but first I feel the need to start a new wagon.
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Interesting that 8 different people have voted kirroha and 7 different people have voted BBT. That's more than half the player list.
I'm starting to suspect both are town.ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 250, TheCow wrote:Vote Count 1.6
BlueBloodedToffee: Raskolnikov, RadiantCowbells, Syndesis, tojam2, NinoMasaki(5)(L-2)
kirroha: implosion, BlueBloodedToffee, ShortcutButton(3)(L-4)
Syndesis: kirroha, Killthestory(2)(L-5)
ShortcutButton: kirroha(1)(L-6)
Killthestory: ink(1)(L-6)
Not Voting: Rubixxx(1)
With 13 players alive, majority is 7 today.
Previous VC has been edited due to a mistake pointed out in#244.
Mod you have kirroha on here twice and me not at all.
As of this post I have kirroha voting syndesis, not shortcutbutton.
Also as of that post I did not have a vote out there.
Fixed ;-; -TheCowLast edited by TheCow on Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:18 am, edited 1 time in total.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Oh and that vote of mine is mostly because we're now on page 11 and rubix has yet to cast a vote.ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 167, Killthestory wrote:Scumread: Kirroha, Nino, BBT.
My scumread on BBT is waning when I think about it more, however. Scum has the pretense of feeling cautious in these type of scenarious, and disregarding any meta a scum member theoretically would not bring himself to such attention unless, frankly, he's bat shit crazy or a good player.
I get neither of those feelings from BBT, just the sense of comfortableness that most town members seem to possess when they joke around and type. It's a common thing for town to be so stupid and silly rather than cautious. Cautious = Scum.
In post 277, Killthestory wrote:In post 276, implosion wrote:In post 273, Killthestory wrote:I'm saying tunneling the read based off a crumb and not in game behavior hasn't worked out for me, and I was 99 percent sure
Again
That was one crumb
This is an extremely different crumb (again an assumption)
Plus it isn't just the crumb on its own, it's her behavior around the crumb.
once again, similiar situation
im telling you not to tunnel yourself around the basis of the crumb but her inherent actions and goals she's conveying thru her own agenda
Last u mention kirroha u had a scum read of her. Has that changed?ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 283, Killthestory wrote:i literally just said it
How about you say it again for those of us to dense to see it.ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 325, NinoMasaki wrote:To Innocent: Now that it is clear that kirro is town, do you still townread RC-senpai for attacking kirro?
I am actually questioning my earlier town reads on both RC and implosion at the moment. Ink is my strongest town read and I really like his scum hunting efforts. You get ink to swing over to RC and I'll join both of you.
As for rubixxx I don't like how active he started being after I voted him and pointed out his lack of contributions. Still my lone vote isn't doing much there, so I'll move it, but want the group to know it isn't cause I feel any better about his slot.
Ink is totally right about the progression from story's scum to town read on kirroha. There was no natural progression I still don't know exactly what it was that changed it. Willing to join ink here.
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In post 326, kirroha wrote:Why is nobody voting Shortcut? His actions make absolutely no sense as town and make plenty of sense as scum. He's ridiculously scummy and the only reason why there's no wagon on him is because he hasn't posted anything in a while since his last scummy post. Come on guys.
Shortcut is another player that deserves a wagon. Not ignoring you, just need to vote in blocs is all. You get ink to join u and I'll vote shortcut as well.
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The VT crumb, 8 of 12 people voting that slot, the AtE feels townie have caused me to question my scum read on her. I'd prob label her as lean town at the moment.ShowTown 21-21-1
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I just noticed you haven't changed your RVS vote yet. Scum reads please?ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 332, NinoMasaki wrote:What is AtE feels?
See appeal to emotion in the wiki page. Kirroha used a bit of it, for example, if u lynch me and when I flip town you'll have no real leads D2. I usually don't like these statements but I felt kirroha was being genuine vs trying to appeal to fear.ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 361, ShortcutButton wrote:The one game I've read of BBT, he was crazy active and pushing everything as Town. Here it's like a complete difference and lurking/active lurking? Idk all these terms fully and don't really care to know but what I do know is this shift of BBT's personality.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: bbt
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In post 389, kirroha wrote:I find it kind of strange that even though generally quite a lot of people seem to agree that Shortcut might be a viable lynch today, it's so hard to form a wagon on him. On the other hand, wagons on BBT and me happened so quickly it's ridiculous. That alone is making me even more inclined to think Short is scum.
