Mini 1761: Red Neighborhood - Day 2

[Aristophanes]

When did this shit start?

Sheep: Johnny

I mean,
VOTE: Dwlee

XD

[Aristophanes]

^
With that, exactly 1/3 of player posts contain a Dwlee vote.
He is now at L-2.

[Aristophanes]

Ah, that makes much more sense. Thanks Dwylee.

Sheep: Johnny

I mean,
VOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Aristophanes

Why do you have to specify that you're sheeping Johnny? Why can't you just vote like everyone else?

How could you not after that gif?

See, Johnny gets it.

And I sheeped him because the other votes sucked.

[Aristophanes]

Nopers.
Once you vote, you can't revote for the cycle. It is now locked in for all of D1.

Just use the unvote tag. UNVOTE: <--- no space, obviously

^ Highlight that to read it, Skull.

[Aristophanes]

This activity level is garbage. Aristo how do you feel about being town read? yay or nay?

Quite alright with this!
Lets be town together!

UNVOTE:

Who should we vote my friend?

Are you guys dumb Dr circno was already voting dwlee his still L-2.

I liked it better when people thought he was at L-1.

[Aristophanes]

Town block right now is aristo, skull and dr circno.

Not sure where I want to vote rn, what about you, aristo? Where you feeling the scum are?

Ricastle and Insanity both strike me as odd thus far. That's where I'd like to start.

VOTE: Ricastle

[Aristophanes]

Ricastle, why merely point out that you could hammer?
What was the point of that post?

Because to me it looks like you were trying to cash in on easy town points for later.

[Aristophanes]

Since when calling for hammer page 1 garnered town points?

I could hammer right now!

^ This is not a call for a hammer.
This is going "I

could

hammer. Look at me not hammering.
I can haz town points?"

Which is yuck.

[Aristophanes]

Johnny!
Wonderful to play with you again!

RHOUGHTS ON Dwlee's responses to the wagon?

[Aristophanes]

It's so sexy when you ask for my rhoughts

Dwee's confident which tells me nothing. Reactions to his reactions are cool though. A bunch of people just don't know how to read him so they talk

at

him without accomplishing much. Good for associatives later when people start flippin'

It's 2:30 am. Shaddap! XP

Cool, that makes good sense.
I townread that confidence myself.

Ninja'd
Lol

[Aristophanes]

I mean it was a shit wagon, either alignment could see that. It does tell me he's not gonna be all newbie like Skullmaster though.

Yeah, he's had a few games here. I was in one of the early ones and he's gotten accustomed pretty well since then.

I would have expected a lot more insecurity as scum though.
That's where I'm coming from on it.

[Aristophanes]

Really?
Neither did I!

When I did notice I was elated!

[Aristophanes]

So I just reread and I'm actually kind of mad at the good Doctor Cirno or however you spell it and to a lesser extent you, Ari, for making some leaps of logic. The offending posts are 42 and 44 respectively, and both are concerning Ricasell? Ricastle? Rica? Rica.

I had merely made a statement and was clarifying it. It was a logic leap, for sure. I wanted a response though

I did get one, where he laughs it off basically, which I didn't really like.
Unlikely to be where my vote stays, but definitely a slot that needs more interactions and focus.

[Aristophanes]

Since when calling for hammer page 1 garnered town points?

I could hammer right now!

^ This is not a call for a hammer.
This is going "I

could

hammer. Look at me not hammering.
I can haz town points?"

Which is yuck.

That's not what I was implying at all. I was merely joking around on P1.

Turns out that the punchline is your insinuation that hammering there would be optimal scumplay.

This would be it here.

Actually, I think I forgot to address this.

Hey Rica!
I got negative vibes from it, which is why I'm voting, as mentioned. I didn't like the dance around the hammer.
However, in this post, why was it the only thing g you responded to?
Do you have any reads or questions for people?
If so, why not mention them then?
If not, why not?

[Aristophanes]

Also, totally using "Rica" Johnny.
I like it!

[Aristophanes]

I think that is a misrep. Skull just knows me.

I'm just assuming Skull's a newbie and he's being friendly with Dwee because he's a friendly face.

You two are literally saying the same thing. This is dumb.

Watching people not understand Johnny is always amusing
This isn't out of the ordinary though and he is, I guess, a slight mafia Hipster.

