Mini 1761: Red Neighborhood - Day 2

[Lowell]

VOTE: number one

aristo and johnny are town. love early and hilarious wagons.

[Lowell]

Meh. My point was Aristophanes specifying that he was sheeping Johnny's vote (ie Sheep: Johnny. Vote Dwlee) was weird compared to just voting Dwlee (ie Vote Dwlee for any real or RVS reason). Could have been a (very weak) indication that he wanted to avoid taking responsibility for his vote.

@Lowell, why are Aristophanes and Johnny town?

Dwlee, again, why is Aristophanes town? Also, at this point your 'townbloc' essentially just means that you already have three town reads. Why is that something hasta

had

to comment compared to anything else in the thread?

p-edit: Garmr might be town. I was thinking that about Skullmaster as well, particularly about post 27.

UNVOTE: whoever

VOTE: insanity

This post is exceptionally bad. Hard to explain why, but it is. That it's hard to explain why is one of the things I don't like about it (be with me here, people!).

Essentially, insanity wants to act as narrator here. She peppers a bunch of non-committal thoughts without investing in anything enough to be challenged on it. Saying "oh hey X might be down... what do you think, y" is the worst kind of post. Have courage.

Also, arist and johnny are town because of the awesome page 1 wagon. That you're so concerned about my townreads (and dwee's) rings alarm bells. Do you think I'm wrong? Tell me why, then. If not, then your reaction is scummy and you sound like someone nervous that they haven't made anyone's happy list yet.

[Lowell]

Insanity, get back here and say something bland so that I can rally more votes on you, please.

More insanity votes. Johnny's doing it, gangl. SRMP too... he might be bussing, but whatever. Let's do it.

[Lowell]

I like dwlee this game. Shoots from the hip. Not afraid to be annoying. Town.

[Lowell]

I like dwlee this game. Shoots from the hip. Not afraid to be annoying. Town.

Have I played any games with you?

No idea. I mean "this game" to distinguish it from any other games in which you may or may not be like this. I don't want you to think I'm some sort of dwlee fanboy in what I'm saying.

[Lowell]

Eh, ric is fine, I guess. But insanity is better. Notice how she disappeared.

My townbloc is johnny, aristo, dwlee, and me. Anyone disagree?

[Lowell]

UNVOTE: insanity

while the post pointed out earlier was bad, I like their posting since then.

Didn't I call it that this guy might be bussing? Insanity/SRMP for scumteam 2016!

[Lowell]

Someone remind me why ric is scummier than the obviously obviously scummy SRMP and insanity? I'm a little turned off by how quickly some folks want to abandon those wagons

[Lowell]

Lowell but can you explain how your thoughts have evolved since 117?
It seems like you've been trying to provoke Insanity without commenting much on her subsequent contributions.

On the other hand, SRMP hasn't really taken any hard stances and seems null to me.

You mean the contribution where she says "oh, I don't know, guys, maybe Lowell could be scum?" I'd call that (a) useless, and (b) WIFOMy.

In general I disagree with you on how you read people in this game. Whereas you say "SRMP hasn't really taken any hard stances" and conclude he is null, I say the same and conclude he is scum.

[Lowell]

@insanity- you're never going to win this "insanity v. lowell" battle you're trying to set up. doesn't matter how my text-walls you build. no one's going to buy it. might as well quit while you're behind.

@SRMP- I don't like one bit where you seize my comment about "non-committal equals scum" and use it against hasta. It looks like buddying (with me and him), even though you're (probably smartly, in your mind) using an example about yourself. I'm sure it feels pretty clever to act like you're taking the high road and helping hasta to come around on a scumread on you, but it still looks like coaching and trying too hard to say "see, guys, I don't care if you think I'm scum, I just want to help!"

FTR, I'm quite sure hasta is noob-town. I don't think scum (even newbie scum) would make such a weird comment about how equivocation on all things is null. I think he just honestly doesn't see how scum normally try to hide in games like this. Call it a teaching moment.

[Lowell]

The more I play mafia the more I realize it is just people screaming at each other and then random lynching, hasta.

^^^^^

(it's fun, tho)

[Lowell]

THAnk you for Those Wise clArificationS, Puzzles are indeed fun, diamOnd sentINel, now i beTter know the ruLES... and knowing iS half the battle!

[Lowell]

I have newbie town reads on both hasta and number one. Good for them, I guess, but wow, that 376 and 382 exchange.

Arist, hasta, number, and dwlee are my fellow townies. We're a good group. I am going to leave Johnny out of it for now. I hate to admit I was wrong, but reading him in ISO I'm not sure what I saw, other than a few fun early posts. Whatever. It's early, I'll figure it out.

