Mini 1761: Red Neighborhood - Day 2

[Dwlee99]

Yea idk why people arent town reading garmr, tbh.

[hasta_la_pasta]

My thought process was this. Insanity wasn't at the top of my town read list so when Johnny says she was obviously town - and thus the obvious choice for a scum - kill it pinged me.

[Garmr]

My thought process was this. Insanity wasn't at the top of my town read list so when Johnny says she was obviously town - and thus the obvious choice for a scum - kill it pinged me.

It's possible Johnny is scum I'm just worried about if his not because I got a mixed message from that post.

[Lowell]

dwlee and persivul are still town. Still not totally sold on ari being scum... I feel like I had a strong townread on him before this "OMG imma get lynched" weird gambit he's pulling now.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Aw I like insanity

Did anyone else find this post a little odd?

Yes.

what's bad about noncommittal?

So you think he would need to reposition knowing for a fact that Shrimp was town? Or you think he would need to be poised to jump to a counterwagon (which was him at the time)?

Remember that you might be playing at a higher/more subtle level than some of us. To beginners (and I think I'm just getting to the beginner level from the absolutely clueless level), yeah, fence-sitting comes across as scummy.

I'm not smart. You can follow what I'm saying right? Don't say an action is always scummy always, look at the context of the action and see if it makes sense.

Ari further proves my point right now. Would scum jump in right now or continue to let me defend them?

[Dwlee99]

I see it more as "Doig this makes someoke _ likely to be scum" and then the more things they do the more likely it is they are scum. That is just how my brain works.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I mean I do that too, I just pay more attention to context

[Number_0ne]

^^^^ this question. Are you worried about townblocks because you're not in them? If so, that's pretty damn scummy.

I didn't like your townbloc because you suggested it when people weren't townreading you. If you're suggesting a townbloc, then you're expecting all other townies to trust you on that townbloc, even if they're not on it. I didn't trust your townbloc because I didn't consider you to be in a position where you should be calling who's town.

Lol!
I'm totally gonna end up being the lynch for today.

Why do you say that?


I'm tired, will re-read and stuff tomorrow, especially Insanity and Ari.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Ari

Was going to hold this off for a bit to see his reactions but nah I'm voting this What we should of done yesterday.

[Dwlee99]

Johnny and garmr you think each other are town right?

[Garmr]

Johnny and garmr you think each other are town right?

Depends if what I'm thinking is right and johnny really is incompetent.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Gar is town. Just dumb. (And one of us spent the last 5 days pushing a mislynch so who's the incompetent one?)

[Garmr]

Gar is town. Just dumb. (And one of us spent the last 5 days pushing a mislynch so who's the incompetent one?)

Also people are ignoring that all his posts are pretty much empty.

That's not true at all.... They have Kpop gifs

P-edit: ooooh I like that one
VOTE: insanity

Meh to be honest I was pushing for a lynch before the time limit if the ari wagon picked up I would of jumped on to that over tbh it's day 1 as long I didn't mislynch a town power role I don't care about a mislynch to much. Also I have actually had enough games to have a decent record At finding scum as town. Sometimes I nail all the scum day 1 sometimes none at all but mostly I nail a decent amount over the game. If you think one wrong read = incompetence then you got a lot to learn.

I'm completely aware of how you came to town read me when nothing else has changed you make it so obvious and that's what pisses me off doesn't really effect me through I can be a dick through as town since I'm in a pretty good position right now.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I've played with enough terrible townies in my time to know a lost cause so we'll just end it here. Where's your vote, Gar?

[Garmr]

I've played with enough terrible townies in my time to know a lost cause so we'll just end it here. Where's your vote, Gar?

I feel the same about you you think to much of yourself when in fact you haven't nailed scum this game either you were wrong about me and insanity. My vote is on ari btw.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Why is your vote in Ari?

[JohnnyFarrar]

in/on blah

[Garmr]

Why is your vote in Ari?

I seriously don't know why you are bothering asking these things you know I'm town but if it wasn't obvious (or maybe you don't fucking remember shit) A majority of it is to do with yesterday he was was my preferred lynch but I could already see he wouldn't get the support yesterday from reading the flow of the game. People like you would of made that hard.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I mean just because you're town doesn't mean you can't be wrong. Treat me like I'm dumb, explain in simple words why Ari is scum.

[Garmr]

I mean just because you're town doesn't mean you can't be wrong. Treat me like I'm dumb, explain in simple words why Ari is scum.

