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First 5 pages, couple of things to address;
In post 51, TellTaleHeart wrote:
You're trying to be cute and funny with remarks like these and I'm not sure what for. There are a lot of interpretations for it, depending on how cynical you are. My first impression was "scum trying to be cute and funny" but that's just me.
I was also thinking this.
Disagree with the read on Keyser. Didn't understand how you could be town reading him until;
In post 79, OceanWind wrote:
Keyser Soze is a townread because he's pro-active, he's questioning people, moving the game forward. Posts like 25 show a rather transparent thought process and we get a taste of what he's been thinking internally and how he's reacting to game events.
It's uncommon for mafia to fake this level of transparency this early in the game.
And I completely disagree with this. Keyser is not being pro-active, sure he is posting a lot but what are his posts actually achieving? They are all 'could be this, could be that' posts designed to plant seeds in other people's thoughts and allow them to carry out his work for him. Look through his posts in the first 5 pages, he states a lot of things but he always refrains from committing to a read. Keeps all his reads in limbo so he can change them as and when he needs to.
Is he transparent? Again, sure he is. But what is he achieving? He isn't pushing anything, he isn't stating scum reads, he isn't stating people he would like to see lynched for x, y and z reasons. He is simply throwing out a lot of thoughts and seeing what sticks.
In post 108, Keyser Söze wrote:
My vote is still on BlueBloodedToffee - it has evolved into a serious vote as his contributions so far are 'unsatisfying' - he's usually a player who makes things happen - not sit back.
I was going to say I'm surprised that your vote is still on me despite what's happening in game but then I remembered you would love to lynch me if you were scum.
Me being your biggest scum read at this point of the game is pretty poor by anyone's standards. You're also reading me as if you have never seen me inactive/behind as town - would this be a true reflection of your thoughts?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Read up to page 10 - this game is a joke.
In post 184, Keyser Söze wrote:
Plus, you haven't been sheeping, you've been scavenging on scraps - but I don't think that behaviour is alignment indicative.
If you don't think it's alignment indicative then why are you making a big song and dance about it? Why does it even need to be stated?
In post 222, Masquerade wrote:
VOTE: Kain
Time to post content.
@BBT: Hope you're ready to post soon.
I hate alts.
In post 223, Keyser Söze wrote:snip
This was a very long post to say fuck all. Don't you have somewhere you can keep notes like this so you don't have to clutter the thread? There is, of course, other motivations for doing what you do. Wanna hazard a guess at them?
In post 225, Slandaar wrote:I don't feel your thoughts on Kain are worth discussing Keyser.. If you ignore, as you should, what should be playstyle related things you can then look at actual alignment indicative things ie my argument (perhaps TTH's argument(s)? -I didn't read that post)It's just a lot of waffle
Ding, ding, ding!
In post 242, Keyser Söze wrote:Yup, I'm back to null on KainTepes. That OMGUS on Aquanim has left me speechless.
UNVOTE: KainTepes
Another null read? Do you have a single read you can commit to that isn't null, null/town, null/scum, null/lean town, null/lean scum???Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 269, TellTaleHeart wrote:
From the few data points out there, I think Oceanwind is more likely town than not because of Post 79. I can't say I agree with the Keyser townread, but the mn town read looks good and hit's the sweet spot in efficacy.
Only read I disagreed with in this entire post, good stuff TTH!
Ocean is probably scum though.
In post 299, KainTepes wrote:
BBT IF YOU ARE TOWN YOU NEED TO POST.....I KNOW YOU ARE A GOOD PLAYERBUT IF YOU KEEP DODGING YOUR PRODS THEN YOU HAVE TO LEAVE
You do? Another alt? We have never played together...
In post 339, Masquerade wrote:@modand players: I'm going to replace out. Too many distracting factors in this game. GL.
I feel this completely. This game is full of so much shit, I know I shouldn't, but I'm reading that replace out as town.
In post 354, massive wrote:I'm reading and keeping up, just that all the playacting is getting on my nerves a bit.
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In post 409, GuyFawkes wrote:I think it's more likely scum is pushing his lynch
Disagree, should Kain be town he is obvious lynch bait. Scum don't even need to entertain this wagon, they can let town do the pushing for them.
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I mean, we're on page 18 and we haven't had a single serious wagon form? That's appalling.
I'd be looking for a lynch in the next 4 pages. There is far too much shit in this game and it's drowning out anything that is useful.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 459, Golden Robster wrote:Anybody want to get an Oceanwind wagon going?
I could do this. After Keyser though.
In post 464, TellTaleHeart wrote:I think itistrue that any impact he could be having is getting diluted in massive volume, and that's what I was talking about earlier in post 269. But I'm still unsure if that's his intent or he just likes hearing himself talk.
OK, but that's not my problem with what he is doing.
Could easily be a bus. We also both know his vote doesn't stick for more than 3 posts.