[Lowell]

Why hasta?

Just gut, I guess. Newbie scum are quieter and ask fewer dumb questions.

Also FYI all I'll be out Saturday and most of Sunday.

[Lowell]

I don't see the Ari case at all. Even after it was literally spelled out for me in big block letters.

UNVOTE: insanity

I also don't see what people see in insanity. She's scum, and she's going to hang around winning buddies to take her to endgame. This isn't going to go away. But whatever.

VOTE: SRMP

This one I like a lot more than Ari. My only reservation on this is that Ari clearly is the more experienced player of the two, so I could be the rube playing right into the "distract town by picking on some noob" plan. But I don't think so. I've seen many a newbie town vibes (hasta and number one come to mind) but get none from him.

[Lowell]

I reread ari's iso based on your push. I have to say I'm a little bit starting to buy it. I gave johnny and ari a pass for similar reasons on the first couple pages. In ari's case he does seem to just be cruising. Still not a scumread, but point taken, I'll move him into my neutral camp.

[Lowell]

also putting up V/LA tag, as I may be without internet for the next couple of days.

[Lowell]

I of course put myself in a town block. What's the point of having a town block and not putting oneself in it? Is that supposed to be modesty or something? As for town blocks, I don't use them or not use them particularly, it's just how I read each game. Sometimes I find it easier to identify scum, other times I can identify town. This game I got townreads before I got scumreads. At any rate, I'm not sure the problem you have with "town blocks" generally. What's the difference between that and saying "I think these ppl are scum, while these ppl I think are town?"

[Lowell]

THAnk you for Those Wise clArificationS, Puzzles are indeed fun, diamOnd sentINel, now i beTter know the ruLES... and knowing iS half the battle!

I missed this the first time around, but this is 100% your ONLY warning. You MAY NOT even pretend to break the rules, especially in a disrespectful manner. Next time WILL be a modkill.

That goes for you, too, Aristophanes.

Are you serious right now? Chill the hell out. Also any rules that prohibit idiots from crumbing their roles like idiots are, in fact, pointless.

Mod Note: It is a well known rule that pretending to break the rules carries the same weight as actually breaking them. You've played on here for nearly 10 years now, so you should know that rule. There is a point where my "chill" has its limits, and that's one of them.

[Lowell]

Damn I was hoping I could hammer this.

Aristo or Johnny, come do this.

Also I'm back. Will reread tomorrow.

[Lowell]

^^^^ this question. Are you worried about townblocks because you're not in them? If so, that's pretty damn scummy.

[Lowell]

well, guess I just won the thread then...

[Lowell]

Enough to kill her?

[Lowell]

Aristo's post is weird. Why specifically do you deserve my vote? You weren't the only one who didn't like insanity.

[Lowell]

dwlee and persivul are still town. Still not totally sold on ari being scum... I feel like I had a strong townread on him before this "OMG imma get lynched" weird gambit he's pulling now.

[Lowell]

Honestly, and I'm going to get pilloried for this because I'm sure it's anit-town, but frankly I just haven't been paying much attention beyond the first part of D1. I had a "town block" based on early reads and just sort of coasted on those reads hoping not to die. So now, when folks who have clearly been paying more attention all find you scummy, then yeah, I'm going to have to think about it.

[Lowell]

Still haven't really caught up on stuff, sorry.

Honestly, and I'm going to get pilloried for this because I'm sure it's anit-town, but frankly I just haven't been paying much attention beyond the first part of D1. I had a "town block" based on early reads and just sort of coasted on those reads hoping not to die. So now, when folks who have clearly been paying more attention all find you scummy, then yeah, I'm going to have to think about it.

Lowell, what is a town block to you? We've sort of discussed this stuff a few times and I'm wondering if we're just misunderstanding each other and thinking about different things.

A town block is just people I think are town. Johnny and Pers are on that list today, and I'm also coming around on gamr. Not sure why this matters to you, seems like you're just trying to ask questions for questions' sake.

[Lowell]

The townblock right now is Johnny, Garmr and I. :3

I can agree to this.

VOTE: aristo

He's being obnoxiously coy. I'm not sure why.

[Lowell]

It was a big moment for me ginning up the courage to vote ari... and now the wagon's stuck? Bah, someone end this suspense.

[Lowell]

agree with pers, aristo has given up at this point.

[Lowell]

I see a lot of willing hammers and not a lot of hammers.

[Lowell]

prod dodge. I'm out this weekend, sorry.

[Lowell]

I'm liking nos as town. Though I don't understand his unwillingness to vote.

