Mini 1761: Red Neighborhood - Day 2

[droog]

yo

[droog]

Town block right now is aristo, skull and dr circno.

Not sure where I want to vote rn, what about you, aristo? Where you feeling the scum are?

Ricastle and Insanity both strike me as odd thus far. That's where I'd like to start.

VOTE: Ricastle

i had to ask myself
"who is ricastle"

I could hammer right now!

thats all she wrote
your feeling feels strained

[droog]

Ricastle, why merely point out that you could hammer?
What was the point of that post?

Because to me it looks like you were trying to cash in on easy town points for later.

youre looking too much into it

[droog]

VOTE: Dwlee99
I'm not in that town bloc so obviously it's a scum bloc

weird vote
it doesnt develop any alternatives
it just pushes the same pushed wagon

[droog]

Seems concerned with his image here a little to much.

im not seeing it
especially with the last post you quoted
looks like he just doesnt know how things work here

[droog]

I had merely made a statement and was clarifying it. It was a logic leap, for sure. I wanted a response though

I did get one, where he laughs it off basically, which I didn't really like.

you made a logic leap
and dislike he laughed it off?
thats exactly what you do with
logic leaps

[droog]

cern I see is him trying to be friendly with Dwee. His reactions read more genuine than fake imo and if you think he's a newer player, as I do, you

johnny so far is speaking
a lot of sense

[droog]

droog we can't keep meeting like this

Spoiler:

[droog]

Yeah, I'm good with this for sure
VOTE: insanity

Their only content post is the one Lowell pointed out as bad, and I agree with his assertions about it.

i wonder if you recanted
after insanity started posting more

[droog]

Yeah, Dwlee's been irritating me pretty badly thus far. I didn't make the leap that it was because he was scum, which was indicative of apathy on my part more than anything.

VOTE: Dwlee99

i find it weird the dwee wagon
till has life this far in
but insanity gave a good reason
(buddying)
and ricastle seems genuine
i give a pass

[droog]

I like dwlee this game. Shoots from the hip. Not afraid to be annoying. Town.

townreading this just for
going against the consensus

[droog]

Yeah, Ricastle's vote and 'reasoning' is awful. Not really opportunistic to jump on a wagon that now has 2 votes but definitely lazy at best.

eh fair point

[droog]

I do find it weird that I agree with the Insanity, Rica, Random scum trio. It is just too easy and agreed upon by too many people.

[droog]

Yeah, I can't really hope to match this level of obnoxiousness. It's buffoonery at best - that, or excited scum, which is a perfectly reasonable option and I don't really understand how people aren't seeing that.

I definitely think at least 1 of the more active players is scum, let's just say that.

this is weak but not bad
not leaning town on rica anymore
but not leaning scum either

[droog]

Yea I'm sad nos cause now I doubt myself. Last time I tried super hard to get someone lynched from the beginning of day 1 they were town so now I'm even less sure. :/

what made you doubt your read? You realized you dident have a case and backed off, hoping I would unvote and give you an easy wagon?

No thats not happening.[/quote
conspiracy theory tier
on a lynchbait target

[droog]

broadly agree with gamrs case
against ari
in 447
will reconsider his smrp point

he and insanity both have reads there

[droog]

all caugh up
not much to say on the last ~7 pages

the backoff on the ari wagon has me really concerned
VOTE: ari

[droog]

insanity is a strong townread

im not seeing fluff from johnny
he says some senseful things
town read

most of the rest falls into null category

ricastly moved from town lean to scum lean
i could endorse a srmp wagon
but i dont feel strongly about it like ari

[droog]

ive seen enough of you
to know everyone thinks your bad
(a little unfairly i think)
and you become lynchbait for it

the wagon on you wasnt great
i was suspect of it
nothing youve said has impressed me either way

[droog]

yes

[droog]

bad player
most of my impression involves ongoing games
but even here people are bullyciding dwee
for being a bad player

i dont think he is
but it fueled the big fast wagon
and the votes that kept popping up

all of which im suspect of

[droog]

though so many players voted dwee
that i wouldnt scumread it by itself

[droog]

i agree
people just latch onto the idea
mafiascum can be harsh

this creates weird lynch dynamics
which are worth looking at
though im not that excited by it atm

its not really relevant anymore though
well talk about it endgame

[droog]