In post 474, Aquanim wrote:
That being said, you played against scum-Keyser in Mini Normal 1719 - my feel-read of that game is that he was a lot less assertive about his opinions as compared to Mini 1744 where I saw him as town, and this game is feeling more like the latter than the former to me. You played in the first game so you might have a different perspective; if so I'd like to hear it.
Is this you saying that you think Keyser has been assertive with his opinion this game? If so, show me some examples.
In post 481, Boonskiies wrote:I'm so jazzed.
It's BBT!! Long time no see!
Golden Rob and mn were pinging my scumdar pretty hard. Like...ahh...I can handle mn's playstyle and attitude, but the way he reacts and brings up Golden Rob's slot seems like buddy to me.
On a side note of that, holy Keyscum Soze.
I'm liking TTH; I'm happy to town read her.
Boonie!!!!
Talk about MN and GR some more. Also, what makes you think Keyser is scum?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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I always read bits and pieces as the game plays out but I obviously reread during my catch up. I don't follow the game closely until I'm actually in the process of contributing.
I don't see Keyser being assertive at all and the fact he went back to a null read should tell you something. Effort is not indicative alignment, look at his content. It's poor.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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It shows 'effort' in an attempt to make reads. It shows a pro-active attitude. It shows an attempt to scum hunt.
But this all falls flat on it's face when it always ends with a null read and a serious lack of committment and conviction.
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Firstly, you're assuming all scum think everything through that they do; this isn't the case.
Secondly, I just gave you multiple reasons for why scum!Keyser might do what he did. There is also the point that he wanted to push the wagon along to ensure Kain was lynched; he cannot achieve this if he doesn't cast his vote. This allows him to present all his scum points on Kain for everyone to see. Then he can backtrack but his reasons always remain in the thread for other people to think about/use. He's planting seeds of doubt and letting town do the leg work for him.
If Kain got lynched right now, who would you say is the primary pusher of the wagon? Who would shoulder the most responsibilty for the lynch? It certainly isn't Keyser but he has contributed a hell of a lot to lynch a person he doesn't have a read on.
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The only reason I am saying it is because if Kain is scum, he will be easy to catch.
I want to catch the people who are much more likely to slip through the net. Like Keyser.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Yeah, it's that he is throwing lots of ideas around about why 'X' could be scum then he nullifies it in his next sentence to exclude himself from pushing/being a part of a wagon. But it's the point of leaving those thoughts out there for other people to pick up and run with.
There is also the lack of any sort of commitment/conviction to a read and we're on page 22. That's also pretty appalling, no?
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In post 540, TellTaleHeart wrote:With townreads on Slandaar, Aquanim, and maybe Golden Robster I'm still hunting out of areallybig pool. And it's page 22.
Talk to me about GR being town.
In post 551, Keyser Söze wrote:
BlueBloodedToffee's false-pressure on OceanWind's slot makes me want to revisit that slot too.
What?
In post 623, TellTaleHeart wrote:I'm actually kind of with Ircher in thinking BBT might be scum.
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In post 626, TellTaleHeart wrote:Pretty similar. The case on Keyser just isn't that great. The fact that he's frustrating me on Kain is also concerning me.
Are you saying town don't present bad cases TTH? I mean, I don't even feel my case on Keyser is bad, I think it's pretty valid.
In post 642, Aquanim wrote:
@everyone: If you don't think Kain is scum, I want to know what in the above you disagree with.
He has claimed PR and should be left alone for the time being.
In post 643, Keyser Söze wrote:
BlueBloodedToffee is also in my uncomfortable pile:
- blind/empty wagon driving
- pushing non-alignment indicative behaviour as scummy
- opportunistic play
- possible buddying attempt
TL:DR
BlueBloodedToffee has spent nearly all his time tunneling me (anti-town/scummy) presenting no alignment indicative argument. He has discredited my contributions so far, and is actively pushing only my wagon, instead of trying to figure out who is town, who is scum. I do not feel like BlueBloodedToffee is concerned in engaging me - his only concern (based on his miss-reps, discredits, leeching onto other's reads/thoughts on me, loud/empty wagon pushing and non-alignment indicative argument) is to get me miss-lynched. Take away his his tunnel on me, and his ISO is hollow. I cannot see BlueBloodedToffee's town-motivation in his D1 play so far.
VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee
You know what I hate? When I start thinking a player could be town and I see bullshit like this. Like, really? Before I respond, I want you to know that I didn't even click your spoiler. If you have a point to make, make it concisely.
- I have provided a valid case on you - so 'blind wagon driving' is a lie.
- Is it non-alignment indicative behaviour because you say so? Because I say it is alignment indicative. Now what?
- How have I been opportunistic?
- Who am I buddying?
If I believe you are scum, how exactly is me focusing my energy on getting you lynched scummy? Are you suggesting I have not interacted/gained reads on other players? Because if so, once again, you're lying.