Also I'm willing to vote ric if that's what's happening. Whichever.

[Lowell]

I'll also hammer if needed.

I don't understand droog's objection. Basically he's saying he doesn't like any wagon that isn't derailed by another wagon.... which seems kind of self-defeating.

[Lowell]

I'll be your huckleberry.

VOTE: ricastle

[Lowell]

prod dodge. bad day for me. I'll try to post later if I can.

[Lowell]

prod dodging again. this weekend is bad for me, sorry.

[Lowell]

Still prod dodging until Tuesday. This game needs a more serious read.

Offhand I recall having a pretty strong townread on number, but I don't recall why. Also I recall us nearly stringing up aristo, getting stuck, and then killing some town rube instead. can someone explain why aristo is town again? And yes I also realize the irony that I'm on the wrong side of him again, apparently.

[Lowell]

Caught up. Dwlee is town, and nos likely is too. Though I'd venture that at least one of the volume posters is probably scum.

number and hasta are basically interchangeable to me. One is probably scum, but I find it hard to believe that BOTH are, if for no other reason that it seems impossible they could have run the game this easily.

[Lowell]

Anyway, I still think #1 is a good target and I think Nos is a pretty town for calling him and out and sticking with it. But it pings me to see people -- Lowell, Pers, Ari, Dwlee -- be okay with a vote on *either* me or him, without trying to zone in on one.

Yeah, I mean, I agree with your worry. In my case, anyway, that was just my way of saying I haven't sorted you two in my mind yet. I don't think you're both scum, nor do I think you're particularly "the same", if that's what you're worried about. In my mind, though, I sort of group you together for whatever reason. Clearly others have done the same. Perhaps because you've both been relatively light posters.

[Lowell]

I'm tempted to vote ari just so if we're wrong I can blame garmr tbh.

I was more thinking that if he's right and we don't lynch ari after all his pushes, we're gonna feel pretty stupid. I'm not voting ari because whenever we get him to L-1 no one will hammer. If he gets another vote I'll consider hammering.

VOTE: ari

Okay, pers, let's see what you've got. dwlee and garmr are strong town reads for me, so I'm sheeping.

[Lowell]

Can someone mine garmr's iso to see if he had any useful results?

This game is fucked now, and we're screwed. I hate (presumably) 4 v 3 situations... scum can just toy with us. Yes I'm sure this is scummy to point out or whatever, but I don't care. I'll give some reads on Tuesday when I'm back at work, but offhand I'd agree that Number is probably the pick here. His was the wagon that basically stalled before Ari was lynched. And yes, I didn't vote number and did vote ari... so I admit I'm part of the problem.

[Lowell]

yeah alright. I guess I'm on board. why are you and nos so confident in this, dwlee? frankly this is the least town game I've played in awhile. I've been basically wrong, or worse, useless.

[Lowell]

yeah alright. I guess I'm on board. why are you and nos so confident in this, dwlee? frankly this is the least town game I've played in awhile. I've been basically wrong, or worse, useless.

You seem genuwine

yeah alright. I guess I'm on board. why are you and nos so confident in this, dwlee? frankly this is the least town game I've played in awhile. I've been basically wrong, or worse, useless.

you're pretty confident and you follow through with the intentions of your posts. No weird subterfuge realpolitik business going on in your ISO that I can see.

These both sound like euphemisms for "you're a rube" to me. But whatever.

[Lowell]

I feel like we nearly lynched both number (D2) and droog (D1, right? or is that a different game?), and yet both fizzled out. These, I would say, would be two obvious places to start.

[Lowell]

Not sure what the point is, but fine,

fos number one

[Lowell]

VOTE: number one

I'll do it. I'll take the blame for any endgame scumhammers if it works out that way. I still like dwlee and nos, though, so if they're guiding me astray, well, I'm the rube who let this happen.

[Lowell]

I'm feeling happy about the lack of quickhammer from dwlee or hasta. It's nearly a mathematical certainty now that number is scum.

[Lowell]

Nope, it's the second one. I would be surprised if it's all town on here, but I can say there's at least one.

[Lowell]

I think it's number 1, droog, and pers at this point. I don't know, but hasta is giving me good townvibes.

[Lowell]

Ha, well I wasn't scum... so I guess they had someone else ready to hammer as needed.

So we were pretty well screwed anyway, if it was two town on the wagon.

[Lowell]

I had actually just come back to make a post about how I was sure pers must be scum. But honestly I never would have gotten nos so whatever.

[Lowell]

Heh well okay if nos was town too then we REALLY weren't close.

So was it hasta, pers, and droog then?