Johnny, you asked if I thought Rica's post was serious a d though I don't buy that they would hammer then, as it is undead for either alignment, I thing hinting at his ability to has some indication of alignment and it gives me bad feels.

Garmr, who is generally townread right now and how is Johnny smearing their respective images?
Because it's page, what 5?
I don't think generally accepted townreads are a thing yet.

[Aristophanes]

Can I say what I see?

I like that you're looking, Cirno, but I'm not convinced.

Insanity I may vote though.

[Aristophanes]

Yeah, I'm good with this for sure
VOTE: insanity

Their only content post is the one Lowell pointed out as bad, and I agree with his assertions about it.

[Aristophanes]

I don't like how this game feels like a few of us standing around saying "yup, that's scummy"

Feels weirdly apathetic

Spoiler:

[Aristophanes]

Ari gets it

Yee!

I do find it weird that I agree with the Insanity, Rica, Random scum trio. It is just too easy and agreed upon by too many people.
I also like Lowell's town(bloc)reads and I don't know. I'm sure we're wrong somewhere here.

I probably won't have time to analyze it today, but it's in my plans for the near future.
I shouldn't look a gift horse in the mount, but I will.

[Aristophanes]

Inb4 Dwlee is a Lyncher with Ricastle as a target.

[Aristophanes]

But I still agree on the scumreads and dislike RandomMaf.
The catchup were bleh.

[Aristophanes]

In fact, Dwlee feels a lot like a counterwagon to scum.
VOTE: Rica

[Aristophanes]

Someone finally fucking realizes it. Good job ari. Gold star.

I'm gonna put it on my wall with my participation awards in Soccer and cherish it!

[Aristophanes]

I have first place from CubCars. Where younger scouts make and race wooden cars they built themselves from a kit with a block of wood and some wheels.

Who's the scrub now?

[Aristophanes]

Someone finally fucking realizes it. Good job ari. Gold star.

Wait a minute...
Is this to me saying you're a counterwagon or a Lyncher!?!?

[Aristophanes]

The more I play mafia the more I realize it is just people screaming at each other and ten random lynching, hasta.

Best summation of the game I've seen yet! Lol

[Aristophanes]

THAnk you for Those Wise clArificationS, Puzzles are indeed fun, diamOnd sentINel, now i beTter know the ruLES... and knowing iS half the battle!

Lol yOu haVE a greaT sense of Humour. I See the POint if thiS greaT post.

[Aristophanes]

my role pm says otherwise

Literally my least favourite argument.

[Aristophanes]

my role pm says otherwise

Literally my least favourite argument.

My argument isn't wrong?

But the only way to prove this is to flip you, making it a bad argument.

[Aristophanes]

my role pm says otherwise

Literally my least favourite argument.

My argument isn't wrong?

But the only way to prove this is to flip you, making it a bad argument.

I don't need to prove it?

I'm not saying you have to prove it.
But if you are going to use something in an argument to push alignment, be it your own or someone else's, you should probably argue something that can be qualified, thater than something like this. You are the only person with this info, and the only way anyone else can get this info is by your death or certain PRs.
So this point tells nobody anything and is essentially worthless filler.

[Aristophanes]

Why are you taking dwlee rolepm thing so seriously ari it seems so fake and artificial to even show concern over something so small.

You can basically sum up SRMP and dwlee argument as I know you are but what i'm I sort of thing. Yet your so serious about it.

I really don't care about the interaction. I merely made a comment that it was a dumb argument.

It is being followed up, so I am explaining why I dislike it.

[Aristophanes]

So I've worked 36 of the past 48 hours so you'll forgive me for being curt but can we talk about this fucking post for a second?

Scum consists mostly of the players not currently posting.

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar

Seems to me like he's realised he can no longer fluff his way through the game and has gone quiet.

First, work prevented me from posting. Eat it. Ari can tell you I am IN NO WAY scared of fluff posting my way into

getting lynched

the end of the game.

Second, and way more importantly, your gameplan is seriously to townread all active players? Because how could you possibly think that? List all active players and why they're town.

I'll read everything else after a good night's sleep. Peace.

I can indeed attest to this fact.
It's part of what makes playing with Johnny frustratingly fun!

He does raise a good point on your use of activity to garner reads though.

[Aristophanes]

I've played with Johnny many,many times are we are good friends.
I always act a little less serious and joke around a bit more when he's in the game.