I never said I can't be wrong I just said it's fucking stupid to dismiss someone because they were on one mislynch (day 1). Also the reasoning why Ari is scum isn't so simple but I will try Chief Wiggum (Is that character dumb enough)


Let see his voting habits are always on people when they pick up steam.

His stayed on the same two people since the start of the game.

His reads on those two people or others haven't evolved. He had like 3 town reads for like the whole day.

He made no attempt to try and read smrp even through it was a major wagon.

He hasn't really pushed his case on either of his supposed scum reads he just lets things go naturally.

His buddy attitude with a passive defense(not really dispelling any reason why you were scum just going oh that's johnnnyyy.) together lean to a scum motivation isntead of a town one.

You can see how he react when his omfortable he didn't take initiative.

447 goes in depth with the above points lets go to day 2.


672 his instanly trying to push that the scum kill was set up to set wifom on him that's not the reason people were scum reading him. I feel like he was trying to use it to push wifom on his slot in an attempt to throw off reads.

697
So it's day 2 he has a chance to commit to a scum read lets see what happens.

Garmr, I think your reactions are a bit over the top.
But I'll trust Johnny on you.

Also, Droog, what was that response to the flip (not that I should be talking ).

Pers, why are you criticizing Johnny for playing a fine tuned game rather ran taking it, working with it, and trying to get on his level? You almost seem to discredit him there for being

good

at mafia. Like wtf?

Dwlee, I was, in fact, apathetic to the lynch. I believe I said as much at some point. How was my overt apathy scummy?

Rica, care to expand upon how my play will get me killed, and whether or not it's scum indicative?

Lowell, what was weird about my post and what does it tell you?
I was surprised by the flip as I didn't expect an Insanity kill, thought about my D1 play, and considered my meta. I am so likely to be lynched today you wouldn't believe it!

Hasta, that post really said nothing. What are your thoughts now that we have a flip?

Johnny, are you saying you want my lynch for info? Because it looks to me like you'd be okay with that atm.

So with all this text does he commit to a read no he hasn't what that tells me when combined with his earlier post? He expects to be lynched today and his trying to minimize information. I don't think town would do that do you?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I mean just because you're town doesn't mean you can't be wrong. Treat me like I'm dumb, explain in simple words why Ari is scum.

I never said I can't be wrong I just said it's fucking stupid to dismiss someone because they were on one mislynch (day 1). Also the reasoning why Ari is scum isn't so simple but I will try Chief Wiggum (Is that character dumb enough)

If I were dismissing you I wouldn't be asking you reasons for things. Keep up.

Let see his voting habits are always on people when they pick up steam.

I know right? Like when he voted Rica? Or when he never jumped on the Shrimp wagon?

His stayed on the same two people since the start of the game.

So have I. Having few scumreads is scummy?

His reads on those two people or others haven't evolved. He had like 3 town reads for like the whole day.

How should those reads have evolved? Is someone who disagrees with you scummy?

He made no attempt to try and read smrp even through it was a major wagon.

He was also just not posting, so are you scumreading him for lurking?

He hasn't really pushed his case on either of his supposed scum reads he just lets things go naturally.

He pushed insanity fine enough.

His buddy attitude with a passive defense(not really dispelling any reason why you were scum just going oh that's johnnnyyy.) together lean to a scum motivation isntead of a town one.

Why is acting friendly with a friend scummy?

You can see how he react when his omfortable he didn't take initiative.

Some people don't take initiative. Deal with it.

672 his instanly trying to push that the scum kill was set up to set wifom on him that's not the reason people were scum reading him. I feel like he was trying to use it to push wifom on his slot in an attempt to throw off reads.

Not an unreasonable thing to think

697
So it's day 2 he has a chance to commit to a scum read lets see what happens.

Garmr, I think your reactions are a bit over the top.
But I'll trust Johnny on you.

Also, Droog, what was that response to the flip (not that I should be talking ).

Pers, why are you criticizing Johnny for playing a fine tuned game rather ran taking it, working with it, and trying to get on his level? You almost seem to discredit him there for being

good

at mafia. Like wtf?

Dwlee, I was, in fact, apathetic to the lynch. I believe I said as much at some point. How was my overt apathy scummy?

Rica, care to expand upon how my play will get me killed, and whether or not it's scum indicative?

Lowell, what was weird about my post and what does it tell you?
I was surprised by the flip as I didn't expect an Insanity kill, thought about my D1 play, and considered my meta. I am so likely to be lynched today you wouldn't believe it!

Hasta, that post really said nothing. What are your thoughts now that we have a flip?

Johnny, are you saying you want my lynch for info? Because it looks to me like you'd be okay with that atm.

