In post 106, ink wrote: In post 21, kirroha wrote:
Trying to get an easy mislynch, scum?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: ShortcutButton
So, kirroha is scum and BBT is town?
Also consistent with this is the way she doubtcasts those on BBT's wagon.
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I'm not subtracting a point for the FoS towards Kirroha, since I myself FoSed her for a reeeeally dumb reason, but rather because I don't get eir reasoning, like, at all here.
In post 110, ink wrote: In post 107, kirroha wrote: In post 106, ink wrote:
Also consistent with this is the way she doubtcasts those on BBT's wagon.
Good job with the misrepresentation. That was an RVS joke vote, and it was on someone on
Nino's
wagon, not BBT's.
My friend, that is no misrepresentation!
I was referring to this post:
In post 76, kirroha wrote:Not feeling good about BBT but the fact that his wagon moved so fast worries me. There must be scum on that wagon for it to progress as fast as it did.
The ones who are sheeping Radiant and jumping from BBT to me right away are all not looking good, but looking even scummier are those who hopped in and voted me for no reason.
VOTE: ink for the blatant misrepresentation of my post. That's scummy as hell.
How shallow. There's little scum motivation in any of the actions in this quote, and I didn't perform any of them regardless.
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Again, eir reasoning is like... way beyond me. Like... what were you even trying to say here, pardner? I honestly have no fucking clue.
In post 111, ink wrote:
"bbt is scummy"
"actually idk maybe he's town b/c wagon speed"
"i found bbt's scum partner"
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Okay, so finally there's a piece of logic I can actually follow and understand. I think Kirroha was townie flailing at this point, but it does look pretty suspicious, and is probably the conclusion I would have drawn at the time.
In post 113, ink wrote: In post 112, ink wrote:Also, your page one fake townslip is incredibly laughable.
Like, I have absolutely no clue how you expected that to work at all.
fixed
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We'll get back to this one later...
In post 114, ink wrote: In post 109, kirroha wrote: In post 54, kirroha wrote:I'm kind of seeing Nino's point about BBT's policy lynch suggestion, though I'm not sure if it's a scumtell. Pg2 implications of viable lynches before half of the players have even confirmed just doesn't sit well with me.
Just to clarify, this is referring to BBT's suggestion to policy lynch Nino, not concern over a potential lynch of BBT. Suggesting to policy lynch a newbie is never a good thing and BBT doesn't sit well in my books for doing that. But I was also curious as to what Nino thought about BBT afterwards, which was why I asked.
In fact, the fact that BBT's wagon shifted so quickly elsewhere all of a sudden makes me think that there was scum on his wagon (and now on mine). First distance, then shift targets to a mislynch. This is if BBT is scum.
You should self-vote.
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In post 115, ink wrote:I actually read some of kiarrhoea's past games, and his play as town strikes me as scummy in similar ways as his play here does. All I can feel about his scum play is that it's even worse.
So I'm not giving as much weight to all the "wagon sped xd shepping". The main thing keeping my vote where it is right now is the "guys, just wondering as an aside btw is their scum daytalk im just asking for a friend??". Complete garbage.
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Meh, I'll give you this one. It's got okay reasoning.
In post 214, ink wrote:UNVOTE: kirroha
The more I ruminate on this, the more I think that kirroha legitimately townslipped. Let's re-read!
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So I had to go back to see if this was before or after the wagon on Kirroha died down, but it was actually before. Posts like this actually make me wonder if ink is legit town death tunneling me for no reason.
But I doubt it you fucking sleaze-ball.
In post 225, ink wrote: In post 165, Killthestory wrote: In post 74, kirroha wrote:
On the basis that I asked questions about BBT? I'm feeling uncomfortable about his suggestion of Nino as a possible policy lynch, so I would be more than happy to vote him if he wasn't already at L-2. I'm curious as to whether Nino considers the same suggestion a scumtell, because that would reaffirm what I'm feeling from his post (i.e. trying to get a soft wagon started on Nino on the basis of 'policy'). Nino had 2 votes on her at that point, so I'm not buying BBT's implied "a wagon isn't going to start on you anyway" excuse.
Can't get much of a read on anyone else yet. I like Nino, though.
You like Nino? For what, yelling about how she's not an alt and not actually contributing thus far? And then the fact that you have no scumreads currently when there's plenty to pick apart?
