Mini 1769: Ice Cream Mafia - Game over!

[Aquanim]

And so did I, but I was beginning to doubt myself that she was scum.
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Why did you put Titus to L-1?

[Ircher]

Wait... should we be voting Boonskies today?


Theoretically, if Boonskies is not scum, his gambit should have worked. Someone scum who actually targeted the N1 victim should have fessed up and gone for the head-to-head.

Why didn't his gambit work? If a scum refused to take ownership of visiting the victim and Boonskies announced which person did visit the victim, but didn't take ownership, they just die without getting the head to head, which is strictly worse when Boonskies said he had two names.

Furthermore, X-shot vig double targetting the night's actual victim is a really sketchy, convenient claim.

Occam's razor, Boonskies is a scum-aligned tracker that saw Thor visit the dead player, then had a crazy idea. He started with a watcher claim on the night's victim, which is safe if he was tracked, then switched to a vig claim on the night's victim, which is ALSO safe if he was tracked. He was hoping 2 players visited the dead player.

Despite BBT avoiding my question, BBT is NOT on the top of my lynch list.

No, rather, Pops is.

What I want Pops to explain is how this above explanation was Occam's Razor.

Imo, (and indeed it was), Occam's razor is simply Boon took a risky gambit, scum saw it ahead of time (though there's a clue -- BBT understood it), and another Townie happened to visit the same player.

The above explanation seems no simpler than what the truth was.

[Ircher]

And so did I, but I was beginning to doubt myself that she was scum.
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Why did you put Titus to L-1?

Fair enough.

Not my top pick, but I was feeling somewhat lazy.

1) I would've preferred a Pops or a Massive lynch. That wasn't going to happen, as it was quite obvious that it was either me or Titus who was getting lynched. So, I settled for third best since there's three scum.

2) Too lazy to make an actual case against Massive or Pops not to mention how difficult that would be as they both have very few posts.

3. Didn't expect BBT to come out and quickhammer Titus.

[Ircher]

So are you saying there aren't any significant differences you see from the last game you played with Ircher, in which he was town?

You're not going to get me to say "This is Ircher's towngame." Because, if it is, it's shitty, and it needs to be corrected. Your job as town is to BE TOWN and not do scummy stuff in the hopes of building your own meta up.

And also this

A person who has a tendency to do scummy stuff (as town) that gives them mislynched should mean that players should be more cautious in scumreading them. Yet, you imply that the opposite should be expected. Why? What's the point of having a meta if you ignore it / are held to an illogical standard that is the opposite of your meta?

is horseshit. If you are getting consistently mislynched as town THEN FIX. YOUR. GAME. This is not "Oh well I can't help that I do scummy stuff, you should know I always do when I'm town" because YOUR JOB as town is to make so I don't have to think "is he town and just bad or is he scum?" YOUR JOB is to be the paragon of towniness. So if you are town GET RIGHT.

But you're not. Of course your defense of Keyser was genuine -- you know his alignment, so it's easy to be genuine. You already admit to misrepping me (including saying I townread Titus, when the quoted bit merely says I don't understand the case on Titus, primarily because there isn't one). My posts during D2 should show, if NOTHING ELSE, that I am trying to sort Thor, so saying "I made no comment on Thor D2" is flat-out a lie.

And your criticism that I need to focus elsewhere because "there are three scum" is ludicrous. I caught one. I can look at associatives after we lynch you. I don't need to hunt a whole pack at once.

I noted I might be slightly misrepping you since you have a very sparse ISO, I didn't remember the facts exactly (cuz your name barely appeared), and I was too lazy to verify what I said.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because I thought she was scum and wanted her lynched.

You're making an awful big deal out of this after you're the one who put her to L-1.

[Ircher]

Because I thought she was scum and wanted her lynched.

You're making an awful big deal out of this after you're the one who put her to L-1.

I'm not the one who quickhammered: What don't you understand about quickhammering is anti-town.

Furthermore, I just explained why I put Titus at L-1 and quite frankly, those are better reasons than you have decided to share.

{BBT, Massive, Pops} is our scum team. We should lynch Pops first though.

[Ircher]

And quite frankly, putting someone at L-1 and bolding the fact that it is L-1 is not quite as scummy as just coming in and quickhammering without explanation.

[Ircher]

@Kein - What were your results last night?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Keyser/Ircher/massive scum team?

I'm pretty sure both of the first two are scum, less sure on the third one.

Like Aquanim for town, if he is scum he has played pretty well IMO. I think I like Pops for town as well? Though I admit I haven't reevaluated him for some time.

Either way, the above three are my lynch pool for today with a big preference for one of the first two.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Ircher replaced my original scum read slot as well (Ocean). I really wish I had paid more attention to this game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Aquanim, talk to me about where you're at.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Alright, sorry if I'm wrong but I don't see how Keyser can be town.

VOTE: Keyser

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No, you know what. I'm going to be patient and wait for some other people to post.

My LyLo vote is reserved for Keyser though.

UNVOTE:

[Keyser Söze]

Alright, sorry if I'm wrong but I don't see how Keyser can be town.

VOTE: Keyser

VOTE: massive

Are you A) not interested in what the cop has to say? B) know he's already blocked?

Your play has been scummy.
Your decisions have been scummy.
The only thing saving you today will be an innocent from KT.
If anyone town reads BBT, let's hear it now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Oh really?

I'm suddenly scummy now? Walk me through that 180 would you?

Kain has clearly been blocked; look at the power town has. Scum must have a roleblocker so I'm not particularly interested in that. That, of course, is on the basis that Kain's claim is real which I don't even know about.

But yeah, walk me through your read on me would you?

[KainTepes]

HELLO,,,, I CHECKED BBT LAST NIGHT,, AND THERE WAS AGAIN "No Result",,

I kind of feel like I am a useless power, it is kind of DISAPPOINTING

[BlueBloodedToffee]

As was obvious.

Keyser trying to spin that into a scummy narrative on me was awful as well.

Just waiting to hear from Aqua and then I'm ready to vote.

[KainTepes]

why do i keep getting No Result?? it is making me feel a bit of a sinking feeling.......

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because scum have a role blocker.

They role block your action and your actions fails as a result of this.

How are you not understanding what is happening?

[KainTepes]

i know now that there is a ROLEBLOCKER because people explained,, what I DONT understand is why they always roleblock ME??

[KainTepes]

it is SADDENING, because so far in my games I have lost all of them because I cannot find SCUM........ and now I finally have the power to find scum and still my results are empty.....

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I would say you're being role blocked so your claim comes under scrutiny as you're probably the easiest lynch of the PRs if you really are a cop.

Now, what do you think about Keyser?

[KainTepes]

if they are scared of me because I an FIGURE OUT THEIR identity then why dont just kill me?? it is weird......

I thought KEYSER and TELL TALE HEART WERE SCUM TOGETHER,, but now that TTH is dead and not scum,, i am not confident about Keyser anymore....... I want to look more at AQUANIM

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What makes you think Aquanim is scum?

They are not scared of you - they can roleblock you so you're no threat. Once we lynch their roleblocker, I guarantee you that you die the very next night. Plus, they had other PRs to take care of first.

[KainTepes]

Aquanim and KEyser were both very opportunitistic Day 1,, but I felt KEYSER and TTH must be scum together for it to work,, and TTH is not scum... so I was looking more at Aquanim..... I believe now that she is not Godfather,, but it is still strange her actions.

But anyway, the wagon of which Titus was HAMMERED,, must have scum within,,

that makes me suspect keyser more,, but also POPS