Dwlee, I meant my comment as a one-off statement. I went into it because you pursued it. I dislike that argument from anyone at any time, I merely explained the reason this time.

Garmr, believe it or not, that was my being friendly, not me buddying.

[Aristophanes]

I have meta reasons to believe you are scum, ari. Pretty sure this isnt town you.

Meta ain't perfect.

I often play differently depending on the feel of the game, the people in it, my role, and how I'm feeling irl. The latter I try to keep to a minimum. But even games running consecutively with similar roles will often be played differently as they have a different feel.

Regardless, this isn't really saying anything helpful.

What I mean is "I'm town, your meta is wrong/skewed."

[Aristophanes]

I should reread some stuff here.

I think I was called out for having stagnant reads at some point here?

I don't think they are stagnant. I think they are D1 confidence and I have yet to be proven wrong on them. So I stand by them for now.
Whatever though.

[Aristophanes]

Welp, I've been spoken to.

Sorry DS!

I meant no disrespect! I didn't realize it was being prohibited. I guess I should have read your original post better.

Anyway, just an apology for accidentally subverting a rule in with light hearted intentions.

I'll read the rest of the stuff I've missed at some point soonish.

Saw a claim. Meh.
Say people attacking Johnny and linking me to him? Lol

Uhh...I think that's all for now.

Mod Note: I could tell you didn't really mean much by it, but I have to be consistent here. Sorry.

[Aristophanes]

Oh, and I missed this page.

L-1 eh?

I'm fine with that I guess.

[Aristophanes]

But hasta, tell me about me

Oh my god.
Stop being so classic TownJohnny. This is just too much!

[Aristophanes]

@Insanity,
It's called D1 apathy.
I get it a lot on this forum as I'm still more accustomed to shorter days from my old forums.

When D1 lasts 2 weeks I start to lose interest. It usually returns once we have a lynch or two under our belts.

[Aristophanes]

all caugh up
not much to say on the last ~7 pages

the backoff on the ari wagon has me really concerned
VOTE: ari

I saw this coming as soon as I started reading your posts.

Welcome to the game Droog!

Wanna vote where it will count today and push me again D2?

[Aristophanes]

Damn I was hoping I could hammer this.

Aristo or Johnny, come do this.

Also I'm back. Will reread tomorrow.

We still have 46 hours.
I'll hammer if I have to, but plenty of time left.

[Aristophanes]

*popcorn.gif*

[Aristophanes]

Lol!
I'm totally gonna end up being the lynch for today.
That was a good kill, scum, if that was your goal

[Aristophanes]

Garmr, I think your reactions are a bit over the top.
But I'll trust Johnny on you.

Also, Droog, what was that response to the flip (not that I should be talking ).

Pers, why are you criticizing Johnny for playing a fine tuned game rather ran taking it, working with it, and trying to get on his level? You almost seem to discredit him there for being

good

at mafia. Like wtf?

Dwlee, I was, in fact, apathetic to the lynch. I believe I said as much at some point. How was my overt apathy scummy?

Rica, care to expand upon how my play will get me killed, and whether or not it's scum indicative?

Lowell, what was weird about my post and what does it tell you?
I was surprised by the flip as I didn't expect an Insanity kill, thought about my D1 play, and considered my meta. I am so likely to be lynched today you wouldn't believe it!

Hasta, that post really said nothing. What are your thoughts now that we have a flip?

Johnny, are you saying you want my lynch for info? Because it looks to me like you'd be okay with that atm.

[Aristophanes]

I mean just because you're town doesn't mean you can't be wrong. Treat me like I'm dumb, explain in simple words why Ari is scum.

<3

Awesome Johnny is awesome!

Also, Gar, I just wanted to point out that Johnny is a great Mafia player despite whatever you may think. I have seen games end prematurely because he's been that good at catching scum, and he's successfully caught me as scum as early as my 2nd post before.

This is all non game related, but I will defend him on a personal level if you attack him like this because it is but unwarranted and untrue.

[Aristophanes]

I have read up to Gar's nice long post.

Dwlee, I'm gonna have to reread the posts just before it because I don't know who you're talking to or what about.

Lowell, why the "I think I townread Ari yesterday" stuff?
You definitely did.
I was in your supposed "town block!"