Essentially, if a lynch happens way too fast on D1, it's probably town, or scum being bussed. Either way we're playing into scum hands. That's making me iffy about lynching BBT.
Any thoughts on similar struggles to get a kill wagon going.
Interesting how as soon as ink and I have pushed that people start attacking/trying to discredit us.
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Pretty sure the scum team is kill/rubix/implosion, tho there's a slight chance it could be RC instead of implosion.ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 338, Killthestory wrote:You know what Ink what do you think of Innocent. I need you to be as unbiased as possible as you look through his posts because it seems to be that he's trying to use your scumreads to push mislynches.
In post 387, Killthestory wrote:In post 375, ink wrote:In post 248, Killthestory wrote:Interesting, so you cHoose not to list your own reasonings for the lynch but then call the other person's terrible all the while not even explaining why?
And then you have another explained lynch and then me, which I failed to see how any of your points regarding me were even decent.
Question, do you think Ink's top lynches would be viable mislynches for scum to push?
In post 338, Killthestory wrote:You know what Ink what do you think of Innocent. I need you to be as unbiased as possible as you look through his posts because it seems to be that he's trying to use your scumreads to push mislynches.
In post 336, Killthestory wrote:Anyway, I'm getting an off feeling about Ink/Innocent duo. "Willingness to vote?" It's like asking towns approval for a scumread.
I'm not saying both are scum, by they're definitely feeding off each other. Or at least one is buddying to the others scumreads.
Let's lynch this yet?
She can't work out whether townreading or scumreading me will be more effective in saving her skin (hint: having a town role PM helps). In 338, she sounds like she knows I'm town. In 248 and 336, she's trying to make me look scummy.
I continue to townread IAmInnocent.
Probably because while I'm definitely not townreading you or even liking some of your posts, I do accept that I doubt you're scum in essence, but I don't doubt Innocent. Out of the duo, Innocent would be my scumread since he seems to be pushing you to push your reads instead of making his own. He seems to agree with most things you say, too.
And do you town read him anyway? Is it because he agrees with you at any turn? You realize that's a serious case of buddying, and you're going to have a hard time not having a bias reading him, but I'm pretty sure Innocent' s buddied you and fed off your reads since he seems to agree with everything you say.
In post 386, kirroha wrote:My previous post was for implosion.
In post 383, I Am Innocent wrote:Kirroha what's ur read on killthestory?
I didn't have any kind of read on Killthestory, but I get what you mean that his swap from scum!Kirroha to VI!Kirroha was way sudden and I also see no real basis for it. But I still did kind of find his attempts at getting people to pitch in quite genuine. Furthermore, I'm not sure why scum!Kill would want to pick a fight with an Ink/Innocent duo because I can't see what he can potentially get out of it. So I am still not sure about what I'm feeling about his slot. Yet I think at this point I'm damn well convinced that Shortcut is scum and that if Kill is scum too, he'll be scumbuddies with Shortcut.
And wrt Shortcut/Kill:
In post 201, Killthestory wrote:
In post 197, ShortcutButton wrote:VOTE: kirroha
placing my vote where the scum is
You don't like my quote? What a weak statement.
And yet you choose not to respond to it?
What a weak defense
So everyone who's shitting around should either replace out or start contributing since it's not in town motivation, and everyone who's complaining about those shitting around should do the same as well
Kill has pointed out one of my beefs with Shortcut, which is that he doesn't really respond to anything and just dismisses everything.
In post 248, Killthestory wrote:
In post 247, ink wrote:I'm null on BBT, so if we nearly run out of time I'd vote him over kirroha. It doesn't have to be a two-wagon thing though, I think there's a fair chance of them both being town.
I'd prefer to lynch one of Killthestory, RadiantCowbells or ShortcutButton.
That's not to say that I agree with the points kirroha raised about ShortcutButton, they're terrible.
Interesting, so you cHoose not to list your own reasonings for the lynch but then call the other person's terrible all the while not even explaining why?
And then you have another explained lynch and then me, which I failed to see how any of your points regarding me were even decent.
Question, do you think Ink's top lynches would be viable mislynches for scum to push?
Anyway I've responded to everything regarding myself, so I'll respond to other shit later when I'm off mobile and not as medicated.
But on the other hand Kill tried to imply that a Shortcut lynch would be a mislynch that scum would be trying to push.