Droog! Long time no see!

hey!

on rica
my townlean was because of his early behavior
with more posts i stopped townleaning
i guess it 'diluted' my read
i couldnt really explain it in a sensibel way
call it 'gut' if you like

[droog]

im ok with smrp lynch
but its not my preference
and i dont really have a strong opinion there

i would like to see a claim
after which ill decide intent

[droog]

Aw I like insanity

[droog]

Prodge

[droog]

im here
the sudden resistance to the ari wagon
now that it's close to going through
is troubling

[droog]

Claim?

Sure!
I've got a God Given Skill!
My voice counts, right?

i still like you

[droog]

not sure what to make of gar
already like johnny as town
dont have his experience with gar though

nothing hes done strikes me as scummy or towny
so i do think declaring a 'town bloc' is premature

[droog]

I'm trying to read into Johnny today. After his first post pinged me I noticed he's been aggressive but I'm not seeing the same push towards Rica started yesterday and I think that was a good push. I probably should have VOTE: rica before it was too late.

by 'his first post pinged me'
do you mean youre leaning scum or town

i want to know why youre sheeping his push

[droog]

dwee has 216 posts
and its mostly null to me

[droog]

i am willing to hammer ari
there has been significant slowdown there
and resisntance

i want to develop a few other reads
give everyone some time
and hammer

[droog]

ugh, after re-reading, I totally see garmr's case here... and from johnny's inconsistencies on aristo from D1 to today, I can see associatives should aristo flip scum...

but I really dislike going against my gut-read of him.. the cognative dissonance rn

waffling
not in anatural way

[droog]

I think johnny might be letting his friendships get in the way of the game tbh.

this is the first thing youve said
that i really like

i like johnny but i kind of agree
still think hes town

[droog]

Ari, hypothetically, if you were to survive today and you were scum, who would you pick to night kill?

this is a really weird question
i dont like playing the 'scumhunting weird is scummy' game
but i dont see what the point of this question is
if not to try incruminating ari casually

[droog]

and since youre not voting ari
i really dont see the point
can yo talk about that please?

[droog]

broadly agree with gamrs case
against ari
in 447
will reconsider his smrp point

he and insanity both have reads there

all caugh up
not much to say on the last ~7 pages

the backoff on the ari wagon has me really concerned
VOTE: ari

where'd the scum-read go droog?

i havent backed off it

[droog]

Why do you care about the day ending prematurely when you're admittedly in a state of apathy and aren't doing a shred of scum hunting anyway? Same goes to Johnny. Time alone doesn't generate better reads. You guys haven't done anything to advance the game today, so your protests about a shortened phase ring hollow.

great point
i think im going to go through persuvil
and dwee

i sometimes get my best townreads
after agreeing with sometihng like this

[droog]

esterday's wagon and today:

Some Random Mafia Player [7]: Dwlee, Garmr, insanity018, Lowell, Nosferatu, Persivul, Ricastle
Aristophanes [5]: Ricastle, Garmr, Persivul, Lowell, Dwlee99

thats garmr loweell and persuvil
oh and dwee

do you have a lean there?
which of those 4 leads do you want to chase

[droog]

That's because scum know they'll hear about it once I flip town.

I'd have been bussed already if I were scum.

so which scum are waffling?
who among those who have wanted to hammer you
but havent

(and i think thats at least me and number_one)
do you think is scum

[droog]

nvm im already on you

[droog]

droog where's your vote

ari

and why are you so hands off?

its affecting all my games
i think im losing mafia fever ftm
explaining why is a massive tldr non sequitur
ill step it up a little

[droog]

'given a chance'
your lynch is stalled and no ones stepping up
what does a 'chance' look like to you

[droog]

fe

[droog]

?

[droog]

fe = fair enough

[droog]

id be willing to lynch rica
had a minor scumlean yest
ill take a look at what he said today
but is there a reason we moved off ari?

[droog]

Also my ari case is simple.

His passive defense of you while being all friendly is him trying to get in your good books.