Discredited your contributions? I genuinely laughed out loud when I read this, you haven't contributed anything substantial. It's all empty fluff, planting seeds, looking busy.
I disagree that my ISO is hollow if you take out my case on you.
In post 644, Thor665 wrote:I will go over some posts in more detail in a little bit, as I have to chauffer my girlfriend to work.
I wanted to get out there though that BBT came across as a strong townread this page.
I realise you're talking about Boon here. Talk to me about Boon being town please.
In post 648, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 601, Thor665 wrote:Feels empty to me as a slot.
This does not say anything. Instead of saying everything I write is empty, please state which points you agree or disagree with.
Nobody has to disagree/agree with anything you say - you do it enough yourself. You could have a full conversation with yourself you're so indecisive.
The amount of 'could be this, could be that' posts you make is astounding.
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671 - Fuckkkkkkkk, this looks so town. This reminds me so much of how I first felt about Thor when I started playing with him.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 678, TellTaleHeart wrote:VOTE: BBT
Here, I guess I should do this. If we run up Kain he's just going to claim an investigative and everyone will unvote because he's so "obviously" town. Meanwhile we can make a pretty-looking case on someone who's not particularly likely to flip scum and smell our own farts about how much we "pressure" our scumreads.
In post 683, Keyser Söze wrote:Deadline: 4 days, 20 hours, 12 minutes. Plenty of time. No fucking early roleclaims.
Can someone present a logical argument (without insults or non-alignment indicative factors) showing how/why BlueBloodedToffee is town. Basically, if he is town, I want to stop wasting my time attacking his tunnel on me, and move on.
Moreover, does anyone null/scum read Aquanim (who I currently town read)? Then we can put that to bed for now too.
What do you think about Guy Boon?
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In post 683, Keyser Söze wrote:
Can someone present a logical argument (without insults or non-alignment indicative factors) showing how/why BlueBloodedToffee is town. Basically, if he is town, I want to stop wasting my time attacking his tunnel on me, and move on.
Sure, BBT is obvtown. Just look at his posting.
TTH, what are you doing in this game?
In post 705, Keyser Söze wrote:Does anyone else want to try and sell me BBT is NULL? Or BBT is TOWN? Give me quotes and simple words.
Why are you so desperate for someone to CHANGE your scum read?
In post 730, Ircher wrote:
Ok, my inquiry on Massive is done. I'm getting town vibes there. I think I can upgrade TTH to a townlean and pops is still neutral/scum. I am reconsidering my stance on Thor as Thor vs. Keyser may be TvT (such fights have a habit of being that)
With that said, I still scumread BBT.
VOTE: BBT
OK, why are you scum reading me? I haven't read any of your spoilers. Too much.
Talk about how you got town vibes from massive as well.
In post 741, Boonskiies wrote:Also, this is Town BBT....he's just not active. Like holy fuck.
Oh dear Boon; why are you trying to read me D1? How am I obv town?
In post 746, Aquanim wrote:BlueBloodedToffee has at no point expressed "multiple comments about multiple players".
The few comments BBT has made about players who aren't Keyser don't convince me that he's thinking seriously about determining alignments either; there's a few things about Kain which are non-committal as to Kain's alignment, an unexplained scumread on Ocean, a townread on the Masquerade slot solely based on its replacing out, and an unexplained townread on me. That's it.
I think you're town so I'm just quoting this to amuse myself.
'BBT has made 0 reads/given 0 opinions on any other player except Keyser...well except for the reads/opinions he gave on A, B, C and D. Other than that? Nothing.'
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In post 791, Ircher wrote:On purposely not reading the thread. So, apparently, I'm scum cuz of my predecessor & not only have you not, but you are also unwilling to review my posts cuz I'm scum? That's a logically fallancy actually. Quite frankly, I think we should lynch BBT for stating this, there is ZERO town motive behind this post.
Purposely not reading the thread...what are you talking about?
I am unwilling to review your posts...what are you talking about?
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In post 835, Keyser Söze wrote:
You need to convince us you're town and not scum. That's the game, otherwise our votes will stay on you. There are 3 votes on you. Tell us where those 3 votes should be instead. Just make sure you do this "talking" before the weekend.
I don't care if your votes stay on me, I'm not getting lynched Today. There are much better options and I'm obvtowning the shit out of this game.
You're very likely to be scum. Ircher and Aqua are probably town, so meh, I'll wait for them to see the error in their ways and we can all move on.
In post 853, Thor665 wrote:
He's posting only theory and gross proof of not reading anything.
I am of the opposite read from you there.
Yeah, I'm back on the Keyser is scum train. I was only skim-reading the game prior to tonight.
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I'm caught up.
I'd lynch any of Keyser, Guy, Boon Today. Maybe Titus or massive but that would be compromise only.
First 3 are all scum reads.
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BlueBloodedToffee Survivor
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BlueBloodedToffee Survivor
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