With that said I can potentially see a Shortcut/Kill combo but it's very faint. Innocent, do you think a Shortcut/Kill team is likely?
Also Ink, why did you not agree with my reasons for voting Shortcut 232?
I didn't try to imply Short was a mislynch, but instead brought the possibility to play to make a case against said duo. It was, in short, momentum of a semi-scummy post in which wasn't explained that I used to back my case up.
Do note that if Short flips scum I don't see Ink being scum, but I have no mention of Short from Innocent. I don't see Ink double Decker bussing him like that, but as I said, no mention of short from innocent.
In post 464, Killthestory wrote:No I'm good.
Do you guys still see the duo of pressure from these two?
Is it just me or nah?
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In post 338, Killthestory wrote:You know what Ink what do you think of Innocent. I need you to be as unbiased as possible as you look through his posts because it seems to be that he's trying to use your scumreads to push mislynches.
And how would you KNOW they are mislynches?ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 595, kirroha wrote:I am inclined to read Rubixxx as town. He's not lying about his depression.
I guess I still don't understand the correlation between these 2 sentences.
What I do see is both times rubixxx has received votes he suddenly becomes very active.ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 596, RadiantCowbells wrote:I agree.
I'm somewhat interested in lynching IaI after that crappy naked vote.
BBT/Ink my favourite lynches at this point in time though.
Are you even reading this game?ShowTown 21-21-1
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See here's my problem. When I'm scum I have that mindset. It's all about not getting lynched.
As town I don't care if I die. My goal is to find scum. If my death helps with that so be it.
I'll make a deal with u, you vote kill with me and I'll stop pressuring u D1. Deal?ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 603, Rubixxx wrote:In post 601, I Am Innocent wrote:See here's my problem. When I'm scum I have that mindset. It's all about not getting lynched.
As town I don't care if I die. My goal is to find scum. If my death helps with that so be it.
I'll make a deal with u, you vote kill with me and I'll stop pressuring u D1. Deal?
Hah, that's a very tempting offer, but how about I make YOU a deal? You take you vote off of me, and I won't make yousuck DEEZ NUTZDeal?
That's okay ur reads (if they're not made up) suckShowTown 21-21-1
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Yeah shorts voting history is very bad (niño, kirr, and BBT) + this lurking near deadline hints at scum hoping a wagon will disappear.
unvote rubixxx
Vote taishagal
Kill is also still a great wagonShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 677, implosion wrote:Yeah I actually don't like this wagon. There are too many people who seem too willing to stay on the wagon this late when we don't have any recent information on the person being wagoned.
Yet ur vote continues to be unused. I see town implosion doing less talking and more doing.ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 681, ink wrote:Rubixxx's reads are really awful, and I think in a scummy way. Like, he kept shifting me up his list just because I continued to call him scum. He puts kirroha at the top of his town reads despite scumreading him before, it seems like it's just because that wagon dissolved. His reads seem an attempt to mirror the overall opinion of his townclique thing (people who yell and spam).
The way he speaks kind of annoys me too, I won't deny that's some part of why I'm voting him.
Yeah his appeal to fear was off the scum chart. He is softing very hard so I'm willing to give him a day or two. If he is still alive by day 3 with no night info, I will take that as a scum claim.ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 512, TaishoGal wrote:damn you cow why would you do this to me I didn't even read the thread
Gimme a day or two I have to sleep soon.
There's only 2 reasons someone would be upset like this:
1) they're town and not happy starting at L-2
2) they're scum and not happy starting at L-2
Scum has to fake stuff to dig out of that hole. It's not easy. Be much easier to lurk.
Town on the other hand has a starting point...who are the scum on my wagon. I've seen none of that, I've seen lurking.
I originally thought short was the easy town mislynch, so I avoided that wagon. Kill (and later rubixxx) voting that slot kept me off of it. Rereading kills ISO and that could easily be a bus vote for town cred. Rubixxx my read is starting to waiver a bit. Like I said to ink I'll have a better feel about rubixxx if still alive on day 3.
Implosion if you want to vote kill, I'll be happy to make that t-gals counterwagon with u. I'm sure ink would join us.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Why did you react the way you did in your first post? And why are you not claiming?ShowTown 21-21-1
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Your last 3 posts have been oh so amazing, not sure how I ever thought u were scum.ShowTown 21-21-1
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unvote taishagal
Vote kill
No longer just a naked vote (and a good counterwagon to the lead)
I'm fine with eitherShowTown 21-21-1
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