[Aristophanes]

Not to worry Lowell, that was more a clarification on how you said things.
Pay attention now then. Rethinking is good

[Aristophanes]

Garmr, you're a dummy for thinking Johnny would ever be this obvious about a night result. And how is his playing devils advocate yo your case a bad thing?

Also, people townreading you doesn't immediately make you King of town. I see that high horse you're on.

On the walls of arguments about me, I'm flattered I guess.

I dropped a lot of my care about this game yesterday.
Coming into it today, I wanted to restart and get some reads. So I questioned people a d am waiting on responses.

Also, I made that question post last night then went to bed. Few have been addressed yet.
So how am I using it to give little info? I'm using it to sort people, but it hasn't even been a full day and I need people to respond before I can.
This last bit of your case is such a stretch it's quite amazing!

[Aristophanes]

There's 30 pages of content. I think you can work on sorting people without answers to those few questions.

I'm sure I can.
But I don't feel like it.

[Aristophanes]

I am happy w/ garmr leading town. He should.

Because he is town or because he is loud?

[Aristophanes]

I am happy w/ garmr leading town. He should.

Because he is town or because he is loud?

Because he is town and a good player.

Okay cool.

What do you make of his interactions with Johnny?
What is your stance on the latter?

And do you think i'm scum?
If so, why?

[Aristophanes]

I got the noncommital shit from insanity's iso, figured they knew what they were talking about. :I

Does this still stand as a reason?

[Aristophanes]

Also, do you have any questions for myself?

[Aristophanes]

Not rly.

Oh.
Okay then.

I was hoping some "let's sort Ari" momentum might occur.

Oh well!

[Aristophanes]

It already has.

Well why wasn't I invited!? XD

[Aristophanes]

I'm making excuses?
I asked wurstiokd and want answers.


But whatever you want me to he scum, so I always will be yo you.

[Aristophanes]

the lack of resistance on the aristo wagon is frightening.

Johnny is defending him. Were you expecting the whole rest of the scumteam to come to Ari's aid, or something?

That'd be nice actually.

[Aristophanes]

The townblock right now is Johnny, Garmr and I. :3

I can agree to this.

VOTE: aristo

He's being obnoxiously coy. I'm not sure why.

Am I?
I suppose that's my state of being atm. Lol

[Aristophanes]

Oh, I'm at L-1 :S

[Aristophanes]

Claim?

Sure!
I've got a God Given Skill!
My voice counts, right?

[Aristophanes]

I'll take that as a VT claim.

meant to say that.
Yep, VT.

[Aristophanes]

Ari, considering how well you know Johnny, how are you reading him from yesterday to today?

I have a solid townread on the slot. His prodding around me isn't something I could see him doing as scum and his conversations with Gar are towny in perspective.

[Aristophanes]

Ari, hypothetically, if you were to survive today and you were scum, who would you pick to night kill?

Thanks a weird question, but I like theoreticals.

Probably Garmr.
He has a lot of weight and is throwing it around. I've always been a fan of getting rid of vocal town as scum. It both let's you hide easier as it kills a lot of conversation and gets the inquisitive minds out of the game.

[Aristophanes]

Intent to hammer Ari, unless people want to go look around for more scum. I've read over his ISO and he doesn't seem to have much to say, in contrast with other games of his.

I've hit an apathy because I knew this would happen from the start of D2. I know my reads have changed little from D1, but I don't think that's necessarily scummy. Is there anything you'd like to know before we end the day prematurely?

[Aristophanes]

Well, I'm not selfvoting.
Only commies Self vote!

[Aristophanes]

Well I disagree with your disagreement!

Ninja'd

[Aristophanes]

I think Persivul brings up a good point. Ari, if you want your faction to win -- even beyond your death -- it would be pretty helpful if you could share your thoughts on other players.

On the other side of the coin, however, and as Nosferatu pointed out, it's a bit alarming that collectively we haven't really pursued anyone else today. What is this indicative of? Scum jumping on an easy kill or poor town play..? Not sure yet... but I think it's interesting to note the similarities between yesterday's wagon and today:

Some Random Mafia Player [7]: Dwlee, Garmr, insanity018, Lowell, Nosferatu, Persivul, Ricastle
Aristophanes [5]: Ricastle, Garmr, Persivul, Lowell, Dwlee99

Ooooh! That's neat actually!

Something to chew on for sure!
Good eye!