Look at his voting habits they are just rica and insanity and he is always on the one which is picking up steam when he jumps off onto insanity at post 177 the rica wagon is dying yet the insanity wagon is growing. He stay on the wagon till it deflates and jump on rica again. Then this is not shown in the vote counts but ria had johnny,dwlee,nof and the votes on insanity were declining so he jumped back on rica.

What does that add up to well when you consider what I post next then it will make sense

Ari is scum in a comfortable postion his got two wagons that seem to always garner support support. His reads are not dynamic. Seriously look on them in his 36 posts then ask what has he done to change/update them. Nothing

idk about the rest of you
but im not voting ari because of apathy today
his yesterday was weak

[droog]

i dont like this wagon
i dont like how creepily its built up
with no opposition
or how it replaced the ari wagon

theres scum on it im sure
going to look and see who

[droog]

oh come on ive bene asleep

[droog]

i dont like this wagon
i had a minor scumread on rica
but the way this unfolded is weird
id rather lynch ari

[droog]

Oh come on everyone gets parinoinds when dwlees close to hammer yet when ria close to hammer everyone's fine.

backing like this
does not make you question willingness to hammer?

[droog]

Ricastle's ISO looks like shit, and he's announced that he isn't going to play the game, but neither is he going to replace. Someone just hammer him FFS.

doesnt show scum motivation
why not wait for sub out?

[droog]

Also what is up with these forced johnny town reads that pop up every once in a while. He post superficial shit you should be null or scum reading him at most depending on your outlook on things.

Have any of you ev

er read the guide to the perfect scum game? Because this is almost a direct ex

ample of one of the strategies. Constantly attack a town player without actually committing to vote him or put him in any real danger of being lynched, everyone lets you be because you look like you have stances. Put your money where your mouth is Gar.

Insanity was obviously town, not a lot to gain from her ISO except taking whatever she said to heart now that we know for a fact she was town.

Speaking of ISO, I did some reading on a few people last night and here's what I've come up with:

I won't be voting Gar. He's town, he's just bad at it.

Ari's flip will give us a load of information regardless of alignment. If day one's wagons were town v.

[droog]

Welp, I guess Garmr is town probably then.

Why the fuck did you call him out on that!
Such atrocious play.

i agree with you for once
on both counts

johnny's iso looks to me
like he checked gar n1
he says "gar is town" more than once too

[droog]

The four of you are far from protown right now in chosing to belittleing a player that is supoosedly one of your own.

how do you get in my posts
that im belittling gar
and who made you moral mafia king

[droog]

Lowell, I think your end-day voting has been too laxed.
Yesterday you brought Ari to L-1 without mention. After that you hammered Ric without intent.

This isn't the kind of voting that's going to win in a do or die situation.

?

[droog]

Lowell, I think your end-day voting has been too laxed.
Yesterday you brought Ari to L-1 without mention. After that you hammered Ric without intent.

This isn't the kind of voting that's going to win in a do or die situation.

?

It seems anti town to me to be voting haphazardly with seemingly little thought or awareness to the voting situation.
It could signify newbish play but considering how experienced Lowell is...

whats your current loweell read

[droog]

Pretends that he'll vote ari but doesn't:

but i did vote ari
i wouldve hammered if possible

[droog]

all caugh up
not much to say on the last ~7 pages

the backoff on the ari wagon has me really concerned
VOTE: ari

[droog]

all caugh up
not much to say on the last ~7 pages

the backoff on the ari wagon has me really concerned
VOTE: ari

That was D1. We're talking about D2.

i voted you on both days

[droog]

he only voted you

after it didn't mean anything.

As he noted himself: "the backoff on

kind of funny
that youd argue
that my vote on ari didnt matter
and that its the backbone of your case
"case"

[droog]

i didnt vote you yesterday
shit

[droog]

i swear i thought i had

[droog]

ari has a decent point
gar your play is pretty bad today
ari in his apathy was more productive than this

[droog]

I'd like to share a few thoughts tomorrow but for tonight I'll drop a couple questions.