So with all this text does he commit to a read no he hasn't what that tells me when combined with his earlier post? He expects to be lynched today and his trying to minimize information. I don't think town would do that do you?

You have written this narrative. He might be scum, sure, but this minimizing information thing is something you've made up. He asked a bunch of questions! What more do you want from him aside from a game breaking case (which spoiler: none of us have, it's day two and nothing but townies are dead.)

[Garmr]

I mean just because you're town doesn't mean you can't be wrong. Treat me like I'm dumb, explain in simple words why Ari is scum.

I never said I can't be wrong I just said it's fucking stupid to dismiss someone because they were on one mislynch (day 1). Also the reasoning why Ari is scum isn't so simple but I will try Chief Wiggum (Is that character dumb enough)

If I were dismissing you I wouldn't be asking you reasons for things. Keep up.

Yes you are dismissive your entire response proves that. Also saying shit like bad town ect when you haven't proved yourself any better fuck I am town read by the majority here and you wasted that on me seriously and was so obvious about it seriously learn to play your not making it through tonight lol.

Let see his voting habits are always on people when they pick up steam.

I know right? Like when he voted Rica? Or when he never jumped on the Shrimp wagon?

But the two wagons he did vote did pick up steam and he shifted between them depending on which one had the most steam also he was offering to hammer srmp (now that I read it he makes remarks how smrp looks scummy but never votes him and keeps in the back pocket never posting a case on it.)

His stayed on the same two people since the start of the game.

So have I. Having few scumreads is scummy?

Yes it is when you make no effort to push these scum reads a bunch of the stuff he said is just asking questions and never doing anything with the anwsers.

His reads on those two people or others haven't evolved. He had like 3 town reads for like the whole day.

How should those reads have evolved?

Is someone who disagrees with you scummy?

Wow way to be a scrub I can tell you are a lost cause that's not what i'm saying at all. I am saying he adds nothing new to his case (he has no case at all.)

He made no attempt to try and read smrp even through it was a major wagon.

He was also just not posting, so are you scumreading him for lurking?

After rereading I saw that he posted a artificial read on smrp making that point null but raising a new issue. Also why are you trying to find excuses for ari I think your letting your friendship get in the way of actually reading him for how is scum. Look your answer here has nothing to do with the original question (it's like you lack the ability to play mafia.) If you went and looked You would of brought up the artificial read he had. Instead you twisted my reasoning into something else. but I will scratch this point.

He hasn't really pushed his case on either of his supposed scum reads he just lets things go naturally.

He pushed insanity fine enough.

Do you have Alzheimer's? no he didn't He sheeped you originally HE MADE NO FUCKING CASE AT ALL

Spoiler: all his post on insanity

Ah, that makes much more sense. Thanks Dwylee.

Sheep: Johnny

I mean,
VOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Aristophanes

Why do you have to specify that you're sheeping Johnny? Why can't you just vote like everyone else?

How could you not after that gif?

See, Johnny gets it.

And I sheeped him because the other votes sucked.

Town block right now is aristo, skull and dr circno.

Not sure where I want to vote rn, what about you, aristo? Where you feeling the scum are?

Ricastle and Insanity both strike me as odd thus far. That's where I'd like to start.

VOTE: Ricastle

Yeah, I'm good with this for sure
VOTE: insanity

Their only content post is the one Lowell pointed out as bad, and I agree with his assertions about it.

@Insanity,
It's called D1 apathy.
I get it a lot on this forum as I'm still more accustomed to shorter days from my old forums.

When D1 lasts 2 weeks I start to lose interest. It usually returns once we have a lynch or two under our belts.

He makes so much case doesn't he johnny !!!!!

His buddy attitude with a passive defense(not really dispelling any reason why you were scum just going oh that's johnnnyyy.) together lean to a scum motivation isntead of a town one.

Why is acting friendly with a friend scummy?

The point is he fucking passively defending you because if he really did town read you he would have committal doing it and actually argue the point that were used against you he did not thus it comes off as a cheesy attempt to gain your favor. When you combine that with his attitude towards it shows your buddy like fuck and I doubt anything I can say will change your mind.

You can see how he react when his comfortable he didn't take initiative.

Some people don't take initiative. Deal with it.

yeh but is that ari? Don't you think with all his post he might want to you know contribute something. Also what town reasoning does he not want to contribute? You are just defending him becuase you have confirmation bias.

672 his instanly trying to push that the scum kill was set up to set wifom on him that's not the reason people were scum reading him. I feel like he was trying to use it to push wifom on his slot in an attempt to throw off reads.