[Aristophanes]

The main thing to stick out is:
- Ricastle was the other big wagon at end of D1
- Ricastle hammered
- Ricastle was first vote on Ari today, and hasn't given much in the way of explanation IIRC.

BUT...I previously brought up to johnophanes that they were pushing rica yesterday and hadn't done so today, and they still didn't push him, or explain why their read had changed, or push anyone else.

Read didn't change, though I thought it would.

I rarely come out of a night voting for someone. It's just not my style.

[Aristophanes]

We're 4 days into phase now.

And it looks like a lost cause.

However, I can look back and make a proper case again if you like!
I will gladly!

[Aristophanes]

I get that it's early in phase for a lynch, but Ari just rubs me the wrong way with every single post.

Garmr, are you still convinced on Ari?

I won't argue that my posts feel quite trite.
However this appears to be my current style within the confines of this game and thus it is the way I am comporting myself.

Oh well!

[Aristophanes]

That's because scum know they'll hear about it once I flip town.

I'd have been bussed already if I were scum.

[Aristophanes]

Alright, I've been neglecting this game because I didn't feel the love. Gimme an hour and I'll see what I can do, answer some questions, and hopefully have a case or two.
It's the least I can do for you guys.

[Aristophanes]

Ya know, for someone who has voted all over the place, Rica sure does lack scumhunting in a majority of his posts.
He doesn't really ask questions, just says someone is scum and sticks to it. No real reasons. No real sorting of people, just arbitrary town/scum reads on a limited number of people for whatever seems like it will work at the time.

This is definitely scum.
VOTE: Rica

I hadn't looked at him for a while,but his ISO is basically devoid of any game sorting posts.

This was my first ISO for the night, and I think I started in the right place.

[Aristophanes]

esterday's wagon and today:

Some Random Mafia Player [7]: Dwlee, Garmr, insanity018, Lowell, Nosferatu, Persivul, Ricastle
Aristophanes [5]: Ricastle, Garmr, Persivul, Lowell, Dwlee99

thats garmr loweell and persuvil
oh and dwee

do you have a lean there?
which of those 4 leads do you want to chase

Actually all 5 are on both wagons. JS.

[Aristophanes]

I get that it's early in phase for a lynch, but Ari just rubs me the wrong way with every single post.

Garmr, are you still convinced on Ari?

yes especially after this.

Ari, hypothetically, if you were to survive today and you were scum, who would you pick to night kill?

Thanks a weird question, but I like theoreticals.

Probably Garmr.
He has a lot of weight and is throwing it around. I've always been a fan of getting rid of vocal town as scum. It both let's you hide easier as it kills a lot of conversation and gets the inquisitive minds out of the game.

also now I suspect hasta as well.

Why I'd this post scummy and how does it incriminate Hasta?

[Aristophanes]

I'd = is. And thus = this.
(Wherever the improper one is used, sub in the other.)
My phone autocorrects the oddest things at times.

[Aristophanes]

In reading Number One early game I wanted to call them scum, but from this post on, they seem a lot mire towny in action and intent.

UNVOTE:

I wasn't actually serious about my vote. I just wanted to get a bit more discussion going and pressure doesn't occur when people are sitting around with 2 votes and just saying "oh that guy looks scummy".

I think SRMP's town because there'd be more resistance to the lynch if he was mafia. Also, I don't really trust some of the other people on the wagon.

SRMP, I want to hear your scumreads.

VOTE: Ricastle <- better choice for lynch, although I would still love a Hasta lynch


Hasta:
I still think you're scum. But it doesn't seem that anyone else agrees with me enough to vote you, so I'll go after other scum instead. Could you respond to 382?

Number One, I see your Hasta read has lessened.
But where does your Rica read stand?
Do you still scumlean Lowell for the "townblock" thing?
What are your thoughts on other players?

Also, you're just barely due for a prod. A little bit of activity would be cool.

[Aristophanes]

Hmm...Hasta is kinda null.
Like, on the town side of it for sure, but nullish.
He's been asking lots of questions, but I don't see a lot of actual sorting of people based on the answers.
I don't dislike them, but I found myself flip flopping a lot in my ISO read. Possibly due to being a newer player though.

That's because scum know they'll hear about it once I flip town.

I'd have been bussed already if I were scum.

Explain more. Do you think there are more scum voting for you or not right now?