Droog, can you share your thoughts on Persivul?
Persivul, what are you're thoughts on me?

im debating
ive had a little of my own apathy

i think i had pers as town
but after his weird case on me
(i think it was weird at least, can elaborate on why)
i need to rethink that

lets call it nullscum atm

[droog]

^ lol

gr8 b8 m8 no d-b8 i r8 8/8 plz no h8

really a better case than anything gar said

[droog]

ari has a decent point
gar your play is pretty bad today
ari in his apathy was more productive than this

I mean, Garmr and I had moved past this and he expanded on things.

Why did you feel the need to poke this point?

1) reading through it looked like
one of the bigger arguments to start the day
i weighted in

2) you said something i thought was right
i generally townread that and factored it into my read

[droog]

3) gar is apparently weak
and blows up at the slightest provocation

"waaaah someone called me weak"

[droog]

edibility was only after I started pushing on dwlee so it was scum motivated. I don't believ

???
i said that dwee saying 'lol'
after your case of him being useless
demonstrates how useless he is

[droog]

What I'm saying is that scum droog being unable to lynch me is trying to discredit me with really bad posts like this

[...]


This shows he wants me on a one mind focused track. Because he started posting this shit after I started to show signs of not focusing on ari. Because he wasn't even concerned with me before when he was posting day 3.

insane troll logic
where i both
"unable to lynch me is trying to discredit me"
"wasnt even concerned with me"

i said you had crap play and a good case
get over yourself

[droog]

He quickly discards my reasoning on ari. Even through he has been constantly using it through out the game to keep a scum read on ari. He pretty knows why I wanted ari lynched. Nothing has changed none of my points on ari had been refuted in fact after yesterdays lynch he should be even more suspicious as to why ari survived. But what is he doing now his bagging my my entire reasoning and focus on ari. It's because it's not the popular opinion.

i also dont discard your case on ari
from yesterday

i still scumread ari
(though less heavily than before)
and would happily lynch it

all i said is that your angry play
was not goood
and ari had a point

[droog]

You want to see bad town, THIS^^^^^ IS BAD TOWN~

but this is what i was agreeing with
not any one particular point about a 'deathtunnel'

(and im more convinced than ever now that ari was right here)

just because i scumread the guy
doesnt mean he cant be rigth occasionally
why cant i have both positions here

[droog]

1. is entirely wrong because i still have a solid case on ari and that's why my vote was on him plus at the time I was considering other people I didn't pull that dwlee case out of thin air I been thinking about for some time I just wasn't to vocal because I wanted dwlee to bus.

2.day 2 proved differently I got the wagon to l-1 I was just venting my frustration before i got into it.

3 day 2 proves that wrong.

i will give you that
looking at it again

accusing you of both deathtunnelling and not scumhunting
is trying to have it both ways on ari's part

[droog]

actually
lemme look at 1011 again
i mostly read ari's points from mem

[droog]

Droog why u flailin bro

dwee why are your posts weak brah

[droog]

lol k

[droog]

i guess ive attracted a lynch mob
ill be away most of tomorrow
no quicklynch plz

[droog]

Dwlee is town

can you expound on this
i find that iso pretty empty
a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma

[droog]

Ok coming into this day, I had Lowell and #1 in mind as top scumspects. But I'll admit that the last two flips threw me off a bit. First Ric straight out claims that he doesn't care about the game and so of course is flipped, then Johnny peels off the game without commenting on the wagon he inspired and flips cop. There's really no chance of town winning with lackluster play like this. I mean, Gar should be confirmed town now because of Johnny's hints but in the back of my mind I'm still kind of wondering what he was really thinking since he never showed back up. And now #1 is gone without any explanation. What's the deal here??

Anyway, I still think #1 is a good target and I think Nos is a pretty town for calling him and out and sticking with it. But it pings me to see people -- Lowell, Pers, Ari, Dwlee -- be okay with a vote on *either* me or him, without trying to zone in on one.

i like this post for some gutsy reason i cant articulate
it makes me want to move off my earlier hasta scumlean

hm
you have a fair point on those 4 slots

hasta what do you make of the wagon on me
its the biggest new development and you didnt mention it

which of those 4 do you suspect more rn

and why do you think #1 is a good target
despite thinking its odd that people want both you and him?

[droog]

VOTE: ari