Not an unreasonable thing to think

His saying this unprompted no one even said that about him and what you said doesn't even discredit that fact. Seriously can't you respond with better points your conf bias is showing?

697
So it's day 2 he has a chance to commit to a scum read lets see what happens.

Garmr, I think your reactions are a bit over the top.
But I'll trust Johnny on you.

Also, Droog, what was that response to the flip (not that I should be talking ).

Pers, why are you criticizing Johnny for playing a fine tuned game rather ran taking it, working with it, and trying to get on his level? You almost seem to discredit him there for being

good

at mafia. Like wtf?

Dwlee, I was, in fact, apathetic to the lynch. I believe I said as much at some point. How was my overt apathy scummy?

Rica, care to expand upon how my play will get me killed, and whether or not it's scum indicative?

Lowell, what was weird about my post and what does it tell you?
I was surprised by the flip as I didn't expect an Insanity kill, thought about my D1 play, and considered my meta. I am so likely to be lynched today you wouldn't believe it!

Hasta, that post really said nothing. What are your thoughts now that we have a flip?

Johnny, are you saying you want my lynch for info? Because it looks to me like you'd be okay with that atm.

So with all this text does he commit to a read no he hasn't what that tells me when combined with his earlier post? He expects to be lynched today and his trying to minimize information. I don't think town would do that do you?

You have written this narrative. He might be scum, sure, but this minimizing information thing is something you've made up. He asked a bunch of questions! What more do you want from him aside from a game breaking case (which spoiler: none of us have, it's day two and nothing but townies are dead.)

Let me that question I want committal I want stances I want him to show his actually thinking who's scum and who's not.. He shows none of that. Also are you a fucking scrub tell me if ari flipped scum after reading ari's post who would you label as his scum partner? That's what I meant by limiting information. Also any scum bozo can ask questions what has he done with those questions? Nothing he has done nothing his reads didn't update he doesn't show what he thinks of the answers nothing. That's fucking scummy man.

[JohnnyFarrar]

The mistake you seem to be making is assuming people should be more confident than they are, it's fine you'll learn that with time. Also there seems to be a language barrier here because a couple things you said confuse me. 1. What did I waste? 2. I've clearly stated on multiple occasions I find Ari scummy just don't like the reasons people have for voting him 3. Pushing is not the same as "making a case" as "cases" on day one are usually filled with half reasons and bullshit. 4. (This one's my fault for being vague) I was actually agreeing with you when I said "Not an unreasonable thought"

If Ari was keeping a vote for Shrimp in his back pocket why wouldn't he have pulled it out when Ari ended up being the counterwagon?

If Ari flipped scum I'd look at the talk surrounding his wagon day one and the people talking (and not talking) about him today? There's plenty of information.

[Garmr]

The mistake you seem to be making is assuming people should be more confident than they are, it's fine you'll learn that with time. Also there seems to be a language barrier here because a couple things you said confuse me. 1. What did I waste? 2. I've clearly stated on multiple occasions I find Ari scummy just don't like the reasons people have for voting him 3. Pushing is not the same as "making a case" as "cases" on day one are usually filled with half reasons and bullshit. 4. (This one's my fault for being vague) I was actually agreeing with you when I said "Not an unreasonable thought"

If Ari was keeping a vote for Shrimp in his back pocket why wouldn't he have pulled it out when Ari ended up being the counterwagon?

If Ari flipped scum I'd look at the talk surrounding his wagon day one and the people talking (and not talking) about him today? There's plenty of information.

There's no language barrier I was just being convert about about it but you going to ask anyway.

1.Your power role is what you wasted. It's obvious your shift from garmr looks suspicious to garmrs just stupid town has something to do with a power role and people don't want to say it because they are hoping scum is dumb enough not to picked it up which I doubt. You could of used it better since anyone else wouldn't of used it on me or you could be at least subtle about it by like waiting half the day and faking a reason to town read me and dropping a hint in there. You just sentenced me to death by a night kill after you die and I was enjoying working out this game out. That's why I'm so frustrated you of dropped your results in such a better way.


2. You have a great way of showing it your just getting in the way of ari and defending him as hard as possible you are basically killing his wagon. What do you find him scummy for btw?

3.yes cases are normally full of bullshit but what exactly did he push asking a question is not pushing either since he never followed up that's a scum tactic to make it appear like you are doing something when you are not. None of his post look like his trying to work out the game it's like knows what's up and his trying to avoid being caught in the spot light.

4. ok then.

[Dwlee99]

I didnt pick up on it, scum could have missed it ;-; Wekp rip the people in my town blockerino.
VOTE: Ari