I'd say probably more currently are voting me than not. But what I meant moreso is that I'd have asked to be bussed if it came to it, as I am fine with that as scum. The fact that we have intents but no lynch should indicate that I am town because of this.

However I can see how this is unlikely to be seen by those who either haven't played with me as scum before, so I don't expect it to mean much to anyone here.

[Aristophanes]

Alright, last one for tn I think.

Nos is pretty clearly town to me.
They've been rather consistent and reevaluate reads as they go. Asking decent questions. Trusting gut on me, but not dismissing the case because of it, is actually what has me the most. They are obviously thinking critically about the game.

This is a good town read.

[Aristophanes]

@Gar

I get that it's early in phase for a lynch, but Ari just rubs me the wrong way with every single post.

Garmr, are you still convinced on Ari?

yes especially after this.

Ari, hypothetically, if you were to survive today and you were scum, who would you pick to night kill?

Thanks a weird question, but I like theoreticals.

Probably Garmr.
He has a lot of weight and is throwing it around. I've always been a fan of getting rid of vocal town as scum. It both let's you hide easier as it kills a lot of conversation and gets the inquisitive minds out of the game.

also now I suspect hasta as well.

Why is this post scummy and how does it incriminate Hasta?

[Aristophanes]

So who do you think is the scum trying to save him, garmr?

I have my theroies but I don't want to be to vocal about it till ari lynched (in the twilight phase) because I'm probably going to be killed this night phase anyway or I'll just write up near the end of the day.

Also dwlee you know how hard I will push for a lynch so you personally know ari is getting the lynch right.

This post is disgusting. Not scummy, but disgusting.

[Aristophanes]

Apparently some people don't understand what intent means.

VOTE: Rica

For reasons from yesterday and bad play today - basically just a naked vote on Ari.

It could be a bus on a scum buddy.

preflight associatives and confbiasing, but whatever.

[Aristophanes]

So who do you think is the scum trying to save him, garmr?

I have my theroies but I don't want to be to vocal about it till ari lynched (in the twilight phase) because I'm probably going to be killed this night phase anyway or I'll just write up near the end of the day.

Also dwlee you know how hard I will push for a lynch so you personally know ari is getting the lynch right.

This post is disgusting. Not scummy, but disgusting.

Whatever I want to hold back my opinions to see how they develop I have reasoning for that.


Unless you are talking about the fact I want you dead and willing to do anything to get rid of scum like you deal with it.

It's disgusting because you would rather strong-arm a lynch through, and believe you have both the power and the right to, rather than reconsider that you might be wrong.

That last line to Dwlee is abhorrent play and a bad attitude.

[Aristophanes]

That's great, except that I'm not scum.

[Aristophanes]

Also I have considered on the off chance that you are town and I think it's unlikely. But lets pander to you and lets consider your actions. What will we have we really lost? A vanilla (or so you claim) townie who doesn't contribute anything to the game who uses a weak reason like apathy. Only when forced to L-1 and in danger of a lynch does he show any signs of contributing. So tell me what do we lose from my perspective?


I still think you are scum so take it as a compliment.

You compliment people in the weirdest of ways, but I'll take it. Lol

However, I lacked contribution. I know this. I will continue to sort the game if I am given a chance, as seen in my more recent posts, as I am feeling it far more than I was.

My apathy was unfortunate and hurt the town. I won't let that continue to be the case.

[Aristophanes]

'given a chance'
your lynch is stalled and no ones stepping up
what does a 'chance' look like to you

And have I not started to contribute?

[Aristophanes]

fe

Oh, the irony?

[Aristophanes]

Fe = iron, so irony. I'd rather Ari play the game than make weak jokes.

I honestly didn't get what he was saying!

I get it though, content over jokes because I've been inactive.

I'll see if I can finish going through people tn.
The drinks I plan to have may help...

[Aristophanes]

Also, liking Pers substantially, especially of late.

[Aristophanes]

Who is scum on the counter wagon?

I honestly don't think anyone is.

Though that may be unrealistic.

Also, Leo finally won a fucking Oscar!

So nothing is unrealistic anymore!

[Aristophanes]

well look how fast hat counter wagon was made as soon it was a option wow.

And this means I'm scum?