VOTE: Kirroha
In post 76, kirroha wrote:Not feeling good about BBT but the fact that his wagon moved so fast worries me. There must be scum on that wagon for it to progress as fast as it did.
I need to sleep as well.
Just because of how quick a wagon hits doesn't mean it should be taken much less seriously or even taken more seriously. It's just simply a wagon. I'm not sure why you used this to have a sense of direction regarding BBT, but I don't feel it's appropriate.
In post 85, NinoMasaki wrote:kirroha should be town. I think BBT is bad and you should keep your vote on him senpai.
wtf?
I think this vote is terrible, and not just because I'm now reading kirroha as town. Killthestory's efforts to justify her vote are very poor.
Perhaps the main thing I dislike here is how the confidence just feels... wrong, but it's difficult to quantify this.
The quoted post is more an attempt to attack kirroha than to show why they're scum.
VOTE: Killthestory
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And theeeen, we go from one mislynch wagon to the other. Right. Because of-fucking-course. And this one is conf town! Oh lawdy.
In post 227, ink wrote:RadiantCowbells' posts give me a non-specific bad feeling. He hasn't done anything that gives me strong town feelings, either. I'm sure the joking about being scum wasn't intended seriously regardless of his alignment, but I can't shake the feeling that most of these posts have been an attempt to distract us from reading him.
Kirroha's
128 seemed quite town, actually.
I think that implosion, I Am Innocent, and NinoMasaki are town.
Rubixxx's reads are weird and I'm not sure what he's doing, but I like his self-assured tone.
I like some of ShortcutButton's posts, and dislike others.
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In post 245, ink wrote:BBT isn't even scummy at all.
If he's being wagoned during RVS for claiming scum then like, okay, fine. But that's ultimately null and he's done almost nothing else indicative enough to warrant seriously considering lynching him.
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Basically.
In post 315, ink wrote: In post 248, Killthestory wrote: In post 225, ink wrote: In post 165, Killthestory wrote: In post 74, kirroha wrote:
On the basis that I asked questions about BBT? I'm feeling uncomfortable about his suggestion of Nino as a possible policy lynch, so I would be more than happy to vote him if he wasn't already at L-2. I'm curious as to whether Nino considers the same suggestion a scumtell, because that would reaffirm what I'm feeling from his post (i.e. trying to get a soft wagon started on Nino on the basis of 'policy'). Nino had 2 votes on her at that point, so I'm not buying BBT's implied "a wagon isn't going to start on you anyway" excuse.
Can't get much of a read on anyone else yet. I like Nino, though.
You like Nino? For what, yelling about how she's not an alt and not actually contributing thus far? And then the fact that you have no scumreads currently when there's plenty to pick apart?
VOTE: Kirroha
In post 76, kirroha wrote:Not feeling good about BBT but the fact that his wagon moved so fast worries me. There must be scum on that wagon for it to progress as fast as it did.
I need to sleep as well.
Just because of how quick a wagon hits doesn't mean it should be taken much less seriously or even taken more seriously. It's just simply a wagon. I'm not sure why you used this to have a sense of direction regarding BBT, but I don't feel it's appropriate.
In post 85, NinoMasaki wrote:kirroha should be town. I think BBT is bad and you should keep your vote on him senpai.
wtf?
I think this vote is terrible, and not just because I'm now reading kirroha as town. Killthestory's efforts to justify her vote are very poor.
Perhaps the main thing I dislike here is how the confidence just feels... wrong, but it's difficult to quantify this.
The quoted post is more an attempt to attack kirroha than to show why they're scum.
VOTE: Killthestory
[Citation needed]
It's an opinion. Your efforts to justify your vote are poor because you identified small and non-alignment-indicative logical issues with kirroha's posts and treated them as if they were alignment indicative.
Confidence is wrong to you? Any townie should be exerting confidence? Do you disagree with this?
That's not what I said at all.
Your
confidence was wrong to me. I don't think that "Any townie should be exerting confidence". If you think this, it probably explains your motive in faking confidence.
[Citation needed]
It's an opinion. There's a lot of over-the-top misrepresentation in your post.
In post 226, ink wrote: In post 167, Killthestory wrote:My scumread on BBT is waning when I think about it more, however. Scum has the pretense of feeling cautious in these type of scenarious, and disregarding any meta a scum member theoretically would not bring himself to such attention unless, frankly, he's bat shit crazy or a good player.
Are you familiar with
this concept?