[Aristophanes]

I am just going to vote park on ari for the rest of the game now I don't give two fucks about this game and player base anymore. No ones putting in effort even when I do so what's the point of presenting cases anymore that's just how I feel about this game.


In fact I would prefer if rc was in this game.

So is this part of your "being really persuasive" In order to get your way?

Because this tactic is antitown.

[Aristophanes]

Welp, I guess Garmr is town probably then.

Why the fuck did you call him out on that!
Such atrocious play.

[Aristophanes]

Welp, I guess Garmr is town probably then.

Why the fuck did you call him out on that!
Such atrocious play.

Because if you are town. You and Johnny have been fucking horrible this game. Johnny should learn to hide his results better his a pathetic noob.

Man you're motivating.

[Aristophanes]

I don't think anyone is trying to belittle me this game except johnñy and ari. Johnny is dead and flipped town seriously antihero should of took johnñy spot day 1 john is a village idiot.
Ari is still scum
VOTE: ari

The fact ari was so hard to hammer while all the town players went through easy + the fact his scummy as fuck for reasons of day 1 and 2 should make it obvious.

Hahahahahahahahaha!
This post is funny on so many levels!

1) "Johnny was belittling me, that village idiot!" is just such a great sentiment. I hope you see the irony in it.
2) I don't believe I have belittled you. I defended Johnny, a townread. I called a bad play a bad play. None of that is belittling. If you mean my defences of Johnny and I, then I call it exactly that: a defence.
3) Please explain to me why my supposed scumteam would fight so hard to keep me alive if I were going to just sit here and do nothing last night-phase, as your fucking role has confirmed! Why would they go through that much trouble for me?? I would love to see your logic here.
4) I realize my reads have been very off this game, as my scumteam picks from D1 have now all been killed and flipped town. However, I was not the only one to pick them. Why am I scummy for having had bad reads?

[Aristophanes]

all caugh up
not much to say on the last ~7 pages

the backoff on the ari wagon has me really concerned
VOTE: ari

That was D1. We're talking about D2.

[Aristophanes]

all caugh up
not much to say on the last ~7 pages

the backoff on the ari wagon has me really concerned
VOTE: ari

That was D1. We're talking about D2.

i voted you on both days

Then why is there only 1 Ari vote in your ISO?

[Aristophanes]

I'm talking about D1, and he only voted you after it didn't mean anything. As he noted himself: "the

backoff

on the ari wagon has me really concerned."

Pers, his posturing to vote me without voting was on D2, this vote, which he used as a defense of it, occurred on D1.

Just trying to avoid confusion, since your original points and his response are incongruent.

Now you are discussing D1, yes, but only because he brought it us as a defense of his D2 play.

[Aristophanes]

he only voted you

after it didn't mean anything.

As he noted himself: "the backoff on

kind of funny
that youd argue
that my vote on ari didnt matter
and that its the backbone of your case
"case"

This isn't true, as I just mentioned. Nice try though.

[Aristophanes]

Also liking Nos a lot

[Aristophanes]

Pers, his posturing to vote me without voting was on D2, this vote, which he used as a defense of it, occurred on D1.

Just trying to avoid confusion, since your original points and his response are incongruent.

Now you are discussing D1, yes, but only because he brought it us as a defense of his D2 play.

I was going by ISO and not checking the full context, so I'll take your word for it. But I don't think droog has been pressured at all since he came in. What's your read on him?

I think the pressure is warranted and that his answers here are bad.

My read was nullish town because I had liked Cirno. However, as I look back it us possible he is scum.

I really dislike his answering your case from D2 events with a quote from D1, lied about voting me D2, and has been so in the background despite acting helpful.

I wouldn't have looked at him without you bringing him up because he has been forgettable in terms game.

I'd support a wagon here.

[Aristophanes]

Nos can you make a really good case on number one? I know you can.

Can you not, Dwlee?

[Aristophanes]

Nos can you make a really good case on number one? I know you can.

Can you not, Dwlee?

I want hasta dead though.

You can make multiple pushes at once.

If you believe both are scum, make cases on both!

[Aristophanes]

Boo

I ain't 'fraid a no ghost!

[Aristophanes]

great this towns already lost.

Why, because we're not mindlessly sheeping you?

[Aristophanes]

great this towns already lost.

Why, because we're not mindlessly sheeping you?

Because even through no one has a townread on you everyone is resitating it and it's impossible to lynch for no good reason thus town are retarded.

Am I really that much of a distraction to you?

How about rather than pushing a lynch everyone clearly doesn't want, you go and scumhunt elsewhere!

[Aristophanes]

Let's see, what has Garmr done today?

962: Calls Johnny a waste.
963: Calls me bad town.
962: Calls Johnny bad again and claims.
971: Votes me because "hard to lynch" and "see past cases."
974: Responds to me by putting Johnny down, claiming I wouldn't be bussed because it would out the scumteam, and restating that past cases stand.
1007: Gives up?
1009: Claims resistance to my lynch, though it looks like it is merely out of style now. Calls town retarded.

Garmr, please start scumhunting.
You want to see bad town, THIS^^^^^ IS BAD TOWN~

[Aristophanes]

Like you are so bullheadedly committed to lynching me that I don't think you even care my alignment anymore. You just want me dead.

You aren't scumhunting.
You aren't convincing anyone.
You are just in a deathtunnel going nowhere.

Get out of the damned tunnel and look around. Look at others and their cases.
Find someone to support!

If you want me lynched, maybe restate this case. But just saying "D1 & D2 case still stands" isn't going to get you any god damn support!

[Aristophanes]

I will admit that the shift off of me is weird. I think it's just because people got tired of this conversation and tired of trying to lynch me.

Dwlee, what

is

your current read of me?

Garmr, it's good that your views on others are shifting. That's actually great to hear! Would you mind posting some reads at some point, since you've claimed and may not make it through the night?

Hasta and Number one seem to be in the limelight at the moment, what is your stance on them?

Do you think Dwlee's shift off of me is scummy?

[Aristophanes]

^ lol

I mean, he has a decent point.

Wanna make a case or give a reason for not making one?

Why so flippant?

[Aristophanes]

ari has a decent point
gar your play is pretty bad today
ari in his apathy was more productive than this

I mean, Garmr and I had moved past this and he expanded on things.

Why did you feel the need to poke this point?

[Aristophanes]

Yeah, I'm not opposed to either. Hasta is a fine choice

[Aristophanes]

Still prod dodging until Tuesday. This game needs a more serious read.

Offhand I recall having a pretty strong townread on number, but I don't recall why. Also I recall us nearly stringing up aristo, getting stuck, and then killing some town rube instead. can someone explain why aristo is town again? And yes I also realize the irony that I'm on the wrong side of him again, apparently.

Garmr, does this read as scummy to you?

The whole "offhand, I remember *Insert plot of D2 here* happening yesterday. Why isn't that happening today?" is something that I eeally dislike.

We all know I was almost lynched. Why do you need to state that? Looks like busywork to me. That's also the kind of noncommittal proddodge I make as scum to keep people off my trail. Could easily see it here.

Also, pointing out which side he is on is weird.
Am I reading too much into this post?

[Aristophanes]

can you lynch the numbers after I am dead since this will probably be my last day alive.

Sure!
VOTE: Driog

[Aristophanes]

Well if scum took the time to keep aristo alive and you didn't get a tracker result out of him that night you would assume he's a ninja or something which is where I thought you were getting the idea of a ninja from.

^
I kinda got the same impression.

[Aristophanes]

Meh,I'll try to hone in later I guess.

Hasta raises a good point there.

[Aristophanes]

Hahaha wagoner again.
This is becoming quite humorous!

Do you guys wanna just lynch me for associatives yet? You've got like 3 wagons, opinions galore, and the dismantling of a wagon or two as well.
I'm, like,

the pinnacle

of mysterious associatives.

I'll gladly continue helping out, but this is getting ridiculous and I obviously shouldn't be left alive into LYLO.

[Aristophanes]

Haha that Scum Chat was.fun to read! You guys were really cohesive, while the town was really...well we were something else.

Well played guys!

I'm happy with this ending, as you did outplay us well!

Also, I disagree with the modkill/warning, but my apologies to everyone for pushing the boundaries there. It was never my intent to walk the line on rulebreaking territory.

[Aristophanes]

that moment when the town dr didn't protect the town cop or the town tracker i know that i was strong armed but still.........

Lol yep...

Also, no hard feelings Garmr.
I just got frustrated after so many days on the block.

[Aristophanes]

All good, I accepted the fact that it had to happen else we were doomed.
I'd have been east D4 mislynch bait if I'd survived again.