Any half decent player knows about WIFOM, and I took it into consideration. However, I don't think BBT's behaviour was tactically planned to cause such a ripple effect regarding how players thought past vs presently.
"Yep, I know what WIFOM is."
"But it's not WIFOM, it's [WIFOM]."
In post 233, kirroha wrote: In post 167, Killthestory wrote:My scumread on BBT is waning when I think about it more, however. Scum has the pretense of feeling cautious in these type of scenarious, and disregarding any meta a scum member theoretically would not bring himself to such attention unless, frankly, he's bat shit crazy or a good player.
I think this is definitely a null tell. How friendly or silly or jokey a player is depends quite a lot on how well they know the people around here. BBT who seems to know Radiant, yourself, Radko etc. would naturally be more jokey than a new player like Nino or someone who hasn't been here in 2 years like myself.
If it were rehearsed, then I'd think it null/scum, but quite frankly I think it's a town member comfortable about his situation and exerting confidence regardless.
This isn't a play.
Generally, town members have a confidence, an aura you could say, where they know they won't be lynched. That is not true, but players still exhibit this tendency. BBT is confident and just as well seems to be exhibiting this.
You're clearly having trouble justifying your awkward opinion.
Anyway, I don't know any of the players on this site as I'm new.
ShortcutButton appears to know you.
In post 247, ink wrote:I'm null on BBT, so if we nearly run out of time I'd vote him over kirroha. It doesn't have to be a two-wagon thing though, I think there's a fair chance of them both being town.
I'd prefer to lynch one of Killthestory, RadiantCowbells or ShortcutButton.
That's not to say that I agree with the points kirroha raised about ShortcutButton, they're terrible.
Interesting, so you cHoose not to list your own reasonings for the lynch but then call the other person's terrible all the while not even explaining why?
It's also interesting how you're throwing shade on me without outright attacking me.
And then you have another explained lynch and then me, which I failed to see how any of your points regarding me were even decent.
You've failed at more than just that by broadcasting your alignment blatantly.
Question, do you think Ink's top lynches would be viable mislynches for scum to push?
This is just terrible. You still haven't even said that I'm scum at all yet, but you're casting so much doubt.
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Ugh... Here we are again bullying Kill, who was conf town. You really know how to pick 'em, don't you?
In post 316, ink wrote: In post 255, Rubixxx wrote: In post 230, kirroha wrote:Going to go back and read all the new posts. In the meantime, I'll respond to implosion's post first.
(Snipped)
I need to clarify something.
I did not softclaim anything.
All I revealed was that I crumbed my role early in the game, and everyone started going back and trying to figure out what was it that I crumbed and making speculations (which are all wrong). I stated quite clearly that my crumb is in plain sight, but is
impossible to figure out unless you know the language
. I have deliberately also made it a crumb that isn't Google Translateable either, so that nobody will be able to tell what it is until I have to explain the crumb myself. Essentially, the crumb will only make sense after I am forced to claim.
This is so there is no way my crumb or the fact that I have a crumb would give any kind of extra information to scum.
Instead, it is a way for me to inform the rest of the town that I had a
consistent
role from the beginning, something which scum is unlikely to have. It doesn't necessarily mean a PR softclaim. I could've crumbed "vanilla townie" for all you know.
So I don't get your argument in that it isn't a legitimate action for me to take as town.
(Snipped)
In post 231, kirroha wrote:
No, no you did not.
Can I please reiterate that
my crumb was in a
language other than English
. If you managed to find some other "crumb" in my posts then you're just seeing something which isn't there. My crumb was not in English.
Waitwaitwaitwaitwait. Hold the fuck on.
I looked at all of your posts. I didn't see anything that was not English. Are you admitting to putting hidden text in one of your posts? You know that's against the rules, right? Not to mention, EXTREMELY scummy. You just got moved to the top of my scum list, bambina.
Please tell me you're not serious.
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In post 317, ink wrote: In post 280, implosion wrote:Idk. I might be wrong. I really want to hear either people agreeing with me or some better reason for me to be dissuaded than there having been a similar situation in which the person in question was town.
You're tunneling here.
Look at the page 1 townslip and the VT claim. Those should be changing your mind on their own. No offense intended, but I don't think kirroha is capable of doing that as scum.
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In post 319, ink wrote:Killthestory suddenly switches to hard defending kirroha after she notices the tide turning against the wagon and the towntells kirroha had been exhibiting.
There's no progression there, just "Kirroha is obv VI" right before arguing with those on the wagon. She probably forgot her previous excessively strong stance against kirroha.
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OR, maybe town fucks up occasionally.
In post 321, ink wrote:I might be okay with lynching Rubixxx, but it's not clear how much of what I'm seeing is badness rather than scumminess. In particular, I'm not sure how to interpret
255.
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I will never fucking live this down.
In post 323, ink wrote:I meant more along the lines of: usually when something is a townslip, it's a townslip, not scum faking it, unless there's a lot of evidence pointing towards it being fake. Same with claiming VT, even though it's possible to concoct a conspiracy theory in which kirraho is scum, it's more likely to come from a VT kirraho.
Okay, so when you voted Kirra the first time, you said she was scum faking it... what changed? What would move you from "obvious evidence this is a fake townslip!" to "oshit gaiz she's innocent UNLESS we can come up with EVIDENCE that she's faking it!!!!" I just don't get it... But I'll give you a half point for being... half(ish) right.
In post 374, ink wrote: In post 338, Killthestory wrote:You know what Ink what do you think of Innocent. I need you to be as unbiased as possible as you look through his posts because it seems to be that he's trying to use your scumreads to push mislynches.
trying to use your scumreads to push mislynches.
This is pretty funny.
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Okay, sure.
In post 375, ink wrote: In post 248, Killthestory wrote:Interesting, so you cHoose not to list your own reasonings for the lynch but then call the other person's terrible all the while not even explaining why?
And then you have another explained lynch and then me, which I failed to see how any of your points regarding me were even decent.
Question, do you think Ink's top lynches would be viable mislynches for scum to push?
In post 338, Killthestory wrote:You know what Ink what do you think of Innocent. I need you to be as unbiased as possible as you look through his posts because it seems to be that he's trying to use your scumreads to push mislynches.
In post 336, Killthestory wrote:Anyway, I'm getting an off feeling about Ink/Innocent duo. "Willingness to vote?" It's like asking towns approval for a scumread.
I'm not saying both are scum, by they're definitely feeding off each other. Or at least one is buddying to the others scumreads.
Let's lynch this yet?
She can't work out whether townreading or scumreading me will be more effective in saving her skin (hint: having a town role PM helps). In
338, she sounds like she knows I'm town. In
248 and
336, she's trying to make me look scummy.
I continue to townread IAmInnocent.
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Grossssssss. Everything about this post makes me itch all over. Also worth mentioning, this is is a big reason why I think ink and IAI are butt buddies. Then again, I doubt scum would partake in such obvious buddying, so maybe it's just scum trying to suck up to town. IDKyet.
In post 376, ink wrote:
Aren't you reading him as scum, why a policy lynch here?
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Good point. This might be an attempt for more buddying, but I'm not sure.
In post 377, ink wrote: In post 361, ShortcutButton wrote:The one game I've read of BBT, he was crazy active and pushing everything as Town. Here it's like a complete difference and lurking/active lurking? Idk all these terms fully and don't really care to know but what I do know is this shift of BBT's personality.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: bbt
ShortcutButton is likely scum too, I see.
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Ewwwwwwwww...
In post 403, ink wrote: In post 387, Killthestory wrote:Probably because while I'm definitely not townreading you or even liking some of your posts, I do accept that I doubt you're scum in essence
See, this is complete trash. All the posturing here. It's so obvious that you're scum. If you "doubt I'm scum in essence", you're not " definitely not townreading me". It is the ever-present struggle between the conflicting needs of the caught scum: to neither townread nor scumread their accuser.
I wish I could convey to everyone how even the wording in this quote is extremely scummy. I think it's hard to see things like this unless you're involved with the conversation somehow.
, but I don't doubt Innocent. Out of the duo, Innocent would be my scumread since he seems to be pushing you to push your reads instead of making his own. He seems to agree with most things you say, too.
You already know that we're both town, and you should know by now that I also know this. Give up!
And do you town read him anyway? Is it because he agrees with you at any turn? You realize that's a serious case of buddying, and you're going to have a hard time not having a bias reading him, but I'm pretty sure Innocent' s buddied you and fed off your reads since he seems to agree with everything you say.
How many times do I have to say this, didn't you ask me if I townread him really recently?
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Gross.
In post 419, ink wrote:
How would I urge you to vote someone who's scum?
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Okay, but if you think someone is innocent, why not actually back your statement up with reasoning? Too hard for you?